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Quote from: Davian144 on July 26, 2022, 05:22:34 AM

Paolo Ciabatti of Ducati revealed that they would not have 8 Ducati bikes forever in MotoGP and also said they would lose some young players. I think it's actually a very interesting thing because it can provide a good opportunity for other manufacturers' teams if the owners of independent teams start looking at several other manufacturers besides Ducati. As in the example of the RNF Racing team that moved from Yamaha to Aprilia next year.

Source: https://www.gpone.com/it/2022/07/25/motogp/ciabatti-non-avremo-8-ducati-in-motogp-per-sempre-perderemo-dei-giovani.html?refresh_ce

The still ambiguous leveling, I don't know when he will reduce the bike in the race. With 8 bikes actually Ducati has a great chance of winning the constructors. But I also haven't figured out what the reason they will reduce the number of bikes in the race. It should be that 8 bikes are quite suitable and have been allowed by Dorna. In addition Suzuki has also resigned, meaning ducati has a fixed chance with 8 bikes and riders.

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I agree with Ferrari this time,they did the best choice for Sainz,sure he would have been second as he would have passed also Hamilton with the pace he had but I am sure he would have had a puncture if he kept racing at that pace or if he would not get the pace the tire would degrade surely in the last 10 laps and everybody else would have surpassed him again.So Ferrari did for once the right call with Sainz,they even got the fastest lap of the race.

Leclerc made the mistake exactly where he needed the most not to do it,now Verstappen 62 points ahead and when Leclerc loses Verstappen extend the gap with minimum of 15-25 points,when Verstappen loses Leclerc closes the distance by just 6-12 points and this says a lot for the title fight.I agree that in 10 races is almost impossible to close the gap by 62 points unless bad things happen to Verstappen.

Ferrari may have the most performant car right now but Max is more solid at the moment.

Keep also in mind Max is already in his 8th year in F1, even if he is so young he is still experienced, the rookie Max was the more exciting driver but too reckless.

Another advantage in the second part of the season, Ferrari already got a penalty so they have some free parts for the cars, while if Redbull will need more they will take a penalty.

So you think the Ferraris will be faster and the cars more reliable in Hungary? At first glance, I think the books will over adjust and line Verstappen a lot wider than they used to giving some value for betting on Leclerc. But what do you think?

And I wonder what happened to the Haas. Just when I thought they're going to be regulars at the midtable, they have a bad race. Mick Schumacher near the bottom and Magnussen didn't finish. Lol. Fishy...

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Pilot error, stamina issues and poor strategy decisions resulted in Leclerc losing key points in five races. Leclerc is also in second place in the championship due to significant points losses. He started the race from pole at the Paul Ricard Circuit, Leclerc's second home. Leclerc had the pace to win this race. But a mistake on the eighteenth lap caused Leclerc to crash. Leclerc said the accident was caused by the accelerator pedal, but Ferrari denied it. He later admitted his accident. The Ferrari team had to overhaul the tires due to the increasing heat in this race. In order to relieve the load on the front tires, it made the rear more prone to slipping. For this reason, the rear side was more prone to wear. As a result, the accident was inevitable. I think they should think about it being Ferrari's fault here.

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Paolo Ciabatti of Ducati revealed that they would not have 8 Ducati bikes forever in MotoGP and also said they would lose some young players. I think it's actually a very interesting thing because it can provide a good opportunity for other manufacturers' teams if the owners of independent teams start looking at several other manufacturers besides Ducati. As in the example of the RNF Racing team that moved from Yamaha to Aprilia next year.

Source: https://www.gpone.com/it/2022/07/25/motogp/ciabatti-non-avremo-8-ducati-in-motogp-per-sempre-perderemo-dei-giovani.html?refresh_ce

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The race was really horrible for Ferrari. Leclerc's unfortunate crash made him very frustrated. He was very angry for some time after the incident. These things exist in Formula 1 I'm afraid as everything can change by only one lap. However Ferrari were at fault as well. The reason is that they still can't give a proper-working car for Leclerc and Sainz both. After scary events in the Austria GP this time Leclerc was out of the race. Sainz also had a bad race because of a bad pit and unsafe release.

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Max is definitely the champion after this race, there wasn't a doubt in my mind but there were some in some people, but everyone should agree after such a day. In the end we are talking about Ferrari as a competition and we all know Ferrari is a shitty team these days. They have been like this for a long time.

Charles didn't crash because of any team mistakes I think, but at the end of the day he is still not at fault neither, it is just racing and sometimes this happens. So, we could end up focusing on the next races. Red Bull and Max will be the winners, but just because we know the winner doesn't mean we can't watch the season. Lewis won so many and with ease, but we still watched right?

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The Italians, yes, may have created a world brand in vehicle construction and aesthetics, but a team that brings such a big brand down in human management and team management does not really suit. If you're racing with a Ferrari car, you can't make people ask 'oh boy.. what will happen this time', it's very clear!! When the driver is good, the car is bad. When the car is good, the driver is bad. But the worst part comes from the team captain. They say to lecrec, who makes 20 laps, take more laps and open the distance. He tells Sainz, who has done 20 laps, to pit quickly.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on July 25, 2022, 02:58:56 AM

After the good teamwork in qualifying that brought Leclerc pole position, he not only shits away the race but probably also the world championship due to a stupid mistake. 63 points are now a lot and Leclerc could even be overtaken by Perez.

I completely agree that Leclerc cannot hold pressure very well as we have seen that in Imola and at yesterday race in France.Most likely it was a costly mistake but Ferrari looked yesterday like the most performing car compared to Redbull and Mercedes so there is still some little hope left.

As for Perez he was sleeping yesterday during the whole race,he was not with his mind and not at all concentrated in the race,he was even passed like a complete noob/rookie from George Russell.By such performance I wonder why he should continue to have a place at Redbull.

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After the good teamwork in qualifying that brought Leclerc pole position, he not only shits away the race but probably also the world championship due to a stupid mistake. 63 points are now a lot and Leclerc could even be overtaken by Perez.

Reminds me a little of Vettel at Hockenheim.

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It was another disappointing race for Ferrari. Leclerc crashed into the wall after losing the control of the car and couldn't return to the race after that. Throttle was his biggest enemy once again. If he was able to return then maybe the race would have ended much different. Verstappen was too comfortable after this incident and won the race easily. Now there is a huge gap of 63 points between them. The time is running out slowly for Leclerc to catch up with Verstappen. From now on he really needs to be very lucky.

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Honestly, mercedes did have a double podium, BUT that was mainly because ferrari was out. Charles was out proper, but Sainz nearly got the podium but he had to serve his penalty and thats why his race result was purely gone, this is why I am not shocked about the mercedes podium. We all said that it was obvious from the get go that mercedes was the third best team, and thats not shocking result, hence why I believe that we shouldn't really believe that we couldn't really claim anything shocking with a podium for them when ferrari is out. They could have even finished first, eventually will, when all other options are having trouble.

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This was a smart decision for a single driver, but not as a team. Basically what Ferrari achieved was getting the pole position and if Leclerc doesn't start very well on this race, they will be left behind and they would not get something great result, it's a whole race and anything could happen, getting that pole is a big deal but not the whole thing, on the other hand we have seen Red Bull not reply in kind, and didn't do any tow, but they got 2-3 and that's good enough, it means that they will get a better total as a team. Which one is more important?

I wouldn't know, I guess that Max is ahead enough that he could finish second and would be fine as long as Perez finishes third because Sainz is nowhere to be found.

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Ferrari forces drivers to make mistakes; They make so many mistakes during the season that the pilot has to deal with more pressure than he should and the result is frustration. We saw it in Alonso, we saw it in Massada, we saw it in Vettel and the new victim is Leclerc. To be successful at Ferrari, you have to be reckless and maverick like Kimi. I think it is the most inexplicable event in f1 history that Alonso and Vettel did not become champions in Ferrari. By the way leclerc is a fine driver but is it enough to be a champion?? There is speed, there is defense and he can control the race by himself, so the problem is not caused by him. Also, seb and alonso made mistakes many times, but there is no team to cover up the mistakes.

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Ferrari are really such a failure this season. They are still unable to solve the problems of their car and they are still making bad decisions in the race. Leclerc stated that he made a mistake in that turn maybe but he couldn't come back to the race because of a throttle issue. This issue repeated itself after the same happened in the Austria GP. I really don't understand how Ferrari can be this much bad when they actually have the best car in the grid. Now the gap between Leclerc and Verstappen is way open like 63 points.

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Seems that Ferrari is biggest enemy for themselves. Something always should go wrong for them. Either their strategy fails, either it's reliability issues or driver mistake like this time. And inviting Sainz to pit when is literally fighting for postion - c'mon seriously? Then mistake for unsafe release... I'm not going to question his 2nd pit stop, maybe Ferrari decided better safe than sorry.
Russel complaining about Perez when it was fault of Russel that Checo left track. Offcourse, Perez wasn't better when in final laps he was complaining about Russel leaving track. But that when Russel caught Perez not ready for the end of VSC was nice.
And for me moment of race was Stroll telling to team to leave him alone in Raikkonen's voice Cheesy

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Verstappen has achieved a very important victory. I thought Leclerc seemed to have very good chances of winning at first, but when he crashed it was all over. Not only does Verstappen now have a lot of points again, but because Leclerc does not have a single point, Verstappen is quite out. Verstappen took another big step towards the championship today. At Mercedes they were also very happy I think.

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The penalties are cumulative.

The 1st time you unlock a new engine it is 10 position penalty but the second time it is only five.

I don't know what will happen after and why the second time is a small punishment.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on July 24, 2022, 01:27:50 PM

Quote from: swogerino on July 24, 2022, 10:54:17 AM

I agree with Ferrari this time,they did the best choice for Sainz,sure he would have been second as he would have passed also Hamilton with the pace he had but I am sure he would have had a puncture if he kept racing at that pace or if he would not get the pace the tire would degrade surely in the last 10 laps and everybody else would have surpassed him again.So Ferrari did for once the right call with Sainz,they even got the fastest lap of the race.

Leclerc made the mistake exactly where he needed the most not to do it,now Verstappen 62 points ahead and when Leclerc loses Verstappen extend the gap with minimum of 15-25 points,when Verstappen loses Leclerc closes the distance by just 6-12 points and this says a lot for the title fight.I agree that in 10 races is almost impossible to close the gap by 62 points unless bad things happen to Verstappen.

Ferrari may have the most performant car right now but Max is more solid at the moment.

Keep also in mind Max is already in his 8th year in F1, even if he is so young he is still experienced, the rookie Max was the more exciting driver but too reckless.

Another advantage in the second part of the season, Ferrari already got a penalty so they have some free parts for the cars, while if Redbull will need more they will take a penalty.

I agree that Ferrari has the most performing car but only in tracks like this one where a lot of turns makes up the track.I am pretty sure that Ferrari will struggle at tracks like Monza despite them showing today that brilliant 344 Km/h from Carlos Sainz.Redbull has a better top speed in the race so far and it would be nice for this to change in the upcoming remaining tracks except Hungary which we know it is a low speed track,this would give Ferrari equal ability to fight for the title although it looks really difficult after today race.

A penalty may result decisive for the title fight but only if the gap is closed.

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Quote from: swogerino on July 24, 2022, 10:54:17 AM

I agree with Ferrari this time,they did the best choice for Sainz,sure he would have been second as he would have passed also Hamilton with the pace he had but I am sure he would have had a puncture if he kept racing at that pace or if he would not get the pace the tire would degrade surely in the last 10 laps and everybody else would have surpassed him again.So Ferrari did for once the right call with Sainz,they even got the fastest lap of the race.

Leclerc made the mistake exactly where he needed the most not to do it,now Verstappen 62 points ahead and when Leclerc loses Verstappen extend the gap with minimum of 15-25 points,when Verstappen loses Leclerc closes the distance by just 6-12 points and this says a lot for the title fight.I agree that in 10 races is almost impossible to close the gap by 62 points unless bad things happen to Verstappen.

Ferrari may have the most performant car right now but Max is more solid at the moment.

Keep also in mind Max is already in his 8th year in F1, even if he is so young he is still experienced, the rookie Max was the more exciting driver but too reckless.

Another advantage in the second part of the season, Ferrari already got a penalty so they have some free parts for the cars, while if Redbull will need more they will take a penalty.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on July 24, 2022, 10:44:13 AM

Solid race from Sainz and a dumb mistake from Lecler, today Max probably won the title.

About the pit stop, was for safety.

In other words, if they didn't make a pitstop and the tires exploded what would you have said?

I agree with Ferrari this time,they did the best choice for Sainz,sure he would have been second as he would have passed also Hamilton with the pace he had but I am sure he would have had a puncture if he kept racing at that pace or if he would not get the pace the tire would degrade surely in the last 10 laps and everybody else would have surpassed him again.So Ferrari did for once the right call with Sainz,they even got the fastest lap of the race.

Leclerc made the mistake exactly where he needed the most not to do it,now Verstappen 62 points ahead and when Leclerc loses Verstappen extend the gap with minimum of 15-25 points,when Verstappen loses Leclerc closes the distance by just 6-12 points and this says a lot for the title fight.I agree that in 10 races is almost impossible to close the gap by 62 points unless bad things happen to Verstappen.

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