I know it's a touchy subject to talk about first and second drivers when they should all be treated equally.
But, thinking about it, will Stroll be Aston Martin's main driver or are they thinking of hiring some heavyweight driver to take over the leadership of the team?
My opinion is that Nico Hülkenberg is the chosen one, as he is the reserve driver for Aston Martin and replaced Vettel at the beginning of the season, when the four-time champion was diagnosed with Covid-19.
But... F1 always has a lot of surprises and can impress us again at any time
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July 28, 2022, 06:47:10 PM
July 28, 2022, 05:59:11 PM
I think there are two possible scenarios for the rest of the season for Vettel now. Either he is going to race all the remainder of races and going to "try" (has a terrible car) the best he can, and do wild stuff only Vettel can do. Or he is going to take it easy and even "miss" a few races here and there to let some younger guy get some experience for next season. I am sure Aston Martin already knows who will replace Vettel, so why not try to give that racer some more experience this year in 2-3 races to see what happens. Sort of like what happened with Russell so far, he raced with Mercedes a few times before he got there.
July 28, 2022, 05:55:00 PM
Vettel retired - I think we all saw this coming. He is legend - 4 times World Champion after all and great personality. But few recent seasons were decline. Interesting what he will do now.
And damn, times flies so fast. I still remember his debut race in 2007 when he replaced Kubic like it was yesterday. His first win with Toro Rosso and dominace in Red Bull were like few years ago...
And damn, times flies so fast. I still remember his debut race in 2007 when he replaced Kubic like it was yesterday. His first win with Toro Rosso and dominace in Red Bull were like few years ago...
Was he strong or did he only get lucky to be in the right spot at the right time with RBR?
I think both.I think I have never seen rain in the Hungarian GP
There was few wet Hungarian GP's, but quite long time ago. I think that most recent was in 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crEjfg7I5ps July 28, 2022, 03:45:34 PM
We are in another race week now right before the summer break. This race is going to be very important mentally for Verstappen and Leclerc both. Because in case one of them captures a significant advantage against the other, that driver is going to have a more satisfying ending in the first half of the season. Leclerc desperately needs to win the Hungarian GP this weekend. After that very unfortunate crash the gap with Verstappen has been opened too much. He needs to win as many races as possible to still have a chance for the championship.
While I agree with you from the past races we have seen there is no real big difference between the cars as even Ocon with Alpine has won this race with the right circumstances that favored him a couple of years ago.This means that the upcoming race will be a fierce full battle and most probably if only one of the two drivers have a reliability or some other problem can make the other one to get a significant advantage over the other,mostly Leclerc should win this race otherwise if Verstappen wins this I think the title war ends here. Vettel has been bad this year for example, it has been a terrible season for them but he is one of the best there ever was, and even with that in mind he could win this race, it is such a know and obvious answer. All in all I believe that we are going to watch one of the most closest races ever.
July 28, 2022, 03:44:14 PM
I think Vettel has found it beautiful enough. Moreover, he is no longer so good that he can ride for a really top team. And someone like Vettel wants to compete at the highest level, so you want to participate in the battle for the world championship. That is impossible with his current team and if you want to become world champion you have to drive for Ferrari, Red Bull or optionally Mercedes. I don't think he wants to act as an extra in F1 anymore. He has had a pretty impressive career.
July 28, 2022, 02:52:39 PM
Sebastian Vettel is leaving Formula 1 after Season 2022 
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/vettel-announces-retirement-from-f1-after-2022-season/10344454/
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/vettel-announces-retirement-from-f1-after-2022-season/10344454/
I also saw that news today and i was really surprised that he is already leaving the formula 1 after this season. I mean he is "only" 35 years old and even though you need to be fit to be a formula 1 driver you can still be at your absolute top level with 40 years. Fernando Alonso is proving that all the time. So Vettel could have at least 5 or 6 more years in the formula 1 if he wanted to. I watched his announcement video and it seems to me that he is just not really that motivated anymore to be a formula 1 driver because it just takes away way to much time from his personal live and it seems like now he just wants to see his kids grow up.
July 28, 2022, 01:52:36 PM
Bye to Vettel. He has always been a good guy!
Was he strong or did he only get lucky to be in the right spot at the right time with RBR?
With Ferrari, he couldn't make the difference against Leclerc.
Was he strong or did he only get lucky to be in the right spot at the right time with RBR?
With Ferrari, he couldn't make the difference against Leclerc.
July 28, 2022, 11:38:26 AM
Vettel will retire at the end of the season. Actually, his age allowed him to compete for a few more seasons, but he made such a decision. We only have to respect. He wanted to spend more time with his family. Again, he was getting good results with Aston Martin's slow car. If he had a good car under him, he would still compete for the championship. We wish him success in his next life. Formula 1 is losing a star.
July 28, 2022, 08:59:46 AM
^ Yup, I just heard too. Sad. I would've love to see him race for a couple more seasons.
And Aston Martin, called Force India years ago, just got worse since Lawrence Stroll came in and bought the team.
Blame climate change. Lol. But I don't mind races at wet tracks as much as I did before tbh.
Here's the time schedule for the Hungarian GP.
2022 F1 Hungarian GP Time Schedule
July 29: Practice 1, 14:00 - 15:00
July 29: Practice 2, 17:00 - 18:00
July 30: Practice 3, 13:00 - 14:00
July 30: Qualifying, 16:00 - 17:00
July 31: Race, 15:00
And it looks like the books have lined Leclerc to get P1 at qualifying at 1.72 with Verstappen at 2.75 and Leclerc to proceed in winning the race lined at 2.20 with Verstappen at 2.50. So it looks like Vestappen is the value side here.
And Aston Martin, called Force India years ago, just got worse since Lawrence Stroll came in and bought the team.
So it may rain this weekend 
Source: https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=hungaroring+meteo
I think I have never seen rain in the Hungarian GP
Source: https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=hungaroring+meteo
I think I have never seen rain in the Hungarian GP
Blame climate change. Lol. But I don't mind races at wet tracks as much as I did before tbh.
Here's the time schedule for the Hungarian GP.
2022 F1 Hungarian GP Time Schedule
July 29: Practice 1, 14:00 - 15:00
July 29: Practice 2, 17:00 - 18:00
July 30: Practice 3, 13:00 - 14:00
July 30: Qualifying, 16:00 - 17:00
July 31: Race, 15:00
And it looks like the books have lined Leclerc to get P1 at qualifying at 1.72 with Verstappen at 2.75 and Leclerc to proceed in winning the race lined at 2.20 with Verstappen at 2.50. So it looks like Vestappen is the value side here.
July 28, 2022, 08:58:38 AM
Sebastian Vettel is leaving Formula 1 after Season 2022
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/vettel-announces-retirement-from-f1-after-2022-season/10344454/
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/vettel-announces-retirement-from-f1-after-2022-season/10344454/
Unfortunately it is true.
In my opinion, Sebastian Vettel is one of the greatest drivers ever in Formula 1. It is frustrating to see him saying goodbye to Formula 1 after racing with a very bad car during the whole season. Aston Martin couldn't even give a proper car to him to be able to have a decent season before his retirement. It would have been nice to see him in a better car next season and race harder before he retires. But I'm still going to remember him with his great years with Red Bull especially. 
July 28, 2022, 08:44:11 AM
Sebastian Vettel is leaving Formula 1 after Season 2022
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/vettel-announces-retirement-from-f1-after-2022-season/10344454/
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/vettel-announces-retirement-from-f1-after-2022-season/10344454/
July 28, 2022, 03:06:36 AM
I'm a bit surprised, but it's been apparent for a while that Porsche wants to enter Formula 1. But the fact that Porsche is buying 50% of the Red Bull team is a bit unexpected. From Porsche's point of view, it's not a bad move, as RedBull already owns its own powertrain company, RedBull Powertrains. So Porsche will only have to develop the combustion engine, as it does now with Honda, and they will work very closely together on the other drive components.
Will RedBull then be called RedBull Porsche Factory Racing? Audi is apparently negotiating with Sauber (Alfa Romeo).
https://www.motorsport-total.com/formel-1/news/leak-durch-kartellbehoerde-porsche-uebernimmt-50-prozent-von-red-bull-22072708
Will RedBull then be called RedBull Porsche Factory Racing? Audi is apparently negotiating with Sauber (Alfa Romeo).
https://www.motorsport-total.com/formel-1/news/leak-durch-kartellbehoerde-porsche-uebernimmt-50-prozent-von-red-bull-22072708
July 27, 2022, 04:46:23 PM
So it may rain this weekend
Source: https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=hungaroring+meteo
I think I have never seen rain in the Hungarian GP
Source: https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=hungaroring+meteo
I think I have never seen rain in the Hungarian GP
July 27, 2022, 08:15:48 AM
Max is definitely the champion after this race, there wasn't a doubt in my mind but there were some in some people, but everyone should agree after such a day. In the end we are talking about Ferrari as a competition and we all know Ferrari is a shitty team these days. They have been like this for a long time.
Charles didn't crash because of any team mistakes I think, but at the end of the day he is still not at fault neither, it is just racing and sometimes this happens. So, we could end up focusing on the next races. Red Bull and Max will be the winners, but just because we know the winner doesn't mean we can't watch the season. Lewis won so many and with ease, but we still watched right?
Charles didn't crash because of any team mistakes I think, but at the end of the day he is still not at fault neither, it is just racing and sometimes this happens. So, we could end up focusing on the next races. Red Bull and Max will be the winners, but just because we know the winner doesn't mean we can't watch the season. Lewis won so many and with ease, but we still watched right?
100% correct and this is coming from a Ferrari fan. Personally, I do think that even if Charles won this race , Max would still have been the champ by the end of the year. Why ? Because he is already in that mental state of a champ and you can see this in his race when he makes no mistakes during the race and he keeps calm and all that by just the age of 24. Crazy , right ? Well , that's what happens when you're fighting in top for multiple years , you become so adapt with pressure and what you need to win a champ , that you won't make any mistakes and that's why you win races sometimes.
We are in another race week now right before the summer break. This race is going to be very important mentally for Verstappen and Leclerc both. Because in case one of them captures a significant advantage against the other, that driver is going to have a more satisfying ending in the first half of the season. Leclerc desperately needs to win the Hungarian GP this weekend. After that very unfortunate crash the gap with Verstappen has been opened too much. He needs to win as many races as possible to still have a chance for the championship.
While I agree with you from the past races we have seen there is no real big difference between the cars as even Ocon with Alpine has won this race with the right circumstances that favored him a couple of years ago.This means that the upcoming race will be a fierce full battle and most probably if only one of the two drivers have a reliability or some other problem can make the other one to get a significant advantage over the other,mostly Leclerc should win this race otherwise if Verstappen wins this I think the title war ends here.
@boltz it’s another disappointing season so far from Ferrari as I personally had expected them to fight hard for the title, but I guess that now we can only hope for a miracle other wise this season too will end like the past few seasons i.e. Ferrari failing to win again. @swogerino I strongly feel that mentally Max is stronger than Leclerc and that’s why he’ll defeat him again during the upcoming race, and if that happens then I doubt that Leclerc will be able to bounce back from this latest setback.
July 27, 2022, 04:52:19 AM
We are in another race week now right before the summer break. This race is going to be very important mentally for Verstappen and Leclerc both. Because in case one of them captures a significant advantage against the other, that driver is going to have a more satisfying ending in the first half of the season. Leclerc desperately needs to win the Hungarian GP this weekend. After that very unfortunate crash the gap with Verstappen has been opened too much. He needs to win as many races as possible to still have a chance for the championship.
While I agree with you from the past races we have seen there is no real big difference between the cars as even Ocon with Alpine has won this race with the right circumstances that favored him a couple of years ago.This means that the upcoming race will be a fierce full battle and most probably if only one of the two drivers have a reliability or some other problem can make the other one to get a significant advantage over the other,mostly Leclerc should win this race otherwise if Verstappen wins this I think the title war ends here.
July 27, 2022, 04:41:14 AM
Max is definitely the champion after this race, there wasn't a doubt in my mind but there were some in some people, but everyone should agree after such a day. In the end we are talking about Ferrari as a competition and we all know Ferrari is a shitty team these days. They have been like this for a long time.
Charles didn't crash because of any team mistakes I think, but at the end of the day he is still not at fault neither, it is just racing and sometimes this happens. So, we could end up focusing on the next races. Red Bull and Max will be the winners, but just because we know the winner doesn't mean we can't watch the season. Lewis won so many and with ease, but we still watched right?
Charles didn't crash because of any team mistakes I think, but at the end of the day he is still not at fault neither, it is just racing and sometimes this happens. So, we could end up focusing on the next races. Red Bull and Max will be the winners, but just because we know the winner doesn't mean we can't watch the season. Lewis won so many and with ease, but we still watched right?
100% correct and this is coming from a Ferrari fan. Personally, I do think that even if Charles won this race , Max would still have been the champ by the end of the year. Why ? Because he is already in that mental state of a champ and you can see this in his race when he makes no mistakes during the race and he keeps calm and all that by just the age of 24. Crazy , right ? Well , that's what happens when you're fighting in top for multiple years , you become so adapt with pressure and what you need to win a champ , that you won't make any mistakes and that's why you win races sometimes.
July 27, 2022, 03:40:05 AM
We are in another race week now right before the summer break. This race is going to be very important mentally for Verstappen and Leclerc both. Because in case one of them captures a significant advantage against the other, that driver is going to have a more satisfying ending in the first half of the season. Leclerc desperately needs to win the Hungarian GP this weekend. After that very unfortunate crash the gap with Verstappen has been opened too much. He needs to win as many races as possible to still have a chance for the championship.
July 27, 2022, 03:38:28 AM
The race was really horrible for Ferrari. Leclerc's unfortunate crash made him very frustrated. He was very angry for some time after the incident. These things exist in Formula 1 I'm afraid as everything can change by only one lap. However Ferrari were at fault as well. The reason is that they still can't give a proper-working car for Leclerc and Sainz both. After scary events in the Austria GP this time Leclerc was out of the race. Sainz also had a bad race because of a bad pit and unsafe release.
This time though was 100% Leclerc fault as he lost the rear trying to make a gap with Verstappen in order to come first even after he was to enter the pits.Ferrari as we saw with Sainz this time brought the most performing car of the weekend and it was also the fastest as we saw that really really fast lap of 1.34.xxx while before the fastest lap was 1.37.096 from Verstappen,this shows that Ferrari clearly has improved a lot.It is time now for its drivers to start acting accordingly and the thing they need to do more and much better is to not lose the calm.
July 27, 2022, 03:29:37 AM
The still ambiguous leveling, I don't know when he will reduce the bike in the race. With 8 bikes actually Ducati has a great chance of winning the constructors. But I also haven't figured out what the reason they will reduce the number of bikes in the race. It should be that 8 bikes are quite suitable and have been allowed by Dorna. In addition Suzuki has also resigned, meaning ducati has a fixed chance with 8 bikes and riders.
Broadly speaking this is true because Ducati can have the advantage of winning the constructors' championship every season. But if there is an independent team that is already a customer of Ducati preferring a motorcycle engine other than Ducati, then it will also make Ducati will experience a shortage of motorcycles in the MotoGP grid.But Paolo Ciabatti doesn't mention about that now. Except just to mention about making it easier to manage everyone before the race starts because I see Ducati always leaving people in the independent team garage.
July 26, 2022, 04:36:36 PM
The race was really horrible for Ferrari. Leclerc's unfortunate crash made him very frustrated. He was very angry for some time after the incident. These things exist in Formula 1 I'm afraid as everything can change by only one lap. However Ferrari were at fault as well. The reason is that they still can't give a proper-working car for Leclerc and Sainz both. After scary events in the Austria GP this time Leclerc was out of the race. Sainz also had a bad race because of a bad pit and unsafe release.
The problem is that team had the data from the rear tires which means that they could have pitted him earlier. When you are racing at the head and you are about to win and if you can't end up pitting at the right time and then you get a rear tire imbalance which sends you off to the wall, that's going to piss you off a lot.I know it looks like a normal crash that happens a million times, but it was about the team again which is a problem for him. Dude is aware that as long as the team keeps making on these mistakes, even if you give him the best car then he is going to end up losing. He had the best car that day and he still lost, because team failed to read the data on his tires and didn't pit him earlier.
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