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Red Bull and Max certainly remain favourites for the title. Ferrari's reliability concern is not improving, and a couple of DNFs for Leclerc would ruin the season for him, even if he won most of the other races. And I'm not totally convinced about the new Ferrari pace advantage yet, we need to see it at more than one track.

Red Bull could certainly do an improvement on their car if they want to, but the question is, would you rather spend money on this year's car, or would it be better to spend that money on next year's car?

There is a limited amount of people working on the car, and limited amount of resources, so if you focus on this year's car, then you would continue the upgrades from where you left off this year when next season starts. They are already ahead so much, as a team they are even further ahead, would they be able to keep that difference locked and ready until the season ends? Or will they need to improve to win it this year? I do not know, I mean even at the current rate, they may still win the title, who knows?

If that is going to be the same upgrade to have such a nice engine as the performance upgrade that we saw at Haas this race,at Ferrari then most probably is game over for Verstappen and Redbull if Redbull don't have any plan on major upgrades during the year.What I know for sure is that the official holiday season will only be holiday for the drivers,the teams at the garage I bet they will be working hard during all August to bring those massive upgrades to their teams in order for them to perform better.The only team who has stop further development to this year car because their full focus is on next year so far is McLaren.

Yesterday Leclerc made a hat trick with three overtakes,all of them on Verstappen.

I also noticed that Haas is very strong, but Alfa was not so strong. Did Ferrari also upgrade the engine or did Haas change something bigger in the aerodynamics?

At the Red Bull Ring the Ferrari was definitely stronger than the Red Bull, but reliability is a big weakness for Ferrari if they want to fight for the constructors' title.

Honestly? It looks like Ferrari gave up reliability for power here, and that paid out for one racer at least. I know that Sainz didn't finish, but when he was racing he was close to overtake Max and that rarely ever happens, and Charles did it 3 times. So the car could be less reliable right now, but it is certainly much much faster. Red Bull needs to just keep it like this and not try to get faster, why? Because if they could keep the reliability issues to a minimum, its obvious that Charles can't win all races, and that will result with Max getting at least some more wins, and he is far off enough to feel comfortable about it.

Ferrari were still dealing with serious problems even though they were faster than Red Bull today. Sainz got rid of a disaster by getting out of his car in time. Leclerc was nearly DNF too if there were at least a few more laps to go. The team must solve their issues as quick as possible. We are in the middle of the season but they still haven't learned their lesson. Otherwise being the champions will stay as a dream for them. These problems will most probably cause Leclerc to end the season without being the champion as well.

Maybe they need data for the simulator or maybe they needed to test the affordability, whatever it was we don't know yet.

Haas did a huge step in speed with the evolution of the engine.

(Sainz will probably take a penalty next GP and if that the case he maybe use the the engine and unlock it.)

No doubts Ferrari would have taken first two place if not Sainz engine failure. Sainz literally started overtake attempt when his engine stopped working. It's so disappointing for him. Well deserved win for Leclerc, even with technical issues in the end, Verstappen had no chance to reach him. And finally Ferrari didn't failed with their strategy.
What a perfromance by Schumacher. P6 and 2nd race in a row in points. So good to see him improving, while having decent car and not crashing it.
And I think that rules is sometimes unfair. Russel ruined race for Perez and got just 5 second penalty which barely affected his result.

Why did they got update earlier than Ferrari?

It was a very good day for Ferrari actually. I'm saying this despite the big problem Sainz had with his car while he was almost getting past Verstappen. I really don't know what went wrong but I'm grateful that Sainz didn't get injured after that fire. Leclerc was almost going to have a problem also as there was some issue with his throttle pedal. But he made it to the end as the leader even though the gap was very close in last lap. Leclerc fully deserved this victory as he was faster than Verstappen in this race.

We will see what the problem of Sainz was, the update worked so beautifully on Haas, they could fight Mercedes!

I don't know when they want to implement Ferrari.

I am so pained. Sainz would have been on the podium with Leclerc and Max had his engine not gone up in flames in lap 57. On the other hand, I am delighted for Leclerc to see him win again. By all means Ferrari has to do something quickly about the reliability of their car. It is of paramount importance. There would have been two Ferraris on the podium.

Poor Sainz was devastated. He could've finished second but engine failed. Leclerc deserved to win the race. It's not a bad race for Verstappen but Leclerc was better. Perez also couldn't finish the race after collision with Russell. Good day for Mercedes as they got third and fourth place. It was another race for both Ferrari and RB Racing to not finish with both pilots. I believe Leclerc will be better after every race, he get used to first place. That was his fifth win total and third win this season.
Mick Schumacher was the racer of the day and he well deserved it. His second points this season and best place by finishing sixth.

The race started smoothly. Leclerc didn't let Verstappen catch up after the first laps and stuck with his opponent by keeping track. However, the race was a huge disappointment and his engine failed for Carlos Sainz. At the end of the day, Leclerc shot Red Bull at home. Leclerc had his fifth career victory. Congratulations.

That was another crazy game today. I am a fan of Verstappen, but it's nice that LeClerc has won again that Verstappen has finished below, so that we can get some tension in the battle for the world championship. It seemed for a while that Verstappen would again become world champion without any problems. Or yes, this season without any problems. Bizarre also that there was a fire in Ferrari's car. Sainz can get away with it, for the same money things explode with all the consequences if you are unlucky.

I dont know that coinlocket$, yes HAAS seems really fast.

The main problem is, are this new engines reliable? BEcause i think Ferrari its in serious troubles if they dont fix that.

it was easily a 1-2 for Ferrari but sadly Sainz got some problems.


Have you seen the Haas? they were using the new version of the Ferrari Hybrid engine and they were so fast! Ferrari will use it soon aswell

Ferrari had the fastest car this weekend, but Ferrari should still think about reliability. The one Ferrari burned out and Leclerc also had problems with the gas pedal at the end, a few more laps and Leclerc probably wouldn't won.



https://www.vikendi.net/2022/07/10/sainzs-car-burns-down-dramatic-scenes-in-spielberg/

Happy for Leclerc and so sad for Sainz.  It would've def been a Ferrari 1 - 2 if not for the power unit blow up of Sainz's car.  But it seem like something clicked with the Ferrari cars this race.  They had the pace and the pits were well timed.  Over all still a good result.  I can't wait for the next one and see how Red Bull reacts.

A couple more result like this for Ferrari and it's going to be another great season.  

2022 F1 Austrian Grand Prix Race Results

1   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   71 Laps
2   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   + 1.532s
3   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   + 41.217s
4   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   + 58.972s
5   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   + 68.436s
6   Mick Schumacher   GER   Haas F1 Team   + 1 Lap
7   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   + 1 Lap
8   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   Haas F1 Team   + 1 Lap
9   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   + 1 Lap
10   Fernando Alonso   ESP   BWT Alpine F1 Team   + 1 Lap
11   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   + 1 Lap
12   Alexander Albon   THA   Williams Racing   + 1 Lap
13   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   + 1 Lap
14   Guanyu Zhou   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   + 1 Lap
15   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri   + 1 Lap
16   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri   + 1 Lap
17   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   + 1 Lap
    Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   DNF
    Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   DNF
    Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Bull Racing   DNF

Ferrari totally deserved the win today.However the reliability issue with Sainz which had a big engine failure which took on a serious fire and the last laps of Leclerc with problems in both the gas pedal and the shifting shows that Ferrari still got a couple of reliability problems to solve.For Redbull race I think they will be quite happy in managing to minimize damage to the maximum possible extent after managing to get the 2nd place with Verstappen and also the fastest lap of the race,so in total they just lost 6 points compared to Leclerc,and although Leclerc won the race he is still considerably behind in points compared to Verstapped,nevertheless good to see Ferrari winning back.

Today it looks like the Ferrari is faster than RedBull, Perez had again some bad luck with the collision. But so it remains an exciting race, also was the overtaking maneuver of Leclerc against Verstappen very beautiful and courageous.

RedBull has immediately tried a new strategy, wait and see if that was a good idea.