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Difficult to read that much into it I suppose after just one session. But I'd imagine the same as usual, Max and the Ferraris fighting for the top few places, with Mercedes and Perez in 4th to 6th, in whatever order.
Merc I think looked relatively good (or at least less bad) last time around, but that was a track that really suited their car. This track, not quite so much... the normal pecking order should be restored.

1   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m06.302s
2   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m06.447s
3   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m06.702s
4   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m06.839s
5   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m06.909s
6   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   Haas F1 Team   1m06.965s
7   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m07.039s
8   Fernando Alonso   ESP   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m07.100s
9   Mick Schumacher   GER   Haas F1 Team   1m07.246s
10   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m07.296s
11   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m07.431s
12   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m07.462s
13   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m07.476s
14   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m07.522s
15   Alexander Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m07.582s
16   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m07.592s
17   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m07.743s
18   Guanyu Zhou   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m07.889s
19   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   1m08.149s
20   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m09.915s

Source: https://www.crash.net/f1/results/1007485/1/f1-2022-austrian-grand-prix-free-practice-results-1


Remember we will have sprint qualifying so the qualify it will be today in 2 hour-ish

Thank you for giving your opinion on this. But you also need to know that for the COTA circuit or the one located in Texas and I often refer to it as the Austin circuit, it has always been dominated by Marc Marquez so he won there very often except in 2019 when he crashed while leading the race and another was this year when he pressed the wrong button on his motorbike at the start of the race which resulted in him slipping backwards and only being able to finish the race in 6th position.


I also thought that after seeing his condition from 2020 until this year where he has been very difficult to control the bike and has started to struggle to get wins in every race. And it's a different story if he no longer returns to racing which will eventually decide to retire, but for now everyone should think of him as an active MotoGP rider because he still hasn't retired even though he is absent for racing because he has to start his recovery again.

In order to overtake the legends of MotoGP with the number of victories you have to be present,race to your maximum and beat the competition.Unfortunately the damage that Marquez has received from his many many crashes is not reversible,he cannot be back to his best days when victory was to easy for him.It is a shame though as I don't enjoy much MotoGP now compared to the days when guys like Marquez,Rossi,Lorenzo and company were all fighting for victory,those were races that gave you emotions,I don't feel any with the actual riders.

Depends, several rumors were saying back on days that his career was over and he could not be competitive anymore.

We will see but, I don't think he will can beat it.

Lewis Hamilton HAD TO talk about last years Silverstone. He said he was happy to fight it out with Charles and he was great and it was fun to do it with someone who knows it. This is a direct insult to Max basically which is fine this is a sport and people trash talk that's fine. But at the same time, we are talking about something Max could have died, yes the cars are much safer these days but still a 51g could always leave a mark on you if you are not careful.

This means that Lewis just attacked Max for something he did (he wasn't on his apex, hence why he got a penalty for 10 seconds) that could have resulted with Max's death. I am sorry but that's not trash talk, that's being a bad person.

In my own opinion, I don't think Marc Marquez will return to racing after his recovery from surgery. Man, has had one too man crashes. He has pushed his limits. To me his career has ended. His last best performance was in 2015 COTA. So back to your question, he is not going to overtake the number of wins for both of Valentino Rossi and Giacomo Agostini because I do not think he is coming back.

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In terms of the number of victories, Valentino Rossi is still the most even though Giacomo Agostini is the one who is able to win 15 world titles in MotoGP.
The question is whether Marc Marquez is able to overtake the number of wins for both of them (Valentino Rossi and Giacomo Agostini) after he recovers from surgery and returns to racing as usual?
Because considering that Valentino Rossi and Giacomo Agostini have both retired and become legends in MotoGP, there will be no additional wins for both of them.

The sprint race is really important as that is the qualifying in this round.In a track like this one where Redbull is racing at home it will be extremely important for Ferrari to start in front of Redbull otherwise it will be very difficult for them to pass them in the race because we know in the race distance Redbull so far is the fastest car.In these tracks we are racing now,medium to slow speed ones it is vital for Ferrari to win in these tracks in order to keep fighting for the F1 title because after such tracks we will move to very fast ones like SPA,Monza and a couple others where Redbull will be a huge favorite,so if Ferrari does not win in these upcoming somewhat slow tracks it can be the end of their fight for the title.

It's a shame to see that Leclerc "left" the race when Verstapen was 13 seconds behind his rival.
Even so, I believe that the Dutchman has a real chance to take that position and go on to victory. But... every circuit is a surprise and there is no way to predict anything in F1.
I think it is very difficult for Lecler to win, despite the impressive result in this last race (until he leaves), in a general scenario Leclerc is not doing very well.

We are in the middle of the season now. Leclerc is still 43 points behind Verstappen for the championship and Perez is also another hindrance for him to get over. The result of the previous race would have been much different for Leclerc if the team didn't do meaningless things for him. Leclerc has another race ahead to hope for melting the gap with Verstappen this week. However it is really difficult to find a chance for him like Verstappen would have a really bad race. However Leclerc can still win an extra advantage in the sprint race also.

I just learned on reddit that the first ever F1 that Zhou's family attended was this one :/ That is a damn shame, they wanted to see their kid race in F1 live for the first time, and for a short span I am sure that they were afraid their kid was gone, literally dead.

That type of scare could leave a huge scar in a family, even if Zhou came out of that without even a scratch, dude was literally ready to race again if you gave him a car, he was THAT healthy, which goes to show you have safe these cars are. But even with that, seeing such a thing must have been traumatic for the family. I hope that they could find comfort in the fact that even after such a horrible looking crash, he was out.

Yes, but he started with the red tires so he had a lot more grip due to the hotter tires.

And we don't know how long those tires could be used, Max was the only one with red tires.

This season in F1 has been really fun so far. With the new cars things have started to change significantly for some teams. Mercedes have got behind Red Bull and Ferrari a lot and they are still like that now. Ferrari must have the biggest horsepower among the cars in the grid now however Red Bull still manage to finish ahead of them. There have been some issues for both teams but Red Bull are doing better when it comes to making decisions that are important for the championship. Ferrari have failed people about that these days and I will be waiting for if they will do that again in the Austria Grand Prix this weekend.

In any case, it is a lot more fun to watch than previous seasons. Then Hamilton was dominant every year. Last year Verstappen became world champion, but it was every race between those 2. Now at the start of the race you have the feeling that both drivers of both Red Bull and Ferrari can win the race. In principle, Verstappen and Leclerc start every race as favorites, but the engine of both teams has already started a few times. Will there be a comeback from Mercedes?

Yeah not too easy, I guess but you saw how Verstappen took P1 from Sainz at the start of the race and he was basically coasting away from the cars behind him.  It would've been easy imho if not for the red flag.

Anyway the books are putting up funny lines again.  Leclerc is a slight favorite at quali at 2.10 vs Verstappen's 2.35.  But for the race it's still close to the odds I posted a day ago.  1.83 now for Verstappen and 3.55 for Leclerc.  Surely Leclerc knows what to do now...  3.55?  I think it could hit.  What do you guys think?

You are right that Verstappen was pretty unlucky in the last race and he definitely did not enjoy racing last weekend. If i remember correctly, then he has lost pieces of his underbody chassis which had severe impacts on the balance of the car which made it like half a second slower per lap than it usually is. He almost lost the 7th position to Schumacher close to the end of the race, so i think Verstappen did as well as he could under this circumstances.
Leclerc was unlucky again too though, he stayed out when the last Safety car came and therefore Sainz and Perez could easily overtake him with their new tyres. I am happy for Sainz for his first win, but Leclerc just has no luck at the moment.

We are in another race week right now. The next station is the Austria GP. This time we have a sprint race also which is very important for especially the championship contenders. Leclerc had a really bad race last week because of Ferrari team. Their bad decisions caused him to be even out of the podium. They just did everything they can to make Sainz win the race instead of Leclerc. When one of your drivers is close to the championship race you should prioritize him in critical moments. I hope they don't mess up things again this week.

The motor power is definitely different and what has been seen in the past and also in 11 races this season is a very real and interesting thing where Quartararo is still able to win races with only minimal power which is even the slowest when compared to his competitors . But he is still able to get points and win races, just imagine if the power of his motorbike can be very balanced with his competitors, there will definitely be more wins that he (Quartararo) will get in the second half.


It's really a shame because in the past where Dorna still hasn't implemented some new rules for MotoGP such as uniform ECU for all manufacturers and restrictions on fuel and a single tire supplier. After these three things were implemented by Dorna into MotoGP, it was very visible how the results of the race were running with the audience who no longer had emotions and enthusiasm for the current MotoGP. Because there are some races that run like a touring that makes the audience sleepy.

Yes.It was a mistake from Ferrari by not pitting Charles but going with Carlos.Charles has been hit a lot of times from the Ferrari pit mistakes and honestly I admire him how he is still that psychologically strong after all that have happened to him in a consecutive way,he was DNF for car failures a couple of times and some other couple of times from Ferrari mistakes,and all of these in a consecutive way putting his Championship contender position at a huge risk.Now even Sainz is fighting in theory for the title.It will be interesting to see the next race but Redbull was the fastest car out there with Verstappen in this last race and only because he hit something with his car he ruined his race otherwise he would have won.