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June 29, 2022, 06:03:52 AM
The Silverstone GP is getting close. It is one of the special tracks in F1 in my opinion. In the last eight years Lewis Hamilton had an overwhelming performance like winning the GP seven times. Sebastian Vettel was able to win once in 2018 with his SF71H. However it looks like this dominance of Hamilton is going to end as long as Mercedes team are in this problematic condition. For the upcoming race for example, I see no chance for Hamilton to win in normal conditions. The closest drivers to win this race are Verstappen and Leclerc to me.
June 29, 2022, 04:38:54 AM
You don't really need to moan about it now, Aleix's near crash probably cost him the win and he had to make up several seconds, the longlap penalty costs 1 or 2 seconds at most, so I think the penalty is appropriate. So Yamaha and Fabio should just forget about it and show a good performance/response at Silverstone.
I think it's also very clear that when Fabio was able to leave his opponent a few seconds behind in the race before Assen, it made a penalty like a long lap not a big influence for Fabio. I also don't understand why Fabio is starting to complain about it now, but if he can prove himself to be the best at Silverstone after this break, then he will win another race there too. 
June 29, 2022, 04:24:33 AM
A huge upgrade for RBR is expected this week.
Binotto is saying RBR will lose 5kg weight (means 3/10 for lap)
Binotto is saying RBR will lose 5kg weight (means 3/10 for lap)
That is going to be trouble for every other team if it happens to be true.I always check all the official pages of all the F1 teams including the biggest one F1 itself and I haven't read any news like that.The major topic has been the racist language Nelson Piquet and Juri Vips that have used toward Lewis Hamilton,all the teams immediately stood by Lewis being 100% right and also Juri Vips is terminated from continuing to be a Redbull test driver just because this incident.
Back on the Silverstone race I think the Free practices as always will show us the true behavior and performance of the cars for the track and then we can see if the upgrade really was huge or not.
June 29, 2022, 03:05:35 AM
I think he did Espargaro a disservice, the race commission knows better about that. I also agree with this punishment, he looks imposing, then dangerous and finally detrimental. I don't think the tire problem was the main factor, it was clear he lost stability because he was too close to the asphalt. Then he cut Espargaro's path and it was very dangerous. Regarding appeals, maybe that's their right, but indeed a penalty will make Quartararo much more difficult. But if he is able to win in the next series with a penalty it will make him more confident.
Exactly, as I also think there was almost no chance to complete the overtaking manoeuvre successfully. And the one second he loses in the long lap is very little, you can easily make up for that.
A huge upgrade for RBR is expected this week.
Binotto is saying RBR will lose 5kg weight (means 3/10 for lap)
Binotto is saying RBR will lose 5kg weight (means 3/10 for lap)
So 5kg would be very very much, that would give RedBull a big advantage and put Ferrari under further pressure. But where should the 5kg be cut? Is there any further information on this?
June 29, 2022, 01:27:05 AM
I think he did Espargaro a disservice, the race commission knows better about that. I also agree with this punishment, he looks imposing, then dangerous and finally detrimental. I don't think the tire problem was the main factor, it was clear he lost stability because he was too close to the asphalt. Then he cut Espargaro's path and it was very dangerous. Regarding appeals, maybe that's their right, but indeed a penalty will make Quartararo much more difficult. But if he is able to win in the next series with a penalty it will make him more confident.
By the rules it is acceptable for Quartararo because he tries to overtake to get a good position, but it is a pity that it is very detrimental to Espargaro who in his expectation is still able to win there with a fierce duel in the race. This was very evident when Espargaro dropped to 15th position and fought hard to get 4th place, which means if that incident had not happened to Espargaro, he would have been able to get the win.But some people still compare it to the incident of Nakagami who fell by himself at the first corner of Catalunya where it also harmed Bagnaia and Rins. And I think that's a very different matter to the Quartararo incident.
June 28, 2022, 05:09:12 PM
The Aston Martin team made the first major update to the Barcelona circuit this year and the concept of the car has changed. Now they are preparing for the new update to speed up the vehicle even more. The Silverstone race was chosen for these updates. Let's see if the Aston Martin team can survive the upgrades and stay competitive. I'm looking forward to the Aston Martin update on the Silverstone race.
June 28, 2022, 04:34:16 PM
A huge upgrade for RBR is expected this week.
Binotto is saying RBR will lose 5kg weight (means 3/10 for lap)
Binotto is saying RBR will lose 5kg weight (means 3/10 for lap)
June 28, 2022, 09:44:33 AM
Exactly for the crash with Aleix, Fabio got a penalty for Silverstone, I think even a longlap penalty is mild and appropriate. A demotion on the grid would probably be worse and too harsh. But now Fabio is making fun of the stewards, is that such a good idea? Accept the penalty and that's good, then show in the race that the penalty has no effect on your own performance.
https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/quartararo-rages-against-motogp-stewards-over-assen-penalty/10329207/
https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/quartararo-rages-against-motogp-stewards-over-assen-penalty/10329207/
I think he did Espargaro a disservice, the race commission knows better about that. I also agree with this punishment, he looks imposing, then dangerous and finally detrimental. I don't think the tire problem was the main factor, it was clear he lost stability because he was too close to the asphalt. Then he cut Espargaro's path and it was very dangerous. Regarding appeals, maybe that's their right, but indeed a penalty will make Quartararo much more difficult. But if he is able to win in the next series with a penalty it will make him more confident.
June 28, 2022, 09:31:31 AM
That bend 5 makes him desperate, I don't know how he feels when crashing in the same place. Quartararo uses a different strategy for this time, maybe he wants to improve but it's not perfect until he can't overtake Espargaro and fail. But he is still on top with 172 points, in the 2nd is Espargaro with 151 points (for 4th position)
I haven't seen a race in a long time, because there's a lot of work on the weekends. I favor Quartararo because Yamaha's stats here are pretty good, it's a shame he fell. Actually I saw him fall in the same place it was very funny. But I'm also sad that he can't get points. Though he should have studied, but maybe that was his fate yesterday. Luckily Espargaro did not finish in 1st or 2nd position maybe their points distance is getting closer. Of course the more interesting, because the next series is in Finland. But it seems that it was canceled because Dorna was worried about the geopolitical situation, because Finland wanted to join Nato. June 28, 2022, 07:51:56 AM
If the penalty is very well received by Fabio and he is able to show a very good performance at Silverstone, then he (Fabio) will look like a superhero 
that will be talked about by the media after the Silverstone race.
But I see a little comment from "Team Director Maio Meregalli, Post Dutch GP Race" which basically they will digest it again in this break before going to Silverstone.
that will be talked about by the media after the Silverstone race.But I see a little comment from "Team Director Maio Meregalli, Post Dutch GP Race" which basically they will digest it again in this break before going to Silverstone.
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"We view the first crash of Fabio as a race incident and feel that Race Direction's decision to give him a sanction for the next race is not only harsh considering he took nobody down with him and Aleix still scored points, but it's also not consistent with race incidents we've seen in earlier GPs that were left unpunished. We will use this break to digest this GP and come back ready to fight in Silverstone in one month‘s time." (yamahamotogp)
You don't really need to moan about it now, Aleix's near crash probably cost him the win and he had to make up several seconds, the longlap penalty costs 1 or 2 seconds at most, so I think the penalty is appropriate. So Yamaha and Fabio should just forget about it and show a good performance/response at Silverstone.
June 28, 2022, 05:40:28 AM
Exactly for the crash with Aleix, Fabio got a penalty for Silverstone, I think even a longlap penalty is mild and appropriate. A demotion on the grid would probably be worse and too harsh. But now Fabio is making fun of the stewards, is that such a good idea? Accept the penalty and that's good, then show in the race that the penalty has no effect on your own performance.
If the penalty is very well received by Fabio and he is able to show a very good performance at Silverstone, then he (Fabio) will look like a superhero that will be talked about by the media after the Silverstone race.But I see a little comment from "Team Director Maio Meregalli, Post Dutch GP Race" which basically they will digest it again in this break before going to Silverstone.
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"We view the first crash of Fabio as a race incident and feel that Race Direction's decision to give him a sanction for the next race is not only harsh considering he took nobody down with him and Aleix still scored points, but it's also not consistent with race incidents we've seen in earlier GPs that were left unpunished. We will use this break to digest this GP and come back ready to fight in Silverstone in one month‘s time." (yamahamotogp)
June 28, 2022, 04:54:50 AM
I still don't know why Quartararo got the penalty?. is will it affect the Silverstone?. this is the race where the racer is ahead of each other, when we look Espargaro didn't crash, and still continues to race. Maybe Quartararo's bike still has the same problem of tire or something else because he crashes in the same spot (bend 5), which I think still has time (2 weeks) for investigation.
Exactly for the crash with Aleix, Fabio got a penalty for Silverstone, I think even a longlap penalty is mild and appropriate. A demotion on the grid would probably be worse and too harsh. But now Fabio is making fun of the stewards, is that such a good idea? Accept the penalty and that's good, then show in the race that the penalty has no effect on your own performance.
https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/quartararo-rages-against-motogp-stewards-over-assen-penalty/10329207/
June 28, 2022, 03:50:20 AM
That bend 5 makes him desperate, I don't know how he feels when crashing in the same place. Quartararo uses a different strategy for this time, maybe he wants to improve but it's not perfect until he can't overtake Espargaro and fail. But he is still on top with 172 points, in the 2nd is Espargaro with 151 points (for 4th position)
He looked like he wanted to overtake Espargaro immediately. Maybe he realized if he was far enough behind he'd be in more trouble. But it seems their impatience made him careless. He should have been more experienced and more patient. Not getting points is very detrimental. The point difference is getting closer. When I fell the second I was actually surprised, because the place is the same. I don't know why it repeats itself, It seems he was too tilted and the tire grip was lost. The next series at Silverstone in August looks like we have a 2 week gap.
June 28, 2022, 01:21:03 AM
I think it is early to make these statements,the perfect time to make that statement that Max is going to win the most races during this season is after the three upcoming races which are not favoring Redbull at all.If Ferrari is able to make the most out of these tracks then most probably we will be in a situation where the chances to win the F1 Championship will be equal between a Ferrari driver and a Redbull driver.For this to happen though in these three races Ferrari needs to be impeccable and make 0 mistakes in their strategy during the race and also hopefully the reliability problem to be fixed.If this does not happen it is only natural that Max then will win the most number of races during this season.
I do not think that getting close to each other would be that much a possibility. Sure if Charles wins all three next races, that would be 75 points, but if Max ends in podium in all those races, he would have at least 35-40 points, and that means he is going to be still ahead. Sure that's closer, but we just gave Charles three wins in a row and he is still at least one more win away, how much leeway Max needs to guarantee his championship in our minds? I believe the season is already over and Max is the champion. Sure it may take a while before people realize that, or if anything substantially unexpected, like Max getting an injury that keeps him away for a long time, then things could change but I doubt that.
I think Ferrari needs to also play with Sainz in order to stop Max in these mixed tracks with more slow speed turns in order to maximize the team gains.Ferrari has shown that lately they have improved a lot also in fast tracks like Canada and we all witness just that.It is good for the F1 season that Ferrari wins at least 2 of these three upcoming races otherwise everything is already decided in favor of Rebdull because beside Ferrari there is no other team that can fight Redbull this year.
June 28, 2022, 12:57:02 AM
It was a very important race for the tension in the World Championship (even if I don't want to see a crash), Bagnaia won and Aleix also made up points on Fabio by catching up, but Fabio can also make mistakes under pressure. The race could make the championship exciting again after the summer break.
Fabio got a longlap penalty in the next race because of the accident against Aleix.
The first half of the season is over and it's time for the riders to take a 41 day holiday before the second half of the season starts again which will take place at British silverstone. However, what is very unfortunate is the Long Lap Penalty that was given to Fabio by the stewards, because the Nakagami crash that occurred in Barcelona did not receive any sanctions even though the incident had already harmed two other riders such as Pecco and Rins.Fabio got a longlap penalty in the next race because of the accident against Aleix.
the next series which will be held at Silverstone will of course be very interesting, I am sure there will be a fierce duel there and of course Fabio Quartararo will rise, he was the winner at the Silverstone circuit last year.
I also predict that, but anything can still happen as seen in Assen, even though last year Fabio won at Assen, but it is not easy this year. Regardless of the accident that happened to him in the race.Quote
Francesco Bagnaia's victory at the Assen circuit is inseparable from the accidents that befell Aleix Espargaro and Quartararo, if that didn't happen it might not be easy for Bagnaia to win at the Assen circuit because as we know that Ducati is not so fast at this circuit.
If Aleix Espargaro had not had a collision incident with Fabio, then he would definitely be competing with Bagnaia for his victory because dropping to 15th place after the incident alone could still finish the race in 4th place and this is proof that Aprilia is actually very strong.Quote
and Aleix Espargaro, he's been very strong the results are already very good with what has happened, I think Aleix Espargaro is a strong candidate for world champion this season. in the rest of the series this season it is the consistent driver who will be able to become world champion and Aleix Espargaro so far has been very consistent by being able to continue to be in the front row.
I'm also sure that Aleix Espargaro will put up a slightly tougher fight in the second half of the season because Aprilia's bike is getting better and stronger in every circuit. June 27, 2022, 04:30:20 PM
I think it is early to make these statements,the perfect time to make that statement that Max is going to win the most races during this season is after the three upcoming races which are not favoring Redbull at all.If Ferrari is able to make the most out of these tracks then most probably we will be in a situation where the chances to win the F1 Championship will be equal between a Ferrari driver and a Redbull driver.For this to happen though in these three races Ferrari needs to be impeccable and make 0 mistakes in their strategy during the race and also hopefully the reliability problem to be fixed.If this does not happen it is only natural that Max then will win the most number of races during this season.
I do not think that getting close to each other would be that much a possibility. Sure if Charles wins all three next races, that would be 75 points, but if Max ends in podium in all those races, he would have at least 35-40 points, and that means he is going to be still ahead. Sure that's closer, but we just gave Charles three wins in a row and he is still at least one more win away, how much leeway Max needs to guarantee his championship in our minds? I believe the season is already over and Max is the champion. Sure it may take a while before people realize that, or if anything substantially unexpected, like Max getting an injury that keeps him away for a long time, then things could change but I doubt that.
June 27, 2022, 10:12:12 AM
Not sure if Ferrari should be better than Redbull in Silverstone.
We will have high-speed turns, and Ferrari is the best car for low-speed turns, we will see.
We will have high-speed turns, and Ferrari is the best car for low-speed turns, we will see.
Ferrari may end up being faster, but of course it means nothing if they can't finish the race. Reliability has to be the main concern at the moment, it's something they need to fix very quickly, or else the season is already over.
Mercedes are newly recovering and the latest change in the regulation would take some time for Mercedes to start being able to compete with the biggest teams
The change doesn't necessarily mean Mercedes will be able to compete. If Red Bull don't have a problem, which they say they don't, then they won't have to adjust their car at all... so the Merc (which will have to be adjusted) will get slower relative to the fastest team. We'll have to see which teams need to adjust their cars, and by how much.
June 27, 2022, 08:35:02 AM
That bend 5 makes him desperate, I don't know how he feels when crashing in the same place. Quartararo uses a different strategy for this time, maybe he wants to improve but it's not perfect until he can't overtake Espargaro and fail. But he is still on top with 172 points, in the 2nd is Espargaro with 151 points (for 4th position)
He looked like he wanted to overtake Espargaro immediately. Maybe he realized if he was far enough behind he'd be in more trouble. But it seems their impatience made him careless. He should have been more experienced and more patient. Not getting points is very detrimental. The point difference is getting closer. When I fell the second I was actually surprised, because the place is the same. I don't know why it repeats itself, It seems he was too tilted and the tire grip was lost. The next series at Silverstone in August looks like we have a 2 week gap.
June 27, 2022, 08:18:14 AM
Aleix Espargaro did it really great after the crash because of Quartararo. He was down to 15th (if I remember it correctly) but finished in 4th with a great moment in the last turn before finish by overtake Jack Miller and Brad Binder. I think Aleix could be the winner of the race if there was no crash or maybe if there are at least 3-4 laps more. Pecco almost without pressure since the start of the race, the crash between Aleix and Quartararo was absolutely an advantage for him. The result of the race makes the competition for the championship become more attractive as Aleix is getting closed to Quartararo in the standing.
Aleix Espargaro is only 21 points different from Quartararo in the standings and one more thing for Pecco where he has also started to appear in the standings even though he is still in fourth place with a difference of 66 points with Quartararo. But on the other hand Valentino Rossi is also very happy because two Italian riders (one of whom is a rookie of the year) were able to get 1 & 2 podiums at Assen Netherland, both of whom were also educated in the VR46 academy even though Pecco was already in the factory Ducati team.The next race will probably go directly to Silverstone, England, because the Kymiring race in Finland has been cancelled. Hopefully there will be more exciting competition at the time of the race.
Francesco Bagnaia's victory at the Assen circuit is inseparable from the accidents that befell Aleix Espargaro and Quartararo, if that didn't happen it might not be easy for Bagnaia to win at the Assen circuit because as we know that Ducati is not so fast at this circuit.
and Aleix Espargaro, he's been very strong the results are already very good with what has happened, I think Aleix Espargaro is a strong candidate for world champion this season. in the rest of the series this season it is the consistent driver who will be able to become world champion and Aleix Espargaro so far has been very consistent by being able to continue to be in the front row.
June 27, 2022, 07:51:26 AM
Aleix Espargaro is only 21 points different from Quartararo in the standings and one more thing for Pecco where he has also started to appear in the standings even though he is still in fourth place with a difference of 66 points with Quartararo. But on the other hand Valentino Rossi is also very happy because two Italian riders (one of whom is a rookie of the year) were able to get 1 & 2 podiums at Assen Netherland, both of whom were also educated in the VR46 academy even though Pecco was already in the factory Ducati team.
The next race will probably go directly to Silverstone, England, because the Kymiring race in Finland has been cancelled. Hopefully there will be more exciting competition at the time of the race.
The next race will probably go directly to Silverstone, England, because the Kymiring race in Finland has been cancelled. Hopefully there will be more exciting competition at the time of the race.
It was a very important race for the tension in the World Championship (even if I don't want to see a crash), Bagnaia won and Aleix also made up points on Fabio by catching up, but Fabio can also make mistakes under pressure. The race could make the championship exciting again after the summer break.
Fabio got a longlap penalty in the next race because of the accident against Aleix.
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