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July 06, 2022, 04:21:00 PM
This season in F1 has been really fun so far. With the new cars things have started to change significantly for some teams. Mercedes have got behind Red Bull and Ferrari a lot and they are still like that now. Ferrari must have the biggest horsepower among the cars in the grid now however Red Bull still manage to finish ahead of them. There have been some issues for both teams but Red Bull are doing better when it comes to making decisions that are important for the championship. Ferrari have failed people about that these days and I will be waiting for if they will do that again in the Austria Grand Prix this weekend.
July 06, 2022, 03:52:38 PM
In any case, it is a lot more fun to watch than previous seasons. Then Hamilton was dominant every year. Last year Verstappen became world champion, but it was every race between those 2. Now at the start of the race you have the feeling that both drivers of both Red Bull and Ferrari can win the race. In principle, Verstappen and Leclerc start every race as favorites, but the engine of both teams has already started a few times. Will there be a comeback from Mercedes?
July 06, 2022, 03:47:48 PM
Sainz was the slower of the top 4 drivers of the day and he manage to win the race.
Disaster Ferrari with Leclerc, he was faster than Sainz with a damaged car and they failed the call for the pit box.
Disaster Ferrari with Leclerc, he was faster than Sainz with a damaged car and they failed the call for the pit box.
Have you forgotten that Verstappen was way slower after some technical problem with his car after pitting. If it didn't happen he would've won the race easy. So Ferrari got lucky there. And they got lucky twice. Verstappen took P1 at the start of the race before the huge crash.
Next race at Austria should be interesting with Verstappen not winning the last one. Books still have him ahead at 1.85, Leclerc at 3.50 and Sainz, Perez both at 10.10 and 10.60 respectively.
Well not sure so easily, even Leclerc was faster than Hamilton and Sainz with a damaged car.
But yeah Ferrari got luck with Sainz.
Yeah not too easy, I guess but you saw how Verstappen took P1 from Sainz at the start of the race and he was basically coasting away from the cars behind him. It would've been easy imho if not for the red flag.
Anyway the books are putting up funny lines again. Leclerc is a slight favorite at quali at 2.10 vs Verstappen's 2.35. But for the race it's still close to the odds I posted a day ago. 1.83 now for Verstappen and 3.55 for Leclerc. Surely Leclerc knows what to do now... 3.55? I think it could hit. What do you guys think?
July 06, 2022, 07:05:58 AM
Have you forgotten that Verstappen was way slower after some technical problem with his car after pitting. If it didn't happen he would've won the race easy. So Ferrari got lucky there. And they got lucky twice. Verstappen took P1 at the start of the race before the huge crash.
Next race at Austria should be interesting with Verstappen not winning the last one. Books still have him ahead at 1.85, Leclerc at 3.50 and Sainz, Perez both at 10.10 and 10.60 respectively.
Next race at Austria should be interesting with Verstappen not winning the last one. Books still have him ahead at 1.85, Leclerc at 3.50 and Sainz, Perez both at 10.10 and 10.60 respectively.
You are right that Verstappen was pretty unlucky in the last race and he definitely did not enjoy racing last weekend. If i remember correctly, then he has lost pieces of his underbody chassis which had severe impacts on the balance of the car which made it like half a second slower per lap than it usually is. He almost lost the 7th position to Schumacher close to the end of the race, so i think Verstappen did as well as he could under this circumstances.
Leclerc was unlucky again too though, he stayed out when the last Safety car came and therefore Sainz and Perez could easily overtake him with their new tyres. I am happy for Sainz for his first win, but Leclerc just has no luck at the moment.
July 06, 2022, 06:35:12 AM
We are in another race week right now. The next station is the Austria GP. This time we have a sprint race also which is very important for especially the championship contenders. Leclerc had a really bad race last week because of Ferrari team. Their bad decisions caused him to be even out of the podium. They just did everything they can to make Sainz win the race instead of Leclerc. When one of your drivers is close to the championship race you should prioritize him in critical moments. I hope they don't mess up things again this week.
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July 06, 2022, 06:29:22 AM
No dominance in eleven races. it's like last season. Of course Aleix Espargaro is a favorite competitor for Quartararo. Their points are getting closer because of the last draw Quartararo fell. Luckily Espargaro was still able to continue the race and finish in fourth position. Of course I'm sure the second half is still Quartararo and Aleix Espargaro who will be the favorites in every race. Although there are likely to be a lot of surprises due to the difference in motor power.
The motor power is definitely different and what has been seen in the past and also in 11 races this season is a very real and interesting thing where Quartararo is still able to win races with only minimal power which is even the slowest when compared to his competitors . But he is still able to get points and win races, just imagine if the power of his motorbike can be very balanced with his competitors, there will definitely be more wins that he (Quartararo) will get in the second half.I was a big fan of MotoGP before when big names were competing here,like Biaggi,Rossi,Lorenzo,Pedrosa and Marquez together with Stoner and Dovizioso at some point.These guys made me watch every race full of emotions while before the race I was impatient until the time for the race to come on Sunday.I have tried to watch again a couple of MotoGP races and I didn't find them as entertaining as they were when the big names mentioned above made races extremely beautiful and enjoyable to watch.I guess MotoGP needs new names,these ones that are racing now do not transmit to me even 10% of the emotions I felt when watching races with the names of riders above.
It's really a shame because in the past where Dorna still hasn't implemented some new rules for MotoGP such as uniform ECU for all manufacturers and restrictions on fuel and a single tire supplier. After these three things were implemented by Dorna into MotoGP, it was very visible how the results of the race were running with the audience who no longer had emotions and enthusiasm for the current MotoGP. Because there are some races that run like a touring that makes the audience sleepy. 
July 06, 2022, 02:32:59 AM
I would guess that Charles with the pit stop instead of Sainz would have mean that Charles would have won the race, it's quite obvious to me. Yes, it may look like he wasn't that good by the end of it, but at the same time dude had one of the older tires while everyone else had fresh tires. This is why I believe that we are not going to be able to say who would have won if X happened and what would have happened if Y happened.
If Verstappen didn't slow down due to body damage, and Charles got in instead of Sainz, they would have been 1-2 that is for sure, which one would be one and which one would be two, I do not know but they would be ahead of everyone else for sure.
If Verstappen didn't slow down due to body damage, and Charles got in instead of Sainz, they would have been 1-2 that is for sure, which one would be one and which one would be two, I do not know but they would be ahead of everyone else for sure.
Yes.It was a mistake from Ferrari by not pitting Charles but going with Carlos.Charles has been hit a lot of times from the Ferrari pit mistakes and honestly I admire him how he is still that psychologically strong after all that have happened to him in a consecutive way,he was DNF for car failures a couple of times and some other couple of times from Ferrari mistakes,and all of these in a consecutive way putting his Championship contender position at a huge risk.Now even Sainz is fighting in theory for the title.It will be interesting to see the next race but Redbull was the fastest car out there with Verstappen in this last race and only because he hit something with his car he ruined his race otherwise he would have won.
July 06, 2022, 01:31:25 AM
I would guess that Charles with the pit stop instead of Sainz would have mean that Charles would have won the race, it's quite obvious to me. Yes, it may look like he wasn't that good by the end of it, but at the same time dude had one of the older tires while everyone else had fresh tires. This is why I believe that we are not going to be able to say who would have won if X happened and what would have happened if Y happened.
If Verstappen didn't slow down due to body damage, and Charles got in instead of Sainz, they would have been 1-2 that is for sure, which one would be one and which one would be two, I do not know but they would be ahead of everyone else for sure.
If Verstappen didn't slow down due to body damage, and Charles got in instead of Sainz, they would have been 1-2 that is for sure, which one would be one and which one would be two, I do not know but they would be ahead of everyone else for sure.
July 05, 2022, 03:16:48 PM
Sainz was the slower of the top 4 drivers of the day and he manage to win the race.
Disaster Ferrari with Leclerc, he was faster than Sainz with a damaged car and they failed the call for the pit box.
Disaster Ferrari with Leclerc, he was faster than Sainz with a damaged car and they failed the call for the pit box.
Have you forgotten that Verstappen was way slower after some technical problem with his car after pitting. If it didn't happen he would've won the race easy. So Ferrari got lucky there. And they got lucky twice. Verstappen took P1 at the start of the race before the huge crash.
Next race at Austria should be interesting with Verstappen not winning the last one. Books still have him ahead at 1.85, Leclerc at 3.50 and Sainz, Perez both at 10.10 and 10.60 respectively.
Well not sure so easily, even Leclerc was faster than Hamilton and Sainz with a damaged car.
But yeah Ferrari got luck with Sainz.
July 05, 2022, 11:57:20 AM
Sainz was the slower of the top 4 drivers of the day and he manage to win the race.
Disaster Ferrari with Leclerc, he was faster than Sainz with a damaged car and they failed the call for the pit box.
Disaster Ferrari with Leclerc, he was faster than Sainz with a damaged car and they failed the call for the pit box.
Have you forgotten that Verstappen was way slower after some technical problem with his car after pitting. If it didn't happen he would've won the race easy. So Ferrari got lucky there. And they got lucky twice. Verstappen took P1 at the start of the race before the huge crash.
Next race at Austria should be interesting with Verstappen not winning the last one. Books still have him ahead at 1.85, Leclerc at 3.50 and Sainz, Perez both at 10.10 and 10.60 respectively.
July 05, 2022, 08:06:50 AM
In the first half of this season, the one who got the most podiums was Fabio Quartararo with a collection of 6 podiums. And let's see together whether they will all dominate on the podium in the second half of the season in early August 2022
No dominance in eleven races. it's like last season. Of course Aleix Espargaro is a favorite competitor for Quartararo. Their points are getting closer because of the last draw Quartararo fell. Luckily Espargaro was still able to continue the race and finish in fourth position. Of course I'm sure the second half is still Quartararo and Aleix Espargaro who will be the favorites in every race. Although there are likely to be a lot of surprises due to the difference in motor power.
I was a big fan of MotoGP before when big names were competing here,like Biaggi,Rossi,Lorenzo,Pedrosa and Marquez together with Stoner and Dovizioso at some point.These guys made me watch every race full of emotions while before the race I was impatient until the time for the race to come on Sunday.I have tried to watch again a couple of MotoGP races and I didn't find them as entertaining as they were when the big names mentioned above made races extremely beautiful and enjoyable to watch.I guess MotoGP needs new names,these ones that are racing now do not transmit to me even 10% of the emotions I felt when watching races with the names of riders above.
July 05, 2022, 07:59:15 AM
In the first half of this season, the one who got the most podiums was Fabio Quartararo with a collection of 6 podiums. And let's see together whether they will all dominate on the podium in the second half of the season in early August 2022
No dominance in eleven races. it's like last season. Of course Aleix Espargaro is a favorite competitor for Quartararo. Their points are getting closer because of the last draw Quartararo fell. Luckily Espargaro was still able to continue the race and finish in fourth position. Of course I'm sure the second half is still Quartararo and Aleix Espargaro who will be the favorites in every race. Although there are likely to be a lot of surprises due to the difference in motor power.
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July 05, 2022, 07:18:53 AM
The number of MotoGP riders who won the podium in the first 11 races of the 2022 season is 13 riders, including:
1. Enea Bastianini (Three Podium)
2. Brad Binder (One Podium)
3. Pol Espargaro (One Podium)
4. Miguel Oliveira (One Podium)
5. Fabio Quartararo (Six Podium)
6. Johann Zarco (Four Podium)
7. Aleix Espargaro (Five Podium)
8. Jorge Martin (Two Podium)
9. Alex Rins (Two Podium)
10. Jack Miller (Three Podium)
11. Francesco Bagnaia (Three Podium)
12. Marco Bezzecchi (One Podium)
13. Maverick Vinales (One Podium) Source: gpracingindonesia
In the first half of this season, the one who got the most podiums was Fabio Quartararo with a collection of 6 podiums. And let's see together whether they will all dominate on the podium in the second half of the season in early August 2022
1. Enea Bastianini (Three Podium)
2. Brad Binder (One Podium)
3. Pol Espargaro (One Podium)
4. Miguel Oliveira (One Podium)
5. Fabio Quartararo (Six Podium)
6. Johann Zarco (Four Podium)
7. Aleix Espargaro (Five Podium)
8. Jorge Martin (Two Podium)
9. Alex Rins (Two Podium)
10. Jack Miller (Three Podium)
11. Francesco Bagnaia (Three Podium)
12. Marco Bezzecchi (One Podium)
13. Maverick Vinales (One Podium) Source: gpracingindonesia
In the first half of this season, the one who got the most podiums was Fabio Quartararo with a collection of 6 podiums. And let's see together whether they will all dominate on the podium in the second half of the season in early August 2022
July 05, 2022, 05:17:26 AM
The halo has already saved the life of Hamilton before in the crash with Verstappen a couple of years ago when the Verstappen car stopped right ahead of Lewis head. That was a scary moment,and yesterday too it was because of the halo as we saw the car to make a lot of meters with the driver upside down and then jumping off the fence,scary moment.To think that most of the drivers were against it when it was implemented in the year 2016 if I recall correctly.
Yes, the halo has proven to be the best innovation in F1 for a long time. It has definitely saved lives, and yes including that incident where Verstappen parked on top of Lewis's head, and then flounced off in a rage without bothering to check if Lewis was still alive.Yesterday race although started boring it immediately became interesting for different events that happened,but overall Redbull remains the car to be beaten no matter good gains by Mercedes.
Another bad luck day for Leclerc. It must be difficult for him to remain motivated with how this season is going. Max seems unstoppable at the moment, unless Ferrari get their act together. Nice for Sainz to get his first win though, I suppose. July 04, 2022, 04:28:35 AM
Who is Verstappen's biggest rival in the championship since the beginning of the season? Leclerc. It is unbelievable that he lost the victory with a strategic error in this race, when he had clear victories like Monaco and Spain and a potential Azerbaijan victory. With this management, Ferrari can't even become a champion in karting. It would have been much better had Leclerc won the race. He was faster than Sainz with the broken wing. It would also be good for him to get a good score with Verstappen behind. His defense showed how strong he was.
July 04, 2022, 04:23:15 AM
A miracle, yes?
I also believe that every person who practices a high-risk sport like F1 needs to have a lot of faith and believe that they will always have a God or guardian angel watching over their safety.
I wouldn't call it miracle or help from God. It's level of engineering saved him. Without it, any miracle wouldn't help to save him in such crash.I also believe that every person who practices a high-risk sport like F1 needs to have a lot of faith and believe that they will always have a God or guardian angel watching over their safety.
Few more words about race. Leclerc have right to be furious. He still fighting for the title and he had perfect chance to reduce gap from Verstappen when he got little points. But no, Ferrari decided to gift win for Sainz.
July 04, 2022, 04:22:31 AM
Even though it's only been 11 races I think at the moment Epargaro is good enough to make things difficult for Quartararo. In several races he can always get points, and has been on the championship podium several times. It looks like Qurtararo has to be vigilant, he has to be consistent and think to keep getting points. Falling in the Sachsenring race cost him a lot of points and made the difference in points even smaller. Espargaro just needed some stability to get closer to Quartararo.
I'll straighten it out a bit, bro. Quartararo did not fall in the race at the Sachsenring, he was the winner of the race when the race took place at the Sachsenring. The one who fell at the Sachsenring was Bagnaia so Bagnaia did not get points in the race at the Sachsenring. And as far as I know for Espargaro who is in the Aprilia factory, he has only won one race this year, to be precise in the race in Argentina and the rest is only the third podium in a row so the points count looks so consistent.Quote
Then Regarding Marquez I am sad to see the scars from his surgery, it seems very painful. At first I was sure he would make the race more interesting, but he was injured. His luck was very bad with several falls and resulted in him having to miss the race.
For Marquez, who has undergone his fourth operation on an old injury, he is currently recovering slowly during this time off and occasionally goes to the fitness center to practice with his younger brother even if it is only with one hand. July 04, 2022, 03:45:08 AM
What a race yesterday, even if the Halo is ugly, it probably saved Zhou's life yesterday.
About the race itself, I'm very happy that Sainz celebrated his first victory after his first pole position. For Leclerc a pity but with the old tires you can not sufficiently defend. Also an excellent race by Perez and Verstappen has done damage control. The world championship still remains exciting, even if Verstappen has a comfortable lead, but the world championship still lasts a long time.
About the race itself, I'm very happy that Sainz celebrated his first victory after his first pole position. For Leclerc a pity but with the old tires you can not sufficiently defend. Also an excellent race by Perez and Verstappen has done damage control. The world championship still remains exciting, even if Verstappen has a comfortable lead, but the world championship still lasts a long time.
The halo has already saved the life of Hamilton before in the crash with Verstappen a couple of years ago when the Verstappen car stopped right ahead of Lewis head.That was a scary moment,and yesterday too it was because of the halo as we saw the car to make a lot of meters with the driver upside down and then jumping off the fence,scary moment.To think that most of the drivers were against it when it was implemented in the year 2016 if I recall correctly.
Yesterday race although started boring it immediately became interesting for different events that happened,but overall Redbull remains the car to be beaten no matter good gains by Mercedes.
July 04, 2022, 01:38:01 AM
What a race yesterday, even if the Halo is ugly, it probably saved Zhou's life yesterday.
About the race itself, I'm very happy that Sainz celebrated his first victory after his first pole position. For Leclerc a pity but with the old tires you can not sufficiently defend. Also an excellent race by Perez and Verstappen has done damage control. The world championship still remains exciting, even if Verstappen has a comfortable lead, but the world championship still lasts a long time.
About the race itself, I'm very happy that Sainz celebrated his first victory after his first pole position. For Leclerc a pity but with the old tires you can not sufficiently defend. Also an excellent race by Perez and Verstappen has done damage control. The world championship still remains exciting, even if Verstappen has a comfortable lead, but the world championship still lasts a long time.
July 03, 2022, 05:47:03 PM
Seemed to be an easy win for Verstappen. Bizarre today also the start with that accident. Fortunately, Zhou was unharmed. Verstappen and Hamilton in particular will be disappointed with the restart, because they both had a world start and moved forward. Verstappen had bad luck with the car, but Ferrari has often had bad luck in recent trips so you could call this justice. I think Red Bull is happy that Perez is still 2nd, to prevent Leclerc from getting closer to 1st place in the final standings.
It really was a weird race today. First of all i have to say that the team behind the F1 broadcast did a really good job with the accident of Zhou. They did not show any footage of the crash until they knew that Zhou was fine, which was a pretty classy act in my opinion even though of course i really wanted to see what happened.
Verstappen was pretty unlucky today as he has won the first start and was leading the race but because of that big crash and the red flag they had to do restart. Not only did he not win that start again he also got damage to his car and could only finish the race in the 7th position.
I am happy for Sainz for hist first win and also for Mick Schumacher for his first point.
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