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The sprint is today but it is on 16.30 European time so there is time until that.I think that Verstappen will have a very easy sprint race which will give him the top position in the end of the sprint and the first for tomorrow race only if he manages to get out first out of the first turn.Leclerc will probably go all in and attack him because he knows very well it will be the only chance to catch Verstappen,we all know that Redbull in race distance and especially with Verstappen is almost unstoppable,I have not yet seen any race that another car have overtaken Verstappen during a race.

Of course i totally forgot about the fact that we are having a sprint qualifying this race weekend and when i came home yesterday evening i was obviously surprised that it already happened. The result of the qualifying itself was not that surprising. With Verstappen on the pole position followed by Leclerc and Sainz we basically have the outcome that was probably expected by most people. Perez would have completed the completely expected result with P4 but he got that penalty and has to start from P13 now.
Also it was a pretty strong performance of Haas in the Qualfiying P6 and P7 are great results for them.

Vettel had a problem with the lines and his record was deleted, but even with that he was like 15th or 16th and wasn't doing fine. Aston Martin should stop whatever they are doing and start doing all they can to get it better, like literally design the whole car from scratch if you have to, this isn't just working.

You can't have Sebastian Vettel on your team and watch him get killed in all of this, dude deserves to be somewhere much better. If he stayed in Ferrari and he raised Charles with him as a veteran, Charles could have been much better today for example. It's just silly to see him racing for such a bad team, he deserves to be treated like a king right now.

Both Mercedes were in the aggressive move, which means very low high.

In this case, a minimal variation of the vacuum created under the car and you are unable to keep the car on the track.

They were fighting for the pole, they tried and got no luck.

I was at work, so, wasn't able to watch qualification. Not surprised about results at all. Perez lap time removed probably is good thing for neutral spectators - it means that's he probably will try to make sprint actually, there is potential to gain a lot position for him. Now I watch replay of Mercedes crashes - Russel did very typical mistake in this track, while Hamilton crash looks a bit strange.

All the timers for Perez have been removed, he did an invalid lap on Q2 so they removed all the Q3 times to.

This will be the official start.



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I missed Q1 and Q2 and caught a stream at the first red flag of Q3..   I forgot that it was going to be a sprint race with quali happening today instead of tomorrow.  But yeah, unfortunate for both Mercedes drivers.

And on the last runs after the second red flag, I really thought Leclerc had P1 in the bag when Verstappen had a slightly slower run at sector 1 and 2.  But surprisingly got pole after a decent last run at sector 3.

2022 F1 Austrian GP Qualifying Results

1   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m05.852s   1m05.374s   1m04.984s
2   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m05.419s   1m05.287s   1m05.013s
3   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m05.660s   1m05.576s   1m05.066s
4   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Bull Racing   1m06.143s   1m05.805s   1m05.404s
5   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m06.235s   1m05.697s   1m05.431s
6   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m06.468s   1m05.993s   1m05.726s
7   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   Haas F1 Team   1m06.366s   1m05.894s   1m05.879s
8   Mick Schumacher   GER   Haas F1 Team   1m06.405s   1m06.151s   1m06.011s
9   Fernando Alonso   ESP   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m06.016s   1m06.082s   1m06.103s
10   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m06.079s   1m05.475s   1m13.151s
11   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m06.589s   1m06.160s   
12   Alexander Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m06.516s   1m06.230s   
13   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m06.442s   1m06.319s   
14   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m06.463s   1m06.851s   
15   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m06.330s   1m25.847s   
16   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m06.613s       
17   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m06.847s       
18   Guanyu Zhou   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m06.901s       
19   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   1m07.003s       
20   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m07.083s   

Difficult to read that much into it I suppose after just one session. But I'd imagine the same as usual, Max and the Ferraris fighting for the top few places, with Mercedes and Perez in 4th to 6th, in whatever order.
Merc I think looked relatively good (or at least less bad) last time around, but that was a track that really suited their car. This track, not quite so much... the normal pecking order should be restored.

1   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m06.302s
2   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m06.447s
3   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m06.702s
4   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m06.839s
5   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m06.909s
6   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   Haas F1 Team   1m06.965s
7   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m07.039s
8   Fernando Alonso   ESP   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m07.100s
9   Mick Schumacher   GER   Haas F1 Team   1m07.246s
10   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m07.296s
11   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m07.431s
12   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m07.462s
13   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m07.476s
14   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m07.522s
15   Alexander Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m07.582s
16   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m07.592s
17   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m07.743s
18   Guanyu Zhou   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m07.889s
19   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   1m08.149s
20   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m09.915s

Source: https://www.crash.net/f1/results/1007485/1/f1-2022-austrian-grand-prix-free-practice-results-1


Remember we will have sprint qualifying so the qualify it will be today in 2 hour-ish

Thank you for giving your opinion on this. But you also need to know that for the COTA circuit or the one located in Texas and I often refer to it as the Austin circuit, it has always been dominated by Marc Marquez so he won there very often except in 2019 when he crashed while leading the race and another was this year when he pressed the wrong button on his motorbike at the start of the race which resulted in him slipping backwards and only being able to finish the race in 6th position.


I also thought that after seeing his condition from 2020 until this year where he has been very difficult to control the bike and has started to struggle to get wins in every race. And it's a different story if he no longer returns to racing which will eventually decide to retire, but for now everyone should think of him as an active MotoGP rider because he still hasn't retired even though he is absent for racing because he has to start his recovery again.

In order to overtake the legends of MotoGP with the number of victories you have to be present,race to your maximum and beat the competition.Unfortunately the damage that Marquez has received from his many many crashes is not reversible,he cannot be back to his best days when victory was to easy for him.It is a shame though as I don't enjoy much MotoGP now compared to the days when guys like Marquez,Rossi,Lorenzo and company were all fighting for victory,those were races that gave you emotions,I don't feel any with the actual riders.

Depends, several rumors were saying back on days that his career was over and he could not be competitive anymore.

We will see but, I don't think he will can beat it.

Lewis Hamilton HAD TO talk about last years Silverstone. He said he was happy to fight it out with Charles and he was great and it was fun to do it with someone who knows it. This is a direct insult to Max basically which is fine this is a sport and people trash talk that's fine. But at the same time, we are talking about something Max could have died, yes the cars are much safer these days but still a 51g could always leave a mark on you if you are not careful.

This means that Lewis just attacked Max for something he did (he wasn't on his apex, hence why he got a penalty for 10 seconds) that could have resulted with Max's death. I am sorry but that's not trash talk, that's being a bad person.

In my own opinion, I don't think Marc Marquez will return to racing after his recovery from surgery. Man, has had one too man crashes. He has pushed his limits. To me his career has ended. His last best performance was in 2015 COTA. So back to your question, he is not going to overtake the number of wins for both of Valentino Rossi and Giacomo Agostini because I do not think he is coming back.

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In terms of the number of victories, Valentino Rossi is still the most even though Giacomo Agostini is the one who is able to win 15 world titles in MotoGP.
The question is whether Marc Marquez is able to overtake the number of wins for both of them (Valentino Rossi and Giacomo Agostini) after he recovers from surgery and returns to racing as usual?
Because considering that Valentino Rossi and Giacomo Agostini have both retired and become legends in MotoGP, there will be no additional wins for both of them.

The sprint race is really important as that is the qualifying in this round.In a track like this one where Redbull is racing at home it will be extremely important for Ferrari to start in front of Redbull otherwise it will be very difficult for them to pass them in the race because we know in the race distance Redbull so far is the fastest car.In these tracks we are racing now,medium to slow speed ones it is vital for Ferrari to win in these tracks in order to keep fighting for the F1 title because after such tracks we will move to very fast ones like SPA,Monza and a couple others where Redbull will be a huge favorite,so if Ferrari does not win in these upcoming somewhat slow tracks it can be the end of their fight for the title.

It's a shame to see that Leclerc "left" the race when Verstapen was 13 seconds behind his rival.
Even so, I believe that the Dutchman has a real chance to take that position and go on to victory. But... every circuit is a surprise and there is no way to predict anything in F1.
I think it is very difficult for Lecler to win, despite the impressive result in this last race (until he leaves), in a general scenario Leclerc is not doing very well.

We are in the middle of the season now. Leclerc is still 43 points behind Verstappen for the championship and Perez is also another hindrance for him to get over. The result of the previous race would have been much different for Leclerc if the team didn't do meaningless things for him. Leclerc has another race ahead to hope for melting the gap with Verstappen this week. However it is really difficult to find a chance for him like Verstappen would have a really bad race. However Leclerc can still win an extra advantage in the sprint race also.

I just learned on reddit that the first ever F1 that Zhou's family attended was this one :/ That is a damn shame, they wanted to see their kid race in F1 live for the first time, and for a short span I am sure that they were afraid their kid was gone, literally dead.

That type of scare could leave a huge scar in a family, even if Zhou came out of that without even a scratch, dude was literally ready to race again if you gave him a car, he was THAT healthy, which goes to show you have safe these cars are. But even with that, seeing such a thing must have been traumatic for the family. I hope that they could find comfort in the fact that even after such a horrible looking crash, he was out.

Yes, but he started with the red tires so he had a lot more grip due to the hotter tires.

And we don't know how long those tires could be used, Max was the only one with red tires.