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Quote from: indah rezqi on June 05, 2022, 09:56:32 AM

I thought at that time he had a problem with the bike, but apparently he didn't know he was on the last lap. How ridiculous.
But because of this incident, A. Espargaro became the most discussed rider.
Congratulations to Fabio Quartararo with an average top speed of 337Km/h, being able to outperform his opponent by 6 seconds.

I was really wondering, what was going on with Aleix? Fortunately for him, he realized early enough that it's not over yet and that he still has one lap to go. I'm curious whether the Aprilia team is make a joke and the next race gives him the message on the dashboard "Last lap" or "One Mode Lap Aleix".

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Quote from: LGD2Business on June 05, 2022, 08:16:24 AM

The accident on the first lap was spoiled, all three riders were out of the race. Then there were accidents and the number of finishers decreased. But the highlight of the day was Aleix Espargaró, who slowed down thinking the race was over. There was still one more lap in the race, but he started to take a victory lap as if the race was over. The lack of headphones for team communication in Moto GP causes such incidents. It was a tragic event. Congratulations to Fabio Quartararo, who won the race.

The collision itself started when the race was just starting Takaaki Nakagami made a mistake, and he was too fast at the first corner and made him crash into Alex Rins and Francesco Bagnaia. And it was reported that Rins and Nakagami were taken to the medical center.
Very unexpected with what happened to Aleix Espargaro and perhaps communication problems that kept him out of focus, and congratulations also to Fabio Quartararo for being the race leader in the Catalunya MotoGP.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on June 05, 2022, 05:57:30 AM

Once wait and see how Marc is really doing after the surgery, but don't think he will come back as strong as before after this injury series, but just wait and see.

I don't think that Marc will be as strong as he used to be after recovering from his 4th operation, because every rider who has been injured will always find it difficult to get back to their best in MotoGP.

Quote from: Koal-84 on June 05, 2022, 07:04:45 AM

Very bitter for Bagnaia in the fight for the world championship, innocently crashed. But that's just the way it is when bad luck comes along. So the victory today will probably be decided between Aleix and Fabio. Once wait and see whether the tires hold with all, track temperature is over 55 degrees Celsius.

Bagnaia was just unlucky to get hit by Nakagami's crash which means Bagnaia has to accept the consequences, because it was an unintentional accident.
And after that Nakagami was immediately taken to the hospital for a check on his body and health.

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I thought at that time he had a problem with the bike, but apparently he didn't know he was on the last lap. How ridiculous.
But because of this incident, A. Espargaro became the most discussed rider.
Congratulations to Fabio Quartararo with an average top speed of 337Km/h, being able to outperform his opponent by 6 seconds.

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Congratulations Quartararo you are the champion today, you shot far ahead and your race went perfectly. Currently Fabio has 147 pins a difference of 22 points from espargaro. Mybe if Espargaro not make fatal eror the gap is small point.
The funny thing is Espargaro, you're celebrating in an inopportune time. There was still one lap left, he was already waving his hands confidently because he was about to take the podium. I laughed at this, although when I saw him crying I was also sad. Espargaro's fatal error earned him a fifth-place finish.

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The accident on the first lap was spoiled, all three riders were out of the race. Then there were accidents and the number of finishers decreased. But the highlight of the day was Aleix Espargaró, who slowed down thinking the race was over. There was still one more lap in the race, but he started to take a victory lap as if the race was over. The lack of headphones for team communication in Moto GP causes such incidents. It was a tragic event. Congratulations to Fabio Quartararo, who won the race.

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What should we feel about Aleix Espargaro? He loss some points because he thought that the race was finished already while in fact there was 1 last lap need to go.
He celebrated too early, he felt that he took the 2nd position already but he was really wrong.
I have no idea why he did such a small mistake but with a huge impact for him.
It is funny moment, unfortunate moment but also a really sad moment for A. Espargaro.

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Very bitter for Bagnaia in the fight for the world championship, innocently crashed. But that's just the way it is when bad luck comes along. So the victory today will probably be decided between Aleix and Fabio. Once wait and see whether the tires hold with all, track temperature is over 55 degrees Celsius.

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Yes, I think Marc's career is over, I don't think he will be able to continue his successes after his serious injury.

There are many accurate examples in the past where riders who have suffered serious injuries are no longer competitive in terms of performance in the race so the same thing will probably be experienced by Marc this season as well as next season.

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After the qualifying there are no surprises for me, the currently best 3 drivers are again at the front of the starting-lineup. Will be an exciting race I think.

The 3 riders who are on the front grid today are those who got on the podium in last week's race at Mugello, so for today's race it will obviously be very fierce because considering that the three of them must always hunt for the highest podium in order to get more points due to the distance points fellow racers in the standings while not so much.

Once wait and see how Marc is really doing after the surgery, but don't think he will come back as strong as before after this injury series, but just wait and see.

The 3 riders on the front row are also the favorites for the world title, only Aleix is a surprise but I like for Aprilia.

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I don't know why Marc is trying to get back in his glory shape, because we can all see that it is not possible anymore and he should retire if he really cares about his health and life. Right now , the fact that he is trying and pushing himself and doesn't get results , will only make him more reckless in his driving and with that arm suffering a 3rd or 4th intervention , he should really listen to doctors and simply retire as he's already a legend in moto gp.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on June 04, 2022, 11:56:16 PM

Yes, I think Marc's career is over, I don't think he will be able to continue his successes after his serious injury.

There are many accurate examples in the past where riders who have suffered serious injuries are no longer competitive in terms of performance in the race so the same thing will probably be experienced by Marc this season as well as next season.

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After the qualifying there are no surprises for me, the currently best 3 drivers are again at the front of the starting-lineup. Will be an exciting race I think.

The 3 riders who are on the front grid today are those who got on the podium in last week's race at Mugello, so for today's race it will obviously be very fierce because considering that the three of them must always hunt for the highest podium in order to get more points due to the distance points fellow racers in the standings while not so much.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on June 04, 2022, 11:56:16 PM

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Is his career over?

Yes, I think Marc's career is over, I don't think he will be able to continue his successes after his serious injury.

I also think so, it's been 2 seasons Marc has not been able to show his best performance after his injury incident in 2020

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After the qualifying there are no surprises for me, the currently best 3 drivers are again at the front of the starting-lineup. Will be an exciting race I think.

The front three drivers who will fill the starting grid in this weekend's race are nothing surprising because these three drivers are the best at the moment.
but Aleix Espargaró is the driver I look up to the most, he is the rider with the most consistent podium finishes this season and this is a revival for the Aprillia team this season.
Aleix Espargaró controlled FP until qualifying, I think he is a strong candidate to win the Catalunya race.

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Is his career over?

Yes, I think Marc's career is over, I don't think he will be able to continue his successes after his serious injury.

After the qualifying there are no surprises for me, the currently best 3 drivers are again at the front of the starting-lineup. Will be an exciting race I think.

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A very extraordinary thing has been inscribed by the Aprilia factory yesterday starting from FP1 which put Maverick Vinales in second, after that in FP2, FP3 and FP4 led by teammate Alex Espargaro who is also from Aprilia.
Likewise in Q1 where Aprilia also dominated it through Maverick Vinales and Alex Espargaro proved himself to be the best in Q2 thus placing himself on pole position for today.
I think today Aprilia will get on the podium again, and can even win if she doesn't make mistakes or when others make mistakes in the race.

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Quote from: dezoel on June 04, 2022, 05:09:00 PM

Next week is Baku, as we all know the races in Baku are quite entertaining ones and I am guessing that it is one of the few city tracks that are left which is fun. Last year was insane for example, Max suddenly going out of the race without anything happening just because his tire blew up out of nowhere, and Lewis having such a horrible break situation and "magic button" incident and him being out of top 10 which was the first time in many years.

This is what I am expecting from this race too, not exactly the same thing, but something unexpected happening. That is what Baku is known for (and that tight corner) and if unexpected stuff happens, it will be fun again.

Baku will tell a lot, it should be an easy win for Redbull.
Ferrari has the fastest car where drag is the key point.

Baku is a fast track and a lot of fast tracks will came later, if they can't find a way to fight in Baku the race for the title is already won by RBR.

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Next week is Baku, as we all know the races in Baku are quite entertaining ones and I am guessing that it is one of the few city tracks that are left which is fun. Last year was insane for example, Max suddenly going out of the race without anything happening just because his tire blew up out of nowhere, and Lewis having such a horrible break situation and "magic button" incident and him being out of top 10 which was the first time in many years.

This is what I am expecting from this race too, not exactly the same thing, but something unexpected happening. That is what Baku is known for (and that tight corner) and if unexpected stuff happens, it will be fun again.

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The Monaco GP was no different than a nightmare for Charles Leclerc indeed. I think that he would win that race definitely unless there was a big problem like engine failure etc.. His pace was incredibly good until that incident. He wasn't having a big problem on opening the gap more with the other drivers. I think that this mistake was absolutely Ferrari's not anyone else's. They should have made their plan properly according to the situation. They caused Leclerc to lose so much time and caused him to finish the race at the fourth spot barely.

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Was it a mistake? Sure.
Was it a Ferrari Mistake? Not so sure, to me was a Sainz mistake.
About RBR, did they go against the rules? Sure
Should they get both a penalty? Sure
Did they "change" the regulation for the second time after gifting the title to Max the past year? Yes.

Again... It's just another case that Ferrari should just own up to their mistakes, whatever they may be and whoever may have caused it. I mean it's not the first time their team has botched a race because of questionable calls. I was surprised that there were Binotto memes all over Reddit among the realest F1 fans saying 'they're at it again.'.

And listen to the audio in Leclerc's radio comm with the team. The double command showed that the pressure was onto the team and they were starting to break down. And true enough, they did. Leclerc was the best guy out there that weekend and his team let him down.

They lost a whole season because of mistakes like this, they have been horrible for a long time, at least 6 years by my calculation. They need to get rid of Binotto first, that is the culprit, if they get rid of him, then whoever comes next could end up working harder and maybe end up getting some new people every position.

I doubt that the problem is with the people who change the tires, they are good enough, it is the strategists that make the mistakes. This means that if you change Binotto, 2 race engineers, and one strategist, then those 4 could bring them the title. But as long as they have these ones, I do not think that it would work at all.

Yup, it would suck for Leclerc if he couldn't win the driver's championship this season. He's really deserving as he seems to be the quickest in most of these races so far. Now he knows how it is to be like in Vettel's shoes. Ferrari 2018 man... That was a season to remember as it was mostly downhill for Vettel after that year.

And in hindsight, it was partly Leclerc's inexperience that cost him the win. I think if he really had a feel for what's going on out there, he would do it like Sainz and stay out and go straight to slicks. There are some write ups that Hamilton did the same during 2016 with success. It's hard to overtake in Monaco so... might as well.

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Quote from: swogerino on June 04, 2022, 02:10:24 AM

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Is his career over?

Even if it is not the fact that he made 4th surgeries to the same arm after the accident says a lot about him not being able to compete at 100% of his capacity never again against really new talented riders.That is a big obstacle to him,he may win a couple of races but it is a sure thing that he will have extreme difficulties to win a title in MotoGP anymore.These circumstances may force him to retire and so his career to be over,which I hope it does not happen now or soon from now,I hope to see him racing again and hopefully maybe this 4th surgery is his final one.

I also hope so because in the past Marc competed very often at the front and gave fierce competition in all races, but with repeated operations on the same bone, it is clear that this is an obstacle for him and also for the manufacturers who still oversee him. at this time, especially with the very frequent crashes, making it very difficult for Marc and his team to develop the engine components that the manufacturer wants at this time.

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Is his career over?

Even if it is not the fact that he made 4th surgeries to the same arm after the accident says a lot about him not being able to compete at 100% of his capacity never again against really new talented riders.That is a big obstacle to him,he may win a couple of races but it is a sure thing that he will have extreme difficulties to win a title in MotoGP anymore.These circumstances may force him to retire and so his career to be over,which I hope it does not happen now or soon from now,I hope to see him racing again and hopefully maybe this 4th surgery is his final one.

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