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Quote from: tokeweed on March 25, 2022, 07:23:38 PM

I mean if either Red Bull car finishes either first or second in qualifying and the race, does that mean they're cheating again? Loading the car with less fuel than required as per the rules to make the car 'lighter' is cheating.

I'm not convinced that they were running less fuel, that would clearly be cheating and they'd be likely to get found out. I don't think RB would do that.
I might be wrong of course, but I think this might just be comments taken out of context. RB said the issue was that there was no fuel, but they didn't mean the cars were empty, but rather that there was an issue with the fuel pumps that meant they couldn't get the fuel to the engine. At least that's what I think they're saying. But it's odd that it happened so suddenly, so it maybe there is a deeper problem with the car that they're trying to hide. But I'm not convinced they're cheating.

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Quote from: Fakhrulenclix on March 25, 2022, 07:17:47 AM

It would be a shame if Marc Marquez could not perform at the COTA Austin circuit in Texas, because at this circuit Marc is very strong, he has experienced six wins in a row from 2013 to 2018 and even last year 2021 when Marc's performance was still under his best performance because of the injury he was still able to win the Race at the COTA circuit.

The COTA circuit in Austin Texas is Marquez's favorite circuit and from the data that has been recorded in history it is very clear that the Honda manufacturer has always been more dominant there even in 2019 Marquez was also in front even though he ended up having a crash.
But in general he is able to leave his opponents with a very large gap if he races at the COTA Circuit in Austin Texas and this is something that cannot be denied.

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In two races, especially Moto2, Celestino Vietti from the Mooney VR46 Racing team looks very consistent in reaching the podium so I am starting to believe that he will be a candidate for Moto2 world champion this season if he can continue to be consistent in the next few races.
Because before the Moto2 Race this season started there were some people who said that a Moto2 Rookie like Pedro Acosta would give more surprises this season and could even become a Moto2 World Champion candidate this season, but in the two races that have taken place I don't see there was a surprise that came from a Pedro Acosta.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on March 25, 2022, 07:18:37 PM

Quote from: tokeweed on March 25, 2022, 07:05:31 PM

So does that mean the Alpha Tauri had a human miscalculation in their fuel volume too and had to do the same bs cover story? If the Skysport.it tech guy is right then I think it's actually good news imho. It means there's really nothing wrong with the cars or the engines.

Yep but if he is right think about the following.
Redbull did all the race with less fuel.

10kg of fuel is calculated in almost 3/10 for a lap on that track.

Adding the missing fuel, Redbull could be 2/10 of a second slower for every lap of the race.

^ That's why I was saying Red Bull should be penalized and fined. But why is the FIA not doing an investigation about the whole thing?

And does that mean Red Bull should be slower than they currently are rn? I mean if either Red Bull car finishes either first or second in qualifying and the race, does that mean they're cheating again? Loading the car with less fuel than required as per the rules to make the car 'lighter' is cheating.

And can you post a link or an article where the Skysports.it tech guy said that Red Bull is cheating? This should be taken more seriously imo.

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In the first two free practices, two drivers at the top were the same. Leclerc led both of them and Verstappen was right behind him by a small gap. It looks like it is going to be a lot of fun to watch these two youngsters competing with each other in the whole season.

And I have heard that Leclerc found himself in the wall too thus I hope he won't have any problem on joining the qualifying session. This track is really tricky and hard. You can hit the wall so easily even if you lose your focus for a moment.

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Quote from: tokeweed on March 25, 2022, 07:05:31 PM

So does that mean the Alpha Tauri had a human miscalculation in their fuel volume too and had to do the same bs cover story? If the Skysport.it tech guy is right then I think it's actually good news imho. It means there's really nothing wrong with the cars or the engines.

Yep but if he is right think about the following.
Redbull did all the race with less fuel.

10kg of fuel is calculated in almost 3/10 for a lap on that track.

Adding the missing fuel, Redbull could be 2/10 of a second slower for every lap of the race.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on March 25, 2022, 02:20:12 PM

Quote from: tokeweed on March 25, 2022, 11:31:48 AM

Red Bull said that? I think what they said was there was a lack in fuel pressure in both of their cars caused by some technical problem. But both cars had the right amount of fuel in them. A team running

No, the tech guy of Skyport.it said that he also said what was said from RBR is a BS to cover the human miscalculation, he looked at the telemetry and noticed the not normal fuel saving from RBR.

Free practice 2

Source: https://sport.sky.it/formula-1/2022/03/25/formula-1-gp-arabia-saudita-diretta-prove-libere-jeddah

So does that mean the Alpha Tauri had a human miscalculation in their fuel volume too and had to do the same bs cover story? If the Skysport.it tech guy is right then I think it's actually good news imho. It means there's really nothing wrong with the cars or the engines.

Anyway another Verstappen - Leclerc finish. But keep in mind that Verstappen ran the mediums for FP2, the hards for FP1 while Leclerc ran all softs. From a betting perspective it could be good to take a little action Verstappen to get pole in qualifying. What do you guys think?

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The problem for RedBull was something related to the "vacuum in the injection of the fuel" there should not be any damage on the engine or batteries.

(Big good news if it is true since they can only use 3 of them, each)

this news is valid and reportedly the red bull team has resolved this and this technical error will not be repeated in the saudi GP later. btw, in the Saudi GP training session, Leclerc was in the first position and Verstappen was in the second position, the competition between the two of them was very fierce.

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I think in this track the Pole is going to Redbull considering the past performance of last race here plus the top speed is key factor here and Redbull is somewhat better than Ferrari or at least it looked like that in the first race.

What I am happy about is the confirmation of Ferrari as it is a sure thing now that we are going to see a great F1 Championship this year with intense battles fought each race,Ferrari is strong but not as strong as to win every race with good race gaps so the show is guaranteed up until now,if Mercedes and McLaren (unfortunately doing really bad) join the party the F1 Championship will only get even more beautiful and intense.

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Today's training had an extraordinary event - bombing.
Huti are fighting with Saudi Arabia, and one of their rockets hit Aramco factory, 15-20km from the track.

https://twitter.com/WorldNewsIL/status/1507369303020118016
https://twitter.com/motorsportswiat/status/1507378143392374793

Another bombing took place during the 2nd session

https://twitter.com/cesarsaancheez_/status/1507422765275566081

Unofficial information are that F1 allowed teams to make the decision if they want to race in that conditions, but drivers are not allowed to talk about it.

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Quote from: tokeweed on March 25, 2022, 11:31:48 AM

Red Bull said that? I think what they said was there was a lack in fuel pressure in both of their cars caused by some technical problem. But both cars had the right amount of fuel in them. A team running

No, the tech guy of Skyport.it said that he also said what was said from RBR is a BS to cover the human miscalculation, he looked at the telemetry and noticed the not normal fuel saving from RBR.

Free practice 2

Source: https://sport.sky.it/formula-1/2022/03/25/formula-1-gp-arabia-saudita-diretta-prove-libere-jeddah

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During the free practice, Sky was talking about the problem of the past week of Redbull, according to them RBR did the math wrong and went out of fuel on both cars.

Red Bull said that? I think what they said was there was a lack in fuel pressure in both of their cars caused by some technical problem. But both cars had the right amount of fuel in them. A team running out of fuel in a race means they should get at least a penalty for the next race and a fine.

Vettel is still a no show. Maybe too embarassed to feel better and drive a worse car than they had last year. Cheesy

Edit: Is that pic accurate? It says Verstappen used the soft. I watched FP1 live and it said he had the hard on for his fastest lap.

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Quote from: bestcoins1 on March 25, 2022, 06:30:44 AM

Given that there are two races that will take place in America and are very close and there is no long pause after the Race in Argentina on April 3 and then continued with the Austin Race in Texas on April 10, it is possible that Marquez will absent in order to cure his concussion and diplopia injury.

I read if Michelin refused if their tyres had problems and were the cause of Marquez's fall. I am now waiting for a statement from Honda, what is the problem? or on human problems? I dont know.
Of course, Marquez will make the American series a little boring for Marquez fans. But it's a healing process, Marquez is still young so I think the twist for two or three series doesn't matter because someone's life is more important than anything that happens in the race. But I hope he recovers soon so that he can come back and not lose many points.

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The problem with Red Bull is that they are still "working" with Honda, but not really working either. This is not a topic that I am very well versed in, so take this with a grain of salt and do your own research. But from what I understood, they are not providing anything new, and just left the factory to Red Bull to work on. It's still their engine, but Red Bull is now working on it themselves, Honda gave them that right. This way Red Bull would own the honda f1 engine factory that they use. I could be wrong, the details are a bit fuzzy, but as far as I know, it's not really improving and the mistakes could continue if this is the case.

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1st hour down with always LEC-Ver at stop.

During the free practice, Sky was talking about the problem of the past week of Redbull, according to them RBR did the math wrong and went out of fuel on both cars.

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^ Yeah... Come to think about it Red Bull could always find a fix since they have an excellent team and rebound from last weekend's terrible showing. But getting absolutely zero points is a huge loss imho. It's like cutting off a limb almost esp if Ferrari is consistent for the whole season.

From a betting perspective, I'd take Verstappen for the rebound but would I bet it? Nope. Lol. Not until the reliability issues are fixed...

Anyway FP1 in 30 mins guys.

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Quote from: tokeweed on March 22, 2022, 04:46:51 PM

The outrights on who wins the driver's championship and the constructor's championship will prolly be close between Verstappen and Leclerc with maybe Leclerc and Ferrari slightly favored. Having no points in the first race is a huge blow for their campaign this year. Yuuuge.

I'm still not sure which is the better car, RB or Ferrari, but they're obviously close. It's quite difficult to evaluate. I'd say Leclerc and Verstappen are pretty evenly matched as to who is the better driver, with Sainz behind them, and Perez behind Sainz... which is how it was playing out in the race.

If it stays that way, it could come down to which team has better in-season development, for which I'd maybe favour RB over Ferrari.

Not sure how much of an issue the first race retirement will be over a 23 race season, but yeah it's certainly not a help.

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Quote from: bestcoins1 on March 25, 2022, 06:30:44 AM

Given that there are two races that will take place in America and are very close and there is no long pause after the Race in Argentina on April 3 and then continued with the Austin Race in Texas on April 10, it is possible that Marquez will absent in order to cure his concussion and diplopia injury.

It would be a shame if Marc Marquez could not perform at the COTA Austin circuit in Texas, because at this circuit Marc is very strong, he has experienced six wins in a row from 2013 to 2018 and even last year 2021 when Marc's performance was still under his best performance because of the injury he was still able to win the Race at the COTA circuit.

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Marquez's participation in Argentina and Austin later is unfortunately threatened. The reason is, the eight-time world champion had a terrible accident in the Mandalika MotoGP warm-up session on Sunday (20/3/2022) morning. He suffered a concussion, and his diplopia, aka double vision, recurred.

Bradl said he would be ready if called upon to replace him, and left all decisions to Honda. "I was wondering about this in Lombok once I saw Marc fly in the air due to a highside in the warm-up session. But Honda will give an official statement about this opportunity at some point," he said.
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Given that there are two races that will take place in America and are very close and there is no long pause after the Race in Argentina on April 3 and then continued with the Austin Race in Texas on April 10, it is possible that Marquez will absent in order to cure his concussion and diplopia injury.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on March 24, 2022, 03:55:48 AM

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According to

https://www.formulapassion.it/motorsport/formula-1/f1-team/doppio-ritiro-red-bull-marko-ha-la-spiegazione-f1-verstappen-perez-609942.html

The problem for RedBull was something related to the "vacuum in the injection of the fuel" there should not be any damage on the engine or batteries.

(Big good news if it is true since they can only use 3 of them, each)

TBH they could probably take enough engine change penalties to start at the back of the grid, then during the race overtake everyone else to end up P3 and P4 behind the Ferraris... such is the RB and Ferrari pace advantage at the moment. But I'm hoping the gap will close over time, as it's often biggest at the start of new regs, I remember the ludicrous Merc advantage at the start of the last era, that was then slowly reduced.

Seems like it won't be needed. It was just one part of the engine that had a problem and they fixed it, or that is what is said right now. If they once again face such a big problem then they would have to fix it and get it better of course, but that doesn't mean that we should be expecting them to change the whole engine for the time being. For now, they will start normally, with the hopes that the problem is fixed, and they will fight to win the race.

We all know that they are great at street races and Ferrari seems to be the ones to beat this year (has been long enough) and I believe that they will probably have a great race against each other. I am hopeful about HAAS as well, that will be interesting to watch.

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