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Quote from: Bitinity on June 27, 2022, 12:56:49 AM

Aleix Espargaro did it really great after the crash because of Quartararo. He was down to 15th (if I remember it correctly) but finished in 4th with a great moment in the last turn before finish by overtake Jack Miller and Brad Binder. I think Aleix could be the winner of the race if there was no crash or maybe if there are at least 3-4 laps more. Pecco almost without pressure since the start of the race, the crash between Aleix and Quartararo was absolutely an advantage for him. The result of the race makes the competition for the championship become more attractive as Aleix is getting closed to Quartararo in the standing.

Aleix Espargaro is only 21 points different from Quartararo in the standings and one more thing for Pecco where he has also started to appear in the standings even though he is still in fourth place with a difference of 66 points with Quartararo. But on the other hand Valentino Rossi is also very happy because two Italian riders (one of whom is a rookie of the year) were able to get 1 & 2 podiums at Assen Netherland, both of whom were also educated in the VR46 academy even though Pecco was already in the factory Ducati team.

The next race will probably go directly to Silverstone, England, because the Kymiring race in Finland has been cancelled. Hopefully there will be more exciting competition at the time of the race.

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Ferrari still has a lot of work to do. In fact, Red Bull of the top teams only seems to have its affairs in order now. Mercedes was disappointing at the start of the season and is still disappointing. Every race they should be happy if they fall into the points, and Hamilton will be happy if he can be on the podium with a 3rd place. That was different in recent years, of course. I don't see Mercedes solving this problem just like that. The gap to Red Bull and Ferrari is huge at the moment. Leclerc will be very disappointed with his retirements.

Worse than that is a disappointing truth...
As soon as the season started I believed that Ferrari had the ideal car to shine again on the podiums, but this enthusiasm soon turned to disappointment.
I would like to believe that the big problem this year was the radical changes imposed on the teams, but nothing justifies so many problems.
This is going to be a pretty unpredictable season, so it's best to hold on to your enthusiasm and save your chips for the next season.

@alegotardo I’ll second that after all the hype created by Ferrari they have totally disappointed their fans, and now I believe that it’s best to wager against them because I don’t think that they’ll win the championship this season. Furthermore depending on the odds wagering on Max only makes sense as he’s bound to win the maximum races this season, and I’m no longer expecting miracles from Ferrari to instantly fix their problems.

I think it is early to make these statements,the perfect time to make that statement that Max is going to win the most races during this season is after the three upcoming races which are not favoring Redbull at all.If Ferrari is able to make the most out of these tracks then most probably we will be in a situation where the chances to win the F1 Championship will be equal between a Ferrari driver and a Redbull driver.For this to happen though in these three races Ferrari needs to be impeccable and make 0 mistakes in their strategy during the race and also hopefully the reliability problem to be fixed.If this does not happen it is only natural that Max then will win the most number of races during this season.

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Quote from: alegotardo on June 26, 2022, 06:18:21 PM

Quote from: Zackgeno96 on June 26, 2022, 03:50:35 PM

Ferrari still has a lot of work to do. In fact, Red Bull of the top teams only seems to have its affairs in order now. Mercedes was disappointing at the start of the season and is still disappointing. Every race they should be happy if they fall into the points, and Hamilton will be happy if he can be on the podium with a 3rd place. That was different in recent years, of course. I don't see Mercedes solving this problem just like that. The gap to Red Bull and Ferrari is huge at the moment. Leclerc will be very disappointed with his retirements.

Worse than that is a disappointing truth...
As soon as the season started I believed that Ferrari had the ideal car to shine again on the podiums, but this enthusiasm soon turned to disappointment.
I would like to believe that the big problem this year was the radical changes imposed on the teams, but nothing justifies so many problems.
This is going to be a pretty unpredictable season, so it's best to hold on to your enthusiasm and save your chips for the next season.

@alegotardo I’ll second that after all the hype created by Ferrari they have totally disappointed their fans, and now I believe that it’s best to wager against them because I don’t think that they’ll win the championship this season. Furthermore depending on the odds wagering on Max only makes sense as he’s bound to win the maximum races this season, and I’m no longer expecting miracles from Ferrari to instantly fix their problems.

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From the start I wasn't sure about Quartararo and it happened. Quartararo fell, he seemed to have pushed his way through the inside a bit. He looks like he wants to get into second place. Not only once after changing the bike he fell again in the same place. Only then did he stop dropping out of the race.

That bend 5 makes him desperate, I don't know how he feels when crashing in the same place. Quartararo uses a different strategy for this time, maybe he wants to improve but it's not perfect until he can't overtake Espargaro and fail. But he is still on top with 172 points, in the 2nd is Espargaro with 151 points (for 4th position)

Aleix Espargaro did it really great after the crash because of Quartararo. He was down to 15th (if I remember it correctly) but finished in 4th with a great moment in the last turn before finish by overtake Jack Miller and Brad Binder. I think Aleix could be the winner of the race if there was no crash or maybe if there are at least 3-4 laps more. Pecco almost without pressure since the start of the race, the crash between Aleix and Quartararo was absolutely an advantage for him. The result of the race makes the competition for the championship become more attractive as Aleix is getting closed to Quartararo in the standing.

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Quote from: Luzin on June 26, 2022, 10:17:06 AM

From the start I wasn't sure about Quartararo and it happened. Quartararo fell, he seemed to have pushed his way through the inside a bit. He looks like he wants to get into second place. Not only once after changing the bike he fell again in the same place. Only then did he stop dropping out of the race.

That bend 5 makes him desperate, I don't know how he feels when crashing in the same place. Quartararo uses a different strategy for this time, maybe he wants to improve but it's not perfect until he can't overtake Espargaro and fail. But he is still on top with 172 points, in the 2nd is Espargaro with 151 points (for 4th position)

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Quote from: Zackgeno96 on June 26, 2022, 03:50:35 PM

Ferrari still has a lot of work to do. In fact, Red Bull of the top teams only seems to have its affairs in order now. Mercedes was disappointing at the start of the season and is still disappointing. Every race they should be happy if they fall into the points, and Hamilton will be happy if he can be on the podium with a 3rd place. That was different in recent years, of course. I don't see Mercedes solving this problem just like that. The gap to Red Bull and Ferrari is huge at the moment. Leclerc will be very disappointed with his retirements.

Worse than that is a disappointing truth...
As soon as the season started I believed that Ferrari had the ideal car to shine again on the podiums, but this enthusiasm soon turned to disappointment.
I would like to believe that the big problem this year was the radical changes imposed on the teams, but nothing justifies so many problems.
This is going to be a pretty unpredictable season, so it's best to hold on to your enthusiasm and save your chips for the next season.

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Quote from: Zackgeno96 on June 26, 2022, 03:50:35 PM

Ferrari still has a lot of work to do. In fact, Red Bull of the top teams only seems to have its affairs in order now. Mercedes was disappointing at the start of the season and is still disappointing. Every race they should be happy if they fall into the points, and Hamilton will be happy if he can be on the podium with a 3rd place. That was different in recent years, of course. I don't see Mercedes solving this problem just like that. The gap to Red Bull and Ferrari is huge at the moment. Leclerc will be very disappointed with his retirements.

I would like to make a big mistake, but I think that only Ferrari in the person of Leclerc can still impose a fight on Red Bull in the person of Max Verstappen for the Formula 1 champion title. Just for this, Ferrari needs to solve problems with the reliability of its car and it seems that there is still time for this, even if not so much and coming the races will be decisive in this sense. Still, in general, losing points due to a car going off the track in the middle of the season due to ongoing problems with engine reliability is not the case, in theory, it's time now to simply eliminate minor roughness. By the way, Ferrari's F1 client cars also have reliability problems. I also think that Mercedes is able to solve problems with its cars and claim podiums and even victories in the remaining races, but I agree with the team leader Toto Wolff that the train has already left and there is no chance of winning the championship anymore.

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Quote from: Pulsar77 on June 26, 2022, 03:51:11 PM

We are going to have another Grand Prix in Silverstone next weekend and I'm getting more excited day by day. This time Hamilton's chance to win the race seems very low unfortunately. Mercedes are newly recovering and the latest change in the regulation would take some time for Mercedes to start being able to compete with the biggest teams in the grid now. As long as we don't see big surprises in this race it isn't happening this time for sure. For the victory, I'm favouring Leclerc despite having problems lately.

Not sure if Ferrari should be better than Redbull in Silverstone.

We will have high-speed turns, and Ferrari is the best car for low-speed turns, we will see.

Also the weather, rain is a possibility.

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Quote from: FanEagle on June 26, 2022, 03:43:47 PM

The fact that Ferrari changed their engine before Silverstone shows that they are really meaning business this race and winning there is a big win, that's not an ordinary race, winning Silverstone is special for all drivers, just like monaco and few other places which are special for F1 to race. In the end, even with a new engine, if they do some silly pitstop mistakes that they will not end up with a win and they will lose out even with a better car, so they need to be careful.

I do not remember many times Red Bull pit wall made any mistakes, their strategies are always impeccable, maybe a few mistakes in history that I can't remember but they rarely ever do, and in order to beat them, you need to be perfect like that too.

Ferrari needs to make the most out of these races which the tracks are mixed one between fast and slow corners making Silverstone a medium speed track and extremely technical,after that there is Hungary and Austria which are also not the fastest tracks out there.They need to be perfect both the drivers and the team,I know for sure the drivers will deliver here as they are eager to show what they are worth and especially Leclerc which is in the fight for the title however even a small error from the pit wall crew can screw any driver race.

Today was a boring Sunday without F1 so I already look forward to the upcoming Sunday and the race.

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We are going to have another Grand Prix in Silverstone next weekend and I'm getting more excited day by day. This time Hamilton's chance to win the race seems very low unfortunately. Mercedes are newly recovering and the latest change in the regulation would take some time for Mercedes to start being able to compete with the biggest teams in the grid now. As long as we don't see big surprises in this race it isn't happening this time for sure. For the victory, I'm favouring Leclerc despite having problems lately.

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Ferrari still has a lot of work to do. In fact, Red Bull of the top teams only seems to have its affairs in order now. Mercedes was disappointing at the start of the season and is still disappointing. Every race they should be happy if they fall into the points, and Hamilton will be happy if he can be on the podium with a 3rd place. That was different in recent years, of course. I don't see Mercedes solving this problem just like that. The gap to Red Bull and Ferrari is huge at the moment. Leclerc will be very disappointed with his retirements.

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The fact that Ferrari changed their engine before Silverstone shows that they are really meaning business this race and winning there is a big win, that's not an ordinary race, winning Silverstone is special for all drivers, just like monaco and few other places which are special for F1 to race. In the end, even with a new engine, if they do some silly pitstop mistakes that they will not end up with a win and they will lose out even with a better car, so they need to be careful.

I do not remember many times Red Bull pit wall made any mistakes, their strategies are always impeccable, maybe a few mistakes in history that I can't remember but they rarely ever do, and in order to beat them, you need to be perfect like that too.

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From the start I wasn't sure about Quartararo and it happened. Quartararo fell, he seemed to have pushed his way through the inside a bit. He looks like he wants to get into second place. Not only once after changing the bike he fell again in the same place. Only then did he stop dropping out of the race.
Here are the results of the 1-10 races in the Netherlands.

Source: https://www.motogp.com/en/gp-results/2022/NED/MotoGP/RAC/Classification

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Quote from: uswa56 on June 26, 2022, 03:16:36 AM

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Assen has always been a good track for Yamaha, I think it depends on the start, is Fabio in front and can pull through his program and set the pace, Bagnaia comes under pressure and like the last race again crash. That would then be the final world championship fight out for Bagnaia. When driving behind and overtake the Yamaha is not so strong.

Yamaha is very compatible with the Assen circuit, yes that's true and in terms of speed, Yamaha is inferior to Ducati but Yamaha's acceleration and braking are far superior, at the Assen circuit there are not many straight tracks which therefore there is no advantage that Bagnaia can take with his Ducati bike. .
and last season Fabio Quartararo was able to win the Assen MotoGP, and it is not impossible that he will also reap the same success this season.

Exactly Yamaha is very competitive in Assen, but if Yamaha rides behind the Ducati it will still be very difficult for Fabio to overtake, there Fabio must be very late on the brakes to be able to overtake Ducati, but we'll see since Aleix and Aprilia is also to be reckoned with.

In Formula 1 may soon be announced the entry of Porsche (RedBull) and Audi (possibly Sauber), it is only waiting for the new engine Reglemant.

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/f1-einstieg-porsche-audi-motor-reglement-2026/

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Mistake fromm Fabio, sorry before him and Aleix, so i Hope Bagnaia one, that's good for the world championship. So it remains exciting after the summer break.

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Quote from: swogerino on June 23, 2022, 10:33:41 AM

I don't think Redbull and Ferrari are that in disadvantage against Mercedes and McLaren because of this new decision.Both Mercedes an McLaren who runs a Mercedes engine are suffering in speed,meaning in their power unit,the gains that they may make because of this new decision will not make their engines faster thus they remain no threat to Redbull and Ferrari.Redbull so far has the fastest top speed in straights and Ferrari has improved a lot in this direction.In the upcoming race we will see again that it will be dominated by these two teams and in such track like the upcoming one Mercedes won't be a threat to Redbull or Ferrari,I am not counting McLaren at all (although I am their fan) because they have a disastrous car so far in the season.

This regulation can help Mercedes get close to them in time but for now the situation is like you indicated. For the upcoming race, I think that Mercedes won't compete hard against Red Bull and Ferrari again. They still have a long way to go now. It is really difficult to predict which one of Red Bull and Ferrari would be more successful in this race. Ferrari need to collect so many points right now after having those problematic races. Especially Leclerc needs to do this a lot as Verstappen is getting far away from him in the standings.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on June 26, 2022, 03:01:53 AM

Assen has always been a good track for Yamaha, I think it depends on the start, is Fabio in front and can pull through his program and set the pace, Bagnaia comes under pressure and like the last race again crash. That would then be the final world championship fight out for Bagnaia. When driving behind and overtake the Yamaha is not so strong.

Yamaha is very compatible with the Assen circuit, yes that's true and in terms of speed, Yamaha is inferior to Ducati but Yamaha's acceleration and braking are far superior, at the Assen circuit there are not many straight tracks which therefore there is no advantage that Bagnaia can take with his Ducati bike. .
and last season Fabio Quartararo was able to win the Assen MotoGP, and it is not impossible that he will also reap the same success this season.

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Quote from: blue Snow on June 26, 2022, 02:15:21 AM

Quartararo is still my favorite because the winner last year ago, so he won't be stiff to make it again tonight. Even Bagnaia in 1st grid, Quartararo will immediately step on the gas to overtake him. So what about the Miller incident? is he got a penalty?. I don't watch the grid position, maybe he got the last grid for his mistake.

Quote from: junmisakiro on June 26, 2022, 02:50:25 AM

as usual Quartararo is a strong rider in the race even though he is behind Bagnaia during qualifying, the Yamaha motorbike is now very perfect ridden by Quartararo, he is able to control it very well and at the TT Circuit Assen is a circuit that is very suitable for the Yamaha motorbike , it has been proven in several seasons Yamaha can always appear dominant in this circuit.

Assen has always been a good track for Yamaha, I think it depends on the start, is Fabio in front and can pull through his program and set the pace, Bagnaia comes under pressure and like the last race again crash. That would then be the final world championship fight out for Bagnaia. When driving behind and overtake the Yamaha is not so strong.

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Quote from: blue Snow on June 26, 2022, 02:15:21 AM

Quote from: Koal-84 on June 25, 2022, 01:08:49 PM

But about today's qualifying, Bagnaia once again a dream lap, but Fabio is right behind, it is now finally time that Bagnaia also delivers results in the race.

Quartararo is still my favorite because the winner last year ago, so he won't be stiff to make it again tonight. Even Bagnaia in 1st grid, Quartararo will immediately step on the gas to overtake him. So what about the Miller incident? is he got a penalty?. I don't watch the grid position, maybe he got the last grid for his mistake.

as usual Quartararo is a strong rider in the race even though he is behind Bagnaia during qualifying, the Yamaha motorbike is now very perfect ridden by Quartararo, he is able to control it very well and at the TT Circuit Assen is a circuit that is very suitable for the Yamaha motorbike , it has been proven in several seasons Yamaha can always appear dominant in this circuit.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on June 25, 2022, 01:08:49 PM

But about today's qualifying, Bagnaia once again a dream lap, but Fabio is right behind, it is now finally time that Bagnaia also delivers results in the race.

Quartararo is still my favorite because the winner last year ago, so he won't be stiff to make it again tonight. Even Bagnaia in 1st grid, Quartararo will immediately step on the gas to overtake him. So what about the Miller incident? is he got a penalty?. I don't watch the grid position, maybe he got the last grid for his mistake.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on June 25, 2022, 01:08:49 PM

Hard to say according to the grid Aleix is still fifth, maybe that would have been the case on Saturday with the 105% rule? I have searched a lot but only found that there is the rule but no consequences for the Friday practice?

For too heavy a consequence for Aleix there is no because he fought really well in FP3 yesterday so today he can start the race very calmly and well. And this is despite the Yellow Flags incident after FP3.

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But about today's qualifying, Bagnaia once again a dream lap, but Fabio is right behind, it is now finally time that Bagnaia also delivers results in the race.

The record time for the three riders who were in front today was very good because they were able to overtake last year's lap record set by Maverick Vinales when he was still at Yamaha. So the time gap difference for the three is also not too far away and there will definitely be a very exciting race today if Bagnaia and Quartararo don't have any incidents or crashes.

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