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Is his career over?

Even if it is not the fact that he made 4th surgeries to the same arm after the accident says a lot about him not being able to compete at 100% of his capacity never again against really new talented riders.That is a big obstacle to him,he may win a couple of races but it is a sure thing that he will have extreme difficulties to win a title in MotoGP anymore.These circumstances may force him to retire and so his career to be over,which I hope it does not happen now or soon from now,I hope to see him racing again and hopefully maybe this 4th surgery is his final one.

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Marquez got surgery again in the same arm, 4th time since the accident.

Is his career over?

It looks like it's over because this year Marquez let alone win, but he hasn't gotten a single podium at all, so many say that his career is over since the injury he suffered two years ago. I also read this news posted by HRC_MotoGp on their instagram account which Honda is happy to announce because the operation was a success for Marquez.

Source: https://www.instagram.com/p/CeVXRURDJpf/

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Marquez got surgery again in the same arm, 4th time since the accident.

Source: https://www.instagram.com/p/CeV8XKgqlJU/

Is his career over?

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Quote from: tokeweed on June 03, 2022, 10:50:22 AM

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Was it a mistake? Sure.
Was it a Ferrari Mistake? Not so sure, to me was a Sainz mistake.
About RBR, did they go against the rules? Sure
Should they get both a penalty? Sure
Did they "change" the regulation for the second time after gifting the title to Max the past year? Yes.

Again... It's just another case that Ferrari should just own up to their mistakes, whatever they may be and whoever may have caused it. I mean it's not the first time their team has botched a race because of questionable calls. I was surprised that there were Binotto memes all over Reddit among the realest F1 fans saying 'they're at it again.'.

And listen to the audio in Leclerc's radio comm with the team. The double command showed that the pressure was onto the team and they were starting to break down. And true enough, they did. Leclerc was the best guy out there that weekend and his team let him down.

They lost a whole season because of mistakes like this, they have been horrible for a long time, at least 6 years by my calculation. They need to get rid of Binotto first, that is the culprit, if they get rid of him, then whoever comes next could end up working harder and maybe end up getting some new people every position.

I doubt that the problem is with the people who change the tires, they are good enough, it is the strategists that make the mistakes. This means that if you change Binotto, 2 race engineers, and one strategist, then those 4 could bring them the title. But as long as they have these ones, I do not think that it would work at all.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on June 03, 2022, 03:49:57 PM

As said, yes it was a Ferrari mistake caused by Sainz but AGAIN we missing 2 penalties for Redbull for both cars.
You can't change the rules because they were almost on track, it is 0 or 1, It can't be 0.8.
And the past year they won the title for it.

I think that Red Bull is not to blame for the mistakes of the FIA. I think that the FIA just did not learn from the mistakes that they have made last year where they have pretty much handed the drivers championship to verstappen.
I think they just make clear to the drivers and the teams that they will give a penalty even if you are only an inch off the track and then they can start to be more strict.
Then they would have probably also gave a penalty to leclerc when he did not drive on the scale at first.

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Quote from: tokeweed on June 03, 2022, 10:50:22 AM

Again... It's just another case that Ferrari should just own up to their mistakes, whatever they may be and whoever may have caused it. I mean it's not the first time their team has botched a race because of questionable calls. I was surprised that there were Binotto memes all over Reddit among the realest F1 fans saying 'they're at it again.'.

And listen to the audio in Leclerc's radio comm with the team. The double command showed that the pressure was onto the team and they were starting to break down. And true enough, they did. Leclerc was the best guy out there that weekend and his team let him down.

As said, yes it was a Ferrari mistake caused by Sainz but AGAIN we missing 2 penalties for Redbull for both cars.
You can't change the rules because they were almost on track, it is 0 or 1, It can't be 0.8.

And the past year they won the title for it.

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Oh c'mon... But Ferrari needs to own up to their own strategic mistakes too. And it's not just in this race or in this season. If you remember Vettel had a season that he had a chance to win the driver's championship too. Part of it was the driver's fault but there were times it was there were mistakes on part of the team. Under pressure in Monaco, they couldn't keep it together. It's just as simple as that. Let's move on to the next race.

Anyway here's the replay of the team radio that made me laugh during the race. It was cut to hear only Leclerc's voice live. But after the race and seeing how disappointed he was, I couldn't help but remember Vettel and how disappointed he was with his team. Wishing Leclerc to win the next one.

Charles Leclerc's uncensored audio and in-car camera on that pit stop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMDpPJC5mIg

Was it a mistake? Sure.
Was it a Ferrari Mistake? Not so sure, to me was a Sainz mistake.
About RBR, did they go against the rules? Sure
Should they get both a penalty? Sure
Did they "change" the regulation for the second time after gifting the title to Max the past year? Yes.

Again... It's just another case that Ferrari should just own up to their mistakes, whatever they may be and whoever may have caused it. I mean it's not the first time their team has botched a race because of questionable calls. I was surprised that there were Binotto memes all over Reddit among the realest F1 fans saying 'they're at it again.'.

And listen to the audio in Leclerc's radio comm with the team. The double command showed that the pressure was onto the team and they were starting to break down. And true enough, they did. Leclerc was the best guy out there that weekend and his team let him down.

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Max would really have become more ahead of Leclerc in the standings now. Red Bull had a bad start to this season and they were even struggling to prepare a car that can finish a race. Max was going to collect important points if he didn't have that kind of problems. Ferrari's problem recently is not related to the car fully. They made a huge tactical mistake in the Monaco GP which cost Leclerc losing the lead.

This seems like a strange argument to make. Max has lost points due to car reliability, but Leclerc hasn't? It's not even two weeks ago that Leclerc was leading in Spain but had to retire due to a problem with the car.

I'd certainly agree that RB are better than Ferrari - and probably better than every other team - when it comes to pit stops, but I don't think we can really say that it's just RB that have had reliability problems. And it's actually nearly two months now since Max had a DNF.

Well , I must disagree and still call Ferrari the better car on 2022 but the problem is another in my opinion. For example, how Ferrari is drafting the strategy and the ones who are making it ? by random tickets ? It's not the first year and won't be the last when Ferrari crew simply cannot handle the pressure and making the best decision in a fracture of a second. This will cost them many races from now on if they cannot find a way to balance strategies , races and points.

RedBull should have an easy year if Ferrari will keep looking like they look in the last 3 races.

I think Ferrari will learn from their mistakes in these last couple of races,well except the Spain one which was an engine failure for Leclerc.Leclerc on his part took things with a sportive spirit not getting that mad after the race,he said this should not happen again and the Championship is long enough for us to recover and win races and also to fight for both titles in the end.In Monaco it is true that Ferrari could not withstand the pressure very well and they made a big mistake which costed them the race but I am sure in the next race there is plenty of room for them to win this race.It is a city track but one where overtaking can surely take place in a couple of parts of the track.If they screw up again then Ferrari is out of the title race in my opinion.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on June 02, 2022, 09:26:25 AM

I also think that the employees of the Suzuki team will find other jobs, for an investor it would be easy to create a new team with the employees of the "almost" entire Suzuki team. The developers in Japan will stay with Suzuki. The advantage of the current employees is that they will no longer have a contract clause if they move to another team.

This could very possibly happen to some Suzuki crews next year, especially if riders like Alex Rins and Joan Mir could be in great demand by other teams next year so that some crew from Suzuki could also join other teams.

Quote from: Koal-84 on June 03, 2022, 01:58:07 AM

This weekend is MotoGP in Spain again, Catalunya was always the favourite track for Marquez and Lorenzo to win, this time neither of them is actively present and I don't trust the penultimate winner Dovizioso to win. I think the Ducatis are the favourites again and Fabio and Aleix also have a chance of the podium and victory.

This time I am more confident with Fabio Quartararo to win because last year he was in pole position and almost won, it's just that there was a slight problem with the racing shirt he was wearing which made Fabio Quartararo have to accept a penalty and not get a podium last year. And for this year I think Fabio Quartararo will try to come back for pole position and win races, because he really likes the Catalunya circuit.

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Fabio has signed a new 2 year contract with Yamaha and is certainly motivated.

He really deserves to be at Yamaha for another 2 years because he is able to ride a Yamaha bike and compete with more super power bikes like Ducati.

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Max would really have become more ahead of Leclerc in the standings now. Red Bull had a bad start to this season and they were even struggling to prepare a car that can finish a race. Max was going to collect important points if he didn't have that kind of problems. Ferrari's problem recently is not related to the car fully. They made a huge tactical mistake in the Monaco GP which cost Leclerc losing the lead.

This seems like a strange argument to make. Max has lost points due to car reliability, but Leclerc hasn't? It's not even two weeks ago that Leclerc was leading in Spain but had to retire due to a problem with the car.

I'd certainly agree that RB are better than Ferrari - and probably better than every other team - when it comes to pit stops, but I don't think we can really say that it's just RB that have had reliability problems. And it's actually nearly two months now since Max had a DNF.

Well , I must disagree and still call Ferrari the better car on 2022 but the problem is another in my opinion. For example, how Ferrari is drafting the strategy and the ones who are making it ? by random tickets ? It's not the first year and won't be the last when Ferrari crew simply cannot handle the pressure and making the best decision in a fracture of a second. This will cost them many races from now on if they cannot find a way to balance strategies , races and points.

RedBull should have an easy year if Ferrari will keep looking like they look in the last 3 races.

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Quote from: DukeNickle on June 02, 2022, 10:02:08 AM

Max would really have become more ahead of Leclerc in the standings now. Red Bull had a bad start to this season and they were even struggling to prepare a car that can finish a race. Max was going to collect important points if he didn't have that kind of problems. Ferrari's problem recently is not related to the car fully. They made a huge tactical mistake in the Monaco GP which cost Leclerc losing the lead.

This seems like a strange argument to make. Max has lost points due to car reliability, but Leclerc hasn't? It's not even two weeks ago that Leclerc was leading in Spain but had to retire due to a problem with the car.

I'd certainly agree that RB are better than Ferrari - and probably better than every other team - when it comes to pit stops, but I don't think we can really say that it's just RB that have had reliability problems. And it's actually nearly two months now since Max had a DNF.

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This weekend is MotoGP in Spain again, Catalunya was always the favourite track for Marquez and Lorenzo to win, this time neither of them is actively present and I don't trust the penultimate winner Dovizioso to win. I think the Ducatis are the favourites again and Fabio and Aleix also have a chance of the podium and victory.

Fabio has signed a new 2 year contract with Yamaha and is certainly motivated.

https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2022/06/02/breaking-quartararo-signs-new-two-year-deal-with-yamaha/423817

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Quote from: tokeweed on June 02, 2022, 10:09:21 AM

I wouldn't really call the Miami GP a 'great one'. I mean it was ok but nothing great like what it would be in Belgium or Silverstone... And even the Japanese and Singaporean GP's? Dunno, I guess it depends on the guy watching. But in the US, I don't mind the track at Texas.

And yup, curious what the Las Vegas GP would look like. Hopefully it's a night race as Vegas looks kinda dirty at day time. Cheesy

And when London GP? That could have the makings of great imho.

For sure not but probably better than Monaco and Hungary for the possibility of overtaking.

Tracks where the overtake is not possible should not exist in F1 but only on Go-Kart

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Quote from: tokeweed on June 02, 2022, 10:09:21 AM

I wouldn't really call the Miami GP a 'great one'. I mean it was ok but nothing great like what it would be in Belgium or Silverstone... And even the Japanese and Singaporean GP's? Dunno, I guess it depends on the guy watching. But in the US, I don't mind the track at Texas.

And yup, curious what the Las Vegas GP would look like. Hopefully it's a night race as Vegas looks kinda dirty at day time. Cheesy

And when London GP? That could have the makings of great imho.

I do agree that Miami GP is not great "right now", but it is obvious that they are working on it and maybe they were a bit too late on this one but they will be focusing on making it better next year. We have seen the fake blue "sea" like situations, believe me when I say this, they will actually build ponds there filled with real water and make it a real thing.

We haven't seen a thing that is good enough from them this year but I am hoping that Miami will keep on spending insane amount of money to get a lot more money out of this. Texas is definitely much better, last year the weekend total was like 400k+ viewers there, so it will not be that close.

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Quote from: tokeweed on June 01, 2022, 09:19:17 AM

Oh c'mon... But Ferrari needs to own up to their own strategic mistakes too. And it's not just in this race or in this season. If you remember Vettel had a season that he had a chance to win the driver's championship too. Part of it was the driver's fault but there were times it was there were mistakes on part of the team. Under pressure in Monaco, they couldn't keep it together. It's just as simple as that. Let's move on to the next race.

Anyway here's the replay of the team radio that made me laugh during the race. It was cut to hear only Leclerc's voice live. But after the race and seeing how disappointed he was, I couldn't help but remember Vettel and how disappointed he was with his team. Wishing Leclerc to win the next one.

Charles Leclerc's uncensored audio and in-car camera on that pit stop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMDpPJC5mIg

Was it a mistake? Sure.
Was it a Ferrari Mistake? Not so sure, to me was a Sainz mistake.
About RBR, did they go against the rules? Sure
Should they get both a penalty? Sure
Did they "change" the regulation for the second time after gifting the title to Max the past year? Yes.

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We may have another GP in the USA.

This time is New York, they are thinking about it, and not clear if already asked it officially FIA.

With the American owners, we will have more and more GPs in the USA and it is not a bad thing if the tracks are beautiful over GPs like Monaco, Imola, Hungary...

I agree.When USA organizes an event it is in their nature to exaggerate in order to make it look more beautiful than it is and I love this.We have seen in previous USA GP-s that this is always the case and the more tracks from the USA the more spectacle is guaranteed.We had a race at Miami this season and it was a great one,can't wait for that Las Vegas GP which should be the best of all American GP-s and it would be even more exaggerated than these other tracks that we already have in the USA.

I wouldn't really call the Miami GP a 'great one'. I mean it was ok but nothing great like what it would be in Belgium or Silverstone... And even the Japanese and Singaporean GP's? Dunno, I guess it depends on the guy watching. But in the US, I don't mind the track at Texas.

And yup, curious what the Las Vegas GP would look like. Hopefully it's a night race as Vegas looks kinda dirty at day time. Cheesy

And when London GP? That could have the makings of great imho.

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The competition level is getting higher and higher by every race in Formula 1 now. Verstappen has already managed to get past Leclerc in the driver standings by nine points if I'm not mistaken. Perez has also joined the race for the championship also by his great victory in the Monaco GP. Ferrari drivers started to stumble recently and it costs them big. Sainz was great in the last race but Leclerc had a very unlucky race because of a bad team call. Leclerc shouldn't have pitted at the same time with Sainz there. We also heard how angry Leclerc was with his team.

The great thing is, Max passed Charles and didn't finish two races, he would have been much more ahead if he finished those races, I am not even saying if he won, if he was second or even third he would have been ahead a lot more points. All in all both teams are struggling with these new cars.

We have seen teams keep having trouble at the start of the season, but now we are seeing stuff that are smaller, it is not like the first races where it was obvious big differences, but they are usually smaller stuff that decide the race winner by an inch. So all in all I have to say that it is not going to be an easy task to beat RB but RB could end up failing as well.

Yeah Max would really have become more ahead of Leclerc in the standings now. Red Bull had a bad start to this season and they were even struggling to prepare a car that can finish a race. Max was going to collect important points if he didn't have that kind of problems. Ferrari's problem recently is not related to the car fully. They made a huge tactical mistake in the Monaco GP which cost Leclerc losing the lead. Sainz on the other hand made simple individual mistakes for some weeks and he was out of the race. In the coming races, I expect Leclerc and Sainz both to be more consistent.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on June 01, 2022, 05:11:07 PM

We may have another GP in the USA.
This time is New York, they are thinking about it, and not clear if already asked it officially FIA.
With the American owners, we will have more and more GPs in the USA and it is not a bad thing if the tracks are beautiful over GPs like Monaco, Imola, Hungary...

One of the big goals when the new owners took over the Formula 1 from Bernie Ecclestone was to make the Formula 1 as a product more attractive for the north american viewers because that is pretty much the only reason where the Formula 1 is not really popular yet. This is also the reason i guess why the races are now starting 2 hours later in comparison to the years before, so the race is not starting in the early morning for viewers from america.
So it would definitely make sense if they would try to add a second grand prix in the United states to the race calendar and even though it is not perfect for me because i am from europe and the race will start in the late evening i would still prefer a cool new race track over Monaco any time, because that always is the most boring race possible.

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For me it is as good as fixed that Yamaha will start next year with only one team, the probability that a big financier will come and can/will afford the whole Suzuki crew (if that would be possible at all Huh

) is unlikely for me but it should not be impossible, the Suzuki crew basically loses their jobs with the end of the season?

I haven't thought about it now, although what you said is true because the crew from Suzuki factory will lose their job for next year, but for reliable mechanics or reliable crew will also get another job next year even though it's no longer in Suzuki. Because other manufacturers are also looking at some people in Suzuki who can be used for the team.

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How long does the VR46 team have a contract with Ducati at MotoGP?

I had read in the local media that "Valentino Rossi's MotoGP team will use Ducati motorcycles from 2022. The cooperation contract will last 3 years." _{(Source: https://otomotifnet.gridoto.com/read/232758160/sah-tim-balap-motogp-milik-valentino-rossi-gunakan-ducati-mulai-2022).}

Well, if you look at it since the first time Valentino Rossi's team was on the MotoGP grid, now is the second year they are on the MotoGP grid because last year Valentino Rossi's team had collaborated with the Esponsorama Racing team to be in MotoGP and this year the team has Valentino Rossi has stood independently with the bike they use is Ducati because his contract with Ducati is still not finished.

I also think that the employees of the Suzuki team will find other jobs, for an investor it would be easy to create a new team with the employees of the "almost" entire Suzuki team. The developers in Japan will stay with Suzuki. The advantage of the current employees is that they will no longer have a contract clause if they move to another team.

It's easily possible that the Ducati contract with V46 runs for 3 years and I don't think Rossi would break contracts unilaterally, I'm not sure anymore but as a rider he always kept his contracts?

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Quote from: Koal-84 on June 02, 2022, 02:23:24 AM

For me it is as good as fixed that Yamaha will start next year with only one team, the probability that a big financier will come and can/will afford the whole Suzuki crew (if that would be possible at all Huh

) is unlikely for me but it should not be impossible, the Suzuki crew basically loses their jobs with the end of the season?

I haven't thought about it now, although what you said is true because the crew from Suzuki factory will lose their job for next year, but for reliable mechanics or reliable crew will also get another job next year even though it's no longer in Suzuki. Because other manufacturers are also looking at some people in Suzuki who can be used for the team.

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How long does the VR46 team have a contract with Ducati at MotoGP?

I had read in the local media that "Valentino Rossi's MotoGP team will use Ducati motorcycles from 2022. The cooperation contract will last 3 years." _{(Source: https://otomotifnet.gridoto.com/read/232758160/sah-tim-balap-motogp-milik-valentino-rossi-gunakan-ducati-mulai-2022).}

Well, if you look at it since the first time Valentino Rossi's team was on the MotoGP grid, now is the second year they are on the MotoGP grid because last year Valentino Rossi's team had collaborated with the Esponsorama Racing team to be in MotoGP and this year the team has Valentino Rossi has stood independently with the bike they use is Ducati because his contract with Ducati is still not finished.

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