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Quote from: AndySt on May 30, 2022, 06:53:29 PM

Horner said that Perez is fighting for champion title too, but for me it's difficult to believe in his words.

Yes, that's absurd. It's only a week ago that RB made Perez move aside for Max! I think with those words he's just trying to placate Perez who is no doubt still angry about last time.
Unless the statement actually means that Perez is fighting Horner to be allowed to compete for the championship? That's more believable! Grin

Quote from: AndySt on May 30, 2022, 06:53:29 PM

And no one should be deceived by the words of the head of Red Bull, Christian Horner, that the team does not use team tactics in favor of Verstappen.

I don't think anyone in the world would believe that they don't favour Verstappen. It's understandable of course if they are fighting another team for the title, it makes sense to ensure that one of your drivers maximises points every time... but at least have the courage to admit it instead of coming out with what is an utterly transparent lie!

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Quote from: FanEagle on May 30, 2022, 04:34:35 PM

Honestly, everyone talks about the mistake Ferrari Pit team made and I agree that it was a horrible mistake. But between telling him to stay out (just a bit too late) and seeing how nothing was ordinary for this race, I have to say that it may have been normal for them to make some mistakes at least. I mean yes, it cost them the race but what a race it was, it was definitely not an ordinary race and that is why I understand that they may have made some mistakes.

You can't really calculate such a race, it is very hard, they didn't know when slicks should be on, and this caused them to make some mistakes and that is totally understandable, I believe they will learn something from this at least.

It is true that you can't calculate the race but at least they needed to have their full focus on Leclerc first and then Sainz because is Leclerc that is fighting for the Championship and not Sainz.I think they misjudged their time and it cost them a race that they had in their pocket,as I said this mistake,a huge one can cost them the Championship in the end if they happen to lose the Championship for just a few points less than the Champion of the season,that would be truly a disaster.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on May 30, 2022, 02:44:52 PM

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I think we did all expect Leclerc to win, until Ferrari messed up on strategy. But Perez does seem to be improving. He would have won the last race if RB hadn't ordered him to move aside to let Max win. I assume they would have done the same again here to deny Perez again, but fortunately for him he had Sainz in the way to prevent Max getting any more undeserved gifts!

Nope, we wouldn't have won previous race. Max had fresh tyres and much bigger pace, so, even without letting Max to pass, he had no chance to keep him behind. But yeah, I'm happy to see Perez win. Now Horner said that Perez is fighting for champion title too, but for me it's difficult to believe in his words.

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Well they were right but RBR is protected by the F1, both drivers deserved a penalty for that.

And both protests were rejected.

In any case, the team will bet on Verstappen for the time being, because no one is interested in Max losing precious points due to an internal team struggle with a partner. Points that may not be enough at the finish of the season. Another thing is when Perez will constantly show better results than Verstappen, then there will be completely different priorities. But I think that this is still far away and Max can still be calm about his status in the team. And no one should be deceived by the words of the head of Red Bull, Christian Horner, that the team does not use team tactics in favor of Verstappen.

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Honestly, everyone talks about the mistake Ferrari Pit team made and I agree that it was a horrible mistake. But between telling him to stay out (just a bit too late) and seeing how nothing was ordinary for this race, I have to say that it may have been normal for them to make some mistakes at least. I mean yes, it cost them the race but what a race it was, it was definitely not an ordinary race and that is why I understand that they may have made some mistakes.

You can't really calculate such a race, it is very hard, they didn't know when slicks should be on, and this caused them to make some mistakes and that is totally understandable, I believe they will learn something from this at least.

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I am not entirely sure if pit exit situation deserves a big penalty at all, it seems like it was weather related and not defensive reasons. Consider it this way, if they didn't do that, would they lose positions or not? If your answer is "yes they would have lost positions" then they deserved a penalty, but if your answer is "no they wouldn't but thats still against the rules" then why would doing something which will impact absolutely nothing, end up causing a penalty that would end up something? I believe it wouldn't really change the positions at all, and that is why no penalty decision was a fair one for sure.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on May 30, 2022, 02:57:47 AM

I think we did all expect Leclerc to win, until Ferrari messed up on strategy. But Perez does seem to be improving. He would have won the last race if RB hadn't ordered him to move aside to let Max win. I assume they would have done the same again here to deny Perez again, but fortunately for him he had Sainz in the way to prevent Max getting any more undeserved gifts!

Nope, we wouldn't have won previous race. Max had fresh tyres and much bigger pace, so, even without letting Max to pass, he had no chance to keep him behind.
But yeah, I'm happy to see Perez win. Now Horner said that Perez is fighting for champion title too, but for me it's difficult to believe in his words.

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Well they were right but RBR is protected by the F1, both drivers deserved a penalty for that.

And both protests were rejected.

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Quote from: wmaurik on May 30, 2022, 10:44:12 AM

it's better in my opinion, even if it continues to be forced to play full for the rest of the race this season, Marc Marquez can't compete optimally.
Marc Marquez this season has been very down, he has never gotten a podium once and it proves that Marc Marquez has not fully recovered and returned to his best form.
I hope that after undergoing surgery Marc Marquez can be optimal and competitive again to compete in the front row.

today's defeat is a delayed victory, after this operation he will go crazy by returning to being a baby alien, even though he had previously announced that he would retire in 2024 before this operation would be the culmination of the opposite.

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Quote from: wmaurik on May 30, 2022, 10:44:12 AM

it's better in my opinion, even if it continues to be forced to play full for the rest of the race this season, Marc Marquez can't compete optimally.
Marc Marquez this season has been very down, he has never gotten a podium once and it proves that Marc Marquez has not fully recovered and returned to his best form.
I hope that after undergoing surgery Marc Marquez can be optimal and competitive again to compete in the front row.

After undergoing surgery Marc Marquez is also still not sure to be able to return to his best performance because considering the Honda motorbike he is currently riding is very different from the Honda motorbike that Marc Marquez has ridden before so Marc Marquez still needs adaptation again to tame the new Honda motorbike. after returning from surgery.

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Quote from: bestcoins1 on May 30, 2022, 09:54:26 AM

Marc Marquez to undergo further surgery on right humerus

Marc Marquez will undergo a fourth surgery on his right humerus, heading to the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota. The Repsol Honda Team rider has suffered major limitations in recent months that have prevented him from performing at the highest level. As a result, he has elected to undergo surgery 18 months after his last operation.

Marquez, having not felt significant improvements in recent months and consulting with other specialists, together with his medical team have considered the option of a new operation. The six-time MotoGP™ World Champion will travel to the United States on Tuesday, May 31 for surgery, under the direction of Dr Joaquin Sanchez Sotelo. Once the postoperative period has been completed, he will return to Spain to begin his recovery. Doctors will then assess Marquez’s condition and his recovery period.

Source: https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2022/05/28/marc-marquez-to-undergo-further-surgery-on-right-humerus/422803?utm

it's better in my opinion, even if it continues to be forced to play full for the rest of the race this season, Marc Marquez can't compete optimally.
Marc Marquez this season has been very down, he has never gotten a podium once and it proves that Marc Marquez has not fully recovered and returned to his best form.
I hope that after undergoing surgery Marc Marquez can be optimal and competitive again to compete in the front row.

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Marc Marquez to undergo further surgery on right humerus

Marc Marquez will undergo a fourth surgery on his right humerus, heading to the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota. The Repsol Honda Team rider has suffered major limitations in recent months that have prevented him from performing at the highest level. As a result, he has elected to undergo surgery 18 months after his last operation.

Marquez, having not felt significant improvements in recent months and consulting with other specialists, together with his medical team have considered the option of a new operation. The six-time MotoGP™ World Champion will travel to the United States on Tuesday, May 31 for surgery, under the direction of Dr Joaquin Sanchez Sotelo. Once the postoperative period has been completed, he will return to Spain to begin his recovery. Doctors will then assess Marquez’s condition and his recovery period.

Source: https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2022/05/28/marc-marquez-to-undergo-further-surgery-on-right-humerus/422803?utm

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Quote from: Davian144 on May 30, 2022, 03:52:54 AM

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I was surprised that Fabio was able to keep up with the Yamaha, on ServusTV it was assumed that the Ducatis had to go back a bit in terms of engine performance because of fuel consumption, the Ducati is more powerful than the other manufacturers, but therefore also consumes more fuel.

As for the Ducati engine power problem, it can't be denied by anyone. Because Ducati does have very large power and is very fast on a straight track so it is true as you say that Ducati's own fuel consumption is getting bigger and if that wasn't a problem, then all Ducati motorbikes would be in front of every grandprix race.

In the Italian MotoGP race which took place yesterday, it was seen when a fast race on a straight track the Ducati Bagnaia motorbike easily overtook the position of the Yamaha Quartararo motorbike.
Quartararo's prowess must also be recognized in yesterday's race because he was able to cut the GAP time with Pecco when cornering several times. But as you said the Ducati power is incredible.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on May 30, 2022, 02:28:08 AM

I was surprised that Fabio was able to keep up with the Yamaha, on ServusTV it was assumed that the Ducatis had to go back a bit in terms of engine performance because of fuel consumption, the Ducati is more powerful than the other manufacturers, but therefore also consumes more fuel.

As for the Ducati engine power problem, it can't be denied by anyone. Because Ducati does have very large power and is very fast on a straight track so it is true as you say that Ducati's own fuel consumption is getting bigger and if that wasn't a problem, then all Ducati motorbikes would be in front of every grandprix race.

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I think it's Suzuki's own fault too, because they put pressure on the riders themselves by pulling out so quickly and unexpectedly, and the riders are certainly depressed by the sudden decision.

It is also very true that both Suzuki riders are currently very depressed about their futures although there are some rumors circulating right now that there are several other teams that are eyeing them at the moment.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on May 30, 2022, 02:28:08 AM

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But in the end Bagnaia was able to lead the race and win there with Quartararo as runner-up followed by Aleix Espargaro from Aprilia after struggling hard against several Ducati bikes that were previously in front of him.

It's a shame for the Suzuki factory where they again suffered the same fate as at Le Mans so that they have gone home twice without bringing any points.

I was surprised that Fabio was able to keep up with the Yamaha, on ServusTV it was assumed that the Ducatis had to go back a bit in terms of engine performance because of fuel consumption, the Ducati is more powerful than the other manufacturers, but therefore also consumes more fuel.

I think it's Suzuki's own fault too, because they put pressure on the riders themselves by pulling out so quickly and unexpectedly, and the riders are certainly depressed by the sudden decision.

Bagnaia is indeed very seeded in the Mugello race. and he proved to be able to be dominant compared to other racers.
but i highlight the performance of aleix espargaro who was able to get back on the podium in a row, that's a very extraordinary thing to get with the Aprillia team, this season Aprillia is growing very fast.

Regarding the 2 Suzuki riders who failed to finish in the last two races, I also think so, because next season Suzuki is no longer in Moto GP making them burdened to give their best performance in order to get a new team next season, because that pressure makes them push their bike too much. until a crash occurs.

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Quote from: CLS63 on May 29, 2022, 11:18:03 AM

First of all, I'd like to congratulate Perez. I assume that nobody among us was waiting for Perez to win this race. Ferrari pit crew made the biggest mistake they could in Monaco and lost the advantage on track to Red Bull. Even though Perez's tires wore out in the last moments of the race, Sainz still wasn't able to overtake him. If this race was on some other track, it wouldn't be a big deal for Sainz to win this race.

I think we did all expect Leclerc to win, until Ferrari messed up on strategy. But Perez does seem to be improving. He would have won the last race if RB hadn't ordered him to move aside to let Max win. I assume they would have done the same again here to deny Perez again, but fortunately for him he had Sainz in the way to prevent Max getting any more undeserved gifts!

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Quote from: Davian144 on May 29, 2022, 10:43:14 PM

But in the end Bagnaia was able to lead the race and win there with Quartararo as runner-up followed by Aleix Espargaro from Aprilia after struggling hard against several Ducati bikes that were previously in front of him.

It's a shame for the Suzuki factory where they again suffered the same fate as at Le Mans so that they have gone home twice without bringing any points.

I was surprised that Fabio was able to keep up with the Yamaha, on ServusTV it was assumed that the Ducatis had to go back a bit in terms of engine performance because of fuel consumption, the Ducati is more powerful than the other manufacturers, but therefore also consumes more fuel.

I think it's Suzuki's own fault too, because they put pressure on the riders themselves by pulling out so quickly and unexpectedly, and the riders are certainly depressed by the sudden decision.

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Quote from: FanEagle on May 29, 2022, 04:58:50 PM

Monaco is really not a great place to race. I get that there is a historic reason why we still have races here, and financially it is good, considering that F1 continued to race after a bombing in Saudi Arabia, I am sure that they would be fine with Monaco not being that great track at all, if a bomb doesn't make you leave, a bad track wouldn't make you even consider leaving.

All in all I hope that F1 gets enough money eventually, this sport is not at the peak performance right now because it is not profitable, everyone involved keeps losing money and because of that we have to put up with terrible races like these that doesn't provide any fun at all to the viewer.

They could also have started the race a bit earlier to make it a bit more entertaining,meaning that the track would not have been dry so quickly especially in city road tracks which to become dry takes a bit more time than in other tracks.They started the race at least 40 minutes after the rain ended in large part of the tracks.When they were doing so I was thinking myself that maybe they want to favor Leclerc as he is the home pilot here and also give him a boost in the Championship standings.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on May 29, 2022, 07:17:19 AM

Now really Bezzechi leads and behind him Bagnaia, Fabio is in third place he holds very well against the Ducatis but on the straights he is fodder.

But in the end Bagnaia was able to lead the race and win there with Quartararo as runner-up followed by Aleix Espargaro from Aprilia after struggling hard against several Ducati bikes that were previously in front of him.

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Too bad both Suzukis are out, very sad the two riders want to push too much for the sake of new contract possibly, the places are very rare after the exit of Suzuki ...

It's a shame for the Suzuki factory where they again suffered the same fate as at Le Mans so that they have gone home twice without bringing any points.

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Quote from: FanEagle on May 29, 2022, 04:58:50 PM

Monaco is really not a great place to race. I get that there is a historic reason why we still have races here, and financially it is good, considering that F1 continued to race after a bombing in Saudi Arabia, I am sure that they would be fine with Monaco not being that great track at all, if a bomb doesn't make you leave, a bad track wouldn't make you even consider leaving. All in all I hope that F1 gets enough money eventually, this sport is not at the peak performance right now because it is not profitable, everyone involved keeps losing money and because of that we have to put up with terrible races like these that doesn't provide any fun at all to the viewer.

Well, actually, there are different ideas on this score and many current Formula 1 drivers, on the contrary, would like the races to continue to be held in Monaco. History is still a great thing and many would like to go down in history by winning these races. Although of course I agree that this is not the most beautiful place for beautiful overtaking and in many cases the place occupied during qualifying is very important, because then during the race it is very difficult to win back positions. Therefore, the main hope is for weather conditions like this time, when rain can mix up all the cards and bring intrigue to the location of racers who are forced to change their tires suitable for weather conditions.

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Monaco is really not a great place to race. I get that there is a historic reason why we still have races here, and financially it is good, considering that F1 continued to race after a bombing in Saudi Arabia, I am sure that they would be fine with Monaco not being that great track at all, if a bomb doesn't make you leave, a bad track wouldn't make you even consider leaving.

All in all I hope that F1 gets enough money eventually, this sport is not at the peak performance right now because it is not profitable, everyone involved keeps losing money and because of that we have to put up with terrible races like these that doesn't provide any fun at all to the viewer.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on May 29, 2022, 03:10:39 PM

But things still can change - Ferrari made protest about Perez and Vertappen crossing line on pit exit.

Well they were right but RBR is protected by the F1, both drivers deserved a penalty for that.

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