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Well they were right but RBR is protected by the F1, both drivers deserved a penalty for that.

Oh c'mon... But Ferrari needs to own up to their own strategic mistakes too. And it's not just in this race or in this season. If you remember Vettel had a season that he had a chance to win the driver's championship too. Part of it was the driver's fault but there were times it was there were mistakes on part of the team. Under pressure in Monaco, they couldn't keep it together. It's just as simple as that. Let's move on to the next race.

Anyway here's the replay of the team radio that made me laugh during the race. It was cut to hear only Leclerc's voice live. But after the race and seeing how disappointed he was, I couldn't help but remember Vettel and how disappointed he was with his team. Wishing Leclerc to win the next one.

Charles Leclerc's uncensored audio and in-car camera on that pit stop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMDpPJC5mIg

Honestly the fact that they were that late to tell him to stay out should be good enough of a reason to understand why Ferrari is bad. It is not just about them making a mistake by calling him to box, it is also about the fact that they didn't even realize he was already in and told him to stay out when he was right there. That should be good enough of a reason to know that they are not a good team.

If I were the CEO of Ferrari racing, I would just fire everyone from bottom to the top and get new people, like you said this is basically the same team that cost Vettel a championship, and this is the team that will cause Charles to lose championship as well.

@tokeweed this kind of behaviour from Ferrari is unacceptable at this stage, and the management really needs to send a warning to the staff perform or perish. Also I hope that they won’t repeat such errors again this season, but if they do then like @wiss19 said the CEO definitely needs to fire the staff because they simply won’t be good enough to work for Ferrari.

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A big blow for Yamaha, they lose their satellite team RNF (formerly Petronas Yamaha). RNF now has a deal with Aprilia, at the moment the Aprilia is definitely an upgrade to the Yamaha at the moment, which only Fabio can ride fast. Next year Yamaha will only get more data from 2 riders to improve the bike.

That's true because the owner of the RNF team himself also sees a very good opportunity on the Aprilia bike which has been very good this year with 4 third podiums over the last 4 races and has won the race once in Argentina this year.

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Possibly Yamaha will go to Rossi and try the VR46 team, Rossi already has a partnership with Yamaha.

From some rumors circulating, mastercampvr46 will be brought in to become a Yamaha satellite team one day, considering the Mooneyvr46 team still has a contract with Ducati. But so far there is no clarity on this so that Yamaha can only ensure 2 motorbikes on the MotoGP grid next year.

For me it is as good as fixed that Yamaha will start next year with only one team, the probability that a big financier will come and can/will afford the whole Suzuki crew (if that would be possible at all Huh

) is unlikely for me but it should not be impossible, the Suzuki crew basically loses their jobs with the end of the season?

How long does the VR46 team have a contract with Ducati at MotoGP? But I as VR46 wouldn't change to Yamaha at the moment and Rossi knows the weaknesses of the Yamaha and has actively criticised the very slow development progress, he would definitely change to a worse bike now.

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Quote from: tokeweed on June 01, 2022, 09:19:17 AM

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Well they were right but RBR is protected by the F1, both drivers deserved a penalty for that.

Oh c'mon... But Ferrari needs to own up to their own strategic mistakes too. And it's not just in this race or in this season. If you remember Vettel had a season that he had a chance to win the driver's championship too. Part of it was the driver's fault but there were times it was there were mistakes on part of the team. Under pressure in Monaco, they couldn't keep it together. It's just as simple as that. Let's move on to the next race.

Anyway here's the replay of the team radio that made me laugh during the race. It was cut to hear only Leclerc's voice live. But after the race and seeing how disappointed he was, I couldn't help but remember Vettel and how disappointed he was with his team. Wishing Leclerc to win the next one.

Charles Leclerc's uncensored audio and in-car camera on that pit stop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMDpPJC5mIg

Honestly the fact that they were that late to tell him to stay out should be good enough of a reason to understand why Ferrari is bad. It is not just about them making a mistake by calling him to box, it is also about the fact that they didn't even realize he was already in and told him to stay out when he was right there. That should be good enough of a reason to know that they are not a good team.

If I were the CEO of Ferrari racing, I would just fire everyone from bottom to the top and get new people, like you said this is basically the same team that cost Vettel a championship, and this is the team that will cause Charles to lose championship as well.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on June 01, 2022, 05:11:07 PM

We may have another GP in the USA.

This time is New York, they are thinking about it, and not clear if already asked it officially FIA.

With the American owners, we will have more and more GPs in the USA and it is not a bad thing if the tracks are beautiful over GPs like Monaco, Imola, Hungary...

I agree.When USA organizes an event it is in their nature to exaggerate in order to make it look more beautiful than it is and I love this.We have seen in previous USA GP-s that this is always the case and the more tracks from the USA the more spectacle is guaranteed.We had a race at Miami this season and it was a great one,can't wait for that Las Vegas GP which should be the best of all American GP-s and it would be even more exaggerated than these other tracks that we already have in the USA.

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Quote from: Roman_Picisan on June 01, 2022, 04:23:54 AM

Don't break our spirits. Rossi was also faced with after surgery he was able to get up, or do you still remember the case of Fabio on the arm pump, who lost hand strength due to injury, everything still has an effect but MM must have a trick to get back to the podium.

The injury suffered by Marquez is very different from the injury suffered by other riders such as Valentino Rossi and Fabio Quartararo so it became very difficult for Marquez himself to achieve victory because this year he has not gotten a podium once.

Quote from: Koal-84 on June 01, 2022, 09:03:45 AM

A big blow for Yamaha, they lose their satellite team RNF (formerly Petronas Yamaha). RNF now has a deal with Aprilia, at the moment the Aprilia is definitely an upgrade to the Yamaha at the moment, which only Fabio can ride fast. Next year Yamaha will only get more data from 2 riders to improve the bike.

That's true because the owner of the RNF team himself also sees a very good opportunity on the Aprilia bike which has been very good this year with 4 third podiums over the last 4 races and has won the race once in Argentina this year.

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Possibly Yamaha will go to Rossi and try the VR46 team, Rossi already has a partnership with Yamaha.

From some rumors circulating, mastercampvr46 will be brought in to become a Yamaha satellite team one day, considering the Mooneyvr46 team still has a contract with Ducati. But so far there is no clarity on this so that Yamaha can only ensure 2 motorbikes on the MotoGP grid next year.

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We may have another GP in the USA.

This time is New York, they are thinking about it, and not clear if already asked it officially FIA.

With the American owners, we will have more and more GPs in the USA and it is not a bad thing if the tracks are beautiful over GPs like Monaco, Imola, Hungary...

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Quote from: Koal-84 on June 01, 2022, 09:03:45 AM

A big blow for Yamaha, they lose their satellite team RNF (formerly Petronas Yamaha). RNF now has a deal with Aprilia, at the moment the Aprilia is definitely an upgrade to the Yamaha at the moment, which only Fabio can ride fast. Next year Yamaha will only get more data from 2 riders to improve the bike.

Possibly Yamaha will go to Rossi and try the VR46 team, Rossi already has a partnership with Yamaha.

https://the-race.com/motogp/yamaha-loses-motogp-satellite-team-as-rnf-signs-with-aprilia/

This reminds Rossi of having won the Yamaha satellite team, if we remember recently the satellite team also broke the highest top speed record (Jorge Martin) even though it was not from the Yamaha satellite.

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But things still can change - Ferrari made protest about Perez and Vertappen crossing line on pit exit.

Well they were right but RBR is protected by the F1, both drivers deserved a penalty for that.

Oh c'mon... But Ferrari needs to own up to their own strategic mistakes too. And it's not just in this race or in this season. If you remember Vettel had a season that he had a chance to win the driver's championship too. Part of it was the driver's fault but there were times it was there were mistakes on part of the team. Under pressure in Monaco, they couldn't keep it together. It's just as simple as that. Let's move on to the next race.

Anyway here's the replay of the team radio that made me laugh during the race. It was cut to hear only Leclerc's voice live. But after the race and seeing how disappointed he was, I couldn't help but remember Vettel and how disappointed he was with his team. Wishing Leclerc to win the next one.

Charles Leclerc's uncensored audio and in-car camera on that pit stop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMDpPJC5mIg

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A big blow for Yamaha, they lose their satellite team RNF (formerly Petronas Yamaha). RNF now has a deal with Aprilia, at the moment the Aprilia is definitely an upgrade to the Yamaha at the moment, which only Fabio can ride fast. Next year Yamaha will only get more data from 2 riders to improve the bike.

Possibly Yamaha will go to Rossi and try the VR46 team, Rossi already has a partnership with Yamaha.

https://the-race.com/motogp/yamaha-loses-motogp-satellite-team-as-rnf-signs-with-aprilia/

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Quote from: Fakhrulenclix on May 31, 2022, 07:34:46 AM

I don't think so, quite the opposite. After undergoing surgery it will be very difficult for Marc to return to his best form. especially if he is going to get a long rest really it will be more difficult.
Moto gp racers will not be able to return to their best performance after suffering a serious injury, it has been proven since ancient times and Marc Marquez is also experiencing it today. he has slumped in the last 2 seasons, at the age of 30 I think Marc Marquez will not return to the way he used to be, who was able to dominate and was nicknamed "baby alien"
Marquez era has ended. now we will be greeted by the charming appearance of the young racers.

Don't break our spirits. Rossi was also faced with after surgery he was able to get up, or do you still remember the case of Fabio on the arm pump, who lost hand strength due to injury, everything still has an effect but MM must have a trick to get back to the podium.

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Quote from: wmaurik on May 31, 2022, 08:29:45 AM

Quartararo won the Mugello series last year, this proves that he can be strong at this circuit but it is true that the many straights are very advantageous for Bagnaia who rides an above average speed Ducati. but what Quartararo has done to reach podium 2 is extraordinary. it's just a matter of losing motor speed, not Quartararo skill.
Quartararo still standing at the top of the standings is inseparable from his consistency in each series, I think he is a strong candidate to become world champion again in 2022.

Fabio Quartararo actually has a few skills that other Yamaha riders don't have. You can clearly see how the achievements of the other Yamaha riders this season are not even reliable at all in some of the races that have taken place this season.
So in this case Fabio Quartararo deserves to be called extraordinary because he was able to fight the Ducati riders who were actually very fast at Mugello despite not being able to catch Bagnaia with the very fast factory Ducati Bike and Bagnaia also saved Ducati face at that time by giving victory at home.

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The next Grand Prix is going to be another street race which is in Azerbaijan. It has a wider track than the Monaco Grand Prix which gives the drivers a bigger advantage. I hope to watch an exciting race there hopefully because the Monaco Grand Prix was very boring. There is a nice rivalry between three drivers for the championship currently. I will wait for Leclerc to have a much better race this time. He should be able to win this time to improve his morale after this having a poor race. By the way, Russell is still very consistent as he finished another race in top 5. Grin

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Quote from: wmaurik on May 30, 2022, 10:44:12 AM

it's better in my opinion, even if it continues to be forced to play full for the rest of the race this season, Marc Marquez can't compete optimally.
Marc Marquez this season has been very down, he has never gotten a podium once and it proves that Marc Marquez has not fully recovered and returned to his best form.
I hope that after undergoing surgery Marc Marquez can be optimal and competitive again to compete in the front row.

How many times did Marquez crash and have to miss a race due to injury? It seems to be more than twice. CMIIW.
Honda should have conducted an investigation and provided repairs. Repairs were made to the motor or how Marquez handled the motor? If it is not done then it will continue to happen, then it is possible that Marquez's whole body will have a lot of traces of knife incisions and stitches from doctors. Granted this race was risky but it looked like Marquez crashed too many times, so maybe he could have retired earlier. If that happens then it's very sad.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on May 30, 2022, 02:44:52 PM

And both protests were rejected.

Yes, but it doesn't make it different from what happened.

Both Redbull broke a rule and as I understand they "changed" the regulation for the occasion, a bit like they did last year by giving the title to Max by "inventing" a change to the rule.

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Leclerc who was furious at the onboard radio. They had him come in for a pit stop while his teammate was already there at the time. Then he had to drive back into the field but by that time he was already in the pits. Those were very important seconds. What strikes me most is that Red Bull's management and strategy have been excellent every time and Mercedes and Ferrari are always far behind. Max is in the lead in the world championship and has made an excellent recovery.

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Quote from: DukeNickle on May 31, 2022, 08:34:05 AM

The competition level is getting higher and higher by every race in Formula 1 now. Verstappen has already managed to get past Leclerc in the driver standings by nine points if I'm not mistaken. Perez has also joined the race for the championship also by his great victory in the Monaco GP. Ferrari drivers started to stumble recently and it costs them big. Sainz was great in the last race but Leclerc had a very unlucky race because of a bad team call. Leclerc shouldn't have pitted at the same time with Sainz there. We also heard how angry Leclerc was with his team.

The great thing is, Max passed Charles and didn't finish two races, he would have been much more ahead if he finished those races, I am not even saying if he won, if he was second or even third he would have been ahead a lot more points. All in all both teams are struggling with these new cars.

We have seen teams keep having trouble at the start of the season, but now we are seeing stuff that are smaller, it is not like the first races where it was obvious big differences, but they are usually smaller stuff that decide the race winner by an inch. So all in all I have to say that it is not going to be an easy task to beat RB but RB could end up failing as well.

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The competition level is getting higher and higher by every race in Formula 1 now. Verstappen has already managed to get past Leclerc in the driver standings by nine points if I'm not mistaken. Perez has also joined the race for the championship also by his great victory in the Monaco GP. Ferrari drivers started to stumble recently and it costs them big. Sainz was great in the last race but Leclerc had a very unlucky race because of a bad team call. Leclerc shouldn't have pitted at the same time with Sainz there. We also heard how angry Leclerc was with his team.

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Quote from: Davian144 on May 31, 2022, 04:21:37 AM

Quartararo only took advantage of a few corners that he liked to chase his opponent and away from the Ducati riders, but unfortunately he didn't have enough power to get the win there (Mugello), and second place for Quartararo was very much deserved considering it was still could help him to maintain himself at the top of the standings temporarily.

Quartararo won the Mugello series last year, this proves that he can be strong at this circuit but it is true that the many straights are very advantageous for Bagnaia who rides an above average speed Ducati. but what Quartararo has done to reach podium 2 is extraordinary. it's just a matter of losing motor speed, not Quartararo skill.
Quartararo still standing at the top of the standings is inseparable from his consistency in each series, I think he is a strong candidate to become world champion again in 2022.

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Quote from: Roman_Picisan on May 30, 2022, 10:51:54 AM

Quote from: wmaurik on May 30, 2022, 10:44:12 AM

it's better in my opinion, even if it continues to be forced to play full for the rest of the race this season, Marc Marquez can't compete optimally.
Marc Marquez this season has been very down, he has never gotten a podium once and it proves that Marc Marquez has not fully recovered and returned to his best form.
I hope that after undergoing surgery Marc Marquez can be optimal and competitive again to compete in the front row.

today's defeat is a delayed victory, after this operation he will go crazy by returning to being a baby alien, even though he had previously announced that he would retire in 2024 before this operation would be the culmination of the opposite.

I don't think so, quite the opposite. After undergoing surgery it will be very difficult for Marc to return to his best form. especially if he is going to get a long rest really it will be more difficult.
Moto gp racers will not be able to return to their best performance after suffering a serious injury, it has been proven since ancient times and Marc Marquez is also experiencing it today. he has slumped in the last 2 seasons, at the age of 30 I think Marc Marquez will not return to the way he used to be, who was able to dominate and was nicknamed "baby alien"
Marquez era has ended. now we will be greeted by the charming appearance of the young racers.

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Quote from: Nasuhalugu on May 30, 2022, 04:48:12 AM

In the Italian MotoGP race which took place yesterday, it was seen when a fast race on a straight track the Ducati Bagnaia motorbike easily overtook the position of the Yamaha Quartararo motorbike.

That's a very natural thing to happen because Ducati has very high power in the MotoGP grid and also helped by the Mugello straight track which is very long so Bagnaia was able to take advantage of these two things to win there because last year Bagnaia did not win the race at Mugello due to Crash.

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Quartararo's prowess must also be recognized in yesterday's race because he was able to cut the GAP time with Pecco when cornering several times. But as you said the Ducati power is incredible.

Quartararo only took advantage of a few corners that he liked to chase his opponent and away from the Ducati riders, but unfortunately he didn't have enough power to get the win there (Mugello), and second place for Quartararo was very much deserved considering it was still could help him to maintain himself at the top of the standings temporarily.

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