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I thought he suffered some serious accident or illness, but I guess this is not as serious as I thought since he just returned to the hotel to rest[1]. Do you have any details related to his illness? Does he suffer from another case of food poisoning? IIRC, he also missed the first day/media duties in the past due to sickness, doesn't he?

[1] https://racingnews365.com/sainz-absent-from-first-day-at-saudi-arabian-gp-due-to-illness

He is normally expected to recover and be back by tomorrow but there isn't any guarantee given to that also. Sad

I would like to see Sainz getting ready as quick as possible. He started the season really great by finishing on podium. Leclerc could have got past him though if he didn't have a serious lock-up issue. But we are always looking at what we have in hand at the end of the day. Grin

By the way the quarrel recorded between Jos Verstappen and Christian Horner is said to be due to a secretary girlfriend problem. It is said that while Horner was writing to his secretary she was with Jos Verstappen already.

Looking like rose romances between Jos Verstappen and Horner.This only adds up to the quarrel but I don't think that it will impact the race of this weekend.I think that Redbull is still the strongest team although it showed that Ferrari was improved compared to last season and that see how things fold up in a very fast track like this one in Saudi Arabia,it should be a good and fun race to watch.

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Quote from: joniboini on March 07, 2024, 04:54:04 AM

I thought he suffered some serious accident or illness, but I guess this is not as serious as I thought since he just returned to the hotel to rest[1]. Do you have any details related to his illness? Does he suffer from another case of food poisoning? IIRC, he also missed the first day/media duties in the past due to sickness, doesn't he?

[1] https://racingnews365.com/sainz-absent-from-first-day-at-saudi-arabian-gp-due-to-illness

He is normally expected to recover and be back by tomorrow but there isn't any guarantee given to that also. Sad

I would like to see Sainz getting ready as quick as possible. He started the season really great by finishing on podium. Leclerc could have got past him though if he didn't have a serious lock-up issue. But we are always looking at what we have in hand at the end of the day. Grin

By the way the quarrel recorded between Jos Verstappen and Christian Horner is said to be due to a secretary girlfriend problem. It is said that while Horner was writing to his secretary she was with Jos Verstappen already.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on March 04, 2024, 12:21:06 PM

This season, however, it looks like the title will only go to a Ducati after the test rides, as the other teams seem to have little chance.

It's been so long since I've watched a MotoGP race, surprised to see Ducati being competitive. I guess it is not surprising if you've been following GP from a few seasons ago considering they dominated the 2023 season with 700 points. Hopefully, things won't be too predictable and we will have different winners so that the sport does not become stale. I also heard there is a new youngster with great potential this season (Pedro Acosta), let's see if he can do anything or if will he finish in the bottom standing just like previous rookies before him.

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At the moment he can't speak.

I thought he suffered some serious accident or illness, but I guess this is not as serious as I thought since he just returned to the hotel to rest[1]. Do you have any details related to his illness? Does he suffer from another case of food poisoning? IIRC, he also missed the first day/media duties in the past due to sickness, doesn't he?

[1] https://racingnews365.com/sainz-absent-from-first-day-at-saudi-arabian-gp-due-to-illness

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Sainz is sick!

Ferrari is not sure if he will able to race this weekend yet.

At the moment he can't speak.

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Quote from: püsür on March 06, 2024, 07:11:26 AM

All the big drivers are now preparing for 2026. For Max, it's more of a case of "mercedes" being better suited to the engine rules that will change in 2026 - because it's a car company. So, with the rumours about the redbull engine being negative, max is already looking to move to the team with the most potential. Obviously the most exciting part of this season will be wondering who will race where next year and following the developments. First alonso and then vettel's name was mentioned for the seat to be vacated at the end of the season in mercedes. Then, after the horner - jos verstappen controversy (I don't know how true and I don't know the details), rumours that max will move to mercedes and alonso to red bull. As crazy as it seems, I feel like there might be some truth in that.

Is that the reason, or are we just seeing him leveraging his position? Mercedes may look like they will have a good engine, but with that logic Ferrari should have a great engine as well, they make their own engines and a car company, but I doubt that they would. Look at previous time, Mercedes did well, but Ferrari didn't do as well as Mercedes did. Does that mean it's just about the team, or does that mean engine?

I feel like if Red Bull keeps being this good, then even with a better engine Mercedes may fail. I still think that Max may end up leaving, not because of anything engine related, but more like team related in the end. If he doesn't feel happy with changes, he could just go somewhere else and get wins there, he is that good.

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Quote from: FanEagle on March 05, 2024, 01:06:34 PM

After the big news that Hamilton will join Ferrari, now we have something even much bigger, which is Max maybe going to Mercedes as well. There are news about it if you google, and that could be just leverage as well to keep Horner in place.

So it won't be that easy again, Max Verstappen still has a contract with RedBull until 2028, so that will take a while, a lot of things would have to happen for Max to terminate his contract, so I don't think Max will switch to Mercedes, RedBull won't pay worse than Mercedes in terms of salary either.

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After the big news that Hamilton will join Ferrari, now we have something even much bigger, which is Max maybe going to Mercedes as well. There are news about it if you google, and that could be just leverage as well to keep Horner in place.

Max as we all know loves Horner, and that means that he will want him to stay, so this could be a ploy to say to the team that if you fire Horner, then next year I will join Mercedes. He already won so many titles, and he is not the type of racer that cares about even more, he will have like what 4 titles this year? That's more than enough for him, he is not the type that will want 8th. So I feel like it could very well be something special if that happens, and I wonder who will get Red Bull spot.

Not only that.

Mercedes is trying for Max as they said and it not they only big thing.

According to rumors if Horner will be "sacked" a release clause will be active for Adrian Newy, and Ferrari is monitoring the situation.

I don't think Horner will be sacked based on the investigation so far and judging by the behavior after the first race the Redbull team looks more solid than ever.So I don't think Ferrari will have a real chance to get Newey under these circumstances.They can try to make him a direct offer as I am sure Newey had his glorious time at McLaren first and now at Redbull so he may like to achieve something at Ferrari too.

So I did a little reading and asking around on what's really going on at Red Bull. So from what I've heard the team has split into two factions... Horner's side which has the support of the crew and Jos Verstappen's side which has the support of Marko Helmut. And here's the hilarious part... The girl that Horner supposedly harassed? Rumor is it's Jos Verstappen's girlfriend. Cheesy

No wonder the guy is pissed. Lmaoo.

So yeah, that's where the Max Verstappen rumor is coming from. It's either Horner leaves or Verstappen leaves.

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Quote from: retreat on March 06, 2024, 03:57:36 AM

Quote from: FanEagle on March 05, 2024, 01:06:34 PM

After the big news that Hamilton will join Ferrari, now we have something even much bigger, which is Max maybe going to Mercedes as well. There are news about it if you google, and that could be just leverage as well to keep Horner in place.

Max as we all know loves Horner, and that means that he will want him to stay, so this could be a ploy to say to the team that if you fire Horner, then next year I will join Mercedes. He already won so many titles, and he is not the type of racer that cares about even more, he will have like what 4 titles this year? That's more than enough for him, he is not the type that will want 8th. So I feel like it could very well be something special if that happens, and I wonder who will get Red Bull spot.

I also heard this rumor and was a little surprised how Max could possibly want to move from Red Bull. But I think that this is just a rumor, because Max is very comfortable at Red Bull now and he is already getting along with the car and especially he has signed a contract with RBR until 2028, so his chances of moving to Mercedes are probably very small. However, that does not rule out the possibility that Max could move, because the political situation at RBR is quite stressful and when he loses motivation to stay there, it is possible that he will decide to move.

All the big drivers are now preparing for 2026. For Max, it's more of a case of "mercedes" being better suited to the engine rules that will change in 2026 - because it's a car company. So, with the rumours about the redbull engine being negative, max is already looking to move to the team with the most potential. Obviously the most exciting part of this season will be wondering who will race where next year and following the developments. First alonso and then vettel's name was mentioned for the seat to be vacated at the end of the season in mercedes. Then, after the horner - jos verstappen controversy (I don't know how true and I don't know the details), rumours that max will move to mercedes and alonso to red bull. As crazy as it seems, I feel like there might be some truth in that.

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Quote from: FanEagle on March 05, 2024, 01:06:34 PM

After the big news that Hamilton will join Ferrari, now we have something even much bigger, which is Max maybe going to Mercedes as well. There are news about it if you google, and that could be just leverage as well to keep Horner in place.

Max as we all know loves Horner, and that means that he will want him to stay, so this could be a ploy to say to the team that if you fire Horner, then next year I will join Mercedes. He already won so many titles, and he is not the type of racer that cares about even more, he will have like what 4 titles this year? That's more than enough for him, he is not the type that will want 8th. So I feel like it could very well be something special if that happens, and I wonder who will get Red Bull spot.

Not only that.

Mercedes is trying for Max as they said and it not they only big thing.

According to rumors if Horner will be "sacked" a release clause will be active for Adrian Newy, and Ferrari is monitoring the situation.

I don't think Horner will be sacked based on the investigation so far and judging by the behavior after the first race the Redbull team looks more solid than ever.So I don't think Ferrari will have a real chance to get Newey under these circumstances.They can try to make him a direct offer as I am sure Newey had his glorious time at McLaren first and now at Redbull so he may like to achieve something at Ferrari too.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on March 05, 2024, 09:55:22 AM

Bagnaia has done very well in the tests, almost frightening (even the second factory Ducati) for the competition. But the contract has already been signed and the salary will suit Bagnaia, I don't think it will be raised again after the contract is signed, there will be bonuses for victories and the world championship title.

What you say is not wrong, but based on what I read in the media id.motorsport.com it says "the Italian manufacturer's salary policy shows that the #1 driver will get around seven million euros as a base salary, which will be increased by a variable amount depending on results. If Bagnaia defends his third title in a row, his salary will most likely reach 10 million euros".

But for now I am not really focused on that issue except on how the first race of this season will take place in Qatar, because as has been seen before, Ducati is indeed holding more dominance in Qatar so it is likely that Ducati motorbikes will fill all the podiums. This is quite reasonable because other manufacturers are not as scary this season even though they can still provide surprises in certain conditions.

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Quote from: FanEagle on March 05, 2024, 01:06:34 PM

After the big news that Hamilton will join Ferrari, now we have something even much bigger, which is Max maybe going to Mercedes as well. There are news about it if you google, and that could be just leverage as well to keep Horner in place.

Max as we all know loves Horner, and that means that he will want him to stay, so this could be a ploy to say to the team that if you fire Horner, then next year I will join Mercedes. He already won so many titles, and he is not the type of racer that cares about even more, he will have like what 4 titles this year? That's more than enough for him, he is not the type that will want 8th. So I feel like it could very well be something special if that happens, and I wonder who will get Red Bull spot.

I also heard this rumor and was a little surprised how Max could possibly want to move from Red Bull. But I think that this is just a rumor, because Max is very comfortable at Red Bull now and he is already getting along with the car and especially he has signed a contract with RBR until 2028, so his chances of moving to Mercedes are probably very small. However, that does not rule out the possibility that Max could move, because the political situation at RBR is quite stressful and when he loses motivation to stay there, it is possible that he will decide to move.

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Quote from: FanEagle on March 05, 2024, 01:06:34 PM

After the big news that Hamilton will join Ferrari, now we have something even much bigger, which is Max maybe going to Mercedes as well. There are news about it if you google, and that could be just leverage as well to keep Horner in place.

Max as we all know loves Horner, and that means that he will want him to stay, so this could be a ploy to say to the team that if you fire Horner, then next year I will join Mercedes. He already won so many titles, and he is not the type of racer that cares about even more, he will have like what 4 titles this year? That's more than enough for him, he is not the type that will want 8th. So I feel like it could very well be something special if that happens, and I wonder who will get Red Bull spot.

Not only that.

Mercedes is trying for Max as they said and it not they only big thing.

According to rumors if Horner will be "sacked" a release clause will be active for Adrian Newy, and Ferrari is monitoring the situation.

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After the big news that Hamilton will join Ferrari, now we have something even much bigger, which is Max maybe going to Mercedes as well. There are news about it if you google, and that could be just leverage as well to keep Horner in place.

Max as we all know loves Horner, and that means that he will want him to stay, so this could be a ploy to say to the team that if you fire Horner, then next year I will join Mercedes. He already won so many titles, and he is not the type of racer that cares about even more, he will have like what 4 titles this year? That's more than enough for him, he is not the type that will want 8th. So I feel like it could very well be something special if that happens, and I wonder who will get Red Bull spot.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on March 04, 2024, 03:25:26 PM

Lets see how slowly and if Marquez can adapt to the Ducati.

He may be able to win something this year.

I don't expect much more from Marc, he will still be able to fight for the podium in the next few years and for one or two wins, but I think the changeover to the Ducati will take too long to become world champion again.

Quote from: Davian144 on March 05, 2024, 07:02:59 AM

I also don't think that other teams will have a chance to win this season after seeing Ducati's speed during pre-season testing and there is news circulating that Bagnaia will be able to win again this season like last season. Ducati will increase Bagnaia's salary next season to a number which is quite fantastic in my opinion, because this is certainly quite reasonable considering Bagnaia's potential on the Ducati motorbike which has been known for being fast over the years.

Bagnaia has done very well in the tests, almost frightening (even the second factory Ducati) for the competition. But the contract has already been signed and the salary will suit Bagnaia, I don't think it will be raised again after the contract is signed, there will be bonuses for victories and the world championship title.

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Biggest loser in this rwce was Leclerc.

why? he did an amazing job considering he got problems with brakes since the start.

It is an unusual problem and Brembo is already investigating the problem.

That he did but still the biggest loser given the result of the race. I was thinking he could get to the podium instead of Perez. But I guess it's better to move on and focus on the next race. Leclerc is as good as at least second place barring any technical issues.

2024 F1 Saudi Arabian GP Schedule
Track: Jedda Corniche Circuit

March 7: Practice 1 16:30 - 17:30
March 7: Practice 2 20:00 - 21:00
March 8: Practice 3 16:30 - 17:30
March 8: Qualifying 20:00 - 21:00
March 9: Race 20:00

Which car was fastest in the straights at the last race? :/

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After 3 days of investigations in Ferrari they haven't figured out yet what caused the problems on brakes for Leclerc.

Let's hope they find out before this weekend for the race.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on March 04, 2024, 12:21:06 PM

The new MotoGP season finally starts in a few days, and just in time for the start of the new season, Bagnaia has extended his contract with Ducati by 2 years until 2026.

Bagnaia and Ducati sign two-year

This season, however, it looks like the title will only go to a Ducati after the test rides, as the other teams seem to have little chance.

I also don't think that other teams will have a chance to win this season after seeing Ducati's speed during pre-season testing and there is news circulating that Bagnaia will be able to win again this season like last season. Ducati will increase Bagnaia's salary next season to a number which is quite fantastic in my opinion, because this is certainly quite reasonable considering Bagnaia's potential on the Ducati motorbike which has been known for being fast over the years.

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Quote from: boltz on March 03, 2024, 05:46:33 PM

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Meanwhile , the RedBull drama story since to go on as Joe Verstappen name was mentioned in a Dutch paper but also some online news and the reason would be that Max might be next driver of Mercedes when the new regulation will hit because Joe doesn't trust Horner anymore ... . I won't be shocked to see more and more details about this internal fight that Redbull has within the shadows.

Yeah, I have also seen it on Motorsport website. Jos Verstappen doesn't want to see Horner at Red Bull anymore. If Horner doesn't leave at some point it is really possible to see Verstappen switching to Mercedes even next year. Shocked

It would be a huge challenge for Verstappen if this really happens. Because you know there is a huge gap between Mercedes and Red Bull now.

There is a possibility like Helmut Marko and Adrian Newey could leave together also. This technically means Horner would also leave considering the condition existing on his contract.

For now Toto Wolff doesn't want to rush anything about a driver decision.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on March 04, 2024, 12:21:06 PM

The new MotoGP season finally starts in a few days, and just in time for the start of the new season, Bagnaia has extended his contract with Ducati by 2 years until 2026.

This season, however, it looks like the title will only go to a Ducati after the test rides, as the other teams seem to have little chance.

Lets see how slowly and if Marquez can adapt to the Ducati.

He may be able to win something this year.

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The new MotoGP season finally starts in a few days, and just in time for the start of the new season, Bagnaia has extended his contract with Ducati by 2 years until 2026.

Bagnaia and Ducati sign two-year

This season, however, it looks like the title will only go to a Ducati after the test rides, as the other teams seem to have little chance.

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