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Quote from: swogerino on February 14, 2024, 06:41:57 AM

To me it looks great the Mercedes,most probably they got back to their old design because they want to give that feeling of thos glorious days to Hamilton which will be in his final season at Mercedes.The liveries of all cars so far look beautiful yet I look more forward to the testing days before the race start in the end of February as they can give us an overview about car performances.

Yeah they must have wanted to bring back the old days to minds. But when it comes to reality I'm not much expectant from Mercedes. Tongue

I mean a championship race. Because probably Red Bull domination will continue to be seen during 2024 and 2025 season both. Mercedes' direct opponents are Ferrari and McLaren for now.

As I have mentioned McLaren do you think they will be able to be more competitive this season? I would really like them joining the race for the 2nd position in constructor standings.

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Kimi Antonelli is rumored to be the next Mercedes driver in 2025

He is now 17 but a progedy.

It would be a big risk for Mercedes to give a 17-year-old a place in the works team. What do you think about the possibility of the 17 year old being parked at Williams in the first season, but don't really know which Williams driver could play a role at Mercedes in the meantime?

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Quote from: Koal-84 on February 13, 2024, 09:10:04 AM

The MotoGP tests in Sepang have also come to an end, no surprise the Ducatis are ahead of the Aprilias, Bagnaia has set an absolute new lap record with 1:56.682, and was about 8 tenths faster than the last pole position of 2023.

The Ducati Gp24 for this season seems to be much better than last year's motorbike so I don't feel surprised if Bagnaia was able to set a time record like that at the Sepang test some time ago. However, everyone needs to see how things develop in Qatar because the inaugural MotoGP Series for this season is getting closer.

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A big surprise for me was Yamaha's top speed, apparently they found something with the engine after all.

I was also surprised by the top speed recorded by the Yamaha factory at the Sepang test some time ago, but basically Yamaha still has to improve more for this season and cannot be happy with the top speed score. The reason is that Ducati will definitely make its motorbike speed much better in Qatar later, so Yamaha and other manufacturers still have to work hard before the season starts.

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Lol don't think so. They had one of the best CTO's in F1 in Binotto but what they lacked was good leadership and a good strategist. Horner could bring it and if Newey tags along with him and with Hamilton now with the team..? Omg, they def will win titles and I'm here for it. It's been a while since that first Verstappen win. I want to see some excitement back in F1 again. Grin

And is it just me or is it really in the realms of possbility that Vettel will be Red Bull's next team principal? There were some signs he was going to be while he was driving for them. He was always known to be in the garage with the engineers or with Horner trying to learn more about the ins and outs of the team.

RBR is stong cause of Newey, he is the Messi of the F1.

True... But that doesn't take away anything from Horner as one of the best team principals the sport has ever seen or Verstappen is one of the best drivers we've ever seen drive an F1 car. Remember that it didn't just take Newey to win podiums and championships... It took the whole team to do it. I doubt Newey would get the same accolades if the driver and the team principal weren't so good. :/

F1 is a team sport more than it's let on because all we see most of the time are the drivers and all the cameras are mostly pointed at the race.

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Quote from: Distraction on February 14, 2024, 06:01:37 AM

Aaand Mercedes have also introduced their 2024 car!

Truthfully I wasn't expecting the colors to be like its old version. I mean I really loved the full black design so this was a bit of a disappointment for me. Sad

But it doesn't still look bad of course. The car still looks gorgeous.

Red Bull are going to introduce their car tomorrow. I guess there wouldn't be a huge change in their usual design but let's see.

To me it looks great the Mercedes,most probably they got back to their old design because they want to give that feeling of thos glorious days to Hamilton which will be in his final season at Mercedes.The liveries of all cars so far look beautiful yet I look more forward to the testing days before the race start in the end of February as they can give us an overview about car performances.

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Aaand Mercedes have also introduced their 2024 car!

Truthfully I wasn't expecting the colors to be like its old version. I mean I really loved the full black design so this was a bit of a disappointment for me. Sad

But it doesn't still look bad of course. The car still looks gorgeous.

Red Bull are going to introduce their car tomorrow. I guess there wouldn't be a huge change in their usual design but let's see.

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The MotoGP tests in Sepang have also come to an end, no surprise the Ducatis are ahead of the Aprilias, Bagnaia has set an absolute new lap record with 1:56.682, and was about 8 tenths faster than the last pole position of 2023.

https://www.motogp.com/de/gp-results/2024/my2/motogp/fp3/classification

A big surprise for me was Yamaha's top speed, apparently they found something with the engine after all.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on February 11, 2024, 12:11:03 PM

Big days ahead.

Mercedes, Ferrari and RBR will be presented in the next 4 days.

More black cars?

Mercedes is the weakest team about the speed of the car and about the progress of the development of the car. yes, if you only get the top 3 constructors at the end of the season it's easy. but if the drivers' world champion or the constructors' world champion is very unlikely to happen for Mercedes with a slow car.

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Quote from: FanEagle on February 11, 2024, 02:23:33 PM

I would say Horner looks EXACTLY like the type of boss you wouldn't want to have that does mobbing. I mean he looks quite intense and quite arrogant and he thinks he knows it all because he holds the power. So, if some smaller level employee did something he didn't like, he probably "abused" as in like yelled and threw stuff and so forth.

This is still a quite terrible thing and yet it is so normalized in society that we do not see that as a problem, we just warn him and move on and he tries to control himself a bit more, loses himself a bit again time to time but tries to be better. It is of course not as terrible as abuse in other sense, that would be disgusting, but I really doubt that would be the case, it is just bullying because he is a real bully, we can see that.

I'm very sceptical about this kind of stuff, things like #meToo and similar. Nowadays it's easy to ruin someone's reputation, and even if you're innocent, it still leaves mark in your reputation.
If it wasn't sexual harassment, it would be interesting to know what exactly was that "controlling beheaviour". Not defending Horner and not saying that boss can do whatever he wants and whatever he likes to his employes. But in general, some people nowadays are soft like snowflakes and you can't tell anything to them.
It looked that everything goes almost perfect for Red Bull, it would be shame if team will collapse in this way.

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Kimi Antonelli is a big big doubt, because he is so young. Not that it doesn't pan out, Max was so young when he started as well. By the time Hamilton leaves, Kimi will be 18 years old and he would be having one season at f2 with one of the best ever teams under his belt, could even end up winning the title considering Prema always gets a good car out every year, so that would definitely make sense.

However, when you are getting a young driver like that, you are risking the possibility that they may not pan out. Whereas, we have so many great talents at f2 that is getting overlooked, I feel like they should be getting some attention as well, I know that there are only limited seats at f1, but f2 should be looked at more with how some of the drivers are not good at all for f1.

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Kimi Antonelli is rumored to be the next Mercedes driver in 2025

He is now 17 but a progedy.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on February 11, 2024, 12:11:03 PM

Big days ahead.

Mercedes, Ferrari and RBR will be presented in the next 4 days.

More black cars?

It is nice to hear Mercedes will launch their car for next season at Silverstone track.

It is a special track for both of their drivers. I guess we would see another full black car by Mercedes and I think the color fits them just great. Cool

The car launch is going to be made on Valentine's Day by the way.

I don't think RBR would also change the design much. But when it comes to Ferrari I'm always expectant for different designs. Red would dominate the car as usual though but some simple touches can make the car look more appealing.

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Norris alwady said that they can win races this year.

I don't know if they think they did a big step to catch RedBull or RBR can't improve anymore.

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I would say Horner looks EXACTLY like the type of boss you wouldn't want to have that does mobbing. I mean he looks quite intense and quite arrogant and he thinks he knows it all because he holds the power. So, if some smaller level employee did something he didn't like, he probably "abused" as in like yelled and threw stuff and so forth.

This is still a quite terrible thing and yet it is so normalized in society that we do not see that as a problem, we just warn him and move on and he tries to control himself a bit more, loses himself a bit again time to time but tries to be better. It is of course not as terrible as abuse in other sense, that would be disgusting, but I really doubt that would be the case, it is just bullying because he is a real bully, we can see that.

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Big days ahead.

Mercedes, Ferrari and RBR will be presented in the next 4 days.

More black cars?

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Quote from: Distraction on February 11, 2024, 04:18:51 AM

Quote from: FanEagle on February 09, 2024, 03:32:25 PM

From what I understand, Horner didn't do anything regarding that type of sexual in nature stuff, it is just "controlling" that was discussed. That is a broad term but has nothing to do with sexual allegations because if that was the case then they would just say that.

This could be anything from "you can't take a sick day" to "you have to answer my emails within an hour", it's a boss thing, he just had a controlling relationship, basically what we call "mobbing" in the work place. I wouldn't be shocked to learn Horner did mobbing, that is normal in the business world unfortunately and people who are that much at the top think that they are gods, that can't be questioned, and this could be the main reason why all of this started.

I hope there is no such scandalous thing happened with Christian Horner. Because it just doesn't make sense to me at all. He hasn't been such type of person so far. Why would he do such thing now to risk his job?

Mobbing is everywhere unfortunately if it is just the type of mobbing we are used to see in every work of field. Sad

If it isn't a more serious problem than that I wouldn't expect Horner to quit his job or to get sacked. Red Bull wouldn't like to have crisis situation while the new season is not too far away from us now.

Every human being is weak and Horner is no exception to this rule.I hope that this voice is not true at all as it would be very damaging to his legacy and to F1 in general,yet I think this is done by some evil people wanting to capitalize financial gain from putting such voices aroind.What is worse is that now is the start of the season soon.

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Quote from: FanEagle on February 09, 2024, 03:32:25 PM

From what I understand, Horner didn't do anything regarding that type of sexual in nature stuff, it is just "controlling" that was discussed. That is a broad term but has nothing to do with sexual allegations because if that was the case then they would just say that.

This could be anything from "you can't take a sick day" to "you have to answer my emails within an hour", it's a boss thing, he just had a controlling relationship, basically what we call "mobbing" in the work place. I wouldn't be shocked to learn Horner did mobbing, that is normal in the business world unfortunately and people who are that much at the top think that they are gods, that can't be questioned, and this could be the main reason why all of this started.

I hope there is no such scandalous thing happened with Christian Horner. Because it just doesn't make sense to me at all. He hasn't been such type of person so far. Why would he do such thing now to risk his job?

Mobbing is everywhere unfortunately if it is just the type of mobbing we are used to see in every work of field. Sad

If it isn't a more serious problem than that I wouldn't expect Horner to quit his job or to get sacked. Red Bull wouldn't like to have crisis situation while the new season is not too far away from us now.

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Quote from: FanEagle on February 09, 2024, 03:32:25 PM

From what I understand, Horner didn't do anything regarding that type of sexual in nature stuff, it is just "controlling" that was discussed. That is a broad term but has nothing to do with sexual allegations because if that was the case then they would just say that.

At this point, I doubt anything happen in RBR.

They are only days away from the presentation of their car.

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From what I understand, Horner didn't do anything regarding that type of sexual in nature stuff, it is just "controlling" that was discussed. That is a broad term but has nothing to do with sexual allegations because if that was the case then they would just say that.

This could be anything from "you can't take a sick day" to "you have to answer my emails within an hour", it's a boss thing, he just had a controlling relationship, basically what we call "mobbing" in the work place. I wouldn't be shocked to learn Horner did mobbing, that is normal in the business world unfortunately and people who are that much at the top think that they are gods, that can't be questioned, and this could be the main reason why all of this started.

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Quote from: swogerino on February 09, 2024, 05:27:31 AM

The Silverstone Gp is a legendar

Gb is the home of F1, the track will stay in F1 forever now.

Monaco is not is such great place atm (monza too but for different reasons)

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