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What a disaster for Martin, his odds right now are so low.

It is almost impossible now for him to win.

Now the distance between Martin and Bagnaia is only 7 points after Martin successfully won the Sprint yesterday and Bagnaia was only able to finish the Sprint in the top five. This is what causes the points distance to get closer and makes Bagnaia have to be able to win today in the main race. By the way, after seeing Pedro Acosta celebrating his world championship in Moto2, today I also saw Jaume Masia celebrating his world championship in Moto3 today. Let's see how the results of the Lusail Qatar MotoGP main race are today, even though in the poll many people chose Martin as the champion rider this season.

I thought the Las Vegas race was quite boring because the shape of the track was like an "upside-down pig", but I was wrong, it was very exciting, especially when Charles fought Max and Checo, the dude really pushed the performance of his car and showed off his skills. In the final lap he really made an aggressive corner which took him to P2 and got rid of Checo, if only Sainz had been in P2 maybe we would have been able to see a proper race between Redbull vs Ferrari.

I was really surprised when I saw FIA doing the right thing about the Verstappen - Leclerc rivalry at the beginning.    Because you know how FIA are acting different mostly for some "special drivers". Verstappen is that driver now and it was Hamilton in the past also. I didn't even understand the reason why Verstappen acted like it wasn't his fault. Leclerc was ahead of him while entering that turn in the end.

When it comes to the race it was really lovely truthfully.    This was such a horrible track for F1 above all else. But the race went on much more enjoyable than I imagined. We saw lots of SC situations.

That rivalry among Verstappen-Leclerc-Perez trio was also incredible!    I would have liked to see a better defending from Perez at the turn Leclerc overtook him in the last lap though.

Surely Leclerc is not the guy to race in an overaggressive mode and you cannot expect that from him,just remember the Monza race where Leclerc did not over do it against Sainz at that race,the only good from him was that he did not care at all about the team orders and he fought until the very last lap against his team mate although not in aggressive mode.

The fact that Verstappen only won by 2 seconds advantage means that Redbull did not dominate the race and I wonder how come Perez came from 12th to 3rd to get another podium and definitively winning the 2nd place for Redbull and most likely securing the other year spot at Redbull.

Didn't continue watching the race after the first 5 laps when Verstappen pushed Leclerc off the track, went off the track himself and he didn't give the position back to Leclerc.  If Verstappen tried pulling off a move like that against Hamilton pretty sure they would've crashed and be off the race as Hamilton wouldn't take any shenanigans from Verstappen.  Lmao.

These guys need to toughen up if they want to go toe to toe vs Verstappen imho.  Hamilton showed how it can be done.  And it's gonna be more entertaining for the fans.  

2023 F1 Las Vegas GP Race Results

1   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   50 Laps
2   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   + 2.070s
3   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Red Bull Racing   + 2.241s
4   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   + 18.665s
5   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   + 20.067s
6   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   + 20.834s
7   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   + 21.755s
8   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   + 23.091s
9   Fernando Alonso   ESP   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   + 25.964s
10   Oscar Piastri   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   + 29.496s
11   Pierre Gasly   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   + 34.270s
12   Alex Albon   THA   Williams Racing   + 43.398s
13   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   + 44.825s
14   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   Scuderia AlphaTauri   + 48.525s
15   Zhou Guanyu   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Stake   + 50.162s
16   Logan Sargeant   USA   Williams Racing   + 50.882s
17   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Stake   + 85.350s
18   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri   DNF
19   Nico Hulkenberg   GER   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   DNF
20   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   DNF

Here are the highlights of the race.

2023 Las Vegas Grand Prix - Race Highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9qSwDxF6YI

Yup, Leclerc made a good performance in the qualifying session by pushing his car, but it was a shame that Sainz had to be punished and put him in P12. This caused Ferrari's strategy to be disrupted, because with Sainz in P2, it could limit Max's movements, but unfortunately Max was behind Leclerc which meant that Ferrari had little chance of winning this race. Hopefully Ferrari can maintain its position, at least they have to get P3 to not be embarrassed.

Disaster for Bagnaia he lost points again.

He had a chance before today of winning the title this weekend.

Not it is mathematically impossible

Yeah, teams reaction surprised me in negative way. And that 10 places penalty is so unfair. Yes, Ferrari changed lot of car components, but that was completely not team or Sainz fault.
Didn't expected to see Leclerc pole, but I wouldn't be very surprised if he will lose P1 to Max before Turn 1.
Already set my alarm clock to get up for race - it will start at 8 AM in my country.

If such a series of disgraces had happened not so long ago, 10 or 15 years ago, both the pilots and the teams of that time would have raised the roof. Today's pilots, team owners or teams (with exceptions) have become the slave to the almighty dollar. They still speak shamelessly "it is a great pleasure to compete here". Shame on everyone who ruin this sport, which I admired in my childhood. That being said, visually it is impressive. Visually, it is a dream track. I had had enough of street tracks, but las vegas really looks not bad.

Sainz will do a great race, with this Ferrari he may aim for the podium.

It will be interesting for the tyre management they even rumored 3 or 4 pitboxs.

I also want to wait for the competition between the two of them in the sprint race. The results of the sprint race will make it easier for us to read whose chances are greater to win MotoGP 2023. The results of the sprint race will make both of them even more enthusiastic about welcoming the race in this series because the results from Q2 really make it clear that one of them doesn't want to give up and wants to compete. this happens in the series finale.
Bagnaia for the sprint race seems to be a little away from Martin. More and more curious.

After watching FP2, Q1 and Q2 today, it seems that today's Sprint Race will be quite fierce because Bagnaia and Martin are on a fairly close grid for both of them with Luca Marini managing to become pole position today. I will wait for the Sprint to see how Martin and Bagnaia compete to score points because there are three riders from satellite teams who might be an obstacle for both of them today, but I am quite sure that Bagnaia and Martin will try to push forward from the start.

Ferrari had a great day in qualifying today. I was expecting them to be competitive though. Because Ferrari are known by being better on straights compared to their performance at turns. Leclerc and Sainz took advantage of that very nicely as a result. It was nice to see Sainz being right behind Leclerc despite having a rough weekend so far.

However he is going to be starting at the 12th position of course. But I still am confident he will climb many positions. Verstappen is starting right behind Leclerc and I wonder how much time it will take him to overtake Leclerc.

Oh..?  That sucks.  I wonder what's it gonna look like for Sainz to finish top 3 and top 6 on the grid.  They've been the fastest for almost all sessions of the weekend so far...

*checks the lines*

Ah no value.  :/  What prolly could have value tho is 'car to set fastest lap' at 3.45 for Ferrari.    Could be worth a small bet there as Sainz will surely be pushing it the whole race.

Here are FP3 and quali results.

F1 Las Vegas GP FP3 Results

1      George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m34.093s
2   Oscar Piastri   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m34.491s
3   Logan Sargeant   USA   Williams Racing   1m34.645s
4   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m34.643s
5   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m34.706s
6   Alex Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m34.726s
7   Fernando Alonso   ESP   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m34.788s
8   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m34.853s
9   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Stake   1m34.908s
10   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m35.067s
11   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m35.089s
12   Nico Hulkenberg   GER   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m35.112s
13   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m35.253s
14   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m35.297s
15   Zhou Guanyu   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Stake   1m35.881s
16   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m35.908s
17   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m35.939s
18   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m36.087s
19   Pierre Gasly   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m36.485s
20   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m37.778s

F1 Las Vegas GP Quali Results

1      Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m33.617s   1m32.775s   1m32.726s
2   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m33.851s   1m33.338s   1m32.770s
3   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m34.190s   1m33.572s   1m33.104s
4   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m34.137s   1m33.351s   1m33.112s
5   Pierre Gasly   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m34.272s   1m33.494s   1m33.239s
6   Alex Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m34.634s   1m33.588s   1m33.323s
7   Logan Sargeant   USA   Williams Racing   1m34.525s   1m33.733s   1m33.513s
8   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Stake   1m34.305s   1m33.809s   1m33.525s
9   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m34.337s   1m33.664s   1m33.537s
10   Fernando Alonso   ESP   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m34.422s   1m33.617s   1m33.555s
11   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m34.307s   1m33.837s   
12   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Bull Racing   1m34.574s   1m33.855s   
13   Nico Hulkenberg   GER   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m34.265s   1m33.979s   
14   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m34.504s   1m34.199s   
15   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m34.683s   1m34.308s   
16   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m34.703s       
17   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m34.834s       
18   Zhou Guanyu   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Stake   1m34.849s       
19   Oscar Piastri   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m34.850s       
20   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri

what a stupid rule for Sainz.

Got a penalty, losing 200k more euros for repairs and for nobody's Ferrari fault.

FIA decided upon a 10-place grid penalty for Carlos Sainz because of replacing parts after that incident. This is just insane!     How can you find Sainz or Ferrari guilty about that drain cover incident? You are responsible for the safety of the track. Teams are relying on you to have full checks of the track so that they can be relieved about sending their drivers to the track in sessions.

But you don't just make do with not checking the track properly. You are even giving that grid penalty to Sainz like nothing happened.

This is ridiculous kind of management by FIA. Nothing has changed since that fiasco at the end of the 2021 season. 

After so much money were invested into this GP, it's ridiculous that such things happens. And when you see thathole in Sainz car, it could have ended much worse. Now both Alpine and Ferrari will have to use new chasis because of these accidents. And cherry on top was helding P2 behind closed doors. I still don't get exact reasons why they done it, but fans who paid so much money fortickets should be mad.
I'm not big fan of Las Vegas GP, butall these lights and sphere looks impressive. But that's all what I can say about this track. I expect that Liberty Media have already prepared some cring things that happens only in America for Saturday and Sunday.

FP2 was delayed due to some man hole cover missing.  Lmao.  As it's a new track, this doesn't look good.  How many more shenanigans are there for the track?  I hope everything is good and ready for the race...  And not just that, I hope everything will be safe for the drivers.

All in all, watched a bit of FP2 and I gotta say the view of the buildings with the lights are good.  Kinda like a GT game.    Anybody play GT here?

Here are the results for both FP1 and FP2.

F1 Las Vegas GP FP1 Results

1      Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m40.909s
2   Nico Hulkenberg   GER   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m43.446s
3   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m44.261s
4   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m44.397s
5   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m45.365s
6   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m45.497s
7   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m45.824s
8   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m45.908s
9   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m46.793s
10   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Stake   1m47.147s
11   Pierre Gasly   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m48.253s
12   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m48.513s
13   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m48.650s
14   Zhou Guanyu   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Stake   1m48.822s
15   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m48.947s
16   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   No Time Set
17   Oscar Piastri   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   No Time Set
18   Alex Albon   THA   Williams Racing   No Time Set
19   Fernando Alonso   ESP   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   No Time Set
20   Logan Sargeant   USA   Williams Racing   No Time Set

F1 Las Vegas GP FP2 Results

1   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m35.265s
2   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m35.782s
3   Fernando Alonso   ESP   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m35.793s
4   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m36.085s
5   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Stake   1m36.129s
6   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m36.183s
7   Nico Hulkenberg   GER   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m36.489s
8   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m36.496s
9   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m36.663s
10   Alex Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m36.688s
11   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m36.864s
12   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m36.890s
13   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m36.917s
14   Oscar Piastri   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m36.987s
15   Pierre Gasly   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m37.134s
16   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m37.241s
17   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m37.412s
18   Zhou Guanyu   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Stake   1m37.656s
19   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m37.680s
20   Logan Sargeant   USA   Williams Racing   1m38.140s

They really did ruined F1 and more than this look at what Liberty Media is doing right now with F1 in Vegas. They chose to make a 99% show race and 1% real racing and guess what , it didn't work because they really had 0 concerns about track and safety and we all saw what happened with Sainz and Ocon during the incident on the concrete manhole that almost ruined both cars completely.

Yep , I must admit that this year is one of the most non-enjoyable for me in the last 20 years...