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newbie
Activity: 15
Merit: 1
February 22, 2018, 04:04:58 PM
After some time this is really interesting project and I´m looking forward to see the progress. As a lawyer (business law in EU) I can help you with legal questions and with translation to Slovak/Czech language to cover Central Europe region, last two years I´m intesively interested in cryptos. I´m thinking not only about airdrop, but about effective help  Smiley


Hi! I am Slovak too. I tried to send you message but you have disallowed to receive messages from "Newbie" accounts.
newbie
Activity: 15
Merit: 1
February 22, 2018, 03:07:21 PM
Hi tk808,

first of all I want to thank you for your try to create new cryptocurrency/blockchain platform based on the right principles. Actually I am one of the original stakeholders of NEM and 4 years ago the right principles behind the NEM was also the reason I participated.
I only hope that you will not have same problem like Utopianfuture had (he owned lots of sockpuppets accounts). Becuase that was really disappointment for me in past. I really hope that you are different and the right leader.

So below is my opinions/questions to you:
1. I will be really happy if you can show us your real identity. I think in these days it is nice to know what person is leading the project.
I also think that identity of whole team should be public. Or what is the reason to hide your real identity (no offense)?

2. I think that better will be total supply of 1 000 000 000 XEV. Voted 125 000 000 XEV is much better then original 1 000 000 but I still think that for widespread use the higher number will be better. That is my opinion and I think 1 billion is the right number.

3. I pretty like that distribution will be only here on bitcointalk. I know what is your reason to do it and I totally agree. I think here we can build much stronger community and much advanced community. Maybe it is old fashioned today but I like it.

4. I think that the main problem is to find experienced blockchain developer to work full-time in Nevra project. Do you have any right now? From whitepaper I understant that there is not any blockchain developer in Nevra team right now.

5. What is the real purpose and goal of Nevra blockchain? To be blockchain platform for businesses/individuals like NEM? Or only just currency? From my point of view more important in future will be blockchain platform like NEM, Ardor, Ethereum and not just crypto currency (like Dash, Litecoin, ...).

6. If Nevra will be fork of NEM blockchain which version of NEM? The new unreleased version of NEM 2.0 Catapult? Will be the new version opensourced?
Because I think that fork the actual ("old") version of NEM is not good idea. But I do not know if the new version will be opensourced (I am not sure).
Also I am not sure if to fork NEM is the best idea. If Nevra just fork NEM it always be just the fork of NEM. The initial idea of NEM was same - just fork NXT. But then team decided to code new blockchain from scratch. And you can see that it was the best decision they can made.

On the other hand I know that to code completly new blockchain from scratch is really hard task and of course Nevra will not be able to launch mainnet on Q3/2018. Maybe Q3/2019 Smiley.

So for now this is really interesting idea but of course it lacks technical details. And technical details is also really important. So I will be happy to read some opinions from team developers (in future) about their idea of building blockchain from scratch or to just fork NEM.

Hey man, you have a lot of wonderful questions here, that i definitely have a response to, and will later respond to each question here on BTT.

There's a Q&A on our discord in 1 hour, 6pm UTC, and i'm going to use some of these questions and answer them on discord before i answer them here on BTT.

Feel free to stop by and ask these questions anyways though, really appreciate it!

https://discordapp.com/invite/BjFGVeR

Thanks for inviting to discord. I just do not have time right now to be there but I will be happy to see answers/your opinions to my questions here :-).
newbie
Activity: 15
Merit: 1
February 22, 2018, 02:43:22 PM
Excited to be able to comment on this a bit more deeply now that there is a paper and slick web landing page up and running.

The strongest principle here is the attempt at a distributed airdrop.  Really like the way REBL did this, and it's build a fierce community around them.  However - their coin isn't as technical as Nevra, and there's something about the proposal here that is likely to attract more of the crypto diehards.  Very technical, fairly distributed coins, have a lot of potential for the future.  Keep up the current branding as it is superb.
full member
Activity: 462
Merit: 101
February 22, 2018, 02:17:29 PM
Hello, I hope that this project will success and that team will enough strong to develop blockchain which will be able to compete with the most famous cryptocurrencies on the market. I think that strong community and involved development team there are two most important factors of the successful crypto project. 
newbie
Activity: 82
Merit: 0
February 22, 2018, 01:37:12 PM
After some time this is really interesting project and I´m looking forward to see the progress. As a lawyer (business law in EU) I can help you with legal questions and with translation to Slovak/Czech language to cover Central Europe region, last two years I´m intesively interested in cryptos. I´m thinking not only about airdrop, but about effective help  Smiley
newbie
Activity: 20
Merit: 2
February 22, 2018, 01:09:08 PM
There's a guy on Telegram named "DW" (username: @dw_2202) spamming tens of people or even more trying to get the word out about this Nevra thing. Well, that shouldn't be the way to get attention here. Really disappointed in this project and I hope you'll stop spamming people. It's ridiculous.

What a rush and unsound decision! how can you judge a whole community for the actions of a few, had you taken the time to do some research or at least read the OP you would have realized that promotion is not what this project is focused on at this moment. no project can contain the excitement of the members or stop them for voicing their opinions about it whether be it spam or not. utilize the options available to you to stop the spam and move on.
sr. member
Activity: 868
Merit: 279
February 22, 2018, 12:52:56 PM
There's a guy on Telegram named "DW" (username: @dw_2202) spamming tens of people or even more trying to get the word out about this Nevra thing. Well, that shouldn't be the way to get attention here. Really disappointed in this project and I hope you'll stop spamming people. It's ridiculous.

It's up to him to do whatever he's doing, but if you could at least read the ann you would find out that his efforts will be useless. Try to be as objective as you can and don't jump to conclusions too fast. Maybe if you read the ann and white paper you will understand his "enthusiasm" and still won't agree on his actions because they are still not justifiable.
sr. member
Activity: 868
Merit: 279
February 22, 2018, 12:44:42 PM
I think that additional verification will not very effective, but it is better than nothing. To be honest I can not imagine how it is posible to verify 1000 accounts, it is titanic job. For example verification through Telegram account will not the big proble for few alts, but if you have 20 - 30 alts it could be problem.

I'm pretty positive that in the community filter we will be able to identify alt accounts. I mean I've stumble upon accounts that give merit to each other after a generic, very alike post and I wasn't even trying to verify the accounts or anything. I guess it will take time to go through each participant and determine their authenticity but that's why the community can help in distributing this task.

My goal is to make Nevra a top 100 coin, and that will happen. The object is not price, but to proove a point and have the new BTT witness how airdrop distribution, and tech is done, without generating 100s of millions for an ERC token riding on hot air.

Once the mainnet is launched, going to take all my talent and really focus more on features and development with that, alongside marketing.

lots of ICO projects rush to launch their crowdsales strategically because they have financial analysts that advice them when is a good time to make a sale event, a promotion campaign, a distribution phase and an exchange listing based on market conditions. Is all planned for them to start participating in the market (in the game) as soon as possible with as much capital they can raise, lots are just greedy leaving no room for the investor to actually capitalise gains because they all take BTC value and time value in their formulas, leaving their investors to focus only in USD value. What I mean with this is that, investors get fooled all the time in ICOs because while their USD value might stay stable (some even crash their USD value), their BTC value always erode because of BTC price action and deflationary nature.

That has always been my concern with totally premined coins or tokens: that demand is gradual and exponential, and if supply is all created at first and is not gradual or exponential too, they conflict and compromise price because future potential demand won't see the supply as attractive. That's why POW and POS algos incentivise demand by giving rewards either holding or mining. But looking it in that perspective, they are flawed too because mining is nothing more than validating consensus in a power hungry mechanism, and staking solves this environmental deficiency but only encourages to hold and that's it. That's what I like about NEM POI algo that adds in the importance or relevance coins have in the network. I'm thinking if Nevra adopts the POI algo then the ecosystem can really thrive with active participation from the community that holds the coins. What if coins that aren't used in the network, start to have less and less importance in the network, until they are not needed at all (burnt?) no initial holder would want their coins to be deleted from the network because of lack of usage, this will then incentivise usage. Until demand meets supply, then coins can actually start generating more coins (maybe like a 3%) to encourage growth in demand. But then this comes back to what's the utility of the coin? I'm thinking maybe the coin can focus in issues like privacy, data ownership and interoperability between chains. I mean if it's going to be a fork of nem, then lots of wonderful thinks can happen.
newbie
Activity: 15
Merit: 1
February 22, 2018, 12:33:29 PM
Hi tk808,

first of all I want to thank you for your try to create new cryptocurrency/blockchain platform based on the right principles. Actually I am one of the original stakeholders of NEM and 4 years ago the right principles behind the NEM was also the reason I participated.
I only hope that you will not have same problem like Utopianfuture had (he owned lots of sockpuppets accounts). Becuase that was really disappointment for me in past. I really hope that you are different and the right leader.

So below is my opinions/questions to you:
1. I will be really happy if you can show us your real identity. I think in these days it is nice to know what person is leading the project.
I also think that identity of whole team should be public. Or what is the reason to hide your real identity (no offense)?

2. I think that better will be total supply of 1 000 000 000 XEV. Voted 125 000 000 XEV is much better then original 1 000 000 but I still think that for widespread use the higher number will be better. That is my opinion and I think 1 billion is the right number.

3. I pretty like that distribution will be only here on bitcointalk. I know what is your reason to do it and I totally agree. I think here we can build much stronger community and much advanced community. Maybe it is old fashioned today but I like it.

4. I think that the main problem is to find experienced blockchain developer to work full-time in Nevra project. Do you have any right now? From whitepaper I understant that there is not any blockchain developer in Nevra team right now.

5. What is the real purpose and goal of Nevra blockchain? To be blockchain platform for businesses/individuals like NEM? Or only just currency? From my point of view more important in future will be blockchain platform like NEM, Ardor, Ethereum and not just crypto currency (like Dash, Litecoin, ...).

6. If Nevra will be fork of NEM blockchain which version of NEM? The new unreleased version of NEM 2.0 Catapult? Will be the new version opensourced?
Because I think that fork the actual ("old") version of NEM is not good idea. But I do not know if the new version will be opensourced (I am not sure).
Also I am not sure if to fork NEM is the best idea. If Nevra just fork NEM it always be just the fork of NEM. The initial idea of NEM was same - just fork NXT. But then team decided to code new blockchain from scratch. And you can see that it was the best decision they can made.

On the other hand I know that to code completly new blockchain from scratch is really hard task and of course Nevra will not be able to launch mainnet on Q3/2018. Maybe Q3/2019 Smiley.

So for now this is really interesting idea but of course it lacks technical details. And technical details is also really important. So I will be happy to read some opinions from team developers (in future) about their idea of building blockchain from scratch or to just fork NEM.
newbie
Activity: 5
Merit: 0
February 22, 2018, 11:50:04 AM
There's a guy on Telegram named "DW" (username: @dw_2202) spamming tens of people or even more trying to get the word out about this Nevra thing. Well, that shouldn't be the way to get attention here. Really disappointed in this project and I hope you'll stop spamming people. It's ridiculous.
member
Activity: 317
Merit: 12
February 22, 2018, 06:06:42 AM


Trust me, obviously everyone has some sort of guess/estimation/prediction and etc for price, even myself. But, rest assured, Nevra's development and etc will not stop no matter what the price is.

My goal is to make Nevra a top 100 coin, and that will happen. The object is not price, but to proove a point and have the new BTT witness how airdrop distribution, and tech is done, without generating 100s of millions for an ERC token riding on hot air.

Once the mainnet is launched, going to take all my talent and really focus more on features and development with that, alongside marketing.

What xev needs to achieve right now is: Even faster transactions. Lowest possible fees. Means the it's so scalable that even in a decade, it makes sure the transactions are seamless, the blockchain is easy and blazing fast to download. Once you achieve that. You will stand out of the crows. You will even reach top 10 because the businesses are not very keen of bitcoin as of right now.

I am really keen about this project. Right now, this is the only project which tries the old approach in a new way.
legendary
Activity: 1484
Merit: 1491
I forgot more than you will ever know.
February 22, 2018, 04:03:31 AM


Trust me, obviously everyone has some sort of guess/estimation/prediction and etc for price, even myself. But, rest assured, Nevra's development and etc will not stop no matter what the price is.

My goal is to make Nevra a top 100 coin, and that will happen. The object is not price, but to proove a point and have the new BTT witness how airdrop distribution, and tech is done, without generating 100s of millions for an ERC token riding on hot air.

Once the mainnet is launched, going to take all my talent and really focus more on features and development with that, alongside marketing.

Your motivation stands out! I really hope this will work, and will do my best to keep helping.
hero member
Activity: 2408
Merit: 674
God, save BTC!
February 22, 2018, 03:46:07 AM
Likes that you use nanowallet! I will monitor your project! Maybe it's something new... And I would like you to use a blockchain NEM! NEM has no problems with network scalability and low transaction fees! Good luck to you!
newbie
Activity: 24
Merit: 0
February 21, 2018, 11:35:07 PM
I like Trust-less.
So I'm skeptical about the word Trust me.
But, it looks like you are enjoying talking about the project.
If you enjoy it, a lot of collaborators will appear and the project will succeed.
good luck.
member
Activity: 182
Merit: 10
February 21, 2018, 08:21:47 PM
The core of the project is equality, freedom and trust. Behind the good ideals, don't go into a misunderstanding and become utopian.
Because each person's ability is not the same, can not be equal, I prefer to see based on individual contribution to the project to determine Distribution XEV, to achieve a relatively fair. Hope DEV can pay attention to this problem
Well your not completely right on that. Because not all the members get paid. Those that don't provide real feed-back will not get their stakes. The rest will, and all equal, and I have to agree with this decision. You're right we are all different but some of us might have 100 ideas and some might have 1 idea better then all the others. So on what do you think they can base the distribution on? If they pay per feed-back it won't be fair for the one that has the brilliant idea, if they pay more the guy with the brilliant idea the others will start talking maybe fuding, because they think the are those that deserve a bigger part. So the equal distribution could be the best solution and in my opinion the fairest.
member
Activity: 182
Merit: 10
February 21, 2018, 08:15:00 PM
I am looking forward to receiving Air Drop
LOL. If you are looking forward on it, why don;t you try to be useful in the discution. The airdrop is really fair giving the same chance to all members from newbies to legends, but you need to provide real posts not just spams. Try reading a little about the coin. I think you can find some interesting facts in there.
newbie
Activity: 5
Merit: 1
February 21, 2018, 06:55:37 PM
Hi Guys,

New member here. Got into cryptocurrency recently and thus signed up for the XEV airdrop!

Now this is my first post, and I am actually a very recent holder of XEM. (I have enough that I can harvest on my own on a local server. but have not attempted it yet).

I sincerely like the technology of XEM, as it was built on new code, and has a lot of good real use cases in planning, which is why I got into it initially. What has concerned me, is XEM has allowed a socialist government, ran by a dictatorship, to use their blockchain for their local assets/currency. That is what has been announced on their social media twitter account.

Where does XEV stand on this issue? Of course a blockchain is free for anybody to use, but there must be some level of control as to whether it's use is for the same values it promotes, or the opposite.

I like how XEV is standing for equality, freedom and trust. This was the original goal of the first cryptocurrency, which was BTC, but it ended up being in control of miners, and whales. I like how this airdrop is geared towards promoting these original values, which I not only support them on this forum, but also critique. I believe equality, freedom and trust can be garnered on a blockchain, only with equal distribution of coins, where whales cannot hoard large amounts for their own gain, which is predominant in a lot of top coins now.

In this instance, the developers choice not to hold an ico, or ask for donations, is a great move, as it will ensure coin distribution can be done on merit and interest, instead of how large the bag is, and how much profit one is going to make in the end. I believe more can be done on marketing this airdrop, so more people can be involved, and thus more coins be distributed evenly across the world, but of course I respect the whitepapers and founders decision to remain low key in this aspect. To be honest, with 1000 stakes, the low key aspect should be effective, as long as bots and hoarders are weeded out. I love the idea that you will have three rounds in april to filter out puppet accounts. Is this right? I don't need to know how you will implement this, some secrecy regarding your methods would be beneficial to the KYC process, I believe.

I am looking forward to the white paper being updated, in April, so I can look at the more technical aspects of this project. Do you plan on implementing anything like Catapult? What is your ambition regarding the TPS the network will run at?

Really liking the fact that you the founder is trying to prove a point on principle, than chasing moons. Thank you for starting this project. Wish you success, and a further continued zeal for genuity.

Btw is your username based of the roland 808 ? Nice drum machine Smiley
member
Activity: 238
Merit: 11
February 21, 2018, 06:08:26 PM


Trust me, obviously everyone has some sort of guess/estimation/prediction and etc for price, even myself. But, rest assured, Nevra's development and etc will not stop no matter what the price is.

My goal is to make Nevra a top 100 coin, and that will happen. The object is not price, but to proove a point and have the new BTT witness how airdrop distribution, and tech is done, without generating 100s of millions for an ERC token riding on hot air.

Once the mainnet is launched, going to take all my talent and really focus more on features and development with that, alongside marketing.
I like your enthusiasm, as leader of this community, it helps to reassure and give confidence to people who want to invest in the project
member
Activity: 225
Merit: 10
quarkchain.io
February 21, 2018, 05:55:03 PM
Great, so far I find the project very interesting, I missed on early projects like Deepcoin or Perl and I always wanted to be part of an early crypto group,
I will read the whitepaper in detail and contribute to the Nerva community! Cheesy
newbie
Activity: 10
Merit: 1
February 21, 2018, 05:48:32 PM
I'm thrilled to discover such an innovative approach regarding token holders and the business model around creating of a strong community behind and backing the project first, than using nowadays approach of giveaways which, to me, creates unequality, is prone to speculation, creates disinterest from the community if prices aren't high... where people interested in money only are well served inspite of serving the project properly and getting behind it. Specially with loads of projects in the mix, most people are investing their money very short term expecting probably 10x return without even considering the foundation, the team, the project, the vision behind it etc... Putting the community first and at the centre of your project so as to create a strong bond where the community and the foundation can stay in touch is, for me, the best possible model going forward (You're not giving your money to some unknown folks out there, with whom you can't get in touch,  just because their project seems very promising and the hype is skying, right??)
I firmly believe that blockchain projects will stand long term mostly due to the community behind it. 80% tokens for the community equally shared around high values as freedom and trust is just a concept i thought i'd never came across in this capitalist world.
I am a big fan of infrastructure projects, the foundation of our tomorrow blockchain centered world, and i'm keen to go through your technical whitepaper. Anyway i'll be following you closely in the next couple of months and I'm sure you guys haven't finished to surprise us all.
Also, i haven't read your directive TK808, with all these holders and potentially the founder having only 3%, how is your Board going to operate, will it be with independent advisory, community involved ...?
Good luck with this and long live your concept, you've got my TRUST.

There is no need for a board, because it's unnecessary propaganda to hype coins. The only reason boards exist is because there is a bureaucracy with the coin, and often than not, those team members are answering to their masters, the ones who's faces you don't often see or notice, but are in charge of the coin. They are often the ones who put up some initial cash (like a VC) to get the coin off the ground.

We aren't taking a bureaucracy approach, i'm going to be as transparent as possible and involve the community in every-step of the way. I'll make this statement more clear on the hierarchy of Nevra when it comes time, but just know, no one controls this coin, no one is my master. Very few coins these days can boast such a thing.

I'm thrilled to discover such an innovative approach regarding token holders and the business model around creating of a strong community behind and backing the project first, than using nowadays approach of giveaways which, to me, creates unequality, is prone to speculation, creates disinterest from the community if prices aren't high... where people interested in money only are well served inspite of serving the project properly and getting behind it. Specially with loads of projects in the mix, most people are investing their money very short term expecting probably 10x return without even considering the foundation, the team, the project, the vision behind it etc... Putting the community first and at the centre of your project so as to create a strong bond where the community and the foundation can stay in touch is, for me, the best possible model going forward (You're not giving your money to some unknown folks out there, with whom you can't get in touch,  just because their project seems very promising and the hype is skying, right??)
I firmly believe that blockchain projects will stand long term mostly due to the community behind it. 80% tokens for the community equally shared around high values as freedom and trust is just a concept i thought i'd never came across in this capitalist world.
I am a big fan of infrastructure projects, the foundation of our tomorrow blockchain centered world, and i'm keen to go through your technical whitepaper. Anyway i'll be following you closely in the next couple of months and I'm sure you guys haven't finished to surprise us all.
Also, i haven't read your directive TK808, with all these holders and potentially the founder having only 3%, how is your Board going to operate, will it be with independent advisory, community involved ...?
Good luck with this and long live your concept, you've got my TRUST.

There is no need for a board, because it's unnecessary propaganda to hype coins. The only reason boards exist is because there is a bureaucracy with the coin, and often than not, those team members are answering to their masters, the ones who's faces you don't often see or notice, but are in charge of the coin. They are often the ones who put up some initial cash (like a VC) to get the coin off the ground.

We aren't taking a bureaucracy approach, i'm going to be as transparent as possible and involve the community in every-step of the way. I'll make this statement more clear on the hierarchy of Nevra when it comes time, but just know, no one controls this coin, no one is my master. Very few coins these days can boast such a thing.


Fully agree and no doubt every nice project has to overcome at some point hurdles and challenges to achieve its target. I sincerely hope you get the right support and advice at those points in your path to get NEVRA hitting the ground and running. All the best with the roadmap!
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