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July 27, 2014, 02:04:31 PM
What ever.

Last batch has shipped out. Everyone accept specific customers, and lead plaintiffs has received or will have their miners with in the next 2-7 days.  We're not sending tracking numbers in order to not deal with potential trouble makers. Miners will just show up and that's about it.

Lets post some more pictures so we can make clenell look like a douche bag.
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July 27, 2014, 01:43:55 PM
Ok asshole quote me where I encourage anyone to do business with AMT. I've been consistent in stating they epically fucked up,  but you and the voices in your head have decided something else. You seem to have taken it upon yourself to direct your vendetta against me. I hardly see you posting about AMT any more, just me. Dude I really don't swing that way (not judging just not my preference).
 
You seriously got an unhealthy obsession with me man, not your enemy (or lover depending on what voice you got talking to you) here never was. But biomech is right as to what I've been trying to do with a few other cooler heads... Not that you'll listen. So to close up go fuck yourself clenell and have fun going after them in court maybe you can piss away some cash on a personal lawsuit since the judge seems to have tossed the class.


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you defend AMT at every corner. you have been called out for it time and time again. i dont know why you get defensive about it. if it (or zipkin) leaves a bad taste in your mouth when I bring this to your attention "then stop doing it". you claim you are not a shill, or paid by AMT, so stop acting like it. additionally, everything you say in regards to the lawsuit is patently false! you encourage people to not join it by saying crap like "it's going no where". you actively encourage people to NOT participate and yet you wonder why people call you an AMT shill? you don't know a thing about the legal proceedings yet you talk like your an attorney? i swear every time you open your mouth it's garbage out.

i jest when i say you're a shill for AMT. your're too fucking dumb for zipkin to hire you. your only danger/annoyance is when you open your mouth about issues you know nothing about. the reason you kiss so much AMT ass is because you think it will get you a miner faster. well... keep puckering up and don't forget to "cup". i really hope all this work pans out for you. i, on the other hand, prefer to hang onto my balls and keep some dignity.

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Ignored, because well...your just a fucking moron who can't read worth a damn and clearly has an unhealthy fixation with me. I think my comments speak for themselves. And you still have been unable to quote where I "encourage people to do business with AMT". But for the sake of getting my parting shot in at you I will break down each of your comments in the longest rants that I KNOW you love (since you talk about how much you LOVE them /sarcasm) since you cant be "bothered to read them" I will make it as long as possible just to fuck with you now, and anyone who actually reads will understand properly.

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"you defend AMT at every corner. you have been called out for it time and time again."
This comment is mainly you and the other morons (a list of half a dozen where only 2 of you actually have a financial stake with AMT and the others are just in here trolling) who don't contribute and just troll on. When you get outwitted (which is easy) you resort to insults. Thats all you have. No reasons nothing. You cannot hold a reasoned conversation. I think that has been more than easy to prove. My post history will show that i have gone off on AMT just as much as "defended" them. My point was to bring rational thinking (which you and the other trolls are clearly incapable of) to an otherwise massive clusterfuck of impulsive thinking. This is AMT's second and last chance. They already know the stakes. I have discussions with them in the background. Some of those are heated some of those are more reasonable. And not just me but others are involved. They like any reasonable human deal with people who are willing to reason. You are not reasonable. Hence why they don't deal with you. The lawsuit that being said is certainly a legitimate avenue so you get credit for the attempt but your complaint was crap and I pretty much stated that from day one. And as history bore out I was right hence why you are back here trolling and attacking me instead of AMT. You are a moron. Pretty much missing the broad side of a barn with your aim on this one if you are coming at me instead of AMT.

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"i dont know why you get defensive about it. if it (or zipkin) leaves a bad taste in your mouth when I bring this to your attention "then stop doing it". you claim you are not a shill, or paid by AMT, so stop acting like it. additionally, everything you say in regards to the lawsuit is patently false! you encourage people to not join it by saying crap like "it's going no where". you actively encourage people to NOT participate and yet you wonder why people call you an AMT shill? you don't know a thing about the legal proceedings yet you talk like your an attorney? i swear every time you open your mouth it's garbage out."
Participate in the lawsuit? You are HUGE idiot!!! Even I am/was a part of the lawsuit. IF its a class action then we are ALL included by default (but for all intents and purposes said lawsuit does not appear to be a class so its pretty much done apparently). Unless we specifically opt out we are in. I have not opted out. And as far as anyone knows neither has anyone else. But hey since you are the expert on this....why not update us...where is the lawsuit at? Pretty sure it's dead now. I am not an attorney. BUT I have participated as a consultant on various large class actions that the US government filed on behalf of consumers and themselves. Not a lawyer but I understand the mechanics of a class action very well due to my role in various cases as an expert witness on behalf of the plaintiff (US Government). Of course the case is going nowhere....where is it now? Answer that question. This is a matter we should all know if we are involved in it. You are the expert...this is me calling you out on your bullshit too. Again the only people accusing me of being a shill are 2 people who are complete and utter morons with a financial stake (you and ladi4ever) and the few other trolls who have NO financial stake in this and are just here to stir shit up, they have provided NO constructive solutions besides sending Josh to jail....that solves NOTHING. We get no miners and we get no money back if either is an option. That said IF they were doing nothing to get us miners or money then that action would be perfectly justified...BUT that's not the case. They are doing something which is more than a few other companies have done. As for garbage in garbage out? I think you pretty much spoke for yourself there and are just projecting on me. Since you have yet to make a single reasoned argument at me OR quote me on the things you CLAIM I am doing. I am sure your peanut gallery will back you up of course by insulting me. Because that's really all you got. Next piece...

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i jest when i say you're a shill for AMT. your're too fucking dumb for zipkin to hire you. your only danger/annoyance is when you open your mouth about issues you know nothing about. the reason you kiss so much AMT ass is because you think it will get you a miner faster. well... keep puckering up and don't forget to "cup". i really hope all this work pans out for you. i, on the other hand, prefer to hang onto my balls and keep some dignity.


Since  i  I punctuate and take the time to hit the shift key for the letter i....well again you seem to be projecting on to me again. I have called the lawsuit a potential failure because of the complaint filed. The lawsuit itself COULD have worked if the complaint was less haphazardly put together. There were so many holes in it. Even a first year law student could have seen that. Hell again since I am not a lawyer I even saw that. I called it from the start. If it were successful great (but it was a longshot)...but its not and it won't be since it apparently AMT is now shipping (as there is evidence to that already from someone who got their miner). Again all you have are insults and no reasoned arguments. And if kissing ass and "cupping" (cupping must be something you must know alot about apparently as I have no idea what that means), gets me and everyone else their miners and miners hashing and making money, then I suppose it will have been worth it. Have fun hanging on your your balls and your dignity while staying broke. now to put you back to ignore and let you rant on with your insults in reply to this last post I wont be replying again to anything you say. I already blocked you from PM spamming me as you used to months ago. I know this is going to piss you off because in statements you have already proven how small minded you are.

Me I got into mining to make money (which is possible with the right budget and planning). I do what it takes to succeed in anything I do and I am driven to see it happen. I made my mistakes with my choices of vendors and have learned from that. I took a bad situation dealt me and am working to make it better for myself and anyone else who wants to benefit from that effort instead of coming on here and ranting like a maniac about jail and prison and jewish freemasons and other insane shit about tossing people in jail (which solves nothing for anyone at this point with AMT). I am all about results through collaboration and diplomacy when that opportunity presents itself. AMT has shown a willingness to work with their more reasonable customers to solve the problems they have (not a good situation for them to be in but if it can be made to work so be it). Not many vendors are doing that or are even willing to. They ran into production issues which have already been covered in other threads. They found a way to address that problem and are making amends the best they can now. The evidence they have shown in that regards by and large speaks for itself. I don't agree with their overzealous censorship sometimes, BUT it's their thread...their rules. That's why there are other threads for users to freely vent.  People can read the comments and judge for themselves if they want to do business with AMT or not. There is also a trustworthiness thread by user dogie that covers the basics for anyone interested. Just to be clear that is not any kind of endorsement of ANYONE. Its an objective analysis of the situation and working with what is possible to make things right.

And now clenell...ignore. Again have fun hanging on to your balls there buddy....ignored.

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PS: again my point nothing reasonable but insults and even taking my quotes and altering them to insults classy (that's sarcasm since you clearly are too stupid to reason otherwise) fact you can't even post long enough AND have admitted to not even bother reading my long posts just shows you are unwilling to go the distance to even TRY to reason.
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July 27, 2014, 11:10:39 AM
Ok asshole quote me where I encourage anyone to do business with AMT. I've been consistent in stating they epically fucked up,  but you and the voices in your head have decided something else. You seem to have taken it upon yourself to direct your vendetta against me. I hardly see you posting about AMT any more, just me. Dude I really don't swing that way (not judging just not my preference).
 
You seriously got an unhealthy obsession with me man, not your enemy (or lover depending on what voice you got talking to you) here never was. But biomech is right as to what I've been trying to do with a few other cooler heads... Not that you'll listen. So to close up go fuck yourself clenell and have fun going after them in court maybe you can piss away some cash on a personal lawsuit since the judge seems to have tossed the class.


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you defend AMT at every corner. you have been called out for it time and time again. i dont know why you get defensive about it. if it (or zipkin) leaves a bad taste in your mouth when I bring this to your attention "then stop doing it". you claim you are not a shill, or paid by AMT, so stop acting like it. additionally, everything you say in regards to the lawsuit is patently false! you encourage people to not join it by saying crap like "it's going no where". you actively encourage people to NOT participate and yet you wonder why people call you an AMT shill? you don't know a thing about the legal proceedings yet you talk like your an attorney? i swear every time you open your mouth it's garbage out.

i jest when i say you're a shill for AMT. your're too fucking dumb for zipkin to hire you. your only danger/annoyance is when you open your mouth about issues you know nothing about. the reason you kiss so much AMT ass is because you think it will get you a miner faster. well... keep puckering up and don't forget to "cup". i really hope all this work pans out for you. i, on the other hand, prefer to hang onto my balls and keep some dignity.

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July 27, 2014, 10:20:02 AM

AMT is not trying to make matters "right". they are doing just barely enough to stay out of jail. i know im justified with my legal case but there are others who feel differently. then you have people like opieum who all but encourage newcomers to this thread to do business with AMT. if i can prevent the shills from directing more business to AMT then i've won.
"newcomers/directing business to AMT"
Try it some time. Yes the site is still up BUT they are NOT actually taking any orders and have not for a couple months. Been told AMT's legal told them to do it. You know that so - pointless. What has been posted by AMT is so far more along the lines of what existing customers may (or may not) get.

I do however agree with the barely enough part. And more news of miners in the wild showing up on a doorstep (even if in some cases like a proverbial bastard child) needs to come up.
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July 27, 2014, 08:14:21 AM

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First generation significantly delayed, although may be due to a third party. Products were recalled and only some refunds processed. Backlog is being sorted through. Will have to build up reputation from scratch.


Products were recalled but returns were refused by company.

No refunds have been issued.

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July 26, 2014, 11:06:06 PM
Ok asshole quote me where I encourage anyone to do business with AMT. I've been consistent in stating they epically fucked up,  but you and the voices in your head have decided something else. You seem to have taken it upon yourself to direct your vendetta against me. I hardly see you posting about AMT any more, just me. Dude I really don't swing that way (not judging just not my preference).
 
You seriously got an unhealthy obsession with me man, not your enemy (or lover depending on what voice you got talking to you) here never was. But biomech is right as to what I've been trying to do with a few other cooler heads... Not that you'll listen. So to close up go fuck yourself clenell and have fun going after them in court maybe you can piss away some cash on a personal lawsuit since the judge seems to have tossed the class.


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July 26, 2014, 10:54:01 PM
Are you kidding? These guys have fucked customers every direction and in every hole. You think that if the thread was just left to a paid shill like you that more people wouldn't have been ripped off? They delete every negative post now as it is, so keep on trolling with your lips pressed on that scammer ass.

it's obvious opieum cups the balls too. i have never come across a more delusional character than this kid. he is a text book case of Stockholm syndrome.

I think I made my feelings on the whole debacle clear a couple months back. If anyone on this forum can be accused of being a paid shill, or at least compensated, it's me. They sent me a miner, without solicitation, and it worked. I so reported.

From that point forward, they engaged in a clusterfuck of epic proportions, which I did not want to be associated with. I walked away, but continued to watch.

In the whole debacle, I saw like maybe four people being constructive (as opposed to either straight trolling or straight ass kissing) Opiem2, ISHAWHIM both come to mind.

You, I thought, had a quite legitimate grievance and were entirely justified in your lawsuit. But attacking people for trying to make lemonade out of a basket of rotten lemons is a bit low.

Oh, for the record, half my miner died. I believe I posted it in the original thread, though it might be here. According to Martin at TechnoBit, it was because of the restrictive case. So if any of you got the original bitfury based miners, keep that in mind. In the open air, the remaining board works great.

That after this shitstorm they are trying to make it right is actually kind of cool. Good luck to all involved.

AMT is not trying to make matters "right". they are doing just barely enough to stay out of jail. i know im justified with my legal case but there are others who feel differently. then you have people like opieum who all but encourage newcomers to this thread to do business with AMT. if i can prevent the shills from directing more business to AMT then i've won.
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July 26, 2014, 10:26:35 PM
Are you kidding? These guys have fucked customers every direction and in every hole. You think that if the thread was just left to a paid shill like you that more people wouldn't have been ripped off? They delete every negative post now as it is, so keep on trolling with your lips pressed on that scammer ass.

it's obvious opieum cups the balls too. i have never come across a more delusional character than this kid. he is a text book case of Stockholm syndrome.

I think I made my feelings on the whole debacle clear a couple months back. If anyone on this forum can be accused of being a paid shill, or at least compensated, it's me. They sent me a miner, without solicitation, and it worked. I so reported.

From that point forward, they engaged in a clusterfuck of epic proportions, which I did not want to be associated with. I walked away, but continued to watch.

In the whole debacle, I saw like maybe four people being constructive (as opposed to either straight trolling or straight ass kissing) Opiem2, ISHAWHIM both come to mind.

You, I thought, had a quite legitimate grievance and were entirely justified in your lawsuit. But attacking people for trying to make lemonade out of a basket of rotten lemons is a bit low.

Oh, for the record, half my miner died. I believe I posted it in the original thread, though it might be here. According to Martin at TechnoBit, it was because of the restrictive case. So if any of you got the original bitfury based miners, keep that in mind. In the open air, the remaining board works great.

That after this shitstorm they are trying to make it right is actually kind of cool. Good luck to all involved.
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July 26, 2014, 05:21:29 PM
At least we are getting the promised hashrate. If it works and its a proven design that is known to work then whats the problem?
No problem with that.  But see the other thread...
Generally could care less what goes on there. ck is just miffed so many folks use cgminer and he gets near nada from it.. Now if it is a reminder to trolls that if they want post to remain, the users thread is where they belong, fine. Gee, Bitmain, Spondoolies, BlackArrow, TechnoBit, etc all moderate/delete posts. Their thread, their rules. So what?

Ja, BitMine.ch seemed to have no idea of the pitfalls in birthing a complex power design. JoshCo definitely had no idea and relied massively on what BitMine gave to them. Wildly over promised on many levels? Damn right. Horribly executed. Double damn right.

BFL - after their 40nm chip release, dumbfounded there. To me the technicals needed to safely push the Monarch chip should have been obvious. And should have been addressed in later revs after working ones on the comparatively low original spec hash rate were sent out.

In all cases regardless of chip/miner mfgr the price paid then vs now for GHS is the massive foaming at the mouth gorilla that certainly has to be dealt with somehow. Getting rigs with at least as-ordered hash  rate is #1 right now. Only a start, but still a 1st step.


Right in that sense at least better than BFL who has yet to deliver $4,000+ 600Ghs machines. And they have NO plans to compensate. AMT as disorganized as they are have at least made some effort to offer something. Whether that happens is another matter. But its important that they first deliver what was originally ordered. Hashrate at least.

Wrong,
       I had 5 orders with bfl that I had also upgraded to monarch's. Guess what, they had stated if 6 months go by for the original order I can ask for a refund. 6 months went by I requested it, received a response the next day and done !

         Amt , no response ... don't compare these jokers with bfl.

Fair point. I too got a refund from BFL as well. But I had to approach the FTC to kindly "coax" them into compliance. That got near instant response. The FTC will reach out, they just wont bare teeth right off until it gets insane.
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July 26, 2014, 04:42:14 PM
At least we are getting the promised hashrate. If it works and its a proven design that is known to work then whats the problem?
No problem with that.  But see the other thread...
Generally could care less what goes on there. ck is just miffed so many folks use cgminer and he gets near nada from it.. Now if it is a reminder to trolls that if they want post to remain, the users thread is where they belong, fine. Gee, Bitmain, Spondoolies, BlackArrow, TechnoBit, etc all moderate/delete posts. Their thread, their rules. So what?

Ja, BitMine.ch seemed to have no idea of the pitfalls in birthing a complex power design. JoshCo definitely had no idea and relied massively on what BitMine gave to them. Wildly over promised on many levels? Damn right. Horribly executed. Double damn right.

BFL - after their 40nm chip release, dumbfounded there. To me the technicals needed to safely push the Monarch chip should have been obvious. And should have been addressed in later revs after working ones on the comparatively low original spec hash rate were sent out.

In all cases regardless of chip/miner mfgr the price paid then vs now for GHS is the massive foaming at the mouth gorilla that certainly has to be dealt with somehow. Getting rigs with at least as-ordered hash  rate is #1 right now. Only a start, but still a 1st step.


Right in that sense at least better than BFL who has yet to deliver $4,000+ 600Ghs machines. And they have NO plans to compensate. AMT as disorganized as they are have at least made some effort to offer something. Whether that happens is another matter. But its important that they first deliver what was originally ordered. Hashrate at least.

Wrong,
       I had 5 orders with bfl that I had also upgraded to monarch's. Guess what, they had stated if 6 months go by for the original order I can ask for a refund. 6 months went by I requested it, received a response the next day and done !

         Amt , no response ... don't compare these jokers with bfl.
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July 26, 2014, 09:24:24 AM
At least we are getting the promised hashrate. If it works and its a proven design that is known to work then whats the problem?
No problem with that.  But see the other thread...
Generally could care less what goes on there. ck is just miffed so many folks use cgminer and he gets near nada from it.. Now if it is a reminder to trolls that if they want post to remain, the users thread is where they belong, fine. Gee, Bitmain, Spondoolies, BlackArrow, TechnoBit, etc all moderate/delete posts. Their thread, their rules. So what?

Ja, BitMine.ch seemed to have no idea of the pitfalls in birthing a complex power design. JoshCo definitely had no idea and relied massively on what BitMine gave to them. Wildly over promised on many levels? Damn right. Horribly executed. Double damn right.

BFL - after their 40nm chip release, dumbfounded there. To me the technicals needed to safely push the Monarch chip should have been obvious. And should have been addressed in later revs after working ones on the comparatively low original spec hash rate were sent out.

In all cases regardless of chip/miner mfgr the price paid then vs now for GHS is the massive foaming at the mouth gorilla that certainly has to be dealt with somehow. Getting rigs with at least as-ordered hash  rate is #1 right now. Only a start, but still a 1st step.


Right in that sense at least better than BFL who has yet to deliver $4,000+ 600Ghs machines. And they have NO plans to compensate. AMT as disorganized as they are have at least made some effort to offer something. Whether that happens is another matter. But its important that they first deliver what was originally ordered. Hashrate at least.
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July 26, 2014, 12:33:00 AM
At least we are getting the promised hashrate. If it works and its a proven design that is known to work then whats the problem?
No problem with that.  But see the other thread...
Generally could care less what goes on there. ck is just miffed so many folks use cgminer and he gets near nada from it.. Now if it is a reminder to trolls that if they want post to remain, the users thread is where they belong, fine. Gee, Bitmain, Spondoolies, BlackArrow, TechnoBit, etc all moderate/delete posts. Their thread, their rules. So what?

Ja, BitMine.ch seemed to have no idea of the pitfalls in birthing a complex power design. JoshCo definitely had no idea and relied massively on what BitMine gave to them. Wildly over promised on many levels? Damn right. Horribly executed. Double damn right.

BFL - after their 40nm chip release, dumbfounded there. To me the technicals needed to safely push the Monarch chip should have been obvious. And should have been addressed in later revs after working ones on the comparatively low original spec hash rate were sent out.

In all cases regardless of chip/miner mfgr the price paid then vs now for GHS is the massive foaming at the mouth gorilla that certainly has to be dealt with somehow. Getting rigs with at least as-ordered hash  rate is #1 right now. Only a start, but still a 1st step.
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July 25, 2014, 11:49:02 PM
At least we are getting the promised hashrate. If it works and its a proven design that is known to work then whats the problem?
No problem with that.  But see the other thread...
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July 25, 2014, 11:12:11 PM
Trying to understand:  AMT is now promising to fill back orders with rebranded Chinese miners, is that what people are claiming?

This appears to be the case. Still A1 miners from what it seems. At least we are getting the promised hashrate. If it works and its a proven design that is known to work then whats the problem?
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July 25, 2014, 11:11:51 PM
Trying to understand:  AMT is now promising to fill back orders with rebranded Chinese miners, is that what people are claiming?
Where produced is irrelevant - getting hardware is. As for re-branded, well the original design was a re-branded Swiss miner. What's the diff? The hardware is being produced for AMT based on what has been learned about the proper care & feeding of the A1 by AMT, InnoSilicon, BitMine.ch, and others who have watched and noted the A1's troubled birth.
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July 25, 2014, 11:10:45 PM
You think that if the thread was just left to a paid shill like you
For the 'official' and if needed legal record I have to date:

Received zero return on the $4089 I spent with them.
Received zero payment of any sort from AMT et-al.

For the sole purpose of doing qualified professional 3rd-party forensics of the designs and hashing boards - gratis mind you - I have received:
   1 pc TH miner case with cage and backplane. Yes arrived poorly packaged but mostly intact for testbed purposes. Ditched the case, just have cage holding 3 hash boards. 2 Briefly worked. Of the 2 - one still sorta does and is my sole remaining 'operational' reference.
 
  8 of the AMT hashing boards in total including the above - all non-functional in one way or another, several minus heat sinks and as-received from the CM. All from the various versions produced before attempts at production of the oft-revised designs as given by BitMine.ch and produced by the CM up May-June or so was stopped. No idea on the exact dates.

   2 main controller boards with pi's and cables. Minus the SD cards btw. Used my own and Josh sent me an image of the software.

In other words - a forensics test bed which per contract remains property of AMT. I know EXACTLY what the problems were/are and reported to AMT what I'd found. I can categorically state that of this mess perhaps the ONE thing that AMT has done right is not shipping more than a hand full of what was produced. Things would be far worse here and elsewhere...

So much for being a paid shill, eh?

Not even paid by AMT. They already know they can't afford me as it is. I offered up some free business and technical advice (advice they have not really used) as well as some technical information to assist in improving the products. That helps everyone all around. If one cant see how that would benefit them directly then they can keep on trolling and ranting and raving through this all.

There are those on here who know where I stand from my outside conversations with them. My post history with AMT has been just as hostile as it has been favorable...but I am keeping myself objective. Because there are alot of tin-foil hat types on here who seem to lose their collective minds on the slightest thing without any understanding of whats going on. And who also don't fact check anything (like ladi accusing the dude who got those miners for being Josh when in fact just reading his first 8 posts (out of 12) were all just as hostile as anyones on here.
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July 25, 2014, 10:59:31 PM
Trying to understand:  AMT is now promising to fill back orders with rebranded Chinese miners, is that what people are claiming?
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