Topic: No petrol/diesel car sales by 2035/ Reality or dream? - page 16. (Read 3573 times)

You see. Charging station are the weakest points in switch to electric cars. Doing 18km to make a fast charge is like 20minutes of your life just to get there. With petrol or diesel you would be on at home already enjoying your dinner. Long charging time, even with fast charge is the problem. As soon as we get such charging station everywhere, charging price would go up. This is millions or billions to be spend on installment and etc. And most important, no one hasnt invented a real fast charger. 40min for a fast charge is still a lot of time. With driving time here and there it could be 1/24 of a day. Are people ready to spend so much time just to charge their car?

With the decision of a handful of people, gasoline and diesel fueled cars will not be in 2035, is it? I don't want to say bad things. The decision of the so called decision makers who think about our world more than themselves does not bind me. If the countries that call themselves the knight of democracy can take this decision alone, it is not possible to talk about democracy. This decision which will be very critical, should be asked to the public first.

It is completely bogus that electric cars do not harm the environment and it is a decision that will do nothing but cut down on people's transportation. Electric cars do not make long distances and hot weather is very dangerous for these cars. Stopping a system that has been going on uninterrupted for 100 years is nothing short of utter stupidity. I will defend Gasoline and Diesel forever. They are indispensable elements for the development of humanity and civilization.

Yes, the popularity of electric automobiles continues to grow, and manufacturers like Tesla have become household names. But isn't it a little bit unrealistic to expect that 80% of people will make the move to electric automobiles by 2035? Such a radical transformation necessitates substantial adjustments to existing infrastructure. There should be as many charging stations as there are gas stations. And what about electrical grids? Can they take care of the extra work?

You are correct that electric cars have a smaller environmental impact than gas-powered vehicles. However, "less than" does not mean "none." These automobiles and their batteries nevertheless have an environmental impact during production. Who or what generates the power? If it is caused by the combustion of fossil fuels, then all we are doing is relocating the pollution.

Initially the pros and cons always adorned when a new breakthrough was launched, assessments in terms of ease of refueling/charging the battery, maintenance costs and purchase price were always a comparison between the two. Regardless of the pros and cons that occur in the midst of society, no one can resist technological developments. Just imagine if oil supplies are running low and the price is getting higher, of course this will be a new problem that makes oil-fuel car owners have to spend more money than usual when refueling.

Electric cars are the latest breakthrough in the automotive world, to cover a wider market, of course, car manufacturers will design cars with all the conveniences and advantages to attract consumers. Electric cars are more environmentally friendly than oil-fueled cars because they don't produce carbon emission residue in the form of Co2, besides that electric cars are also economical in terms of maintenance because they don't need to change oil, spark plugs, coils and replace radiator water. In terms of convenience (pollution free), no need to pay when charging and economical in maintenance, it is very likely that electric cars will dominate the road in the future.

I really don't have a problem with the range, mine can reach up to 450km for a full battery, and that's more than enough for my daily commute. I have done a 500km+ road trip and I don't find any discomfort since there is a fast charging facility on each rest area along the toll road. But I do agree that the charging time is a problem, with home charging you need more than 6h to charge the battery from 10% to 80% it's not a problem if you always remember to charge the car. I once forgot to charge it and need to travel extra 18km for a fast charging that I don't actually need, just to charge the car, I waste more than 1h, 30mins to reach the fast charging and another 40 to charge. There is only one fast charging in the big city that covers like a whole region, or else you need to get in the toll road rest area, and paid extra to enter the toll road. It's annoying.

It is a possibility that petrol/diesel cars would have almost, if not totally been upgraded for electric cars.
The pecks of the petrol/diesel engine will constantly be in contest till electric powered cars can be of greater efficiency and of sustained economic value.

I saw a documentary on YouTube of how an electric car owner carries around a small petrol generator to power his Tesla once the battery was low and no charging spot close by. This is one challenge that will see the demand for electricity consumption triple and the need for modular standard plants and distribution points worldwide.

Unless countries come together to adopt the electric cars upgrade, cars running on diesel/petrol might even still be available till a century from now.

With the current technology right now, 1000km is not yet achievable, but if it is, then the problem is really charging time. Like you've said, it takes only 5 minutes to refill, whereas in electricity, it needs to be charged over night or a couple of hours, and you still need to pay it. When talking about saving time, the gasoline or diesel car will win, but if you want to save money (except maintenance, only the ratio of charger and fuel prices), then the electric car wins. This is the only part that the electric car won, as most people right now prefer the traditional one, but again, in the future, we don't know that electric cars are far better than today's car.

If you look at the current developments, the manufacture of electric cars is being developed by several large companies such as Mercedes Benz, Toyota and Tesla which are owned by Elon Musk. Even the Tesla car created by Elon Musk can be said to have succeeded in bringing the name electric car to the world. Because the Tesla is the best-selling electric car on the market and is in demand by electric car enthusiasts. So actually there are quite a lot of electric car enthusiasts nowadays. Especially if in 2035, it is likely that 80% of people in the world will switch from petrol/diesel fueled cars to electric powered cars. So, in my opinion, all of these plans will most likely come true, because even now in several countries there are already many citizens who use electric-powered cars. Such as China, Norway, Iceland and Sweden.

Then in my opinion in the future electric cars will indeed be a vehicle that is most suitable for use. Because electric cars are more environmentally friendly and do not destroy nature in this world. Unlike gasoline-fueled cars, it's clear that all of that is quite damaging to nature. And gasoline fuel is not likely to always be there, due to the limited supply on this earth. So switching to an electric car is indeed the right thing. But all of that really requires careful preparation throughout the world, because like battery charging stations, there must be existing and evenly distributed in various countries. But I'm sure all those plans will most likely come true.

Sorry, it is 10-15k km. My bad. Cars that run on natural gas were popular in Europe for some time. The car consumes slightly more gas than regular petrol, but the price of the gas was 4 times lower than petrol. Often such modifications were installed on a car with high volume engines, like 3-5l. The trick was that you still got that V8 or V10 sound, but spend on fuel like you have 1.0l Yaris.

Another reason why I see that switch to only electric cars is gonna be far in future is the range electric cars can cover. How many km can you cover with your electric car with one battery charge? With my diesel sedan I can make around 1000km with 60l of diesel and spend 5min to refill to make another 1000km. Travelling with electric cars seems complicated today.

Besides that it's a problem the development of infrastructure for charging electric cars in all regions in each country also requires a lot of time which may not be completed in just 10-20 years for developing countries. But for developed countries, development may still be accelerated, especially if it is a European country that has a lot of wealth, the majority of which are developed countries. But in Asia I haven't seen development on such a rapid scale. everything is running slowly limited state budget.

You gave a good example and a good suggestion. But there is quite a logical justification there - Both Norway (I love Norway's fjords!) and the Netherlands are countries where historically the past few years, or rather decades, have been active in the search for and implementation of alternative energy sources, as well as the rejection of hydrocarbons. And it makes sense that they are leaders in this direction, and will be the first to start mass migration. Plus - what I'm talking about - the standard of living and income of the citizens of these countries is very good, and they can afford it ! And of course - infrastructure, roads,...

Absolutely agree with you there! If the world were in balance, everyone would drive electric vehicles. Unfortunately, Europe is still a mishmash of divergent elements, much like an incomplete patchwork quilt. Europe's North, West, or Center? In a word, yes! Electric automobiles may soon replace their gas-guzzling counterparts because to the wealthy, their love of laws, and their commitment to the environment. It's like a scene from a science fiction film coming to life right before your eyes.

But how about we head south and east instead? There is some truth to what you are saying. When it comes to accepting such a transformation, the relaxed mentality and "laissez-faire" politics of Southern Europe definitely raise eyebrows. The wealth gap is also a serious issue in Eastern Europe. For some, the price of an electric car may be as much as a prince's ransom. Regarding range anxiety, I understand. The worry is reasonable! It's the equivalent of coming up to a buffet only to learn that they've already ran out of food. Disappointing, to put it mildly!

I feel like this is pretty viable/possible for northern, western and central European countries. These countries have the most wealth and strict laws that communities care. But I think its dream for southern and eastern european countries. Southern countries have relaxed law makers in general and people are more care-free. They would keep using their favourite cars. In eastern european countries wealth is dramatically lower so many people won't be able to afford electric cars still. Also electric cars still have range issues that makes people not consider them.

No, I have never tried, and to be honest this is the first time I have ever heard of this such modification. Are you sure that it needs maintenance for every 10-15km, because that's like half of my one-way commute daily and that's a huge drawback for most people I think.

My car battery replacement cost is estimated to be about $1000 to $1500, and it is guaranteed for 8 years, in those 8 Years span, I only need two times maintenance for the electric cars, and from what I heard it will cost $200-$250 each. For the fuel car, you are right two times maintenance of my petrol car in total is $200 ($100 each) for a year, for 8 Years it's already $1600 I could still save $100, combined with the less money I spent for fuel, and lower tax for electric vehicle, I could save a significant amount of money.

All that estimation is assuming that both cars running well and doesn't need an extra maintenance.

Have you ever tried petrol cars that has compressed or liquefied natural gas modification? They use tiny amount of petrol to start the car, but later switch to natural gas. Natural gas cost twice less than petrol or diesel. Natural gas is cleaner than petrol or diesel. It takes almost same amount of time to fill tank as with petrol or diesel car. You can ride same distance with natural gas as with electric battery. Natural gas modification cost around 1000 EUR, you do need to do engine maintenance every 10-15km. With electric cars you only save on oil change, oil and oil filter. That is like 100-200 EUR twice a year, but the cost of electric battery change plus battery unit will kill all the saving.

         The time has not yet come when mass demand will appear. When this moment comes, they will immediately begin to offer supported cars. This potential option should be taken into account for those who want to start a business in this direction. This is so, for some reference. It is better to start doing something now, when there is still very little competition, but it will certainly be.
        Yes, there are a lot of problems with electric cars, but they are all solvable and humanity will find their solution over the years.

Several countries have entered the transition phase from diesel and gasoline cars to electric cars, now that there are many electric cars available on the market, countries are starting to aggressively encourage the use of electric cars that are more environmentally friendly. The year 2035 will probably create a new history in the automotive field where diesel and gasoline cars will disappear from circulation, electric cars are more profitable than ordinary cars, making several countries want to adopt electric cars en masse.

In terms of price, of course, electric cars are priced more expensive when compared to ordinary cars, the battery component is one of the contributing factors. There is no need to worry about the price issue, once it has been adopted en masse there will be car manufacturers producing electric cars at lower prices so that middle and lower economic class people can own cars at affordable prices.

I own both electric and petrol car, not the high-end/flagship one like Tesla, BMW, or Benz tho, just mid-level car Daihatsu and Hyundai. I can vouch that monthly maintenance for electric car is less demanding and less pricy, my take is that electric car has significantly less liquid involve in their engine. I haven't need to replace the Battery so I don't know the real cost. The cost of petrol vs electric power is also significantly less, but it also because the cost of electricity today is relatively cheaper, so if the electric car become more mainstream and the electricity cost is getting higher, there might be not much of a different.

The EU ambition to remove combustion car completely in 2035 is not impossible, the politic is getting easier every-year, since more government put more concern in environment. What could be the obstacle is the consumer, and definitely petrol and diesel company. If they can jump to the electric power bandwagon and get some money from there, they will definitely try make petrol and diesel at least coexist with the electric car. And they will try their best to make consumer stay with their current more traditional car, even if it needed fearmongering.

Technological advancement isn't the hindrance, but rather the companies that are built around petrol. These guys will try their hardest to prevent electric car domination, and it will be the hardest battle that electric car manufacturer will encounter. People are actually raring to buy electric cars, and are actually opting for the said cleaner alternative for transportation. But what can they do if the governments themselves are not cooperating with this advancement?

There is every tendency it could be achieved because I believe that they are more technological enclind, like from the part of my country where CO2 is that common we may find it very difficult for ruling out a diesel and fuel engine cars. The electric engine are more environmental and economical friendly which is far more better and easier to use than C02. As per the price, as time keeps going the more lesser it becomes because usually when a newly products is being flooded in the market there would be a higher demand which could possibly inflate the cost price since is on a higher demand but with time it becomes available as usual vehicle after fuel/diesel might have gotten rid off.