Topic: Official Thread: AMT - page 258. (Read 678353 times)

sirminesalot   please stop this.  its not needed.  yes alot of us invested in AMT and we as buyers need to use our best judgment to invest with a company like AMT.  I am PRO AMT and have ordered and paid for my order.   This is not the place for this negativity.  This is a place to talk constructively with the community.  we DO NOT NEED BASHERS here.  We had that in the past and it helped no one.  Please keep it to yourself and ask for a refund if you want it.  Other wise go buy cointerra who just screwed this dec, jan , feb customers with underpowered and over power consuming specs.  Everyone is missing their mark.  Please be respectful of this form and the people are vested with AMT.

In response to your previous post, the majority of the answers you're looking for are actually in this thread if you really read through it. Also several of the statements and questions you've just posted are quite immature for this this forum. "Why do we sell miners and not use them ourselves"..  Time and again this question has been asked and its obvious that you're new to mining and don't know much about it. It's a hardware sale where as a hardware manufacturers we can hope to gain a 10% margin, and if we can streamline that for more than a year than we're doing better than most hardware manufactures in America. We advise you to google some of these basic questions and seek answers from other senior members in this forum that may be able to help you.

We give refunds on a case by case basis. Almost no Asic Manufacturers offers refunds because they use pre-paid funds to build the pre-ordered miners. We try and do the best we can to accommodate our clients and if the fault is ours we evaluate the situation and deal with it on a case by case basis. If the fault is ours yes we should give the client a refund, but if a client has recently placed an order and their miner is still not due to be shipped for several weeks and we still have the opportunity to deliver said miner on time or the time that their miner was promised to get to them, then we evaluate the situation and reason as to why the client is actually asking for a refund in the first place. We've also had experiences where refunded clients in early November, and then when bitcoin tripled in value, we've watched how the same clients which asked us and received a refund very early on, tried to repay and reserve their que in line.

When speaking about business ethics, why don't you look at a big company like APPLE which offers pre-ordered hardware (Iphones/Tablets) and read the terms of sales regarding pre-ordering their equipment. APPLE, even if it's their fault, will not give you a refund on a pre-ordered Iphone, period. At least we deal with our clients on a personal level and work with our clients if the fault is ours.


Please call the office or come into our office and speak with Jim, Hanna, Alyssa or Les for the further details regarding your concerns or questions. The sales line is 1855-866- MINE.

There are a lot of answers that we continuously give over the phone or via our sales email support. This thread is for AMT supporters, minimal updates, and to simply show potential buyer that we are legit company that actually delivers in a sea of scams and lies.

Just as Intel, IBM, HP and several other hardware producers don't show specifications of the products they manufacturer prior to delivering their products, we wont either. No sense in handing all the DIY members a board to copy right off the bat. Why don't you shoot over Hashfast's thread and ask them why they spray their boards with black paint?

If you would like some substance, please come by the office just as many many customers have and review and evaluate our miners and make a normal buying decision like any normal customer does. We invite you to the office next week if you can make it and if you'd like you can personally review our 1.2th's miner.

Thanks for your support and we hope you choose AMT and purchase one of our miners.

AMT_miners,

Way to bury my post.

How about you actually respond to the questions asked by those who pre-ordered instead of thanking your supporters who have nothing to show for it as of yet.

How about this question: Have you refunded grumpybearsgirl yet?  What is the status of her order?

Why are those who ordered late given an option for a refund, yet those who pre-ordered early SOL?

Can you post some photos of the power supplies and unpopulated boards you plan to use? I'd like to see more photos of hardware.

Actual substance is much needed here.

ive been a sideline supporter and I still cant get you to take my money....

There is a seller on EBay out of Lubbock Texas who claims to have 4 90ghs in hand. This shows that they are shipping miners (I hope!)

Russell, thanks for the support, we're doing our best and its good to have customers which really do understand the situation.

Frictionless, pm us here ad yes you've been really supportive and helpful, you get your discount.

Hey, yes we've updated that to 3 days, just a glitch. Thanks for the support.

Thanks mech.

Doc, another great idea and yes we're definitely looking into it. ISAWHIM is a great thread member and we're happy to have him writing on our thread and contributing.

Encase you missed it.

We're getting to it guys, just trying the best options and seeing whats available from where. Thanks for the support.

Thanks for the support.

I have been monitoring these forums for that past month and simply HAD to register to throw my 2 cents in about AMT and their business ethic.

I am truly amazed at how many of you come to the defense of AMT based on what little communication and details about the products are given. I can understand maybe you are an early investor in the 1.2 TH miner, and having shelled out big bucks early: coming to their defense isn't going to guarantee you get your product versus someone who is cynical about their operation. The fact is, based on AMT's terrible communication to their investors, you have to GO OUT OF YOUR WAY to NOT be cynical/worried about AMT in general.

Here are some of my concerns:

1. There dozens of questions that have been posted here about the hardware, yet only the stupid trivial questions are being answered. Anything tech related that might involve some know-how seem to be overlooked. AMT is completely ignoring straight forward questions that I feel as an early investor in their start up, we should have a right to know. However, if you ask something stupid like "What color is the case going to be?" they jump right on that with an answer. Power consumption, heat, detailed hashing rate questions - those are all ignored.

2. The lack of good photos/video of their existing products and upcoming 1.2 TH miners. No offense to Biomech (the guy that was given a Miner for free) - but your videos and pictures were pretty terrible and do not put help put others at ease. We need someone that has a miner from AMT to take some nice high quality photos of the boards, case, and build quality. Pictures of their mining stats would also help put many peoples' worries at ease. We also need feedback from someone who paid ACTUAL money for their Miner, not some guy that was given one for free (because he's broke) - for all we know he could be friends with them, and is obviously biased towards defending them since they gave him a free Miner. Sorry, this just doesn't sit right with me.

3. The youtube video posted by Josh is very unconvincing of an actual hardware building operation. Looks like it was recorded in a small office with little to no hardware around or the end product in sight. We simply have a guy with a cheap acer laptop and a board running with heatsync and fan. His quick video doesn't address any questions that were asked: it's like they post this video to delay people from asking for refunds or taking action against them. Just enough to keep you waiting and waiting.

4. They are charging a LOT of money via Wire Transfers and Bitcoins (completely uninsured - they can run off with this money & good luck getting any of it back). Why would they do this? To avoid Credit Card fees? I mean, give me a good reason - please. If they are a legit company that plans on delivering; and charging what they are for these miners - then paying fees to process thousands upon thousands of dollars shouldn't really be a concern. This path they have taken has just left people feeling uneasy.

5. You would think with all of the scams that have been going on, these guys would take the high road and try to answer as much as they can to help put their customers at ease. All I see is the same behavior exhibited by previous mining operations. A> Take money from customer B> Not answer direct questions and provide little to no information or evidence of the products being produced C> Keep pushing delivery back and back with countless excuses and little to no follow up.

6. Grumpybearsgirl: I have seen all of her posts requesting her refund. Why hasn't this been resolved? Either she's trolling AMT (doubtful) or she's been victimized. We need to be coming to her defense, because anyone of us can be the next to never get our money back.

7. Latest post by Josh. A sticky note on a computer case saying "we've got the chips, time to get to work!", a screwgun on the table, and boards full of chips. Why not actually post some relevant answers instead of these quick short snapshots that are void of any real INFORMATION. Even if you're working 16 hour days, you can spend 30 minutes and put many of these questions to rest. No excuse!

In terms of these 1.0+ TH miners in general - let's call them the "Geese that lay golden eggs" - they will produce countless bit coins and pay themselves off in a few months. So why are they selling them in the first place? One would think if you had the capability to produce these machines, you'd simply run them yourselves and get rich.

Wait, I know why! They are using all of our seed money to buy the hardware, build the equipment, run the hardware themselves while pushing delivery back countless times, and as the chance for ROI dwindles (difficulty increases and overall network hashing rate increases) - they release them to their customers. The user who posted the graph earlier and explained this is SPOT ON. Keep in mind even if they are using all this pre-order money to run the hardware themselves and bank on it, this is the BEST CASE SCENARIO. At least at the end of the day you might actually get something (even if it won't meet ROI). I personally think many won't be getting anything at all.

If you pre-ordered and are constantly coming to their defense based on nothing other than HOPE that you haven't gotten ripped off - it's time to pull your head out of your ass and consider the fact that this whole operation has been conducted very shady, and we need to band together as consumers and pressure AMT for answers that we deserve. I really want to just start a productive dialogue in hopes that AMT will hop back on here and give us more than a few crappy photos and answer some of the valid questions asked.

I hope I'm wrong, really. I want everyone to get what they ordered then throw it in my face afterwards.

Thoughts?

Once again, we would like a refund for Order #1196. Orders are late and as stated previously by AMT, late orders have the option of receiving a refund.

The fact of the matter is, we wish AMT the best but we just want our money back, NOT the product.

Please send us our refund via check or ACH transfer or even bitcoin if that's what it takes.

We've been nothing but respectful and haven't even raised our voices in email or over the phone.

Not via an email, hopefully that goes out soon...

I had expressed rack case option last week, when I spoke to Jim directly.

They were going through several case and cooling options, narrowing that down, I believe they've homed in on rack and tower case options.

Rather than start rumors, I'm not going state which ones were being examined, he hasn't yet confirmed the final choices to me either.

I'm hoping its days away from shipping now :-)

nope not yet.  but i believe they are making the boards this week.

has anyone received an email from AMT in regards to their case options yet? i would think with production supposedly in full swing someone would have heard something.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4913291

Now you need to sell through Overstock.com... They accept bitcoin for payments.

That, or cut an exclusive deal with coinbase.com... Since they deal in BTC directly. I am sure they would love creating coins exclusively, as opposed to pulling them from multiple exchanges, which lowers the value for their next customers. It's a win-win situation for all.

Also... Change the word "Closeout" to "Sales"... (Closeout implies that you are closing, and those are the last ones to buy, because you are going out of business. A closeout sale is one that marks the end of a business's life, or the products life. Thus, Close-Out.)