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Quote from: Fredomago on May 20, 2022, 09:59:46 AM

Looking for luck, I guess? But most of the time, the luckier is the one who facilitates the gambling business. Later, those gamblers realize that they are already out of control and they already lose lots of money. Just how you describe it, poor people who lose their money in gambling do have more problem to face.

The money is not allocated for gambling, but due to un-control decisions, they just lose it and add it to their problem.

Looking for luck we can do but we don't have to bother looking for it because the more we look for it, the more difficult it will be. Just let the luck that will come to us in due time and we will not realize it. If gamblers can realize that they are out of control and have lost a lot of money, they can stop immediately and will not continue playing gambling because it can make them go bankrupt and lose even more money. If they can allocate the money well and not spend it on gambling, I guess they can survive.

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Quote from: bitbollo on May 04, 2022, 05:19:59 PM

Fights between animals should be prohibited because they are bloody, unethical and harmful.
I understand that they bring income to the State but in the end it is an industry that takes resources without producing anything, at most simple entertainment.
In this case there Is also an issue related gambling addiction... Well It was a good choice but I think a better information should always be provided because this time Is with this game the next time It could be another one

i totally agree with you, putting animals in a field to fight each other and raise them with techniques to make them more aggressive is messed up and a no brainer to say that it's a bad thing, i thought people that did those type of things and gambling on them did it behind closed doors, it shouldn't be legal anywhere in the world, if someone intentionally puts animals at a risk, it's illegal.

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Yeah, that's one problem but like having a hash to verify the fairness of that match. Just like what we have in casinos to have it verified the provably fair for each of those bets that we make.
As for the banning policies, it won't really have a full stop for the operation of these casinos or operators. They're making a huge money and that's not going to stop them operating despite the ban. They won't let pass the big money they are earning from it.

There’s no thrill if its digital and this is the thinking of many, that’s why they continue to gamble even if its illegal. Some operator are caught for still in operation, I hope the law enforcement will do something about it because if they caught some operators most probably the bettor will start to stop playing because of being afraid to put in a jail. Yes, there’s a huge money here and its good that the government stop this one even if they are going to lose money as well, this is for the benefit of many.

I think that reason of having no thrill is because they're into intense action and seeing those roosters go in blood is what they've been used to. This is just an alternative if people have come to realize that there will be no animal that will be hurt by the likes of their gambling game.
But maybe, it's good that it's totally banned forever and there will be no amendment so that the decision remains firm and strong.

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Quote from: SirLancelot on May 20, 2022, 05:00:58 PM

E sabong are not like the casino game where our enemy is the casino owner but on e sabong two parties are fighting for each other but I think the platform where this game is held only gets a small commission. It was the traditional casino is the one that is harder to win but in e sabong, your chance to win is high if you are good at analyzing the cocks. Poor or rich, it only depends if they are responsible on playing a gambling.

It can help them earn some if they are lucky or like I said earlier if they are skillful enough and also it makes them relieve their stress after a whole day of working. If only they play it this way, it won't be banned and the country can still continue to get a revenue.

The platform you mean are the operators of these online sabong sites which I think get a 10 percent commission of the bet on every fight. Imagine if you have 250 fights a day and a 5 million pesos average bet for every fight, that's a lot of money for the operators that is why they even operate illegally because of that kind of money they received.

Even if you are an expert on fighting birds that don't add a percentage on winning this kind of betting. There are a lot of factors that we can't see like if we are watching an actual cockfighting.

There's soo much money generated with this e-betting considering that in Philippines that this is really a known gambling game where they do really make fight of those gaming fowls or cocks.
Its true that people would be thinking on being an operator since there's a demand which its really just too big if you do make out some computation in terms of their commissions or deductions
which it wont really be that surprising that whenever they had been shut down then they would just simply create new and do continue since they do know that making money
is easy and also in huge amounts and government doesnt really like for these things not to give out in terms of taxes, so shutting them down would be the key and addiction issues
is just really next in line.

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Quote from: SirLancelot on May 20, 2022, 05:00:58 PM

E sabong are not like the casino game where our enemy is the casino owner but on e sabong two parties are fighting for each other but I think the platform where this game is held only gets a small commission. It was the traditional casino is the one that is harder to win but in e sabong, your chance to win is high if you are good at analyzing the cocks. Poor or rich, it only depends if they are responsible on playing a gambling.

It can help them earn some if they are lucky or like I said earlier if they are skillful enough and also it makes them relieve their stress after a whole day of working. If only they play it this way, it won't be banned and the country can still continue to get a revenue.

The platform you mean are the operators of these online sabong sites which I think get a 10 percent commission of the bet on every fight. Imagine if you have 250 fights a day and a 5 million pesos average bet for every fight, that's a lot of money for the operators that is why they even operate illegally because of that kind of money they received.

Even if you are an expert on fighting birds that don't add a percentage on winning this kind of betting. There are a lot of factors that we can't see like if we are watching an actual cockfighting.

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Quote from: Japinat on May 19, 2022, 06:18:14 AM

Though it's a big help but we cannot deny the fact that it's not good for the poor, why? Because majority of the audience of e sabong are poor people, instead of using their money for the basic needs, they try to gamble it hoping that they'll win which we know gamblers would lose most of the time, so it's not really good.

E sabong are not like the casino game where our enemy is the casino owner but on e sabong two parties are fighting for each other but I think the platform where this game is held only gets a small commission. It was the traditional casino is the one that is harder to win but in e sabong, your chance to win is high if you are good at analyzing the cocks. Poor or rich, it only depends if they are responsible on playing a gambling.

It can help them earn some if they are lucky or like I said earlier if they are skillful enough and also it makes them relieve their stress after a whole day of working. If only they play it this way, it won't be banned and the country can still continue to get a revenue.

Unfortunately, the government does not see it as a form of having fun for Filipinos, they see it as a problem for the majority of the gamblers because they are gambling their money despite the fact they aren't making enough money for their family. While the operators are making billions of money from this platform, the majority of the gamblers are also slowly ruining their lives due to irresponsible gambling, so the government has to make a stop to that.

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Quote from: Japinat on May 19, 2022, 06:18:14 AM

Though it's a big help but we cannot deny the fact that it's not good for the poor, why? Because majority of the audience of e sabong are poor people, instead of using their money for the basic needs, they try to gamble it hoping that they'll win which we know gamblers would lose most of the time, so it's not really good.

E sabong are not like the casino game where our enemy is the casino owner but on e sabong two parties are fighting for each other but I think the platform where this game is held only gets a small commission. It was the traditional casino is the one that is harder to win but in e sabong, your chance to win is high if you are good at analyzing the cocks. Poor or rich, it only depends if they are responsible on playing a gambling.

It can help them earn some if they are lucky or like I said earlier if they are skillful enough and also it makes them relieve their stress after a whole day of working. If only they play it this way, it won't be banned and the country can still continue to get a revenue.

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There's news recently that there are still hard-headed operators who are doing and operating online cockfighting. The authorities were able to hunt them down but their registered players are just a few since it's risky to make marketing for it by those agents. People are also questioning the legitimacy of these operators that's why they are hesitant to bet.

And there's also news that the upcoming new PH government will totally ban online cockfighting for good and that was favored by the majority.

Not so surprising since there are operators who are willing to operate, even the government already suspend the permit to operate

of any gambling owners in terms of E-Sabong, illegal operators know that even in small portions of gamblers, there is still huge money

that they can collect. We can't conclude but the chance that known personalities and PNP officials might still be behind those illegal operations

they already taste the success of this business. It can bring millions in their pockets.

Some gamblers will still look for illegal e-sabong, operators would not operate if they don't have the expected audience. I'm sure that while they are operating, they are also careful not to get caught as you know how strict the current administration in implementing the law.

I'm not surprised because prior to the legalization of e-sabong, there are plenty of illegal online sabong operators already, and the fact that they are not caught, gives me the impression that the government is not exerting enough effort to stop it. However, now that they already have an idea of how big the amount of money the operators are making, I think they'll work harder on this to eradicate this problem.

Not working harder? No one knows because if we do consider the accessibility or simply the tech as of today then completely stopping nor get rid of them 100% cant really be possible.
You cant just make out some conclusions that government hadnt done their job well for them not able to stop those illegal operators but pretty much sure that this isnt something
simple where it could really be done on an instant in a complete manner in terms of those conclusions in mind by their government.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on May 20, 2022, 10:23:26 AM

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Quote from: goinmerry on May 20, 2022, 12:59:28 AM

There's news recently that there are still hard-headed operators who are doing and operating online cockfighting. The authorities were able to hunt them down but their registered players are just a few since it's risky to make marketing for it by those agents. People are also questioning the legitimacy of these operators that's why they are hesitant to bet.

And there's also news that the upcoming new PH government will totally ban online cockfighting for good and that was favored by the majority.

Not so surprising since there are operators who are willing to operate, even the government already suspend the permit to operate

of any gambling owners in terms of E-Sabong, illegal operators know that even in small portions of gamblers, there is still huge money

that they can collect. We can't conclude but the chance that known personalities and PNP officials might still be behind those illegal operations

they already taste the success of this business. It can bring millions in their pockets.

Some gamblers will still look for illegal e-sabong, operators would not operate if they don't have the expected audience. I'm sure that while they are operating, they are also careful not to get caught as you know how strict the current administration in implementing the law.

I'm not surprised because prior to the legalization of e-sabong, there are plenty of illegal online sabong operators already, and the fact that they are not caught, gives me the impression that the government is not exerting enough effort to stop it. However, now that they already have an idea of how big the amount of money the operators are making, I think they'll work harder on this to eradicate this problem.

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The risk of animals getting tortured is actually the same with ones who are just racing with each other just like horse racing, these horses are trained in harsh conditions in additional of using some whip to discipline the horses. So, it's still an animal cruelty but does the people or government care about this? I think the answer would be, NO.

These horses are trained in a well-developed environment. There's no way the horse owners who are putting big money here and in the end, will do some bad treatment on their horses. Contrary to what are you saying, they will do everything to make these horses fit in the race.

You as an owner for example and spending lots of money on your horse, do you want your horse to be trained in a harsh condition? Of course, no.

How can you win if you will treat your horses badly during the preparation time?

Yes they are trained in a well-developed environment but the way they train these horse will vary to the trainers and that didn't take out the fact using some hard measures or we can say in a harsh condition just to make the horse fit on the race. Whether we like it or not, that's the reality and if you're not agreeing on these measures then I think the owner can do it by himself.

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You as an owner for example and spending lots of money on your horse, do you want your horse to be trained in a harsh condition? Of course, no.

I do think that you're referring to a pet horse and not a race horse, there's a big difference on it.

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Quote from: goinmerry on May 20, 2022, 12:59:28 AM

There's news recently that there are still hard-headed operators who are doing and operating online cockfighting. The authorities were able to hunt them down but their registered players are just a few since it's risky to make marketing for it by those agents. People are also questioning the legitimacy of these operators that's why they are hesitant to bet.

And there's also news that the upcoming new PH government will totally ban online cockfighting for good and that was favored by the majority.

Not so surprising since there are operators who are willing to operate, even the government already suspend the permit to operate

of any gambling owners in terms of E-Sabong, illegal operators know that even in small portions of gamblers, there is still huge money

that they can collect. We can't conclude but the chance that known personalities and PNP officials might still be behind those illegal operations

they already taste the success of this business. It can bring millions in their pockets.

Some gamblers will still look for illegal e-sabong, operators would not operate if they don't have the expected audience. I'm sure that while they are operating, they are also careful not to get caught as you know how strict the current administration in implementing the law.

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Quote from: goinmerry on May 20, 2022, 12:59:28 AM

There's news recently that there are still hard-headed operators who are doing and operating online cockfighting. The authorities were able to hunt them down but their registered players are just a few since it's risky to make marketing for it by those agents. People are also questioning the legitimacy of these operators that's why they are hesitant to bet.

And there's also news that the upcoming new PH government will totally ban online cockfighting for good and that was favored by the majority.

Not so surprising since there are operators who are willing to operate, even the government already suspend the permit to operate

of any gambling owners in terms of E-Sabong, illegal operators know that even in small portions of gamblers, there is still huge money

that they can collect. We can't conclude but the chance that known personalities and PNP officials might still be behind those illegal operations

they already taste the success of this business. It can bring millions in their pockets.

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Quote from: Japinat on May 19, 2022, 06:18:14 AM

Though it's a big help but we cannot deny the fact that it's not good for the poor, why? Because majority of the audience of e sabong are poor people, instead of using their money for the basic needs, they try to gamble it hoping that they'll win which we know gamblers would lose most of the time, so it's not really good.

Yes, many poor people have gambled using traditional gambling games and have forgotten their basic needs that must be bought. If they won, they would certainly get a lot of money. But if they lost, then their loss could be big and it would be hard to get back. All they could do was stay away from gambling, all gambling before they had self-control in that corridor.

Looking for luck, I guess? But most of the time, the luckier is the one who facilitates the gambling business. Later, those gamblers realize that they are already out of control and they already lose lots of money. Just how you describe it, poor people who lose their money in gambling do have more problem to face.

The money is not allocated for gambling, but due to un-control decisions, they just lose it and add it to their problem.

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Quote from: Japinat on May 19, 2022, 06:18:14 AM

Though it's a big help but we cannot deny the fact that it's not good for the poor, why? Because majority of the audience of e sabong are poor people, instead of using their money for the basic needs, they try to gamble it hoping that they'll win which we know gamblers would lose most of the time, so it's not really good.

Yes, many poor people have gambled using traditional gambling games and have forgotten their basic needs that must be bought. If they won, they would certainly get a lot of money. But if they lost, then their loss could be big and it would be hard to get back. All they could do was stay away from gambling, all gambling before they had self-control in that corridor.

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There's news recently that there are still hard-headed operators who are doing and operating online cockfighting. The authorities were able to hunt them down but their registered players are just a few since it's risky to make marketing for it by those agents. People are also questioning the legitimacy of these operators that's why they are hesitant to bet.

And there's also news that the upcoming new PH government will totally ban online cockfighting for good and that was favored by the majority.

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Quote from: Japinat on May 19, 2022, 06:18:14 AM

Though it's a big help but we cannot deny the fact that it's not good for the poor, why? Because majority of the audience of e sabong are poor people, instead of using their money for the basic needs, they try to gamble it hoping that they'll win which we know gamblers would lose most of the time, so it's not really good.

No mate. If we have to focus on the case here in PH, the majority of those who got wrecked their lives came from rich families and mid-level. How can the poor even sustain their e-sabong activity if they don't have any source of income? No one will also lend them money since they can't show any assurance that they can pay it later on. In other words, poor people only spend less "IN TOTAL" compared to the mid-level or those who are earning average salaries here.

Those people that do have the financial capability of doing gambling are the "most" victims here, not the poor ones.

When the news came out that there will be a ban on online cockfighting, almost all cases I have seen are not on poor families. Those who got wrecked their lives sell their stuff like cars, cellphones, and properties - are they poor? No.

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If there are irregularities being done by its care taker, we'll know it based on the reaction of the horse. Going to the main topic about cockpit, this is more brutal gambling. It's requiring one to hurt the other to have a winner. I know this is a crazy idea but they can't make a virtual one where it's like computer generated cocks and fights so that there will be no hurting anymore for these roosters?

Most probably if they are going to invent a digital cockfighting, the house will have a huge odds for winning and some bettor don’t want this one and that’s why they keep betting on a traditional one. Even the banned made by the president there’s still news about illegal activities of these online cockfighting which I think can’t really eliminate now, if there’s a strong law regulating this most probably they wont try to gamble again. Online cockfighting has been a big issues since the pandemic started, now that its banned let’s hope that bettor will start to recover mentally for all the stress their acquired from this.

Yeah, that's one problem but like having a hash to verify the fairness of that match. Just like what we have in casinos to have it verified the provably fair for each of those bets that we make.
As for the banning policies, it won't really have a full stop for the operation of these casinos or operators. They're making a huge money and that's not going to stop them operating despite the ban. They won't let pass the big money they are earning from it.

There’s no thrill if its digital and this is the thinking of many, that’s why they continue to gamble even if its illegal. Some operator are caught for still in operation, I hope the law enforcement will do something about it because if they caught some operators most probably the bettor will start to stop playing because of being afraid to put in a jail. Yes, there’s a huge money here and its good that the government stop this one even if they are going to lose money as well, this is for the benefit of many.

Government had started on cracking up these online sites which do involved this e-sabong/cockfighting but due to the easy accessibility of this world due to internet then it couldnt really easily get rid of it because
people would continually create new one if there's something that had been closed which people who do love to play online sabong will eventually find it out and able to make out bets again.
Im seeing some news that it is really still continually existing or happening despite of such ban and prohibition which it couldnt really be stopped so easily.

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If there are irregularities being done by its care taker, we'll know it based on the reaction of the horse. Going to the main topic about cockpit, this is more brutal gambling. It's requiring one to hurt the other to have a winner. I know this is a crazy idea but they can't make a virtual one where it's like computer generated cocks and fights so that there will be no hurting anymore for these roosters?

Most probably if they are going to invent a digital cockfighting, the house will have a huge odds for winning and some bettor don’t want this one and that’s why they keep betting on a traditional one. Even the banned made by the president there’s still news about illegal activities of these online cockfighting which I think can’t really eliminate now, if there’s a strong law regulating this most probably they wont try to gamble again. Online cockfighting has been a big issues since the pandemic started, now that its banned let’s hope that bettor will start to recover mentally for all the stress their acquired from this.

Yeah, that's one problem but like having a hash to verify the fairness of that match. Just like what we have in casinos to have it verified the provably fair for each of those bets that we make.
As for the banning policies, it won't really have a full stop for the operation of these casinos or operators. They're making a huge money and that's not going to stop them operating despite the ban. They won't let pass the big money they are earning from it.

There’s no thrill if its digital and this is the thinking of many, that’s why they continue to gamble even if its illegal. Some operator are caught for still in operation, I hope the law enforcement will do something about it because if they caught some operators most probably the bettor will start to stop playing because of being afraid to put in a jail. Yes, there’s a huge money here and its good that the government stop this one even if they are going to lose money as well, this is for the benefit of many.

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Quote from: goaldigger on May 19, 2022, 05:17:05 PM

Quote from: passwordnow on May 19, 2022, 04:06:03 PM

If there are irregularities being done by its care taker, we'll know it based on the reaction of the horse. Going to the main topic about cockpit, this is more brutal gambling. It's requiring one to hurt the other to have a winner. I know this is a crazy idea but they can't make a virtual one where it's like computer generated cocks and fights so that there will be no hurting anymore for these roosters?

Most probably if they are going to invent a digital cockfighting, the house will have a huge odds for winning and some bettor don’t want this one and that’s why they keep betting on a traditional one. Even the banned made by the president there’s still news about illegal activities of these online cockfighting which I think can’t really eliminate now, if there’s a strong law regulating this most probably they wont try to gamble again. Online cockfighting has been a big issues since the pandemic started, now that its banned let’s hope that bettor will start to recover mentally for all the stress their acquired from this.

Yeah, that's one problem but like having a hash to verify the fairness of that match. Just like what we have in casinos to have it verified the provably fair for each of those bets that we make.
As for the banning policies, it won't really have a full stop for the operation of these casinos or operators. They're making a huge money and that's not going to stop them operating despite the ban. They won't let pass the big money they are earning from it.

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But the unfortunate event comes to these horses that sometimes they die unexpectedly, maybe from too much exhaustion and tiredness. I am not supporting this as I am with those people that just let the animals live on their habitat.

Maybe there are other reasons. The horse breed that fits for horse racing is capable to run even on the longest track allowed at horse racing. And these horses are only allowed to race 1 to 2 times per day and they will be set again for the race after a day period.

There are really unfortunate things that happened in horse racing but I doubt that was all intentional or if owners want it to happen. Or maybe someone is doing irregularities behind the shadows against their opponents which is possible to happen.

If there are irregularities being done by its care taker, we'll know it based on the reaction of the horse. Going to the main topic about cockpit, this is more brutal gambling. It's requiring one to hurt the other to have a winner. I know this is a crazy idea but they can't make a virtual one where it's like computer generated cocks and fights so that there will be no hurting anymore for these roosters?

Most probably if they are going to invent a digital cockfighting, the house will have a huge odds for winning and some bettor don’t want this one and that’s why they keep betting on a traditional one. Even the banned made by the president there’s still news about illegal activities of these online cockfighting which I think can’t really eliminate now, if there’s a strong law regulating this most probably they wont try to gamble again. Online cockfighting has been a big issues since the pandemic started, now that its banned let’s hope that bettor will start to recover mentally for all the stress their acquired from this.

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