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Quote from: Reatim on May 11, 2022, 07:02:43 AM

If this Gambling totally affecting their peoples Lives and also the gambling is addicting and uncontrollable then The president of that country is generous banning the game, and besides this is not the only place where their government can earn revenue so best to stop it and find other areas than letting their people lose their Lives and lose their families and friends .

Well, cockfighting is there for centuries, you can't ban something like that! People will still do it, they will find a way, and of course, it will be 100% illegal! I believe that creates even more criminals!

Actually we are talking about ONLINE COCKFIGHTING here mate , and this is not something that has been in the field for long time , this has been operated by syndicates and some Big time gambler in the Philippines so Yes this is Banable.

But the Real Cockfighting ? i am not arguing about that because like what you said? it has been in circulation for centuries and I myself grow with this gambling surrounding me, But the Online area is what i tend to disagree .

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Quote from: blockman on May 11, 2022, 06:38:20 PM

These are considered illegal now and in my place, there are really those physical betting places for online cockfighting.

Physical bets on the cockpit arena itself are legal and 100% operational. It's safe to bet there.

Only the online "sabong" is halted but cannot be considered illegal for now as it was just suspended until further notice.

If you see online sabong still streamed, then it was running under the shadows and not held in the official arena. But I'm sure it's just a small market like the online color games, online bingo, online "perya" games, etc.

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Quote from: carlfebz2 on May 11, 2022, 03:32:07 PM

I did make out some PH online sabong website.

https://talpakan.ph/
https://www.sabongonlinegame.com/
http://www.sabong.net/

I could access the sites.

I also saw one from a post of my friend that's still an agent for this. These are considered illegal now and in my place, there are really those physical betting places for online cockfighting.
But I haven't checked if they're closed just after the announcement of its ban. Maybe later by the weekend, I'll get to see them since I'll be passing by on those areas.

Basing on said decision, it wasnt been finalized yet

Palace: No official order yet closing e-sabong; Pagcor to find new revenue source
https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1592301/fwd-palace-no-official-order-yet-on-e-sabong-closure-pagcor-to-find-new-revenue-source

So they are still minding about the revenue that it could possibly give thats why i do still doubtful that there would be some banning for this.

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Quote from: carlfebz2 on May 11, 2022, 03:32:07 PM

I did make out some PH online sabong website.

https://talpakan.ph/
https://www.sabongonlinegame.com/
http://www.sabong.net/

I could access the sites.

I also saw one from a post of my friend that's still an agent for this. These are considered illegal now and in my place, there are really those physical betting places for online cockfighting.
But I haven't checked if they're closed just after the announcement of its ban. Maybe later by the weekend, I'll get to see them since I'll be passing by on those areas.

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Quote from: carlfebz2 on May 11, 2022, 03:32:07 PM

https://talpakan.ph/
https://www.sabongonlinegame.com/
http://www.sabong.net/

I could access the sites.

I can access the first two sets, although the second site is not loading those images. The 3rd one is inaccessible at my end.

Perhaps the government might want to look at this sites and shut it down if they are really very keen on shutting the whole system down. Otherwise, it will just continue and make lives are still going to be ruined by this online games. Hopefully, the incoming President of the Philippines will really shut it down for good.

3rd link is down already, is this the effect of such ban? or simply its just been closed intentionally? If they are on a new government then revoking or revising such laws or regulation might really be changing up.
Or they would really be continuing on what the past or former president had decided in regarding with this online betting of cockfighting.If it does really came to a reason on becoming too rampant
and affecting the way of living or situation of lots of its citizens then it is really just right for it to be stopped.

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But the adoption of cryptocurrencies will make transactions with money even easier for children, right? But we do not oppose adoption because of this, but on the contrary, we are all waiting for it. All phenomena have both pluses and minuses, but we cannot constantly forbid something because the phenomenon is not ideal and has minuses. We need to look for other solutions to this problem.

Everything that is inhuman is banned but people find the way to have entreatment.
Guess what - in our country gambling is banned - but people have find bitcoin and last year there was a huge spike in the funds from the crypto owners.
So bans are there but people know how to break laws as well.

Exactly. Prohibitions only lead to new ways to circumvent them and in some ways draw people into still more illegal areas. I think that in cases where we are talking about a crime without a victim (who suffered from the fact that I "illegally" bet on cockfights?), punishments/restrictions should be removed and not vice versa.

If the government is really strict on implementing their laws, people will have no choice but to follow it just like in some countries, if the government bans gambling no one will attempt to gamble on that country because for sure they will face the highest consequences if they violate it. Cockfighting can’t totally ban in the Philippines since it is being managed by rich people and we know their connections to the government, I wonder what will be the stand of the new administration on online cockfighting.

These are the problem of Filipinos when the government implemented a law the Filipinos in the community they are not immediately follow because of those politicians or in high position that disobeying their own rules. And about this cock fighting for sure it won't be totally gone because of the hard-headed countrymen that can not control their self and play cock fighting in a secret/hiden place.

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Quote from: carlfebz2 on May 11, 2022, 03:32:07 PM

https://talpakan.ph/
https://www.sabongonlinegame.com/
http://www.sabong.net/

I could access the sites.

I can access the first two sets, although the second site is not loading those images. The 3rd one is inaccessible at my end.

Perhaps the government might want to look at this sites and shut it down if they are really very keen on shutting the whole system down. Otherwise, it will just continue and make lives are still going to be ruined by this online games. Hopefully, the incoming President of the Philippines will really shut it down for good.

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Quote from: Naficopa on May 09, 2022, 04:52:27 PM

Quote from: Boristhecat on May 09, 2022, 04:48:18 PM

But the adoption of cryptocurrencies will make transactions with money even easier for children, right? But we do not oppose adoption because of this, but on the contrary, we are all waiting for it. All phenomena have both pluses and minuses, but we cannot constantly forbid something because the phenomenon is not ideal and has minuses. We need to look for other solutions to this problem.

Everything that is inhuman is banned but people find the way to have entreatment.
Guess what - in our country gambling is banned - but people have find bitcoin and last year there was a huge spike in the funds from the crypto owners.
So bans are there but people know how to break laws as well.

Exactly. Prohibitions only lead to new ways to circumvent them and in some ways draw people into still more illegal areas. I think that in cases where we are talking about a crime without a victim (who suffered from the fact that I "illegally" bet on cockfights?), punishments/restrictions should be removed and not vice versa.

If the government is really strict on implementing their laws, people will have no choice but to follow it just like in some countries, if the government bans gambling no one will attempt to gamble on that country because for sure they will face the highest consequences if they violate it. Cockfighting can’t totally ban in the Philippines since it is being managed by rich people and we know their connections to the government, I wonder what will be the stand of the new administration on online cockfighting.

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Quote from: Uang_kartal on May 10, 2022, 07:34:15 PM

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If you are a parent or guardian who doesnt really monitor your kids often or doesnt have a good track on what they've been doing or what they've been involved into then having these situations could really happen.

I agree that new generation kids are way too intelligent in terms of new technology that we do have today which they do easily adapt and learn and we know that some service is already or can
be available online which would really be that easy to be accessed.Its on one of the government duties and responsibilities on protecting their citizens which is understandable.

parental supervision, early childhood moral education and honesty that must be instilled in children will be very significant from one house to another, policies, attention and supervision are starting to fade for children since parents may be familiar with the internet and focus on what they are interested in. they forget that the next generation (their children) are free to roam around their internet world, maybe with a little VPN and social media interaction and this money will make it easier for children to access important data or buy other people's data. for the sake of curiosity and He's curious. In various countries, there may be pros and cons, especially if you haven't arrived yet. But is it possible in your country to access cockfighting gambling like this, my friend?

I did make out some PH online sabong website.

https://talpakan.ph/
https://www.sabongonlinegame.com/
http://www.sabong.net/

I could access the sites.

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I have this feeling that there is a possibility that online sabong will be back in the new administration there is a budget deficit as a huge part of the budget is going for payment of oustanding loanthe new presient may have won overwhelmingly but the business sector is not giving him a good score in investment priority from foreign investors, it will exhaust every means to generate revenues.

IMHO, the new administration will not let the online cockfighting to re-operate because the reason why it was banned is it affects the morality of the general public as citizens can play online cockfighting with ease and anywhere to the extent that their lives were affected one way or another, most of the people who use the online sabong platform don't have the discipline or lack the discipline that a good gambler must have.

Besides, if the new administration will tackle this issue this might lead to another debate/protest from the opposition and fuel their supporters to stage a rally that can cause chaos to the public so better to let this issue die its natural death.

Yes, this next new administration will also take the same steps of the outgoing administration and I think they will impose more strict rules towards these kinds of gambling. There is certainly a good reason why the current administration choses to ban the E-Sabong despite getting good revenues from it because in-exchange for that huge revenues is the life of the citizens as yes they are that freely to do gambling anywhere and anytime hassle free.

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Quote from: Reatim on May 11, 2022, 07:02:43 AM

If this Gambling totally affecting their peoples Lives and also the gambling is addicting and uncontrollable then The president of that country is generous banning the game, and besides this is not the only place where their government can earn revenue so best to stop it and find other areas than letting their people lose their Lives and lose their families and friends .

Well, cockfighting is there for centuries, you can't ban something like that! People will still do it, they will find a way, and of course, it will be 100% illegal! I believe that creates even more criminals!

Banning something should be the last measure! Regulations are always better, but regulations can't work in a deeply corrupt country! I live in one, so I guess I know those things!

Worst cases happen all around the world, but it's not something that "just happens"! The source of the problem lies in the early development stage of any human (and later), and many people start their life in disastrous conditions if we can say it like that! And that happens in all countries, even developed ones...

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Quote from: Naficopa on May 09, 2022, 04:52:27 PM

Quote from: Boristhecat on May 09, 2022, 04:48:18 PM

But the adoption of cryptocurrencies will make transactions with money even easier for children, right? But we do not oppose adoption because of this, but on the contrary, we are all waiting for it. All phenomena have both pluses and minuses, but we cannot constantly forbid something because the phenomenon is not ideal and has minuses. We need to look for other solutions to this problem.

Everything that is inhuman is banned but people find the way to have entreatment.
Guess what - in our country gambling is banned - but people have find bitcoin and last year there was a huge spike in the funds from the crypto owners.
So bans are there but people know how to break laws as well.

Exactly. Prohibitions only lead to new ways to circumvent them and in some ways draw people into still more illegal areas. I think that in cases where we are talking about a crime without a victim (who suffered from the fact that I "illegally" bet on cockfights?), punishments/restrictions should be removed and not vice versa.

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If this Gambling totally affecting their peoples Lives and also the gambling is addicting and uncontrollable then The president of that country is generous banning the game, and besides this is not the only place where their government can earn revenue so best to stop it and find other areas than letting their people lose their Lives and lose their families and friends .

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Quote from: Fortify on May 09, 2022, 11:49:36 PM

People didn't wreck their lives gambling, something else was the trigger that drew them into the game and made them overspend. If they didn't lose it gambling they would likely have found a different way to spend that money.

What could that trigger be? Was it their friends that encourages them to play and bet more? Or it was the lucrative promotions? Whichever of these two, gambling is still involved and has its own piece to be blamed because if there are no gambling, there's also no promotions and friends that will influence someone to do the same thing. If we look at the bright side, it's better that they spend their money in gambling because what if they spend it in drugs, alcohol, prostitutes and similar stuffs that are more dangerous than gambling.

Quote from: chaser15 on May 04, 2022, 04:57:03 PM

For me, it shouldn't be stopped but should be more regulated strictly. I know there's a thing that can balance this but I don't know the specific term of it. Because of these irresponsible gamblers, the government's revenue got affected which should be a big help now that our country is just slowly rising after years of dealing with the pandemic.

Balance is already the term. If we have a balance in life, we won't overdo things. Governments shouldn't ban it in the first place when they knew that it can affect their revenue but if they banned it then it means they won't be having a problem. Responsible gamblers might be hating the irresponsible gamblers right now, knowing that the only thing that makes them happy are now gone.

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The problem is when gambling becomes available 24 hours 7 days a week and that access to it is available to everyone. Gambling is not designed to be there all the time. Gambling should not be the focus of everybody all the time. But when it is always there in front of you and always readily available after a few touches on your smart phone, it will really become a strong influence. It could easily get your attention. When this happens, it is better to issue a ban and forget about the revenue.

Don't forget that gambling is now available 24 hours 7 days a week because people can access online gambling and can immediately play easily. Maybe many people play gambling every day and try to win a lot of money from gambling. But this is about how you can avoid the temptation not to gamble every day because we definitely have other things to do every day and not just to gamble. If the government wants to issue a ban on gambling, they need to provide understanding to the public and explain that gambling must be in its place and must not interfere with their daily activities or activities. Otherwise, they would only destroy their lives sooner or later.

Providing understanding to the public, maybe only a few are aware of it because the only gambling that controls it is oneself and self-awareness.
and the right choice for the government is to block it and that's it, I think people will stop when they realize that what they are doing and gambling excessively is not good which in the end they fix it and even stop it.

Having self-awareness about the dangers of gambling is very necessary because it can prevent us from continuously playing gambling and can give us an understanding to always stay away from gambling. But unfortunately, after people feel the fun of playing gambling, they forget about it so they continue to gamble and don't try to prevent it.

Maybe blocking gambling could be a solution to prevent people from continuing to gamble but at the very least, the government needs to provide an understanding that gambling can make them lose everything. In this case, maybe the government needs to educate people so that there is the awareness that arises from them.

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Quote from: btc78 on May 10, 2022, 10:50:11 PM

This Gambling should have been stopped long ago and not just now because there are already abused in this game and there are so much individuals and families that has now having a broken life.
not to mentioned those missing people because of the involvement in this operation in which being said that already killed by this time.
The Philippine president did it better and hope that the next administration(as the transition of the administration will happen next month) and the banning will stand forever.

Thats true. Many families got wrecked due to their addiction. I remember recently the case of a family wherein the mother sold her baby only 9 months old to pay her debts due to online cockfighting. Though she regret selling her baby after doing it and even ask for help to find the person who took her baby. Its just one of the bad effects of online cockfighting to the gamblers who cant control themselves. I also hope the next administration will continue to banned this game.

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This Gambling should have been stopped long ago and not just now because there are already abused in this game and there are so much individuals and families that has now having a broken life.
not to mentioned those missing people because of the involvement in this operation in which being said that already killed by this time.
The Philippine president did it better and hope that the next administration(as the transition of the administration will happen next month) and the banning will stand forever.

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Quote from: Fundamentals Of on May 09, 2022, 10:14:54 PM

The problem is when gambling becomes available 24 hours 7 days a week and that access to it is available to everyone. Gambling is not designed to be there all the time. Gambling should not be the focus of everybody all the time. But when it is always there in front of you and always readily available after a few touches on your smart phone, it will really become a strong influence. It could easily get your attention. When this happens, it is better to issue a ban and forget about the revenue.

That's valid. Each time you see an available fight being offered, the chance that you will be tempted to bet is always possible. I'm referring to E-Sabong in particular, with an easy access using your smart phone, you can join and pick your chosen cock in hope that it will bring you some decent amount of profits.

The decision of banning though is because of those rising problems with people who are missing, it would catch the attentions of mass media
and the President is answering the calls.

It's different from majority online gambling where the sole responsible is you. Without control, losing everything will be possible to happen.

I read the news and the article attached in the OP and while the primary reason why there were investigations done was the missing persons linked to e-sabong operations, the reason for implementing a ban on it was more than that. It was bigger and deeper. The issue is actually larger than just the missing persons. The reason provided for the recommendation of the ban is that it has eroded or deteriorated moral values. E-sabong has taken its toll to the overall society.

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Quote from: aioc on May 10, 2022, 05:18:00 PM

I have this feeling that there is a possibility that online sabong will be back in the new administration there is a budget deficit as a huge part of the budget is going for payment of oustanding loanthe new presient may have won overwhelmingly but the business sector is not giving him a good score in investment priority from foreign investors, it will exhaust every means to generate revenues.

The negative effects of online cockfighting is way worse than the positive effects that it can give to the country.
TBH, I just don't know why they allowed it in our country. Tax? Revenue? You can get that in other ways but the morale and the effects of it to the people especially for those who lose all already are irreversible.

If you're from PH, you might seen some news from some bettors regarding what happened to them after losing to E-sabong. We've also saw around 30+ people that are missing just because of cockfighting. Some said that they stole money from other people. Some don't have families anymore because of it. Some feel sorry for themselves and regret what they did etc. As I'm watching these news and what is happening to these people, the more I agree with what our President did.

Now the Election is over and in a few weeks we have a new president. I just hope that this will remain the same and will not re-open online cockfighting to the public.

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Quote from: Distinctin on May 10, 2022, 03:57:49 PM

Nah, certainly kids below 18 years of age cannot have a GCash account because they needed a valid ID or government issued ID. But there are still lapses about this one because these kids nowadays are much more knowledgeable how to operate these platforms, surely they can't register an account in their names but they can make some account for their parents (who don't usually know how modern phone works) who also have a valid ID.

I don't think these kids will do that idea. It's a hassle and I doubt they will try it with effort.

There's another way. They have a friend that is much ahead of them who has a GCASH account.

They will fund that account instead, then they will play together on the app. That's the most possible thing compare these kids will use other's identities.

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