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Quote from: lienfaye on May 07, 2022, 08:33:32 PM

Another issue for online cockfighting is even minors can engage themselves on it because despite of having an age restriction for gamblers, its easy to deceive the age.

Plus the minimum bet is not much that anyone can afford. Thus its a good decision for the Government to banned online cockfighting to avoid gamblers becoming addicted (those who cant control themselves).

Sacrificing the revenue that they're getting for the sake of the people is commendable.

Sometimes age can be deceiving. There are people that look matured already but their age was under 18 years old or under the legal age to play gambling while there are also people that are age is out of the calendar already but they are still looking young, they are sometimes restricted to enter inside the gambling places because of how they look but in order to be sure, why can they just require an i.d before can someone gamble?

Gambling is not the only way where governments can earn an income and they should not depend on it. If they want to earn more revenue then they need to work hard but most important is to work in a fair and legal manner.

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Quote from: electronicash on May 08, 2022, 10:55:46 AM

somehow online cockfighting is now known to be a good business for them. the PH government may not be able to stop this if they go underground and set up an arena for online fights again under different URLs or .onion it might be another learning curve but the determination of the enthusiast is not going to be easy to break off.

there are still lots of people buying and selling roosters on facebook like they have some backup plan to continue thier addiction.

It's a very good step by the Philippines government to put the ban on online cock fighting. Even though the cockfighting and gambling on it may still continue but it will be not on a large scale as previously.
I always think that people who are involved in cock fighting have no sampthay and emotions in their hearts. How can they be so cruel to see these bloody fights. Sad

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somehow online cockfighting is now known to be a good business for them. the PH government may not be able to stop this if they go underground and set up an arena for online fights again under different URLs or .onion it might be another learning curve but the determination of the enthusiast is not going to be easy to break off.

there are still lots of people buying and selling roosters on facebook like they have some backup plan to continue thier addiction.

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Quote from: serjent05 on May 07, 2022, 05:40:58 PM

It is already banned, and I am sure concerned citizens will report a site if they happen to know of any online cockfight operating in the PH jurisdiction. Let's just hope that the action of the authority regarding the reported cases is prompt.

It's for sure that there will be people that will report those operations to the authority as it's already banned by the government. As it's directed for a closure effective immediately, the authorities have acted on it.
And the business that has been affected by this ban, they've responded promptly and ordered an immediate closure. That's good for them and hopefully they won't break that action they've done and will still fully comply to the said order.

I hope so but I'm not sure if people will stop their activity of gambling cockfighting because they have been used to playing it for a long time. In addition, there may also be offline cockfighting bets in their neighborhood and no one knows about it. That would certainly make it difficult for the authorities to arrest or interrogate people who bet or were caught. But hopefully people will also be aware of the ban from the government.

We have weekly backyard cockfighting here on our farm, of course, it's illegal but it's our folk's tradition, and besides its on limited hours you cannot lose a lot of money here because you can do it at a specific time because they are afraid of getting raid and no young people are allowed to bet, but online sabong or cockfighting is very different even children can bet and hide it to the parents, it escalates to something worse and as the president says the country is losing their moral values.

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Cockfighting in the philippines might bad for real, but this online sabong(cockfighting) in the PH gave helped to many people who loss their job during pandemic season, but still of course it remains bad habit not only for the adult but of course gor the kids as well.

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Quote from: blockman on May 07, 2022, 06:31:38 PM

Quote from: serjent05 on May 07, 2022, 05:40:58 PM

It is already banned, and I am sure concerned citizens will report a site if they happen to know of any online cockfight operating in the PH jurisdiction. Let's just hope that the action of the authority regarding the reported cases is prompt.

It's for sure that there will be people that will report those operations to the authority as it's already banned by the government. As it's directed for a closure effective immediately, the authorities have acted on it.
And the business that has been affected by this ban, they've responded promptly and ordered an immediate closure. That's good for them and hopefully they won't break that action they've done and will still fully comply to the said order.

I hope so but I'm not sure if people will stop their activity of gambling cockfighting because they have been used to playing it for a long time. In addition, there may also be offline cockfighting bets in their neighborhood and no one knows about it. That would certainly make it difficult for the authorities to arrest or interrogate people who bet or were caught. But hopefully people will also be aware of the ban from the government.

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Quote from: Jackl87 on May 07, 2022, 05:39:19 PM

Quote from: bitbollo on May 04, 2022, 04:19:59 PM

Fights between animals should be prohibited because they are bloody, unethical and harmful.
I understand that they bring income to the State but in the end it is an industry that takes resources without producing anything, at most simple entertainment.

I totally agree with you here. In general i would say that i am really not one of those snowflakes that wants to ban anything or wants everyone to stop eating meat or stuff like that but i really have a soft spot for animals and i just think they should be treated well and only be killed if it is necessary (for example to produce food). I know that those cocks are treated and fed pretty well as soon as they are alive but that does not change the fact that their owners still let them fight to the death. If i remember correctly than in a lot of cases they even replace their normal spur with knives to make the fight even bloodier. So i would be happy if all cock fighting would be banned.
We are talking about the online betting on cockfighting here though and i definitely see a good reason why it has been banned. It just makes the betting way more accessible for everyone and therefore also the chance to become addicted to it.

People eat animals and birds.

Humans are a species of primates that are not herbivores, but predators. People need animal protein. They receive life force and energy from it. Therefore, eating birds (including chickens and roosters) is not socially condemned. There are certain social groups (vegetarians and vegans) who do not eat animals and birds. There are many such people, but they do not make up the majority of humanity. Therefore, eating poultry is generally socially acceptable. Killing a chicken to make it into a tasty dish is not socially frowned upon. This is normal for predators.

Another thing is to kill for pleasure (murder is the basis of gambling). Many believe that this is unjustified cruelty.

This is a debatable topic, but there is a sense in such a formulation of the question.

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Quote from: lienfaye on May 07, 2022, 08:33:32 PM

Quote from: Scripture on May 07, 2022, 05:20:41 PM

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Quote from: goaldigger on May 07, 2022, 04:52:59 PM

Well, there’s already a decision to ban these type of gambling but for sure offline cockfighting will still be there, and most probably if you are already exposed to online, you will go for offline option and continue gambling, this is already a big concern for the government.

That is why banning cockfight altogether is the way to go to address that big concern.

I doubt about banning the offline cockfighting since there's already a regulations for them and they can operate legally as long as they follow that regulations.
Let's just focus for now on online cockfighting since even minors are expose to these and hopefully the government will ensure to the full implementation of the banned and sue those liable if there's still a minor getting into this gambling platform. Hoping that after this election, the government will address this issues again.

Thats true. Another issue for online cockfighting is even minors can engage themselves on it because despite of having an age restriction for gamblers, its easy to deceive the age.

Plus the minimum bet is not much that anyone can afford. Thus its a good decision for the Government to banned online cockfighting to avoid gamblers becoming addicted (those who cant control themselves).

Sacrificing the revenue that they're getting for the sake of the people is commendable.

The revenue generated from taxes will be a big temptation for the next administration if they are looking for additional revenues this is the easiest industry to tap because everything is already well placed, there's going to be a lot of lobbying to continue from operators, and it's going to depend on the next administration.

There's a possibility that there will be a continuation, operators are earning billions of pesos they are going to lobby it to the point that they will bribe officials, they will ask for strict compliance and regulations for it to continue, and they can still make billions if the opeation continues.

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Quote from: Scripture on May 07, 2022, 05:20:41 PM

Quote from: serjent05 on May 07, 2022, 05:15:56 PM

Quote from: goaldigger on May 07, 2022, 04:52:59 PM

Well, there’s already a decision to ban these type of gambling but for sure offline cockfighting will still be there, and most probably if you are already exposed to online, you will go for offline option and continue gambling, this is already a big concern for the government.

That is why banning cockfight altogether is the way to go to address that big concern.

I doubt about banning the offline cockfighting since there's already a regulations for them and they can operate legally as long as they follow that regulations.
Let's just focus for now on online cockfighting since even minors are expose to these and hopefully the government will ensure to the full implementation of the banned and sue those liable if there's still a minor getting into this gambling platform. Hoping that after this election, the government will address this issues again.

Thats true. Another issue for online cockfighting is even minors can engage themselves on it because despite of having an age restriction for gamblers, its easy to deceive the age.

Plus the minimum bet is not much that anyone can afford. Thus its a good decision for the Government to banned online cockfighting to avoid gamblers becoming addicted (those who cant control themselves).

Sacrificing the revenue that they're getting for the sake of the people is commendable.

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Quote from: serjent05 on May 07, 2022, 05:40:58 PM

It is already banned, and I am sure concerned citizens will report a site if they happen to know of any online cockfight operating in the PH jurisdiction. Let's just hope that the action of the authority regarding the reported cases is prompt.

It's for sure that there will be people that will report those operations to the authority as it's already banned by the government. As it's directed for a closure effective immediately, the authorities have acted on it.
And the business that has been affected by this ban, they've responded promptly and ordered an immediate closure. That's good for them and hopefully they won't break that action they've done and will still fully comply to the said order.

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Quote from: madnessteat on May 07, 2022, 08:28:04 AM

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The banning of gambling advertisements is not quite an effective measure as the government of a certain country will not be able to ban all advertisements on the Internet. Besides, more and more Internet users use VPN that helps to bypass the restrictions of the local government.

This might not give a huge effect but for sure it will lessen the casualty since this one will not easily be seen by gamblers. For sure many of them is not techy enough to know that so I guess they don't have a choice but to stop nor slow down if this will be implemented on the country. I really believe that this one could help since it will lessen the visibility to the people who's not been indulge on gambling.

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Quote from: Scripture on May 07, 2022, 05:20:41 PM

Quote from: serjent05 on May 07, 2022, 05:15:56 PM

Quote from: goaldigger on May 07, 2022, 04:52:59 PM

Well, there’s already a decision to ban these type of gambling but for sure offline cockfighting will still be there, and most probably if you are already exposed to online, you will go for offline option and continue gambling, this is already a big concern for the government.

That is why banning cockfight altogether is the way to go to address that big concern.

I doubt about banning the offline cockfighting since there's already a regulations for them and they can operate legally as long as they follow that regulations.

That is why there is a thing called amendments of rule and policy. If a big concern sprouts out of this banning of online cockfighting and the wave of people who used to be using the online platform flocks the offline cockfighting and produces way more problems than the online one, then the government can always implement to ban cockfighting in the Philippines. Other countries have already done that so I don't think it is impossible for the Philippines to impose such a rule.

Quote from: Scripture on May 07, 2022, 05:20:41 PM

Let's just focus for now on online cockfighting since even minors are expose to these and hopefully the government will ensure to the full implementation of the banned and sue those liable if there's still a minor getting into this gambling platform. Hoping that after this election, the government will address this issues again.

It is already banned, and I am sure concerned citizens will report a site if they happen to know of any online cockfight operating in the PH jurisdiction. Let's just hope that the action of the authority regarding the reported cases is prompt.

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Quote from: bitbollo on May 04, 2022, 04:19:59 PM

Fights between animals should be prohibited because they are bloody, unethical and harmful.
I understand that they bring income to the State but in the end it is an industry that takes resources without producing anything, at most simple entertainment.

I totally agree with you here. In general i would say that i am really not one of those snowflakes that wants to ban anything or wants everyone to stop eating meat or stuff like that but i really have a soft spot for animals and i just think they should be treated well and only be killed if it is necessary (for example to produce food). I know that those cocks are treated and fed pretty well as soon as they are alive but that does not change the fact that their owners still let them fight to the death. If i remember correctly than in a lot of cases they even replace their normal spur with knives to make the fight even bloodier. So i would be happy if all cock fighting would be banned.
We are talking about the online betting on cockfighting here though and i definitely see a good reason why it has been banned. It just makes the betting way more accessible for everyone and therefore also the chance to become addicted to it.

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Quote from: serjent05 on May 07, 2022, 05:15:56 PM

Quote from: goaldigger on May 07, 2022, 04:52:59 PM

Well, there’s already a decision to ban these type of gambling but for sure offline cockfighting will still be there, and most probably if you are already exposed to online, you will go for offline option and continue gambling, this is already a big concern for the government.

That is why banning cockfight altogether is the way to go to address that big concern.

I doubt about banning the offline cockfighting since there's already a regulations for them and they can operate legally as long as they follow that regulations.
Let's just focus for now on online cockfighting since even minors are expose to these and hopefully the government will ensure to the full implementation of the banned and sue those liable if there's still a minor getting into this gambling platform. Hoping that after this election, the government will address this issues again.

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Quote from: Rengga Jati on May 07, 2022, 04:47:57 PM

Quote from: chaser15 on May 04, 2022, 03:57:03 PM

- Is it really valid that we should blame the online cockfighting here that's why most people wrecked their lives?

In my opinion, there is no justification for cockfighting, if they really want to get the money they can actually get it in other ways. This is their only excuse. Have they ever thought of the condition of the cocks as just a means of printing money at their expense? pathetic.

I highly agree Philippine Government should invest more in infrastructure that will give them profit, instead of relying too much on the gaming industry. I hope in the Philippines' upcoming election, people choose the one who is very capable to lead the country.

Quote from: goaldigger on May 07, 2022, 04:52:59 PM

This became inhumane because of the money involve and the purpose of this, cockfighting is gambling and that is the perception of many if they’ll here its gambling, they believe its inhumane.

No, cockfighting is inhumane in its very nature not because of the money involved or the gambling stuff but because we pit two fowl to battle to the death. If it is gambling that makes it inhumane then why don't we categorize playing slots and other casino games as inhumane?

Quote from: goaldigger on May 07, 2022, 04:52:59 PM

Well, there’s already a decision to ban these type of gambling but for sure offline cockfighting will still be there, and most probably if you are already exposed to online, you will go for offline option and continue gambling, this is already a big concern for the government.

That is why banning cockfight altogether is the way to go to address that big concern.

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Quote from: Eternad on May 07, 2022, 04:45:58 PM

Quote from: Johnyz on May 07, 2022, 04:32:52 PM

They took cake of those animal simply because they have to win the game and in order to do that they should be on a good condition. Seriously, I’m just thinking how come this become inhumane while we as a human eats animal as well especially those Chicken. Anyway, since this is gambling maybe that’s the reason why it became inhumane and of course I’ll support the call to stop this because of gambling result.

Imo, they are calling it inhumane because they are letting the chicken kill each other for entertainment purposes unlike poultry chicken that being killed in a quick way with lesser pain. In cock fighting sometimes the fight is very long until the cock loss a lot of blood from there wound. Trainer use drugs to let there cock blood don’t drop too much on open wounds. This talpakan makes people love to kill even if it’s just an animals since the principle of the game is still to kill.

This became inhumane because of the money involve and the purpose of this, cockfighting is gambling and that is the perception of many if they’ll here its gambling, they believe its inhumane. Well, there’s already a decision to ban these type of gambling but for sure offline cockfighting will still be there, and most probably if you are already exposed to online, you will go for offline option and continue gambling, this is already a big concern for the government.

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Quote from: chaser15 on May 04, 2022, 03:57:03 PM

PH banned online cockfighting - Worst gambling-related cases recorded!

This step is great to be done and followed. We have seen how cockfighting results. damn, I really hate to see how it is, Unfortunately, sometimes I can fid these in my area, offline. although this cockfighting has been forbidden and will be arrested, in fact, those people don't stop.

Quote from: chaser15 on May 04, 2022, 03:57:03 PM

- Is it really valid that we should blame the online cockfighting here that's why most people wrecked their lives?

In my opinion, there is no justification for cockfighting, if they really want to get the money they can actually get it in other ways. This is their only excuse. Have they ever thought of the condition of the cocks as just a means of printing money at their expense? pathetic.

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Quote from: Johnyz on May 07, 2022, 04:32:52 PM

They took cake of those animal simply because they have to win the game and in order to do that they should be on a good condition. Seriously, I’m just thinking how come this become inhumane while we as a human eats animal as well especially those Chicken. Anyway, since this is gambling maybe that’s the reason why it became inhumane and of course I’ll support the call to stop this because of gambling result.

Imo, they are calling it inhumane because they are letting the chicken kill each other for entertainment purposes unlike poultry chicken that being killed in a quick way with lesser pain. In cock fighting sometimes the fight is very long until the cock loss a lot of blood from there wound. Trainer use drugs to let there cock blood don’t drop too much on open wounds. This talpakan makes people love to kill even if it’s just an animals since the principle of the game is still to kill.

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Quote from: Naficopa on May 07, 2022, 04:22:25 PM

Quote from: nakamura12 on May 07, 2022, 04:11:38 PM

I have seen many of my neighbors bet on cockfighting online. They even asked me if I have Gcash so they can cash in on their e sabong account which is as you know that it is used to store your money and bet on every matches you decide to bet. I don't think people will stop betting on cockfighting even if it's bloody and even if it's not e sabong anymore since cockfighting is legal in Philippines as long as you are in the right place and not an illegal start of cockfighting. I'm sure many have been caught and even some people made a meme video about it. You may say it's worst and some may not say but we can't stop them from betting.

This is an old game - people use to do this for. entertainment when there was no internet. The owner used to give good food and exceptionally great care to their pets. I personally know many cock fighting trainers who say our diet does not matter but the cock fight does.
But this is very inhumane - although the game is dying but still there are many cockfight lovers around.

About this gambling their are many outcomes with you addicted to this game but if you have your luck and your cock are in good condition for sure you will a good amount.
Yes you are right these an old gambling game here in Philippines and some cockfighter addict they rather choose their pet to maintain healthy than their family.
I think the reason why the government banned esabong because the amount of people get addicted in this game are very high.

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Quote from: savetheFORUM on May 07, 2022, 03:39:55 PM

I think the chicken that we saw in the market (the one that we eat) and the chicken that we saw on cock fights are not the same breed. Gamblers don't like cock fighting for that reason you mentioned and if they want to sell a chicken at the market then why can they just buy a different kind of chicken, the one that is easy and inexpensive to raise. People can kill a chicken for selling and eating purposes.

They are definitely different breeds. You can check roosters for cockfighting[1] and chicken for meat[2] breed.

Quote from: savetheFORUM on May 07, 2022, 03:39:55 PM

It's a common thing so it's not that painful when compared to other animals that aren't destined for this purposes but it is still in human to use animals in gambling. Poor animals didn't know that they are only being used by humans for entertainment. Much better if the animals were killed immediately than let them suffer that way.

It hurts to see your pet being put to life and death situation. Many countries had banned cockfighting because it is obviously an act of cruelty to animals, it is a blood sport. It is ok if they don't put metal spurs to the cocks' natural spurs[3] and let them fight normally until one runs, but instead, people do it to increase entertainment, which often results in the death of one or both participating roosters. Even though the Government is earning money from its tax, I am inclined to the idea of not only banning the e-Sabong (online cockfight) but the cockfight all in all.

[1] https://putakputak.com/poultry/gamefowls/the-best-breeds-of-fighting-roosters/
[2] https://petkeen.com/meat-chicken-breeds/
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cockfight

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