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Quote from: carlfebz2 on May 10, 2022, 06:33:28 PM

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If you are a parent or guardian who doesnt really monitor your kids often or doesnt have a good track on what they've been doing or what they've been involved into then having these situations could really happen.

I agree that new generation kids are way too intelligent in terms of new technology that we do have today which they do easily adapt and learn and we know that some service is already or can
be available online which would really be that easy to be accessed.Its on one of the government duties and responsibilities on protecting their citizens which is understandable.

parental supervision, early childhood moral education and honesty that must be instilled in children will be very significant from one house to another, policies, attention and supervision are starting to fade for children since parents may be familiar with the internet and focus on what they are interested in. they forget that the next generation (their children) are free to roam around their internet world, maybe with a little VPN and social media interaction and this money will make it easier for children to access important data or buy other people's data. for the sake of curiosity and He's curious. In various countries, there may be pros and cons, especially if you haven't arrived yet. But is it possible in your country to access cockfighting gambling like this, my friend?

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Quote from: Vaskiy on May 10, 2022, 06:27:35 PM

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Quote from: yazher on May 09, 2022, 01:02:18 AM

Yeah! that's what I'm saying because of no regulations, kids nowadays easily join and can access Gcash with the minimum regulations and that means they can cash in easily to bet and the problem here is the kids don't have any jobs at all except for the few of them, so where do you think they get their capital? this is a big question because before they even get addicted to playing online cockfighting, they already have this case where they might steal it from their parents or get it from illegal sources which we cannot even imagine.

Wait what bro, kids can access GCASH? What age period are you referring to here?

GCASH is only allowed to use by 18-years old above (PH). And besides, they can't do the KYC as these kids don't surely have those necessary valid IDs.

I doubt they can also use or borrow GCASH from their parents or close one as for every deposit, that will notify the account owner. Are those non-KYC accounts able to still receive money from verified users?

Nah, certainly kids below 18 years of age cannot have a GCash account because they needed a valid ID or government issued ID. But there are still lapses about this one because these kids nowadays are much more knowledgeable how to operate these platforms, surely they can't register an account in their names but they can make some account for their parents (who don't usually know how modern phone works) who also have a valid ID.

That's true, the present day kids are very intelligent to find ways to make use of the services using the parents/guardians id. As we've got self verification on exchanges through selfies, it can be done on these gambling sites. In my country it is much about Rummy, and many have ended their lives. Recently one has made use of $10k from his parents account without their knowledge.

If you are a parent or guardian who doesnt really monitor your kids often or doesnt have a good track on what they've been doing or what they've been involved into then having these situations could really happen.

I agree that new generation kids are way too intelligent in terms of new technology that we do have today which they do easily adapt and learn and we know that some service is already or can
be available online which would really be that easy to be accessed.Its on one of the government duties and responsibilities on protecting their citizens which is understandable.

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Quote from: Distinctin on May 10, 2022, 03:57:49 PM

Quote from: harizen on May 09, 2022, 07:36:32 PM

Quote from: yazher on May 09, 2022, 01:02:18 AM

Yeah! that's what I'm saying because of no regulations, kids nowadays easily join and can access Gcash with the minimum regulations and that means they can cash in easily to bet and the problem here is the kids don't have any jobs at all except for the few of them, so where do you think they get their capital? this is a big question because before they even get addicted to playing online cockfighting, they already have this case where they might steal it from their parents or get it from illegal sources which we cannot even imagine.

Wait what bro, kids can access GCASH? What age period are you referring to here?

GCASH is only allowed to use by 18-years old above (PH). And besides, they can't do the KYC as these kids don't surely have those necessary valid IDs.

I doubt they can also use or borrow GCASH from their parents or close one as for every deposit, that will notify the account owner. Are those non-KYC accounts able to still receive money from verified users?

Nah, certainly kids below 18 years of age cannot have a GCash account because they needed a valid ID or government issued ID. But there are still lapses about this one because these kids nowadays are much more knowledgeable how to operate these platforms, surely they can't register an account in their names but they can make some account for their parents (who don't usually know how modern phone works) who also have a valid ID.

That's true, the present day kids are very intelligent to find ways to make use of the services using the parents/guardians id. As we've got self verification on exchanges through selfies, it can be done on these gambling sites. In my country it is much about Rummy, and many have ended their lives. Recently one has made use of $10k from his parents account without their knowledge.

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Quote from: aioc on May 10, 2022, 05:18:00 PM

I have this feeling that there is a possibility that online sabong will be back in the new administration there is a budget deficit as a huge part of the budget is going for payment of oustanding loanthe new presient may have won overwhelmingly but the business sector is not giving him a good score in investment priority from foreign investors, it will exhaust every means to generate revenues.

It is still early to have an assumption. There is always this possibility for the online cockfight to resume but it is too early to assume that the incoming administration will implement that. Maybe instead of allowing the online cockfight, they will do an intense campaign against it.

Quote from: Kelvinid on May 10, 2022, 05:56:12 PM

Where is that information coming from? Just because the stocks have dropped when Marcos was announce as the winner doesn't mean investor are not confident on his administration.

All this stock drop are just propagandas. Yellowtards which composed mostly of the elites are always like that.

Quote from: Kelvinid on May 10, 2022, 05:56:12 PM

The Philippines has a lot of resources, we can find a way to generate revenue from taxes, so let's just calm down,

True that, I hope BBM had gained his father's intellect and wisdom in managing a country and I hope he will make a full use of the Philippines resources to better the country.

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Quote from: aioc on May 10, 2022, 05:18:00 PM

I have this feeling that there is a possibility that online sabong will be back in the new administration there is a budget deficit as a huge part of the budget is going for payment of oustanding loanthe new presient may have won overwhelmingly but the business sector is not giving him a good score in investment priority from foreign investors, it will exhaust every means to generate revenues.

Where is that information coming from? Just because the stocks have dropped when Marcos was announce as the winner doesn't mean investor are not confident on his administration. The Philippines has a lot of resources, we can find a way to generate revenue from taxes, so let's just calm down, if they choose to bring back the online sabong, then good, but if the reason is that it destroys the life of the poor, then better keep the ban forever.

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Quote from: aioc on May 10, 2022, 05:18:00 PM

I have this feeling that there is a possibility that online sabong will be back in the new administration there is a budget deficit as a huge part of the budget is going for payment of oustanding loanthe new presient may have won overwhelmingly but the business sector is not giving him a good score in investment priority from foreign investors, it will exhaust every means to generate revenues.

Hmm to deep to make out some economic discussions since everything would really be vary on certain conditions if ever certain country does really need more tax then they wont really be removing this stuff
but same as you said that the previous administration is now over and been replaced by something new then for sure these decisions would neither retain or would be totally permanent.
Therefore, we couldn't really make out some conclusions yet whether this one would be removed or would continue as for speaking with players addiction then it could
really help via stopping this key area.

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Quote from: aioc on May 10, 2022, 05:18:00 PM

I have this feeling that there is a possibility that online sabong will be back in the new administration there is a budget deficit as a huge part of the budget is going for payment of oustanding loanthe new presient may have won overwhelmingly but the business sector is not giving him a good score in investment priority from foreign investors, it will exhaust every means to generate revenues.

IMHO, the new administration will not let the online cockfighting to re-operate because the reason why it was banned is it affects the morality of the general public as citizens can play online cockfighting with ease and anywhere to the extent that their lives were affected one way or another, most of the people who use the online sabong platform don't have the discipline or lack the discipline that a good gambler must have.

Besides, if the new administration will tackle this issue this might lead to another debate/protest from the opposition and fuel their supporters to stage a rally that can cause chaos to the public so better to let this issue die its natural death.

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I have this feeling that there is a possibility that online sabong will be back in the new administration there is a budget deficit as a huge part of the budget is going for payment of oustanding loanthe new presient may have won overwhelmingly but the business sector is not giving him a good score in investment priority from foreign investors, it will exhaust every means to generate revenues.

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Quote from: Naficopa on May 09, 2022, 12:47:12 AM

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It has been banned so whether we like it or not, it's already been imposed and effective immediately. It's known that gambling has a lot of portion to the taxation of a country.
But if it's been seen with a huge negative impact for the lives of those people that can no longer control themselves and there are kidnappings that has happened, there's a need to take action like the purpose of this thread.

hum - well if gambling has brought entertainment to the world than there are many horror stories attached to them as well.
It is trouble when one loose control and emotion during the game - be it online gambling or the in house game. One has to keep a tight control over the never in any case.

And the mere fact that these gamblers can no longer control themselves and some things are happening badly, the government has to do something to stop these events.
A good decision to be done but that doesn't mean that underground online cockfighting won't stop. I guess there will still be some that will continue to operate and they'll choose to be illegal as means of having huge profits in their operations.

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Quote from: Taskford on May 07, 2022, 08:15:39 AM

They provably switch on what's available on their country so for sure their addiction will not get aid if there are other option offered to them. And what I think much effective on this best if government ban gambling advertisement on any media platform especially on social media so that this gambling addiction will not spread so high and thus will be control by government.

That's a good suggestion but having advertised by individuals is unregulated and the government can't do anything with that unless they're going to put sanctions to those individuals.
The impact of being advertised by an individual gives confidence to their peers if they're talking that they've been doing it despite bans and other regulations but, the government won't give them any violation unless they're going to give that much attention on it.

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Quote from: harizen on May 09, 2022, 07:36:32 PM

Quote from: yazher on May 09, 2022, 01:02:18 AM

Yeah! that's what I'm saying because of no regulations, kids nowadays easily join and can access Gcash with the minimum regulations and that means they can cash in easily to bet and the problem here is the kids don't have any jobs at all except for the few of them, so where do you think they get their capital? this is a big question because before they even get addicted to playing online cockfighting, they already have this case where they might steal it from their parents or get it from illegal sources which we cannot even imagine.

Wait what bro, kids can access GCASH? What age period are you referring to here?

GCASH is only allowed to use by 18-years old above (PH). And besides, they can't do the KYC as these kids don't surely have those necessary valid IDs.

I doubt they can also use or borrow GCASH from their parents or close one as for every deposit, that will notify the account owner. Are those non-KYC accounts able to still receive money from verified users?

Nah, certainly kids below 18 years of age cannot have a GCash account because they needed a valid ID or government issued ID. But there are still lapses about this one because these kids nowadays are much more knowledgeable how to operate these platforms, surely they can't register an account in their names but they can make some account for their parents (who don't usually know how modern phone works) who also have a valid ID.

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Quote from: bitzizzix on May 10, 2022, 11:37:38 AM

Providing understanding to the public, maybe only a few are aware of it because the only gambling that controls it is oneself and self-awareness.
and the right choice for the government is to block it and that's it, I think people will stop when they realize that what they are doing and gambling excessively is not good which in the end they fix it and even stop it.

Don't you think it is short-sighted to give such huge power to officials? Suppose today they banned something really harmful, but tomorrow they can ban something that is not harmful, but simply interferes with them for political reasons. What will you do in such a case? Maybe after all, people with addictions will solve their problems without shifting them to other people?

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Quote from: michellee on May 10, 2022, 02:59:21 AM

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The problem is when gambling becomes available 24 hours 7 days a week and that access to it is available to everyone. Gambling is not designed to be there all the time. Gambling should not be the focus of everybody all the time. But when it is always there in front of you and always readily available after a few touches on your smart phone, it will really become a strong influence. It could easily get your attention. When this happens, it is better to issue a ban and forget about the revenue.

Don't forget that gambling is now available 24 hours 7 days a week because people can access online gambling and can immediately play easily. Maybe many people play gambling every day and try to win a lot of money from gambling. But this is about how you can avoid the temptation not to gamble every day because we definitely have other things to do every day and not just to gamble. If the government wants to issue a ban on gambling, they need to provide understanding to the public and explain that gambling must be in its place and must not interfere with their daily activities or activities. Otherwise, they would only destroy their lives sooner or later.

Providing understanding to the public, maybe only a few are aware of it because the only gambling that controls it is oneself and self-awareness.
and the right choice for the government is to block it and that's it, I think people will stop when they realize that what they are doing and gambling excessively is not good which in the end they fix it and even stop it.

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Quote from: Taskford on May 07, 2022, 08:15:39 AM

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Indeed. Addiction is very hard to prevent and treat, what is more challenging is the resources and the openness of the country regarding mental health issues and such, to which I heard is limited and not really promoted to the public that much. Also, what you've mentioned would be the ideal solution for this, for the government to ban advertisement and even limit the availability of gambling, but I doubt that this will happen because the government officials themselves are behind the operations of these. As per online gambling, no one can really stop those because there VPN and such that could be used for bypassing.

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Quote from: Fundamentals Of on May 09, 2022, 10:14:54 PM

The problem is when gambling becomes available 24 hours 7 days a week and that access to it is available to everyone. Gambling is not designed to be there all the time. Gambling should not be the focus of everybody all the time. But when it is always there in front of you and always readily available after a few touches on your smart phone, it will really become a strong influence. It could easily get your attention. When this happens, it is better to issue a ban and forget about the revenue.

That's valid. Each time you see an available fight being offered, the chance that you will be tempted to bet is always possible. I'm referring to E-Sabong in particular, with an easy access using your smart phone, you can join and pick your chosen cock in hope that it will bring you some decent amount of profits.

The decision of banning though is because of those rising problems with people who are missing, it would catch the attentions of mass media
and the President is answering the calls.

It's different from majority online gambling where the sole responsible is you. Without control, losing everything will be possible to happen.

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Quote from: Fundamentals Of on May 09, 2022, 10:14:54 PM

The problem is when gambling becomes available 24 hours 7 days a week and that access to it is available to everyone. Gambling is not designed to be there all the time. Gambling should not be the focus of everybody all the time. But when it is always there in front of you and always readily available after a few touches on your smart phone, it will really become a strong influence. It could easily get your attention. When this happens, it is better to issue a ban and forget about the revenue.

Don't forget that gambling is now available 24 hours 7 days a week because people can access online gambling and can immediately play easily. Maybe many people play gambling every day and try to win a lot of money from gambling. But this is about how you can avoid the temptation not to gamble every day because we definitely have other things to do every day and not just to gamble. If the government wants to issue a ban on gambling, they need to provide understanding to the public and explain that gambling must be in its place and must not interfere with their daily activities or activities. Otherwise, they would only destroy their lives sooner or later.

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Quote from: chaser15 on May 04, 2022, 04:57:03 PM

For me, it shouldn't be stopped but should be more regulated strictly. I know there's a thing that can balance this but I don't know the specific term of it. Because of these irresponsible gamblers, the government's revenue got affected which should be a big help now that our country is just slowly rising after years of dealing with the pandemic.

People didn't wreck their lives gambling, something else was the trigger that drew them into the game and made them overspend - maybe boredom, trying to recreate a memory, looking for shortcuts to wealth, etc. If they didn't lose it gambling they would likely have found a different way to spend that money. However this law pretends to be noble, but the only reason they banned it online is because it looks good (animal welfare), brings in a fairly low amount and they're probably losing more money to unregulated overseas operations they have no control over.

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Quote from: Fundamentals Of on May 09, 2022, 10:14:54 PM

The problem is when gambling becomes available 24 hours 7 days a week and that access to it is available to everyone. Gambling is not designed to be there all the time. Gambling should not be the focus of everybody all the time. But when it is always there in front of you and always readily available after a few touches on your smart phone, it will really become a strong influence. It could easily get your attention. When this happens, it is better to issue a ban and forget about the revenue.

If we are honest this is a problem that is relatively new, after all it was not that long ago that if you wanted to gamble you need to do so at a physical casino, and now due to the fact that we are connected all the time thanks to the internet and that we can reach a person at the other side of the world with no issue then activities like this have become more problematic, as the audience for it has increased and this would lead to more cockfights, as the organizers try to satisfy the demand there is for this, so a ban seems like the most appropriate outcome to avoid this situation to continue.

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The problem is when gambling becomes available 24 hours 7 days a week and that access to it is available to everyone. Gambling is not designed to be there all the time. Gambling should not be the focus of everybody all the time. But when it is always there in front of you and always readily available after a few touches on your smart phone, it will really become a strong influence. It could easily get your attention. When this happens, it is better to issue a ban and forget about the revenue.

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Quote from: yazher on May 09, 2022, 01:02:18 AM

Yeah! that's what I'm saying because of no regulations, kids nowadays easily join and can access Gcash with the minimum regulations and that means they can cash in easily to bet and the problem here is the kids don't have any jobs at all except for the few of them, so where do you think they get their capital? this is a big question because before they even get addicted to playing online cockfighting, they already have this case where they might steal it from their parents or get it from illegal sources which we cannot even imagine.

Wait what bro, kids can access GCASH? What age period are you referring to here?

GCASH is only allowed to use by 18-years old above (PH). And besides, they can't do the KYC as these kids don't surely have those necessary valid IDs.

I doubt they can also use or borrow GCASH from their parents or close one as for every deposit, that will notify the account owner. Are those non-KYC accounts able to still receive money from verified users?

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