Topic: PH banned online cockfighting - Worst gambling-related cases recorded! - page 23. (Read 3700 times)

i believe what triggered the ban maybe was the news about disappearance of some e-sabong agents. don't know if they resolve this already or they find those people. but anyway, the actual cockfighting is still ongoing so maybe, the hard part for this is the betting part as you need to be there. unlike with online, they can easily bet at the comfort of their home. maybe this move will lessen some of their addiction problems towards this game...

We need to look further into this issue, what would happen if more than 50% of people in a country were addicted to games to the point of stealing, killing and selling even their own children in order to continue playing? the country would be sunk in crime that would no longer even be governed, it would be the end of the country. So is it worth it for a government to be making millions a month profit thanks to the tax levied on gambling when the same country is experiencing a large increase in cases of addicted people every day? long term is not something viable


I don't agree with fight bets, things like people and animal fights I'm against and they should be banned, about your question the answer is clear: if there wasn't this animal fight people wouldn't be losing money on it


and it could be too late if they didn't banish early. people tend not to control themselves when it comes to dreaming of having a lot of money and games have this ability to easily create illusions in people

If that's their mentality then I'm 100% sure they will lose everything in the process or even big and worst getting addicted.

There are games that are meant for fun and there are games that meant for profit making if you know what I mean, but most of them believed that they could make money from gambling almost everyday or everytime they play. That would lead someone to get addicted that's why I suggest there should be someone on that casino that would tell them to refrain from gambling too much since they were losing too much.

If it's really that easy to place a bet using fiat and it's that low then it's no surprise that more people got addicted to it. It starts as a leisure and everything is just for fun until they lose a lot of two dollars hehe.

The ban may not stop it completely but it makes it harder for game operators. Funding each match will be tough for bettors too since they can be traced using fiat.

Usually gaming arenas could actually get some tax from it aside into those illegal cockfighting on outside legal premises which would really able not to give any revenue from the government and we know that
there are activities something like this which do happens thats why they've been cracking it out for them to be caught and now that online betting is already possible then they do make out
such bill or action for it to be prohibited completely since they couldnt get benefit in terms of tax and at the same time they are in concern for their citizens possible problem ahead then
having this gesture isnt really that bad after all.

Even in my country we've got cockfights, but that aren't generating such a big money to the government or the respective person who takes care of the cock and lets them fight. Taking cockfights to the online gambling is really big, whereas in my country it is like a contest than gambling. This happens at times of traditional festivals and people just bring the cock and lets them fight. Maybe something like this can be encouraged, but the case mentioned in philippines is very bad. The action took by the President is really appreciable.

I think it's more of Filipinos losing their gripe on reality here. I will admit that I play this game during pandemic, but fortunately, I didn't become addicted. But I know a lot of my friends and even family members putting their hard earn money on it and gamble everything. So I would like it to be stop by all means so that those people will not really be addicted and lives be save. And it's only "AA" who are becoming rich, (for sure Filipinos know who I'm talking here), 

It does really happen. There are people that gambles for fun and one of it is me. I didn't expect to earn a profit but if I do then nice but after that I will stop because I already had fun. Maybe it doesn't happen to you because you always gamble in hopes of earning something. That is not wrong but what is only wrong is if you expect to win at all times because that won't happen but you will only lose and lose more looking for that big win.

This online cockfighting on the Philippines are so popular that even underage people gets involved with it and there are even reports of deaths and players are being kidnapped for the same reason. That's the reason why their president bans it for good.

Lol, the main concerns regards cockfighting is people losing their funds, developing addiction and losing the control over their own lives, while no one gives any importance to the abuses and tortures animals are suffering on this "sport". Even though the government didn't use the correct argument to forbid this practice, at least they did it somehow. Any activities which involve fight and violence between live beings who/which can't answer for themselves should be completely banned.

Probably roman governors and slaves' merchants would justify the same thing if there were an attempt to ban gladiators' fights back then, in the ancient times.

On the other hand, it's a great idea for boosting the local economy right now, since cockfights are going to be forbidden and some extra income is needed for the country. So why not start putting the cockfights' supporters to fight among themselves inside an arena, just like they like watching the cocks fight till death?

it's definitly not going to happen, right? "Everything is funny as long as it is happening to somebody else".

This is extreme and isn't like anything I've heard of except, gor cases of addicted gamblers getting to sell there properties and even in a few case, committing suicide. Getting to sell a kid and as far as kidnapping people for whatever reason being gambling related, its a whole different dimension to it. Why would they go that learnt, for ransom and generate funds to gamble with, what the heck! It's absurd!!!

As much as gambling might be contributing to some of the problem, it doenst end with gambling and making it online solved other problems too. If we are to look at this properly, legalisation of this industry and placing it online solved the issue of people getting to gamble independently on the streets and in secretes as these is always associated with much violence. Placing a ban on online gambling is directly going to bring that back.
I think, cases of addiction should be identified and the individuals should be rehabilitated or some therapy program should be made available to them.

Also, people tend to gamble either for fun or look to it to earn money to go through there daily life. This only becomes the case when there is no jobs or available means to some livelihood. Government could look towards that too. It could do a little to minimising the case and the dangers that comes with it.

I'm surprised how many people in the thread are happy with the fact that they are forbidden something 
Is it masochism? Or the realization that they cannot control their lives on their own, so they give this responsibility to officials? I don't understand this logic. Unfortunately, such moods are now popular in all areas, people are becoming too infantile.

it made a lot of people who are not used to gambling online coming to the internet though. many of these sabongeros in the Philipines don't go online before the e-sabong. now that is shut down, do you think they are going to move to online casinos?

the one who facilitates esabong is a popular rich individual that already has a database of people who wagers in sabong. it can be easy for him to lead to another game.

But in the end it turns out that this entertainment is completely forbidden for everyone - both for those who can control themselves and for those who cannot. Can this be considered acceptable? I think no. If the state begins to consider citizens as morons who themselves cannot make decisions, then after a while this can lead to a dictatorship.

just to clear things up. the philippine government is not banning cockfighting but only the operation of e-sabong(which is still a good thing). cock fighting will most likely still be allowed after they banned the operation of e-sabong.

it is an aggressive and usually a fight to the death sport, the majority(maybe all) of the defeated rooster usually dies during the fight or after the fight.

Exactly.

Exactly. People living on 1st world countries are highly disconnected to the plight of those living in 3rd world countries. They might not even know how does one family survive in just a small sum of money for the whole day. Cockfighting brings about jobs and income to the poor, but at the same time it takes away from them. Even if it brings in some money to the poor, there is no doubt that a lot of poor people are being addicted to it. It helps the government on taxes, but the ones betting on these poor animals are those directly affected by it ultimately.

it would have been better to read about an exclusion for ethical reasons, but I think these are Western values, difficult to find around the world.
As I said before, the problem in such case isnt not related a specific type of gambling. If you develop such kind of addiction, you Will play just with any other gambling games...

Living things bred for a purpose, that they don't have any control for. If you want to look at evolution, they wasn't meant to be bred for a specific purpose. I mean, I know the counter argument to this is that we breed animals all the time to eat produce or harvest certain materials from them. However, breeding something to basically fight, and as far as I know fight to the death in most cases? That doesn't sit right with me. Personally, I'm quite shocked the amount of users here talking about the money aspect, rather than the morality of it all.

Personally, I couldn't care about the money aspect. A question to ask would be if it brings money into the country, and benefits people that would otherwise be poor, is that a real reason to basically condemn an animal to this way of life? Effectively it's for gambling, which you could question if that's moral, especially when it hasn't been implemented with the upmost due diligence.

I know as humans we've tended to use animals in history as a way of entertainment, and we still do. Although, personally for me I'm not a fan of the animals being bred to fight to the death. Even, the bulls which are penned in, and then agitated purposely to get a show. Also, not a fan of that.

You make good points, and I've thought about this. It definitely does do good, but at what cost? I mean, shouldn't we be striving to make money at as little cost to other life around us as possible? I'm sure there's other things they could be pouring money into to better the country, because no doubt there was money being poured into this sport from all over.

The good point you do make is, we do harvest animals for food. This happens all over the world, and despite improving awareness about the conditions these animals are put in, it's still universally bad. There's also definitely moral questions to be asked about this situation. For the record, I say that as a non vegetarian.

For sure they have been rethinking about the possible benefits that they could get from this in speaking with taxes or revenue but still they do consider out the status of their citizens which are really that addicted

to this online betting which could really destroy up some lives if not really that controlled properly.So they do came up into a solution on stopping it completely, yes its a waste of revenue but

they do mind about their citizens condition for them to be avoided on too much addiction.

Now that's too much. I have never ever heard of such an incident where anybody sold their kid just so that they can gamble more.
If things are worse at such levels then banning cockfighting is the best thing to do as it would at least make things better hopefully.
The government can find other ways to generate revenue but conditions like this are definitely worst.

Poverty is the main reason, if that E-Sabong will continue to exist, it will only give an opportunity to people to gamble and the biggest audience of e-sabong are the poor people. Stopping it is not good for the operators as they are making billions of pesos on a monthly basis, but there's nothing they can do because the President himself does not want it to continue making money from people.