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- Do you think that your respective government will do the same even though that gambling is a big contributor to the government's revenue? It's a big sacrifice but no choice since lots of people got wrecked here and there are still unsolved cases of missing people.

Well, the Philippines had banned online cockfighting, and I think other governments will.


- Is it really valid that we should blame the online cockfighting here that's why most people wrecked their lives?

Yes, it is the root of all the problems so it is better to weed it out.

For me, it shouldn't be stopped but should be more regulated strictly. I know there's a thing that can balance this but I don't know the specific term of it.

In what way would you regulate this kind of stuff?  Do you think what you propose is effective?

Because of these irresponsible gamblers, the government's revenue got affected which should be a big help now that our country is just slowly rising after years of dealing with the pandemic.

Indeed they are very irresponsible and even tight regulation won't stop them to play.  So better take out the source of the problem.  and it may be a big help but that is not the only source of the government income.   If the government let it be, there is far more serious consequence lie ahead so government take action and forbid the online cockfighting.
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Online cockfighting which seems new to me and I don't know people will get the same experience of real world online cockfighting. But banning because people are addicted is good move or else they can bring more restrictions so the addiction can be reduced but banning it is okay for me because its totally not fair to treat the animals in that way for our business.
You can ask yourself the same thing if online casinos games offer the same experience as offline casino games do and by that you will know the answer but unlike to many casino games, this online cockfighting is not played by you but it can be the same as sports betting where you only watch the match live or in the case of e-cockfighting you're watching two chickens fight for their lives. Obviously if who dies or gets injured, he will lose and if you bet on that chicken you will also lose your money.

Online cockfighting can be the same as any other gambling games, they shouldn't ban it as long as it has a permit or license to operate but they only ban those who are illegal.
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Let's discuss: (applies to all gambling-type)

- Do you think that your respective government will do the same even though that gambling is a big contributor to the government's revenue? It's a big sacrifice but no choice since lots of people got wrecked here and there are still unsolved cases of missing people.

I think that there has to be some sort of compromise in balancing the two (2) acts. Though gambling has brought tremendous amounts of revenue in a country, it has to balance the interest of minors and the welfare of the people in avoiding to get addicted. As long as the government can somehow address this issue, then I think these gambling establishments can remain.

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- Is it really valid that we should blame the online cockfighting here that's why most people wrecked their lives?

Let me ask you a question, is it valid that we should blame guns for the violence caused by the people? Is it also valid that we blame McDonalds for the increase rate of obesity globally? Though the responsibility falls under the person gambling industry must also take some precautions in avoiding gambling addiction to their players.

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I don't think they can blame it to gambling especially it is the player's behavior that ruin their lives, going back to the main topic. The cockfighting in the Philippines was banned not because of the people that has a problem with gambling addiction (Not sure but probably part of it) but I think the main reason is because of the investigations of who's behind of the missing cockfighting players in the Philippines.
If that is the main reason then it will probably concern only the families of the missing person, it's not the majority concern as the investigation is still ongoing. Besides, online gambling has nothing to do with that, as long as you stay at home and gamble, you are safe as a gambler.

That should not be the main reason, I doubt that, it's the overall impact of the gamblers IMO.

It's triggered the president's decisions, that missing people who allegedly missing and the cops that are suspected to be part of these crimes, plus the numbers of ruined families because of gamblers so much addictions to these gambling activities. Reasons that compound and weight the president to decide in stopping these activities from his jurisdictions.

Still ongoing investigation while E-Sabong was already stopped. Hope not to cover or not to leave those families who are still crying for justice.

Missing people still in unknown status, it's best to continue the investigation and bring justice to the people behind.
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I don't think they can blame it to gambling especially it is the player's behavior that ruin their lives, going back to the main topic. The cockfighting in the Philippines was banned not because of the people that has a problem with gambling addiction (Not sure but probably part of it) but I think the main reason is because of the investigations of who's behind of the missing cockfighting players in the Philippines.
If that is the main reason then it will probably concern only the families of the missing person, it's not the majority concern as the investigation is still ongoing. Besides, online gambling has nothing to do with that, as long as you stay at home and gamble, you are safe as a gambler.

That should not be the main reason, I doubt that, it's the overall impact of the gamblers IMO.
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PH President Rodrigo Duterte has approved the recommendation of the Department of the Interior and Local Government (DILG) to stop e-sabong or online cockfighting operations.

Online E-Sabong (cockfighting) is a legit and regulated gambling industry here in the Philippines. So much hype that many people got hooked on it even those who are not really into that gambling since betting here is so easy and different from the actual betting in the live arena.

The government is supporting online cockfighting here because it's a big help to support the economy during and after the peak of the pandemic. According to statistics, the government is receiving around PHP 60,000,000 (around $1,149,700 USD) per month in a form of taxation and revenue.

But since the hype of online cockfighting here, there are lots of recorded negative effects of gambling up to this date. Some people sold their houses, cars, gadgets, and even a "kid". There are also cases of missing several people on which today, there's still no good progress and that was all related to these gambling.

This was all brought up to the President and even though he was supporting the online cockfighting industry here, he ask his constituents to conduct a survey on the effect of this on all people. The result is WORST that's why ASAP, the President ban right away the online cockfighting and disregard the revenue the government is getting.

Let's discuss: (applies to all gambling-type)

- Do you think that your respective government will do the same even though that gambling is a big contributor to the government's revenue? It's a big sacrifice but no choice since lots of people got wrecked here and there are still unsolved cases of missing people.

- Is it really valid that we should blame the online cockfighting here that's why most people wrecked their lives?

For me, it shouldn't be stopped but should be more regulated strictly. I know there's a thing that can balance this but I don't know the specific term of it. Because of these irresponsible gamblers, the government's revenue got affected which should be a big help now that our country is just slowly rising after years of dealing with the pandemic.

It depends how you were brought up and what your society feels acceptable, but any sort of blood sport involving animals makes me think of a rather barbaric culture. How anyone can get any sort of joy or entertainment out of watching scared animals trying to win a fight to the death is abhorrent. It's one thing if two boxers, who have a choice, want to step in a ring and fight it out (to a certain point) but these animals are given no choice. In fact you could say the winner will only suffer even longer because they will get injured and have to kill more opponents. It's sadistic and unfortunately the Philippine government doesn't ban it outright and from the sounds of it they are making a pittance from taxing it anyway.
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I don't think they can blame it to gambling especially it is the player's behavior that ruin their lives, going back to the main topic. The cockfighting in the Philippines was banned not because of the people that has a problem with gambling addiction (Not sure but probably part of it) but I think the main reason is because of the investigations of who's behind of the missing cockfighting players in the Philippines.
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Good decision made by PH government because it really create huge disastrous effect to the life of the gamblers as well with their families.

Also their past issues regarding on those missing gamblers is also one key major factor why they need to stop this. Hopefully they totally ban this because the accessibility of this platform what make people put at risk because many are now addicted on this E-sabong.

They have no choice but to ban e- sabong or news of people losing properties and lives will continue to hunt the Duterte administration, the revenue is huge to sustain the recovery program but Duterte chooses values over profit and that's a good decision, but Duterte's term will end, if the new president needs funding and his advisers offer huge revenues from e-sabong, there's a possibility that it will be reopened, so we'll wait next year when a new President steps in.

They always have a choice but PH government always see the huge taxes what E-sabong can bring that's why even if there's an issue like this before they decide to continue this and the owner able to collect more money to their bettors. And since government already see how huge the damage it cause to its citizens and many life destroyed by this E-sabong now they put a decision to stop this and I can say this is good implementation they made towards this long time burden of people who's family is engage with this bad habits.

There's a huge money lose by government for stopping this but for sure we can see the benefits as many people are now away for being addicted of this cock fighthing game.
For sure they have been rethinking about the possible benefits that they could get from this in speaking with taxes or revenue but still they do consider out the status of their citizens which are really that addicted

to this online betting which could really destroy up some lives if not really that controlled properly.So they do came up into a solution on stopping it completely, yes its a waste of revenue but

they do mind about their citizens condition for them to be avoided on too much addiction.

The government surely considering that as they need more funds to combat this current pandemic happen in the world and the taxes they get from E-Sabong somehow helps. But the counter effect of it is many lives has been destroy due to uncontrolled manner upon gambling, since statistics already show about how bad the effect of it maybe this one trigger out the government to decide stopping its operation.
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I'm surprised how many people in the thread are happy with the fact that they are forbidden something  Grin
Is it masochism? Or the realization that they cannot control their lives on their own, so they give this responsibility to officials? I don't understand this logic. Unfortunately, such moods are now popular in all areas, people are becoming too infantile.

Lol I literally laughed at the "masochism".
That second statement, sometimes are true. I know it's ridiculous but that's how it is. Have you heard about the PH president's war on drugs? A lot of people have actually changed and some people I knew who's been into drugs before pres Duterte's term, was even thankful and happy they've got rid of the horror of drug addiction.
 That's actually the same thing on what's happening on this issue on online cockfighting in the country. Though I am not one of those who got addicted with this kind of gambling coz I personally not into Roosters lol I'm more into sports.

Also, I have a brother in law who's on the verge of marital separation because of this platform.

The drug war made him very famous around the world. Its all over the western media years ago. When people have trust and respect I think  they are up to listen and obey. Because the online cockfighting has license from the government, I think the government can provide assistance to addicted individuals with the help of the cockfighting business owner.

Marital separation though needs counseling. Sounds worse. He didn't give his profit to the wife when he wins and ask capital from the wife if he loses.   Grin
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People who are involved in this profession should be provided with solutions to be able to earn income so that, even if the government shuts down or prohibits gambling, people can actually earn their living. Who knows after that, they can stay away from gambling because the government gives them the awareness that playing gambling will only make them lose money.
What PH has done is actually correct by banning cock-fighting gambling in order to limit the addiction of its citizens, even though the Philippine government gets quite a large tax from gambling but this is not comparable to the losses they have received so far, namely increasing poverty due to gambling, I agree with what do you say, if the president had to understand better to find the right solution to stop people addiction to gambling, because so far the majority of gamblers have argued that gambling is one way to get money easily and the lack of available job vacancies has triggered many people to make gambling as an alternative to earn income.
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I don't see animal cruelty here because in the first place, these fighting cocks are treated well. It's hard to breed fighting cocks for a purpose on that. Breeders are spending lots of money here and in the end, they will just show cruelty on their own fighting cocks lol.

This is not something about animal cruelty but the effect on the people is now getting serious. These people may be new to gambling that's why they don't know how to face their losses and instead, they will chase it.

It's good that for now, it was suspended. It will give time to those addicted bettors to find themselves even if it will take time.
If we consider cockfighting as animal cruelty, then i guess all gambling activities that involve animals like dogs and horses might be banned too in the future. But i honestly don't see it as one.  Its just that with the emergence of online sabong, addiction has risen up and different cases have been reported that until now have not been resolved. So its best to suspend it for a while, and let those gamblers find other means to amuse theirselves. Once its back, the government should tighten the policies about online cockfighting so that people would put limit on it.
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People who are involved in this profession should be provided with solutions to be able to earn income so that, even if the government shuts down or prohibits gambling, people can actually earn their living. Who knows after that, they can stay away from gambling because the government gives them the awareness that playing gambling will only make them lose money.
Not talking about the gamblers who may survive by not spending the money but can find other ways to spend it but what about the people who grow and breed such cocks and all the things related to cock fight will stranded with no other way of income because PH is not definitely a country where everyone saved lot of money in their bank account so they can survive for next 3 to 6 month without salary.
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This online cockfighting gives access to everyone to gamble especially those who are on the lower income range, since they are the real target here and seriously even a minor can have a bet on this one and its really addicting. Though there’s no final resolution yet with regards to this one but hopefully the government will start to regulate this, and banned online cockfighting as much as possible. This has been the reason why many are broke today, this should be stopped.
Aside from the addiction and underage gambling animal fighting is an unethical and wicked act towards animals as there are always uncontrolled and easily go wide on each other which in most cases is against the animal's rights act if the government banned physical cockfighting am sure it would be long before online casinos that feature animals fight will get the same banned also if they are operating within that same region.
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I'm surprised how many people in the thread are happy with the fact that they are forbidden something  Grin
Is it masochism? Or the realization that they cannot control their lives on their own, so they give this responsibility to officials? I don't understand this logic. Unfortunately, such moods are now popular in all areas, people are becoming too infantile.

Lol I literally laughed at the "masochism".
That second statement, sometimes are true. I know it's ridiculous but that's how it is. Have you heard about the PH president's war on drugs? A lot of people have actually changed and some people I knew who's been into drugs before pres Duterte's term, was even thankful and happy they've got rid of the horror of drug addiction.
 That's actually the same thing on what's happening on this issue on online cockfighting in the country. Though I am not one of those who got addicted with this kind of gambling coz I personally not into Roosters lol I'm more into sports.

Also, I have a brother in law who's on the verge of marital separation because of this platform.
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- Do hink that your respective government will do the same even though that gambling is a big contributor to the government's revenue? It's a big sacrifice but no choice since lots of people got wrecked here and there are still unsolved cases of missing people.

- Is it really valid that we should blame the online cockfighting here that's why most people wrecked their lives?

For me, it shouldn't be stopped but should be more regulated strictly. I know there's a thing that can balance this but I don't know the specific term of it. Because of these irresponsible gamblers, the government's revenue got affected which should be a big help now that our country is just slowly rising after years of dealing with the pandemic.
If the President do care for his people then he'd do the best possible course of action to stop it. There are other source where the government can get taxes from and I think it won't rely heavily on one source.

Well, you could blame it on the gambling too considering it has effects to other people's live. You can blame it on the gambling but on the other hand you can blame it on the individual too.
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People who are involved in this profession should be provided with solutions to be able to earn income so that, even if the government shuts down or prohibits gambling, people can actually earn their living. Who knows after that, they can stay away from gambling because the government gives them the awareness that playing gambling will only make them lose money.
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Even in my country we've got cockfights, but that aren't generating such a big money to the government or the respective person who takes care of the cock and lets them fight. Taking cockfights to the online gambling is really big, whereas in my country it is like a contest than gambling. This happens at times of traditional festivals and people just bring the cock and lets them fight. Maybe something like this can be encouraged, but the case mentioned in philippines is very bad. The action took by the President is really appreciable.
On the other side what government did to save the people who are going to face the revenue loss who are involved in this profession, government simply ban and didn't consider the circumstances of people? Banning something suddenly will encourage black market for sure and revenue loss and unorganised activities will takes place.
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- Do you think that your respective government will do the same even though that gambling is a big contributor to the government's revenue? It's a big sacrifice but no choice since lots of people got wrecked here and there are still unsolved cases of missing people.

- Is it really valid that we should blame the online cockfighting here that's why most people wrecked their lives?

For me, it shouldn't be stopped but should be more regulated strictly. I know there's a thing that can balance this but I don't know the specific term of it. Because of these irresponsible gamblers, the government's revenue got affected which should be a big help now that our country is just slowly rising after years of dealing with the pandemic.
I really think that cockfighting should be banned completely instead of being regulated, the reason for this is simple, in the case of a sport like boxing even if the nature of the sport is violent people are deciding on their own to participate on those fights, however when it comes to ther animals they do not really get a choice and they have to fight, at least to me this is simply unacceptable, however when it comes to pointing at the responsible for losing their money people need to take a look on the mirror and they will see the ones that are directly responsible for losing their wealth, so they should not blame external factors when they are the ones at fault.
Well, online cockfighting is regulated in the Philippines, they have the rules to follow and they paid the right taxes. However, the government realized that in the long run, it will only cause trouble to the people, that's why they evaluated it and come up with the decision to ban it.

It's not easy to make that decision since the government are making millions of pesos from taxes collected, but value the life of the people that are affected in this business because gambling addiction is a serious problem.
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- Do you think that your respective government will do the same even though that gambling is a big contributor to the government's revenue? It's a big sacrifice but no choice since lots of people got wrecked here and there are still unsolved cases of missing people.

- Is it really valid that we should blame the online cockfighting here that's why most people wrecked their lives?

For me, it shouldn't be stopped but should be more regulated strictly. I know there's a thing that can balance this but I don't know the specific term of it. Because of these irresponsible gamblers, the government's revenue got affected which should be a big help now that our country is just slowly rising after years of dealing with the pandemic.
I really think that cockfighting should be banned completely instead of being regulated, the reason for this is simple, in the case of a sport like boxing even if the nature of the sport is violent people are deciding on their own to participate on those fights, however when it comes to ther animals they do not really get a choice and they have to fight, at least to me this is simply unacceptable, however when it comes to pointing at the responsible for losing their money people need to take a look on the mirror and they will see the ones that are directly responsible for losing their wealth, so they should not blame external factors when they are the ones at fault.
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it made a lot of people who are not used to gambling online coming to the internet though. many of these sabongeros in the Philipines don't go online before the e-sabong. now that is shut down, do you think they are going to move to online casinos?

I think, no. Because if these people are really interested in online casinos, they should have done it as there are lots of online casinos already even before the e-sabong. There are even online bingo, color game but none of those got the mass attention of the public. These people who are not into gambling are not really interested in casino games as they don't want to try their luck in those programmed casinos.

Different in sabong that bets are very simple, with no technicalities involved while at the same time, it's a good traditional past time in the country before.
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