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May 06, 2021, 08:27:15 PM
#30
Vaccines don't kill people, people kill people.

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May 06, 2021, 07:59:27 PM
#29
Your picking and choosing to believe one thing but not another is totally anecdotal... unscientific.

Incorrect. There is no picking and choosing necessary, all your made-up nonsense is nonsense. But if you want to dispute CDC findings, you should probably start by reviewing "available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records" instead of grabbing one number that you like and making up a story about it.
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May 06, 2021, 07:32:26 PM
#28
You don't like what the CDC is telling you, do you! You believe them about Covid. Why not the vaccines?

And then you want to pick on poor little me, because you can't wrap your genitals head around the info. You seem to be even more retarded than f1.

Speaking of CDC:

Over 245 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through May 3, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 4,178 reports of death (0.0017%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA physicians review each case report of death as soon as notified and CDC requests medical records to further assess reports. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths.  Get the latest safety information on the J&J/Janssen vaccine. CDC and FDA will continue to investigate reports of adverse events, including deaths, reported to VAERS.

You have conveniently ignored two facts about VAERS: it's an open system where anyone can report anything, and it does not necessarly mean that the vaccine was actually the cause of those adverse events. Add to that the clearly made up 1% figure and you got a full-blown conspiratardery.

Do yourself a favor, try some actual math. Like: out of 150 million vaccinated individuals, assuming a 0.8% annual death rate, how many would have died the next day for reasons unrelated to the vaccine?

Precisely. Time for you to look at the CDC and realize that it is made up of loads of doctors who don't necessarily agree with what the CDC officially publishes.

With regard to the type of idea vaccines is, consider the CDC comorbidity report about 94% dying from comorbidities rather than Covid. The whole CDC is simply an open report that jumps this way and that. In the same way that they say that people dying of Covid when they are really dying of comorbidities, in that way the people are dying of the vaccine rather than something else. Or vice versa if you want to go that route.

Your picking and choosing to believe one thing but not another is totally anecdotal... unscientific.

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May 06, 2021, 07:20:57 PM
#27
You don't like what the CDC is telling you, do you! You believe them about Covid. Why not the vaccines?

And then you want to pick on poor little me, because you can't wrap your genitals head around the info. You seem to be even more retarded than f1.

Speaking of CDC:

Over 245 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through May 3, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 4,178 reports of death (0.0017%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA physicians review each case report of death as soon as notified and CDC requests medical records to further assess reports. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths.  Get the latest safety information on the J&J/Janssen vaccine. CDC and FDA will continue to investigate reports of adverse events, including deaths, reported to VAERS.

You have conveniently ignored two facts about VAERS: it's an open system where anyone can report anything, and it does not necessarly mean that the vaccine was actually the cause of those adverse events. Add to that the clearly made up 1% figure and you got a full-blown conspiratardery.

Do yourself a favor, try some actual math. Like: out of 150 million vaccinated individuals, assuming a 0.8% annual death rate, how many would have died the next day for reasons unrelated to the vaccine?
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May 06, 2021, 06:51:40 PM
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You're underestimating it... according to my scientific research 1/3 are dead, so out of ~150 million vaccinated in the US alone, ~50 million must have died by now. On the other hand, apparently they are still able to use the internet so it's not a big deal really.

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Thanks for the encouragement. From https://www.openvaers.com/, "12,261 DEATHS"... with the notation that, "VAERS is the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System put in place in 1990. It is a voluntary reporting system that has been estimated to account for only 1%* of vaccine injuries." In other words, this is a CDC report.

At https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data/death-stats, "COVID Vaccine Data - Through April 23, 2021 - Deaths: Total 3544." Adding in the fact that only 1% are reported... you calculate it.


You don't like what the CDC is telling you, do you! You believe them about Covid. Why not the vaccines?

And then you want to pick on poor little me, because you can't wrap your genitals head around the info. You seem to be even more retarded than f1.

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May 06, 2021, 05:54:51 PM
#25
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You're underestimating it... according to my scientific research 1/3 are dead, so out of ~150 million vaccinated in the US alone, ~50 million must have died by now. On the other hand, apparently they are still able to use the internet so it's not a big deal really.

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legendary
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May 06, 2021, 05:36:02 PM
#24
More proof, plus realistic estimates of how many died from Covid, so far, in the USA.


VACCINE HOLOCAUST now accelerating: VAERS data show nearly 4,000% increase in vaccine deaths in 2021 (so far) vs. the entire year of 2020



According to government data published at VAERS.hhs.gov, just 82 people died in 2020 after being vaccinated. But so far in 2021, there are 3,317 deaths that have been reported following covid-19 vaccinations.

That’s an increase of nearly 4000%, and we’re barely into the second quarter of 2021 (versus the entire year of 2020).

Less than half of the US population has been vaccinated so far, which means as that number increases, the deaths will increase, too. If this trend continues, we are likely to see somewhere between 12,000, – 15,000 post-vaccine deaths reported to the VAERS system by the end of calendar 2021.

Here’s the VAERS data captured on May 6th, 2021, when searching for “death” following vaccination:



Informed medical observers note that VAERS only captures anywhere from 1% to 10% of actual deaths or symptoms, which means that, reasonably, anywhere from 33,000 to 330,000 Americans have already died after taking covid-19 vaccines.

And the murderous vaccine industry is just getting warmed up.

It’s likely that 50,000 Americans have already been killed by covid vaccines

So far, they’ve only managed to vaccinate the “low-hanging fruit” of oblivious, gullible Americans who are too stupid to realize the government is lying to them. Now, they’re meeting so-called “vaccine hesitancy,” and they’re rolling out financial rewards, free beer and other silly incentives to try to inject another few million Americans who are dumb enough to trade their lives for a free beer. (It’s not free then, is it?)

My well-educated guess is that right now, covid-19 vaccines have likely killed around 50,000 Americans. This puts the covid vaccine on par with the number of Americans killed in the entire Vietnam War. That makes sense because the vaccine industry is waging war on humanity, and by the time they’re done, they hope to exterminate billions.

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May 06, 2021, 05:09:55 PM
#23
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I mean, that's categorically not what it says, but don't let facts get in the way of your nonsense opinions. Why change the habit of a lifetime.
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May 06, 2021, 04:56:07 PM
#22
This study (https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1005) looked at the rate of blood clots between the mRNA vaccines (Pfizer, Moderna) and COVID infections.
That latest data from the CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/safety-of-vaccines.html) also estimates the rate of blood clots with the "high risk" J&J vaccine.
Here are the numbers:

Pfizer/Moderna: 4.1 cases per million people
AstraZeneca: 5 cases per million people
J&J: 7 cases per million people
COVID: 39 cases per million people

Don't want a blood clot? Great! Get the vaccine. It reduces your risk of blood clots by between 80-90%!

Sounds like a real sound couple of 'studies' you got there.  Pffft.

Read a little bit of the first one.  Oxford studied the the Oxford/AstraZenea vaccine in the U.S. and found no blood related issues caused by AstraZeneca because no AstraZeneca was given there.  Anyone see a problem here....a couple of problems actually.  I'll leave it to the reader.

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May 06, 2021, 04:52:31 PM
#21
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According to the news, it was even in United States alone that over 4100 death were recorded, that means more death would be recorded in the world generally. I even thought the blood clotting adverse effect which was reported not common did not lead to death, thinking it will be impossible for few people not to die among millions of people given the vaccine. Although, not all will be linked to the vaccine.

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A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths.
It will really be interesting to know if the blood clotting caused by the vaccine is the reason for some or most of the infrequent death or not, this now makes me to be afraid of taking any of the vaccine.
It is likely that certain groups of people are more likely to develop serious adverse reactions to the vaccine. There is some data that suggests that people who recently were infected with covid are at higher risk for some adverse reactions. If you currently have covid, the vaccine is not going to do anything for you, so you should probably not get the vaccine.

Overall, the risk of death from the vaccine is orders of magnitude lower than from the risk of death from covid, even among the healthy. There is also the risk you will get seriously sick from covid, while this risk is basically non-existent for the vaccine.

As previously mentioned, if too many people decline to get the vaccine, you will either need to get the vaccine or eventually get covid.   
legendary
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May 06, 2021, 03:00:23 PM
#20
This study (https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1005) looked at the rate of blood clots between the mRNA vaccines (Pfizer, Moderna) and COVID infections.
That latest data from the CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/safety-of-vaccines.html) also estimates the rate of blood clots with the "high risk" J&J vaccine.
Here are the numbers:

Pfizer/Moderna: 4.1 cases per million people
AstraZeneca: 5 cases per million people
J&J: 7 cases per million people
COVID: 39 cases per million people

Don't want a blood clot? Great! Get the vaccine. It reduces your risk of blood clots by between 80-90%!
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May 06, 2021, 01:51:01 PM
#19
the case of covid vaccines may have some exceptions, but they are not cases to create conspiracy theory
Hospitals and governments will prove that these death is natural and vaccine has no effect in this death by anyway but we don't know what is the reality so I don't want to take risk on my life as long as I don't fall sick and reaches severe stage of covid.
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May 06, 2021, 11:36:10 AM
#18
I had an electrician round to do some work in my house last week. He asked me if I’d had the vaccine, I said no & that I was hesitant to take it (I’m 34). He told me his friends wife had it, she’s 31, any way she went to hospital with severe abdominal pain, turns out she had a blood clot from the AstraZeneca jab & they had to operate & remove her large bowel. Quite terrible really, the thing is you can’t sue as these vaccines are experimental & the pharma companies who make them have no responsibility for any ill effects you suffer as a consequence of having it.

If you’re old &/or have pre-existing medical conditions then sure, take the jab.

If you’re relatively fit & healthy why risk it by having an experimental vaccine? This vaccine was rushed, I don’t trust it.
Vaccines take decades to master, why on earth risk it if corona virus isn’t likely to kill you?

I’m far from an anti vaccine nut but a bit of risk assessment is a good idea. Weigh up the pros & cons, I’m 34, I am close to 100% certain my immune system will protect me against covid. I’m going to give the vaccine a miss for now.
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May 06, 2021, 11:30:48 AM
#17
I voted alive even though one of my favorite songs is White Zombie's Living Dead Girl.
I'm still getting paychecks so I'm assuming that I'm still alive?


I'll keep you posted...
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May 06, 2021, 11:03:53 AM
#16
It will really be interesting to know if the blood clotting caused by the vaccine is the reason for some or most of the infrequent death or not, this now makes me to be afraid of taking any of the vaccine.
Still vaccines can cause a death because recently 2 people who I know died due to blot clots in their arteries which happened just after they have been vaccinated
Or if created properly, I will not use it because it clots blood of few

I heard a story about someone who got suffocated by an airbag once, so I took all the airbags out of my car. You can never be too safe, ya know? I tried to do it to my neighbor's car too, but he called the cops on me. Seems like he's just a shill for BiG aIrBaG.
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May 06, 2021, 10:04:39 AM
#15
i am from africa and in my country since i was born i already had many vaccines:

1 - I had a vaccine against tetanus

2 - I got a flu vaccine

3 - I got a tuberculosis vaccine

4 - I got a measles vaccine

5 - I got a vaccine against iminigitis

here in my country it is mandatory that as soon as the person has just been born, he / she starts to be vaccinated and follows a strict vaccination schedule

and I never heard of cases of death because of these vaccines, the case of covid vaccines may have some exceptions, but they are not cases to create conspiracy theory
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May 06, 2021, 09:56:47 AM
#14
I would imagine that there's a considerable overlap between those who think that vaccines kill people, and those who think that the vaccine implants a Bill Gates 5G chip that turns you into a zombie.

Exactly. If I were to take the shit I read on this board seriously, I must be a zombie.

It will really be interesting to know if the blood clotting caused by the vaccine is the reason for some or most of the infrequent death or not, this now makes me to be afraid of taking any of the vaccine.

The chance of dying from blood clots caused by the vaccine is much lower than the chance of same happening from getting sick with COVID-19, which you very likely will get sick with, or pretty much any other everyday risk. Like orders of magnitude lower. Or get a different vaccine if that concerns you.

But this wouldn't be the first time that people on a Bitcoin forum - who presumably trust their wealth to probabilities - don't actually have a clue of how probabilities work.
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May 06, 2021, 09:39:20 AM
#13
It should be obvious how vaccines were and are today. People die depending on the vaccines they took and the carelessness of the people in charge of administering those vaccines to them (not following age limit for vaccines or health checks before vaccination as to whether the person is in a good shape or healthy enough to undergo covid-19 vaccination). Nowadays, it isn't that frightening anymore to take vaccines since the people who create and administer these vaccines have already learned a lot from the past mistakes and so I believe that it is already possible for a minimal to no risk vaccination on most parts of the world.
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May 06, 2021, 07:39:56 AM
#12
Inspired by our dear P&S celebrity BADecker:

The vaccines kill, and the deaths are being hidden.

I must say I have some doubts about this statement. Let's have a quick vote and set the record straight. Obviously only vaccinated people can vote because we can trust only first-hand experiences. So if you have been vaccinated please let us know if you're still alive or not.


Unfortunately I can't answer the pool because I am not yet vaccinated. But everybody I know who got vaccinated is still alive. In my country there are around 10-15 million vaccinated people and the death from vaccines are below 10 I think. Also it seems impossible to hide if someone dies from the vaccine. If a young person in your family dies you want to know why, there will be an inquiry and the family will not be silent about it.
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May 06, 2021, 05:17:44 AM
#11
Inspired by our dear P&S celebrity BADecker:

The vaccines kill, and the deaths are being hidden.

I must say I have some doubts about this statement. Let's have a quick vote and set the record straight. Obviously only vaccinated people can vote because we can trust only first-hand experiences. So if you have been vaccinated please let us know if you're still alive or not.


@suchmoon the answer to your question is yes people did die after taking the vaccine, and the latest example was J&@J vaccine, however do note that many have survived too. Also so far I have seen many people take vaccine around me, and luckily they all have survived however few caught covid (after second dose) which got me scared about taking the vaccine, but as I said before once Novavax comes I’ll take it and if this thread is yet around I’ll let you know that I survived  Grin.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/13/us/politics/johnson-johnson-vaccine-blood-clots-fda-cdc.html
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