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Quote from: JollyGood on August 05, 2024, 04:30:52 PM

Here is a report where a promoter is asking for the winner of the Fury vs Usyk rematch to fight Martin Bakole (who has a 21-1 record). I think it was more of a publicity stunt in the hope of people talking about him even though he won his fight with a strong show against Anderson on Saturday:

We do not know who the number one contender and mandatory challenger will be after Fury and Usyk meet in December but I think there are far more chances of the winner of this fight meeting the winner of the Dubois vs Joshua fight in 2025.

Bakole was very impressive this past weekend. He showed that he has very heavy hands and beat a highly touted undefeated prospect. His name is now in the mix alongside Parker, Zhang, and Kabayel as one of those guys who is on the verge of challenging for a world title. He is very similar to Zhang because he is slow and doesn’t throw many punches. With his power he is capable of knocking anybody out, but his skills are not enough to win a decision against Usyk or Fury if it went the distance.

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Here is a report where a promoter is asking for the winner of the Fury vs Usyk rematch to fight Martin Bakole (who has a 21-1 record). I think it was more of a publicity stunt in the hope of people talking about him even though he won his fight with a strong show against Anderson on Saturday:

We do not know who the number one contender and mandatory challenger will be after Fury and Usyk meet in December but I think there are far more chances of the winner of this fight meeting the winner of the Dubois vs Joshua fight in 2025.

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Fury definitely prepared much better for the fight against Usyk than he did with Ngannou. It semed as though he literally walked in to that fight thinking he was going to win in the first minutes and take the mic at centre ring to tell the world he was going to destroy Usyk. What happened against Ngannou should have taught Fury a lesson to take the next fight seriously and he did but he ended up losing on the judges scorecard.

Usyk is a brilliant fighter that adjusts his style depending on the opponent therefore I expect him to challenge Fury all the way. What will probably be different for the rematch is Fury being more determined to level the score. It will probably be another close fight and that makes it better for the fans Grin

Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on July 21, 2024, 11:50:09 PM

After the close call he had with Ngannou, I think Fury prepared much better and took the Usyk fight seriously. He was clearly in much better shape. Mentally though, he might not have been expected a small guy to be so tough and be able to hurt him the way he did. His lifestyle and the wear and tear from being in some brutal wars have also caught up to him and magnified his vulnerabilities.

The fight was still very close despite Fury almost being knocked out. It shows that Usyk also has vulnerabilities that can be exploited. When Fury used his size advantage effectively, he was battering Usyk for several rounds.

I expect for the rematch to also be a very close and competitive fight. If Fury can tighten up his defense and improve his physical condition a bit more he can pull off a win. Usyk’s strategy worked in the first fight, so I expect him to do more of the same. He will avoid clinches and pick the right moments to be more aggressive.

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Quote from: South Park on July 21, 2024, 02:58:37 PM

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Personally, I think the fight came to fruition a few years late. If Fury and Usyk had met immediately after Usyk defeated Joshua the first time, it would have been far better for the boxers and fans. As the rematch clause was inserted which led to Usyk and Joshua fighting again, a fight should have been planned for Usyk to meet Fury immediately after that.

When they met in the unification fight, they both seemed well past their best. It is difficult to see how they will perform in their rematch in December but imagine if they had fought when they were 2 -3 years younger.

Whenever there is a delay of that kind, most of the time this means the promoters are at fault as they are playing their games to try to get more money, which is their job but it is not as if fans have to like it since they are often the reason the big fights we all want to see get delayed or do not happen at all

Promoters may be at fault at times, but the boxers may as well, no one can force them. Specifically for the drama around the matches of Fury, Usyk and Joshua, you can't blame the promoter but Fury. The guy was difficult then and wasn't sincere with his words. If you heard him speak a thing today, you would hear him speaking another the next day, it was as if the Joshua side was practically begging him to fight. For what? This frustrated the whole episode. I even thought that the fight between him and Joshua would happen before him and Usyk, but for reasons known to him, he seemed to be ignoring Joshua, only to engage in social media rants as usual.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on July 20, 2024, 07:59:35 AM

I think it’ll be closer than the poll suggests although I do accept Usyk is the favourite. I think Fury was underprepared and unmotivated for the first fight. I think he may even have underestimated Usyk and gone into it complacent, expecting an easy win.

The second fight should be better and I expect a fully focused, committed Fury eager to avenge the loss and win his belts back.

After the close call he had with Ngannou, I think Fury prepared much better and took the Usyk fight seriously. He was clearly in much better shape. Mentally though, he might not have been expected a small guy to be so tough and be able to hurt him the way he did. His lifestyle and the wear and tear from being in some brutal wars have also caught up to him and magnified his vulnerabilities.

The fight was still very close despite Fury almost being knocked out. It shows that Usyk also has vulnerabilities that can be exploited. When Fury used his size advantage effectively, he was battering Usyk for several rounds.

I expect for the rematch to also be a very close and competitive fight. If Fury can tighten up his defense and improve his physical condition a bit more he can pull off a win. Usyk’s strategy worked in the first fight, so I expect him to do more of the same. He will avoid clinches and pick the right moments to be more aggressive.

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The first time they were close to signing the deal, it was supposed to be very close and the blame was being directed towards Fury for failing to get the deal sealed. I cannot recall properly but I think the first attempt fell through because Fury wanted a much larger chunk of the fight purse as he was the WBC champion. Usyk of course held all the other belts but Fury was insisting on a totally uneven purse split.

Now it will be about legacy, egos, reputation and history because the percentage of fight purse split was agreed in the rematch clause in the original contract. For some reason I am beginning to believe more than before that Fury will win but there will not be a trilogy. Fury will go on to fight the winner of the IBF title fight between champion Dubois and Joshua. I am expecting Fury to fight Dubois for another heavyweight unification fight in 2025 and then he will retire. If Usyk defeats Fury he will have his own unification fight next year with either Dubois or Joshua and it could mean Fury taking retirement.

Quote from: South Park on July 21, 2024, 02:58:37 PM

Whenever there is a delay of that kind, most of the time this means the promoters are at fault as they are playing their games to try to get more money, which is their job but it is not as if fans have to like it since they are often the reason the big fights we all want to see get delayed or do not happen at all, still despite the delay at least we will get to see them fighting for a second time, and if Fury were to win we may even get a trilogy out of it, which is not that bad.

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Quote from: JollyGood on July 20, 2024, 07:53:25 AM

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Personally, I think the fight came to fruition a few years late. If Fury and Usyk had met immediately after Usyk defeated Joshua the first time, it would have been far better for the boxers and fans. As the rematch clause was inserted which led to Usyk and Joshua fighting again, a fight should have been planned for Usyk to meet Fury immediately after that.

When they met in the unification fight, they both seemed well past their best. It is difficult to see how they will perform in their rematch in December but imagine if they had fought when they were 2 -3 years younger.

Whenever there is a delay of that kind, most of the time this means the promoters are at fault as they are playing their games to try to get more money, which is their job but it is not as if fans have to like it since they are often the reason the big fights we all want to see get delayed or do not happen at all, still despite the delay at least we will get to see them fighting for a second time, and if Fury were to win we may even get a trilogy out of it, which is not that bad.

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When you look back at the way Fury dismantled everything Wilder threw at him over their trilogy, you know Fury has the tools to defeat Usyk. Without doubt there were parts in that trilogy where Wilder had opportunities and Fury was hurt but overall Fury deserved to win all the fights (even though the first was awarded as a dubious and debated draw).

Maybe you are right, Fury could have gone in to that fight expecting to win and that could have affected his training regime. Maybe the loss will give him the motivation he needs to win the titles back and then not bother with a Fury vs Usyk trilogy and instead focus on a unification fight with the winner from the Joshua vs Dubois fight (as Dubois is the IBF heavyweight champion).

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on July 20, 2024, 07:59:35 AM

I think it’ll be closer than the poll suggests although I do accept Usyk is the favourite. I think Fury was underprepared and unmotivated for the first fight. I think he may even have underestimated Usyk and gone into it complacent, expecting an easy win.

The second fight should be better and I expect a fully focused, committed Fury eager to avenge the loss and win his belts back.

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Quote from: JollyGood on July 20, 2024, 07:53:25 AM

The poll is in favour of Usyk by a wide margin. Right now it shows Usyk:13 and Fury:5 and Draw:1

Personally, I think the fight came to fruition a few years late. If Fury and Usyk had met immediately after Usyk defeated Joshua the first time, it would have been far better for the boxers and fans. As the rematch clause was inserted which led to Usyk and Joshua fighting again, a fight should have been planned for Usyk to meet Fury immediately after that.

When they met in the unification fight, they both seemed well past their best. It is difficult to see how they will perform in their rematch in December but imagine if they had fought when they were 2 -3 years younger.

I think it’ll be closer than the poll suggests although I do accept Usyk is the favourite. I think Fury was underprepared and unmotivated for the first fight. I think he may even have underestimated Usyk and gone into it complacent, expecting an easy win.

The second fight should be better and I expect a fully focused, committed Fury eager to avenge the loss and win his belts back.

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The poll is in favour of Usyk by a wide margin. Right now it shows Usyk:13 and Fury:5 and Draw:1

Personally, I think the fight came to fruition a few years late. If Fury and Usyk had met immediately after Usyk defeated Joshua the first time, it would have been far better for the boxers and fans. As the rematch clause was inserted which led to Usyk and Joshua fighting again, a fight should have been planned for Usyk to meet Fury immediately after that.

When they met in the unification fight, they both seemed well past their best. It is difficult to see how they will perform in their rematch in December but imagine if they had fought when they were 2 -3 years younger.

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If they faced each other in a scenario that saw Dubois beat Joshua and Usyk beat Fury, my opinion on their unification fight would be based on their manner of their respective wins. Other than that, I absolutely agree, on current form without a doubt if Dubois and Usyk faced each other today I think Usyk would win (probably by virtue of the judges scorecards).

As for that punch, it really was difficult to understand how Usyk reacted to it. He was definitely hurt but as you rightly pointed out, Dubois did not manage to finish off Usyk and instead it was Usyk that showed his true talent and calibre to turn the tables and win the fight.

Both Usyk and Fury will be watching the Joshua vs Dubois fight either at ringside or on television as one of them will be facing the winner next year. I wonder what they will be thinking when the fight ends and the winner in known.

Quote from: hilariousetc on July 13, 2024, 06:26:19 AM

It's 50/50 for me but only Usyk will know the ultimate truth and everything else is speculation and wishful thinking. I've never seen anyone go down like that from a body shot and the way Usyk reacted it was more like he'd been hit in the bladder or balls to be honest. People don't tend to shake from a body shot either but they can with a brutal hit in the groin. During the fight I did think it was a genuine body shot, but on replays it's 50/50 and ultimately depends on the ref's instructions. Either way and at the end of the day, Dubois failed to capitalise on it and should have gone in for the kill but let Usyk recover and regain ground and ultimately beat him. I do think Dubois should get another shot at some point especially if he beats AJ but I would expect the same result.

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Quote from: JollyGood on July 12, 2024, 10:27:38 AM

Quote from: bbc.reporter on July 10, 2024, 11:55:05 PM

Are these pictures from similar minutes and seconds during the fight? If they are from the same time, I reckon picture on the bottom shows that it is on the beltline because it is the best angle from where everyone can see that the boxing gloves of Daniel Dubios has touched the midsection of Usyk.

It is supposed to be the same punch at the same time from different television camera angles without any time between them.

Quote from: hilariousetc on July 12, 2024, 08:45:30 AM

Low blows can also lift the crotch cup up which can add further injury and may be what actually caused Usyk so much pain and discomfort as Usyk's reaction was more like he'd been hit in the balls.

If you watch the fight again you will see there are a substantial number of punches that Dubois threw in the same area on the belt after that punch yet Usyk did not fall to the floor in agony nor complain about it being a low blow.

It is possible Dubois caught Usyk with a fair punch that he did not expect therefore he went down in agony, I am not going to dismiss that possibility. Usyk said it was low, the referee said it was and that is what matters. I think Dubois deserves another opportunity in the ring with Usyk but for that to happen he must defeat Joshua in September and then Usyk must defeat Fury. The results of both fights are going to be very close to call (though for many Usyk and Joshua will win their respective bouts).

It's 50/50 for me but only Usyk will know the ultimate truth and everything else is speculation and wishful thinking. I've never seen anyone go down like that from a body shot and the way Usyk reacted it was more like he'd been hit in the bladder or balls to be honest. People don't tend to shake from a body shot either but they can with a brutal hit in the groin. During the fight I did think it was a genuine body shot, but on replays it's 50/50 and ultimately depends on the ref's instructions. Either way and at the end of the day, Dubois failed to capitalise on it and should have gone in for the kill but let Usyk recover and regain ground and ultimately beat him. I do think Dubois should get another shot at some point especially if he beats AJ but I would expect the same result.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on July 10, 2024, 11:55:05 PM

Are these pictures from similar minutes and seconds during the fight? If they are from the same time, I reckon picture on the bottom shows that it is on the beltline because it is the best angle from where everyone can see that the boxing gloves of Daniel Dubios has touched the midsection of Usyk.

It is supposed to be the same punch at the same time from different television camera angles without any time between them.

Quote from: hilariousetc on July 12, 2024, 08:45:30 AM

Low blows can also lift the crotch cup up which can add further injury and may be what actually caused Usyk so much pain and discomfort as Usyk's reaction was more like he'd been hit in the balls.

If you watch the fight again you will see there are a substantial number of punches that Dubois threw in the same area on the belt after that punch yet Usyk did not fall to the floor in agony nor complain about it being a low blow.

It is possible Dubois caught Usyk with a fair punch that he did not expect therefore he went down in agony, I am not going to dismiss that possibility. Usyk said it was low, the referee said it was and that is what matters. I think Dubois deserves another opportunity in the ring with Usyk but for that to happen he must defeat Joshua in September and then Usyk must defeat Fury. The results of both fights are going to be very close to call (though for many Usyk and Joshua will win their respective bouts).

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Quote from: JollyGood on July 10, 2024, 09:37:57 AM

When you look at that punch from various angles and contemplate it could have changed the course of heavyweight boxing history, does it really look as though Usyk should have gone down on the canvas in agony to the point his right arm was shaking uncontrollably? Clearly he was caught out by the punch but was any part of considered below the belt? I think the fair outcome should have been a rematch regardless of who won the fight in the end but Usyk recovered to win the fight and the rest is history.

Dubois will probably get the rematch if he wins against AJ but I don't think he will so it'll likely be the Usyk/AJ trilogy. Then again, I didn't think Dubois would beat Hrgovic either but he did. As for the low blow, if we go by the rules that the ref said before the fight the beltline is a low blow. You can be a bit deceptive with the pictures as well depending on when and where you capture them. Dubois' punch came from below and was rising up so probably caught him in the bladder or near enough and most pictures are taken at the end of the trajectory of the punch. Low blows can also lift the crotch cup up which can add further injury and may be what actually caused Usyk so much pain and discomfort as Usyk's reaction was more like he'd been hit in the balls.

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Quote from: JollyGood on July 10, 2024, 09:37:57 AM

Are these pictures from similar minutes and seconds during the fight? If they are from the same time, I reckon picture on the bottom shows that it is on the beltline because it is the best angle from where everyone can see that the boxing gloves of Daniel Dubios has touched the midsection of Usyk.

Similar to what I have mentioned before, this appears to have given Usyk a big profusion of low bowel movement. It would be headshaking if there was something brown that appeared on the back of his shortpants hehehe.

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When you look at that punch from various angles and contemplate it could have changed the course of heavyweight boxing history, does it really look as though Usyk should have gone down on the canvas in agony to the point his right arm was shaking uncontrollably? Clearly he was caught out by the punch but was any part of considered below the belt? I think the fair outcome should have been a rematch regardless of who won the fight in the end but Usyk recovered to win the fight and the rest is history.

Quote from: TopTort777 on July 10, 2024, 05:14:44 AM

Quite a strange tactics trying to knockout Usyk. I dont remember anyone ever been close to that. Only that low blow from Dubois showed that Usyk is still a human and something might go not as planned. I think only Beterbiev during their amateur career managed to force ref to start counting for Usyk. And even then it wasnt a clear punch, but looked more like a punch to the back.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on July 10, 2024, 05:14:44 AM

Quite a strange tactics trying to knockout Usyk. I dont remember anyone ever been close to that. Only that low blow from Dubois showed that Usyk is still a human and something might go not as planned. I think only Beterbiev during their amateur career managed to force ref to start counting for Usyk. And even then it wasnt a clear punch, but looked more like a punch to the back.

Timing is very important and Fury is good with timing. He is not known to be a KO artist but rather a technical fight, so he should use that on their rematch as he really need to win via points. Usyk is short, therefore Fury should take advantage on that, I think he almost win during their first fight but he was careless in some rounds, just like when Fury fought Ngannou, he was careless in some rounds, good thing he still won via split decision. I think in this rematch, Fury would be smarter, he'll be clever and will try to even the score after this fight so they can bring a trilogy.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on July 10, 2024, 05:14:44 AM

Quite a strange tactics trying to knockout Usyk. I dont remember anyone ever been close to that. Only that low blow from Dubois showed that Usyk is still a human and something might go not as planned. I think only Beterbiev during their amateur career managed to force ref to start counting for Usyk. And even then it wasnt a clear punch, but looked more like a punch to the back.

I think Fury might go with it, looking for a knockout, but it should be a perfect hit before Usyk can go down from that punch. As you have said, Usyk chin is not yet broken, but we all know that everyone is vulnerable, that one shot that you didn't expect, and that might clip you for good.

However, he shouldn't force himself to look for the knockout, if it presents itself then good, if not try to out box Usyk and uses his physical attributes. The adjustment here is really on Fury and I think he can make the some corrections to force a trilogy.

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Quite a strange tactics trying to knockout Usyk. I dont remember anyone ever been close to that. Only that low blow from Dubois showed that Usyk is still a human and something might go not as planned. I think only Beterbiev during their amateur career managed to force ref to start counting for Usyk. And even then it wasnt a clear punch, but looked more like a punch to the back.

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He has defeated Fury once therefore Usyk knows he can do it again but if he does underestimate Fury or does allow for complacency to set in, it could be the end of the fight inflicting a first professional defeat for Usyk. I think both boxers probably will want to avoid a long gruelling battle heading towards twelve rounds even they would have trained for that outcome. Both know they are capable of winning by knockout and I am sure they will go for it.

Quote from: bbc.reporter on July 10, 2024, 12:25:27 AM

But what might cause a loss for Usyk might be the underestimation on Tyson Fury because Fury might put more fat and size for this rematch and the tactic might not be to box against Usyk, it will be to find the knockout quickly during the rounds 1 to 5.

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