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Quote from: JollyGood on November 22, 2024, 04:16:43 PM

No doubt about it, if you took Wilder at his peak and Usyk at his peak, Fury was always going to get up close and personal with Wilder to tire him out by using his body weight as leverage. Usyk just never gave Fury many opportunities to try that with him whereas Wilder could not stop him.

Having said that, Wilder used so many excuses for his losses I lost count. If I recall correctly, he put his losses down to his heavy costume and his trainer throwing the towel. Regardless of who wins the rematch, I doubt they will seek to blame others and will probably accept it.

Quote from: hilariousetc on November 22, 2024, 02:48:13 PM

Leaning does take a lot of energy out of you as you have to use your energy to hold your opponent up. Too bad for Fury that Uysk is too smart to even get himself into that position. Once he sensed Fury was doing it he just stepped to the side or used his arms to prevent Fury from locking him into it.

Wilder is just a sore loser. I think knocking out all those bums went to his head and he thought he was invincible. The third Fury fight was probably one of my favourite fights I've seen live though to be fair. Very exciting and everything you want from a heavyweight boxing fight. Rumours are AJ will fight Wilder next which wouldn't be a bad fight for both of them, though if AJ loses his stock goes down massively.

Quote from: bbc.reporter on November 22, 2024, 09:30:19 PM

In any case, is Sugar Hill still the trainer of Tyson Fury? I reckon that they will learn from their mistakes on the previous fight and the rematch will be a very much leaning Fury on Usyk hehehehe. I predict Fury to win this rematch!

Yeah I believe he is. I think he should switch up trainers though.

Quote from: Dave1 on November 23, 2024, 03:55:45 AM

So the question is what strategy will Fury uses in the rematch when his old and effective leaning is not working on Usyk the first time?

I think he will try something different but he would be wise to state the opposite so Usyk can't plan for anything new. I would be very surprised if Fury just tries the same gameplan as last time as why would the result be any different unless he gets lucky.

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Quote from: Dave1 on November 23, 2024, 03:55:45 AM

He did try to used that as a tactics, but Usyk is wise enough to get out when Fury uses this tactics. But I do agree, it could be that Fury has the most effective offense on Usyk so far but it didn't do enough though.

And probably that is the big difference, Usyk is too good, his boxing IQ is superior when we thought that Fury has one of the best in the division already. But he was able to outwitted him and it seems that he is one step ahead.

Usyk definitely out thought Fury on the night, he was prepared for everything Fury was throwing at him including the middle rounds where Fury was the dominant boxer. What I saw in that fight was a different Fury because if he had the same mindset as he did when he fought Wilder, I believe he would have beaten Usyk. In my opinion Usyk fighting at his maximum level but Fury was a gear or two down. In the rematch there is no space for Usyk to increase in any capacity but Fury can step up (though we do not know if he will or if Usyk will allow it).

Quote from: Dave1 on November 23, 2024, 03:55:45 AM

So the question is what strategy will Fury uses in the rematch when his old and effective leaning is not working on Usyk the first time?

Fury is an shrewd and intelligent man, he would never give away anything regarding tactics when it comes to a career defining fight such as this one against Usyk. I want to reiterate my previous opinion, I think Fury will win this fight and there will not be a need to have a trilogy with them settling for a win each. Fury will then go on to fight Dubois for a unification fight or he will retire.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on November 22, 2024, 02:48:13 PM

Leaning does take a lot of energy out of you as you have to use your energy to hold your opponent up. Too bad for Fury that Uysk is too smart to even get himself into that position. Once he sensed Fury was doing it he just stepped to the side or used his arms to prevent Fury from locking him into it.

On their fight, I reckon Tyson Fury still has made the most effective offensive attacks on Usyk compared to all if the boxers that he has fought before. However on the argument that Usyk stepped on the side, it can also be argued that Tyson Fury did not try to use his leaning tactic very much if we compare this to Fury's rematch against Wilder.

In any case, is Sugar Hill still the trainer of Tyson Fury? I reckon that they will learn from their mistakes on the previous fight and the rematch will be a very much leaning Fury on Usyk hehehehe. I predict Fury to win this rematch!

He did try to used that as a tactics, but Usyk is wise enough to get out when Fury uses this tactics. But I do agree, it could be that Fury has the most effective offense on Usyk so far but it didn't do enough though.

And probably that is the big difference, Usyk is too good, his boxing IQ is superior when we thought that Fury has one of the best in the division already. But he was able to outwitted him and it seems that he is one step ahead.

So the question is what strategy will Fury uses in the rematch when his old and effective leaning is not working on Usyk the first time?

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Quote from: hilariousetc on November 22, 2024, 02:48:13 PM

Leaning does take a lot of energy out of you as you have to use your energy to hold your opponent up. Too bad for Fury that Uysk is too smart to even get himself into that position. Once he sensed Fury was doing it he just stepped to the side or used his arms to prevent Fury from locking him into it.

On their fight, I reckon Tyson Fury still has made the most effective offensive attacks on Usyk compared to all if the boxers that he has fought before. However on the argument that Usyk stepped on the side, it can also be argued that Tyson Fury did not try to use his leaning tactic very much if we compare this to Fury's rematch against Wilder.

In any case, is Sugar Hill still the trainer of Tyson Fury? I reckon that they will learn from their mistakes on the previous fight and the rematch will be a very much leaning Fury on Usyk hehehehe. I predict Fury to win this rematch!

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No doubt about it, if you took Wilder at his peak and Usyk at his peak, Fury was always going to get up close and personal with Wilder to tire him out by using his body weight as leverage. Usyk just never gave Fury many opportunities to try that with him whereas Wilder could not stop him.

Having said that, Wilder used so many excuses for his losses I lost count. If I recall correctly, he put his losses down to his heavy costume and his trainer throwing the towel. Regardless of who wins the rematch, I doubt they will seek to blame others and will probably accept it.

Quote from: hilariousetc on November 22, 2024, 02:48:13 PM

Leaning does take a lot of energy out of you as you have to use your energy to hold your opponent up. Too bad for Fury that Uysk is too smart to even get himself into that position. Once he sensed Fury was doing it he just stepped to the side or used his arms to prevent Fury from locking him into it.

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Quote from: Kemarit on November 17, 2024, 11:46:39 AM

Just probably like the same fight as before? If I'm not mistaken, we have question it as there are no promotions whatsoever, until the last week or so wherein there was a massive commercial and then everyone was very hype on this fight.

But let's see, for me this is already a go, maybe they are just silent about, but in the background, I lot of works have been done already. I'm also one of those who question why Fury didn't uses his weight and put it on Usyk, like he did against Wilder. But the answer is that he did try, but Usyk is wise about it

I remember Wilder stating in an interview that he lost a lot of energy in the ring when Fury was leaning on him against the ropes and that was a tactic missing from Fury when in his bout against Usyk. Part of the reason was because Usyk did not allow Fury to close the gap between them that often but Fury should have persisted. Usyk deserves credit for not letting Fury dominate the fight but I doubt he will be able to dictate the rematch.

Leaning does take a lot of energy out of you as you have to use your energy to hold your opponent up. Too bad for Fury that Uysk is too smart to even get himself into that position. Once he sensed Fury was doing it he just stepped to the side or used his arms to prevent Fury from locking him into it.

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Quote from: JollyGood on November 17, 2024, 01:33:08 PM

Quote from: Kemarit on November 17, 2024, 11:46:39 AM

Just probably like the same fight as before? If I'm not mistaken, we have question it as there are no promotions whatsoever, until the last week or so wherein there was a massive commercial and then everyone was very hype on this fight.

But let's see, for me this is already a go, maybe they are just silent about, but in the background, I lot of works have been done already. I'm also one of those who question why Fury didn't uses his weight and put it on Usyk, like he did against Wilder. But the answer is that he did try, but Usyk is wise about it

I remember Wilder stating in an interview that he lost a lot of energy in the ring when Fury was leaning on him against the ropes and that was a tactic missing from Fury when in his bout against Usyk. Part of the reason was because Usyk did not allow Fury to close the gap between them that often but Fury should have persisted. Usyk deserves credit for not letting Fury dominate the fight but I doubt he will be able to dictate the rematch.

Yes, as fans of the HW division, we all know that Fury's tactic here against Usyk, and it's really very successful until Usyk spacing and his speed as well and boxing IQ negate that Fury's strategy on putting all his weight on his opponent, and we can say that the exposed Fury that night. Even Fury's so called technical skills was missing in their first fight. Usyk was able to beat him in punch despite the shorter one and Fury wasn't able to established his height and weight difference.

So let's see in the rematch, maybe Fury will used another strategy, or try to impose his will again as he say that Usyk someone knows what he gonna do. But still though, with that physical advantage, Fury can leverage it in this fight. He just have to out think Usyk in this second fight.

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Quote from: Kemarit on November 17, 2024, 11:46:39 AM

Just probably like the same fight as before? If I'm not mistaken, we have question it as there are no promotions whatsoever, until the last week or so wherein there was a massive commercial and then everyone was very hype on this fight.

But let's see, for me this is already a go, maybe they are just silent about, but in the background, I lot of works have been done already. I'm also one of those who question why Fury didn't uses his weight and put it on Usyk, like he did against Wilder. But the answer is that he did try, but Usyk is wise about it

I remember Wilder stating in an interview that he lost a lot of energy in the ring when Fury was leaning on him against the ropes and that was a tactic missing from Fury when in his bout against Usyk. Part of the reason was because Usyk did not allow Fury to close the gap between them that often but Fury should have persisted. Usyk deserves credit for not letting Fury dominate the fight but I doubt he will be able to dictate the rematch.

Quote from: Kemarit on November 17, 2024, 11:46:39 AM

Perhaps Dubois though is in the gym, preparing, I mean he should as any call that he could be the replacement of either of this fighter, then Dubois will be 100% ready.

He must be preparing for his IBF title defence but Dubois seems far more focused in cementing his position as undisputed heavyweight champion by setting up a fight with either Fury or Usyk next year. I am confident against Fury, Usyk or any other heavyweight that Dubois will win.

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Quote from: JollyGood on November 17, 2024, 10:43:31 AM

Considering the rematch takes place next month, there has been nothing of significance being mentioned about either Fury or Usyk recently except a report on Sky Sports. I doubt this will happen but according to them Dubois could fight both Fury and Usyk. I think that is stretching the imagination somewhat because a unification fight could take place with the winner of the Fury vs Usyk rematch (providing Dubois wins his IBF title fight in February 2025).

Just probably like the same fight as before? If I'm not mistaken, we have question it as there are no promotions whatsoever, until the last week or so wherein there was a massive commercial and then everyone was very hype on this fight.

But let's see, for me this is already a go, maybe they are just silent about, but in the background, I lot of works have been done already. I'm also one of those who question why Fury didn't uses his weight and put it on Usyk, like he did against Wilder. But the answer is that he did try, but Usyk is wise about it,

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Perhaps Dubois though is in the gym, preparing, I mean he should as any call that he could be the replacement of either of this fighter, then Dubois will be 100% ready.

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Considering the rematch takes place next month, there has been nothing of significance being mentioned about either Fury or Usyk recently except a report on Sky Sports. I doubt this will happen but according to them Dubois could fight both Fury and Usyk. I think that is stretching the imagination somewhat because a unification fight could take place with the winner of the Fury vs Usyk rematch (providing Dubois wins his IBF title fight in February 2025).

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Quote from: hilariousetc on November 13, 2024, 12:31:36 PM

Wilder has now come out and stated he was fighting with a broken arm for the past two fights. He loves his excuses. https://www.boxingnews24.com/2024/11/deontay-wilder-defiant-amidst-criticism-and-excuses/

I recall Wilder holding his right arm in one of the fights (second or third) in the trilogy with Fury, clearly there was a serious problem because he could unable to throw any meaningful punches towards the latter part of the fight when that happened. If his injuries carried on in subsequent fights then he should not never have entered the ring until/unless fully healed. He really should not be making excuses for what happened in the past when he could have taken steps to ensure he only participated in bouts when he was fully fit and able.

Quote from: TravelMug on November 14, 2024, 04:07:27 AM

He lost in the first fight, so the adjustment should be on Fury and not on Usyk. The fight is not going on his way, even way before the knockdown. As far as I know, Usyk has been dominating him but he makes no adjustment in the entire fight.

I am confident we will see a different Fury in the ring when he faces Usyk for the rematch. Fury will make all the adjustments he needs to because he will be boxing as though his reputation and whole legacy depended on it and he will probably win. Usyk had the heart and tactics to win the first fight but he will not be able to withstand what Fury will throw at him in the rematch.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on November 08, 2024, 06:13:58 PM

Quote from: hilariousetc on November 08, 2024, 07:18:19 AM

I don't think Usyk has to change anything. It's more about what Fury has to change. (...)

It's funny because Fury said, in a recent interview, that he will not change anything. He said that the fight was going his way except for that knockdown. If not for that, he would have won on the judges scorecards. So, according to himself, all he has to do is fight the same way but avoid knockdown(s).
To be fair, it kind of makes sense.

He lost in the first fight, so the adjustment should be on Fury and not on Usyk. The fight is not going on his way, even way before the knockdown. As far as I know, Usyk has been dominating him but he makes no adjustment in the entire fight.

Just weird though as he has a good boxing IQ, but I guess he could be really lost the mind games pre-fight against Usyk. Because everything he throws to intimidate Usyk or get into his skin, is not working. And now we have seen during their pre-fight in this rematch, Fury is not talking that much as he knows that no matter what trash talking he did, Usyk is not moved.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on November 08, 2024, 06:13:58 PM

Quote from: hilariousetc on November 08, 2024, 07:18:19 AM

I don't think Usyk has to change anything. It's more about what Fury has to change. (...)

It's funny because Fury said, in a recent interview, that he will not change anything. He said that the fight was going his way except for that knockdown. If not for that, he would have won on the judges scorecards. So, according to himself, all he has to do is fight the same way but avoid knockdown(s).
To be fair, it kind of makes sense.

I wouldn't believe anything Fury says. In fact, when he says something I usually assume the opposite. He'd be pretty silly to go into this fight the exact same way as the exact same outcome will likely be expected. I think it's more likely that Fury doesn't want to give his game plan away so Usyk can't adapt to it. That would be the smart thing to do. Fury surely knows he needs to at least try something different. Maybe he might put on more weight or maybe he should work on his cardio. Either way I don't think either option is enough to beat Usyk. Usyk is too smart and agile to let Fury try bully him with his weight and hugging etc and he's not going to outpace him with cardio or endurance as Usyk has him beat there. I did think Fury would try play dirty in the first fight but he didn't. Maybe he should try that or test the ref with blows as low as he can go with being legal. We all know Usyk doesn't like the body shots so he should probably concentrate on that and if he can weaken him there capitalise on that.

Quote from: JollyGood on November 08, 2024, 08:41:24 AM

Even with the stunning record Wilder had before he met Fury for the first time in their trilogy, he was definitely not technically gifted and most would agree with your analogy about Wilder having devastating knockout punches (his record prior to meeting Fury cannot be denied). There is simply no comparison between Wilder and Usyk based on boxing skills alone because Usyk is technically superior however when it comes to knockout power punches, Wilder was hitting much harder.

Fury probably said that because the history of his trilogy had meaning and he nearly got knocked out in the first fight. He was seconds away from losing it when he stood up and continued boxing. I thought Fury won the fight and was robbed of victory when it was awarded as a dubious draw.

Wilder has now come out and stated he was fighting with a broken arm for the past two fights. He loves his excuses. https://www.boxingnews24.com/2024/11/deontay-wilder-defiant-amidst-criticism-and-excuses/

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Quote from: hilariousetc on November 08, 2024, 07:18:19 AM

I don't think Usyk has to change anything. It's more about what Fury has to change. (...)

It's funny because Fury said, in a recent interview, that he will not change anything. He said that the fight was going his way except for that knockdown. If not for that, he would have won on the judges scorecards. So, according to himself, all he has to do is fight the same way but avoid knockdown(s).
To be fair, it kind of makes sense.

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Even with the stunning record Wilder had before he met Fury for the first time in their trilogy, he was definitely not technically gifted and most would agree with your analogy about Wilder having devastating knockout punches (his record prior to meeting Fury cannot be denied). There is simply no comparison between Wilder and Usyk based on boxing skills alone because Usyk is technically superior however when it comes to knockout power punches, Wilder was hitting much harder.

Fury probably said that because the history of his trilogy had meaning and he nearly got knocked out in the first fight. He was seconds away from losing it when he stood up and continued boxing. I thought Fury won the fight and was robbed of victory when it was awarded as a dubious draw.

Quote from: hilariousetc on November 08, 2024, 07:18:19 AM

I don't think it's an insult, though take what Fury says with a pinch of salt. There's no way that Wilder is a better boxer than Usyk but he probably hits harder. In fact, it's kinda widely accepted that Wilder is not a great boxer, he's just a very heavy hitter with devastating knockout power and put Fury down numerous times. Usyk nearly knocked Fury down but was saved by the ref with a standing count as it was the ropes held him up. I'm kinda hoping Usyk gets the KO this time so there's no complaining from Fury that he thought he won. Whilst Fury has recently come out and said he was beaten fair and square that wasn't what he was saying before.

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Quote from: JollyGood on October 31, 2024, 02:55:21 AM

Though it was to be expected at some stage, Fury seems to have thrown an insult towards Usyk by claiming Wilder was his toughest opponent. He also stated that he took many best shots thrown by Usyk and instead of hitting the canvas he smiled back at Usyk. I do not think he was intentionally putting Usyk down, there is an element of honesty about what he Fury mentioned. If this was an attempt at mind games, I doubt this will get Usyk to change tactics in the rematch: Manchester Evening News

I don't think it's an insult, though take what Fury says with a pinch of salt. There's no way that Wilder is a better boxer than Usyk but he probably hits harder. In fact, it's kinda widely accepted that Wilder is not a great boxer, he's just a very heavy hitter with devastating knockout power and put Fury down numerous times. Usyk nearly knocked Fury down but was saved by the ref with a standing count as it was the ropes held him up. I'm kinda hoping Usyk gets the KO this time so there's no complaining from Fury that he thought he won. Whilst Fury has recently come out and said he was beaten fair and square that wasn't what he was saying before.

Quote from: TopTort777 on October 31, 2024, 06:46:39 AM

What was Usyk tactics that he is not going to change? I though he has got only one single strategy during all boxing career. Since Anatoly Lomachenko tough him and Vasily one tactics of huge number of punches and leaving attack line, Usyk has been doing it all the time. He has left Anatoly and returned to him. Everyone knows what Usyk is going to do, yet few managed to find a counter strategy to it. Dont think that Usyk is planning to "invent bicycle again" and show us something new. Usyk is 37. Few more years and it is time to retire from boxing. Huge doubts that in the end of his career he will become different, like aiming for one punch knockout in every next fight.

I don't think Usyk has to change anything. It's more about what Fury has to change. I think Fury will probably try get a KO this time and apply more pressure this time. Maybe do what I thought he would in the first fight and try weigh Usyk down but Usyk was too smart for it and didn't let fury get on top of him but Fury needs to try bully him a little otherwise it'll be the same outcome.

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What was Usyk tactics that he is not going to change? I though he has got only one single strategy during all boxing career. Since Anatoly Lomachenko tough him and Vasily one tactics of huge number of punches and leaving attack line, Usyk has been doing it all the time. He has left Anatoly and returned to him. Everyone knows what Usyk is going to do, yet few managed to find a counter strategy to it. Dont think that Usyk is planning to "invent bicycle again" and show us something new. Usyk is 37. Few more years and it is time to retire from boxing. Huge doubts that in the end of his career he will become different, like aiming for one punch knockout in every next fight.

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Though it was to be expected at some stage, Fury seems to have thrown an insult towards Usyk by claiming Wilder was his toughest opponent. He also stated that he took many best shots thrown by Usyk and instead of hitting the canvas he smiled back at Usyk. I do not think he was intentionally putting Usyk down, there is an element of honesty about what he Fury mentioned. If this was an attempt at mind games, I doubt this will get Usyk to change tactics in the rematch: Manchester Evening News

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Quote from: pawel7777 on October 25, 2024, 05:57:56 PM

He's an honest guy, I can't deny him that and that's what makes him likeable and relatable. But, at the same time, he's not coming across as very stable, you can have a different version of Fury depending on the day and his mood. One day he's humble and respectable, the other time - quite the opposite. So I think it might be hard for him to get into the right mindset on the fight day. Plus, he was really proud about his undefeated status so that loss might have made a big dent in his morale.

He is knows for his so-called outbursts (and what I would call attention-seeking). Sometimes he strings sentences along that are full of profanities rgarding his opponent and on other occasions he seems calm and wants to get down to business in the ring. That was part of what made Fury a very likeable boxers and person but at the end of the day he needs to get that transferred in to the ring when he fights Usyk otherwise his career could be over after back to back defeats.

Quote from: pawel7777 on October 25, 2024, 05:57:56 PM

Attempting to play mind games didn't work out best for him the last time around, so he should just stay 100% on the fight preparation.

This time he does seem more focused on what he is saying, maybe he is focusing 100% on the fight preparation with less two months to go.

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Quote from: JollyGood on October 25, 2024, 01:03:53 PM

There is no doubt about the mind games Fury gets up to when it comes to giving press conferences and acting during the weigh-in and face off but there is also a genuine down to earth side of him too. When was supportive of Joshua (after Dubois beat him) and the kind words he said about Wilder when he himself beat him, it shows there is more to Fury than just trash talking.

He's an honest guy, I can't deny him that and that's what makes him likeable and relatable. But, at the same time, he's not coming across as very stable, you can have a different version of Fury depending on the day and his mood. One day he's humble and respectable, the other time - quite the opposite. So I think it might be hard for him to get into the right mindset on the fight day. Plus, he was really proud about his undefeated status so that loss might have made a big dent in his morale.

Quote from: Baofeng on October 25, 2024, 06:25:32 AM

(...) And it is better for him to really just focus himself if he wanted to get back and avenge his defeat in the hands of Usyk.

Agree. Attempting to play mind games didn't work out best for him the last time around, so he should just stay 100% on the fight preparation.

Current odds (per duelbits) are:
Usyk: x1.52
Fury: x2.40

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