Topic: [ POLL ] The Unification Fight: FURY vs USYK 17th FEBRUARY 2024 - page 3. (Read 4905 times)

Looks like Fury is planning to come in heavier: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-14136751/Tyson-Fury-figure-oleksandr-usyk.html


I think he wants it, but he will want the Fury fight more and it's a question of sinking further down the pecking order with a loss to Dubois again. The smart money move would be to wait to fight Fury which can easily be the next fight assuming Fury doesn't beat Usyk. Dubois is fighting earlier next year according to Warren and Hearn said AJ won't be ready by then. It could be BS or a stalling tactic as there's no reason why he couldn't be ready by then but the smart thing would be to wait for the Fury/Usyk outcome. He could be waiting a while though if Fury takes some damage or decides to take some time off so it could be late 2025 before we see them. Both may decide to take easier fights also but I think both fighters may just want the big money fights now given they're likely coming towards the end of their career and both will be out of line for belts etc. Maybe a tune up fight in the meantime but again that risks taking some damage or even worse if he loses. The money is there for this fight though so I'm sure it will happen at some point. AJ could redeem himself with a win over Dubois also but that's a huge ask. He did it against Ruiz so I think he can do it again, though Dubois is obviously far more dangerous that Ruiz. There's also no news on who Dubois will be fighting so maybe he's also waiting for the outcome of the Fury/Usyk fight and Dubois could rematch Usyk given the controversy in that. Usyk might want to get his belt back so it's a great opportunity for him.

The truth is if Joshua wanted a rematch he could have activated the clause by asking for it after Dubois beat him but he had to take a step back because the loss was absolutely shattering for him. He knows his career would be over the moment he gets beaten by Dubois again therefore avoided it. Why Hearn is still going on about it when the rematch clause has expired.

It seems Hearn wants to milk Joshua as much as he can before he retires therefore he is still making a lot of noise from time to time in the media in order to keep Joshua in the news. Hearn wishes that he could get Joshua to fight the winner of the Fury vs Usyk fight (or Fury is he loses) but that is simply not going to happen.

Eddie Hearn has recently said that AJ's next fight will likely either be Dubois rematch or Fury. I'm guessing it all depends on the Usyk outcome but he wants two Fury fights in 2025:

https://www.badlefthook.com/2024/11/26/24306872/eddie-hearn-looks-to-stage-tyson-fury-vs-anthony-joshua-in-2025-boxing-news-2024


Not sure if we need two given neither have the belts. Just do one and if it's a great/close fight people will want to see it again.

Well of course but how often do these huge fights happen in their prime. At least one party usually dodges them or is holding out for that huge payday that often never comes. We all wanted to see AJ/Fury at their peak but that time has past. The second best time is now. Both AJ and Wilder are looking for redemption so I think it's a decent fight for them both. They're still two huge names and I think it's still a risky fight, especially for AJ. If he loses then that's a huge crash for his career, but I don't think either party should retire just yet, especially AJ. People were praising AJ for his dominant performances against Helenius, Wallin and Ngannou and bouncing back from the two Uysk losses and now people want him to retire after the Dubois loss. Lets not forget Dubois was coming off a couple bad losses against Usyk and Joyce where many thought he quit and look where he is now as the IBF champion. Many were even calling for Dubois to retire but the boxing game and fans are fickle and it only takes one fight to change everything. If AJ gets a one or two good wins under his belt and maybe even beat Dubois in the rematch he'll be back in contention for the belts so don't write him off just yet. He came back against Ruiz and I think he can do it again.


I think the fight will very likely be Fury's next fight if he loses. It's still the biggest fight for both of them and arguably still one of the biggest fights in all of boxing so it makes sense for all parties involved. Turki has the cash for it too.

I think any Joshua vs Wilder fight would have been one most boxing fans would have been eager to see when they were both at their peak but they both seem well past their best and probably time for them to retire. Any fight involving either Parker or Zhang would be a bigger prospect than anything involving Wilder or Joshua and I feel Parker deserves his opportunity to contest for a title fight.

We agree if Fury wins he will not fight Joshua but I cannot see that fight going ahead even if loses. They had their chance to get in the ring but never took it and it looks as though it will not happen.

Agreed, however, on their previous fight, Tyson Fury has appeared to be not very much using his big size to cause his opponent Usyk to be tired. This is certainly why I speculate that Tyson Fury's plan A will be to lean more on Usyk and make him tired beginning on round 8 where Tyson Fury can begin to become the bully in the right hehehe.

What is the heaviest weight limit for heavyweight boxers? I predict Tyson Fury's weight will be near this limit. We will witness the fat Fury heheheheheh.

I don't think the title matters at all. It's still one of the biggest fights and given they're both on losses it's quite equal now in my opinion. In fact, I don't think I could call a winner and it's 50-50. If Fury wins he likely wouldn't fight AJ for the belt as he'll either do the trilogy with Usyk which would probably be deserved or have to fight another mandatory of which there are several prospects.



Leaner? I dunno. He doesn't seem to be any leaner right now and there's not long left until the fight. There's positives and negatives to being heavier but Tyson will now know he can't bully him with his weight so it might be a good idea to become fitter. Though with that being said, he doesn't seem to have an issue with stamina but Usyk is definitely the fittest of the two and keeps himself in fighting shape all year around whereas Tyson usually gets out of shape out of camp and maybe that's why Usyk is the better of the two..

Yes, and I guess it's the responsibility of the trainer itself to write down everything, not just plan A, but there could be plan B and plan C as well if the first plan didn't work or Usyk was able to offset it as he had one of the best IQ as well.

And then there is this motivation during the fight, we have seen great trainers somewhat put one inspiring words after another and then bring their boxer to the next level. Specially those on the brink of defeat then suddenly finding their second wind. So I expect Fury here to really make a lot of adjustments and perhaps win by judges scorecard. And stop with the leaning already, he can used it, but it should not be just their primary strategy here. Used his height and close the distance and not let Usyk beat him to the punch.

That final in the trilogy was something. Wilder definitely let his knockout record get to his head but every boxer at every weight would have thought the same. It was only until Fury dismantled him that we all realised the massive gulf between Wilder and Fury. It cannot be denied Wilder had a fantastic record before his trilogy with Fury.

Maybe the fans do not have an appetite for a Joshua vs Wilder fight if there is no title on the line, I certainly would not be looking forward to it. People would assume they were two failed boxers seeking a final lucrative deal.

You might be correct, however, this Tyson Fury with Sugar Hill has given Usyk his most greatest challenge in his career as a boxer. Also, from what Fury and Sugar Hill has learned from the previous fight, the trainer knows already what to change and what tactics to continue. If Tyson Fury will again lose this fight then he certainly should change his trainer.

I speculate that Tyson Fury will be more leaning similar to a MMA wrestler for this rematch and win this with a split decision heheheh.

Wilder is just a sore loser. I think knocking out all those bums went to his head and he thought he was invincible. The third Fury fight was probably one of my favourite fights I've seen live though to be fair. Very exciting and everything you want from a heavyweight boxing fight. Rumours are AJ will fight Wilder next which wouldn't be a bad fight for both of them, though if AJ loses his stock goes down massively.


Yeah I believe he is. I think he should switch up trainers though.



I think he will try something different but he would be wise to state the opposite so Usyk can't plan for anything new. I would be very surprised if Fury just tries the same gameplan as last time as why would the result be any different unless he gets lucky.

Usyk definitely out thought Fury on the night, he was prepared for everything Fury was throwing at him including the middle rounds where Fury was the dominant boxer. What I saw in that fight was a different Fury because if he had the same mindset as he did when he fought Wilder, I believe he would have beaten Usyk. In my opinion Usyk fighting at his maximum level but Fury was a gear or two down. In the rematch there is no space for Usyk to increase in any capacity but Fury can step up (though we do not know if he will or if Usyk will allow it).

Fury is an shrewd and intelligent man, he would never give away anything regarding tactics when it comes to a career defining fight such as this one against Usyk. I want to reiterate my previous opinion, I think Fury will win this fight and there will not be a need to have a trilogy with them settling for a win each. Fury will then go on to fight Dubois for a unification fight or he will retire.

He did try to used that as a tactics, but Usyk is wise enough to get out when Fury uses this tactics. But I do agree, it could be that Fury has the most effective offense on Usyk so far but it didn't do enough though.

And probably that is the big difference, Usyk is too good, his boxing IQ is superior when we thought that Fury has one of the best in the division already. But he was able to outwitted him and it seems that he is one step ahead.

So the question is what strategy will Fury uses in the rematch when his old and effective leaning is not working on Usyk the first time?

On their fight, I reckon Tyson Fury still has made the most effective offensive attacks on Usyk compared to all if the boxers that he has fought before. However on the argument that Usyk stepped on the side, it can also be argued that Tyson Fury did not try to use his leaning tactic very much if we compare this to Fury's rematch against Wilder.

In any case, is Sugar Hill still the trainer of Tyson Fury? I reckon that they will learn from their mistakes on the previous fight and the rematch will be a very much leaning Fury on Usyk hehehehe. I predict Fury to win this rematch!

No doubt about it, if you took Wilder at his peak and Usyk at his peak, Fury was always going to get up close and personal with Wilder to tire him out by using his body weight as leverage. Usyk just never gave Fury many opportunities to try that with him whereas Wilder could not stop him.

Having said that, Wilder used so many excuses for his losses I lost count. If I recall correctly, he put his losses down to his heavy costume and his trainer throwing the towel. Regardless of who wins the rematch, I doubt they will seek to blame others and will probably accept it.

New face off video: https://youtu.be/yzAH7HNKNEs?si=o4DsSojKqtxGlKOR


Leaning does take a lot of energy out of you as you have to use your energy to hold your opponent up. Too bad for Fury that Uysk is too smart to even get himself into that position. Once he sensed Fury was doing it he just stepped to the side or used his arms to prevent Fury from locking him into it.

Yes, as fans of the HW division, we all know that Fury's tactic here against Usyk, and it's really very successful until Usyk spacing and his speed as well and boxing IQ negate that Fury's strategy on putting all his weight on his opponent, and we can say that the exposed Fury that night. Even Fury's so called technical skills was missing in their first fight. Usyk was able to beat him in punch despite the shorter one and Fury wasn't able to established his height and weight difference.

So let's see in the rematch, maybe Fury will used another strategy, or try to impose his will again as he say that Usyk someone knows what he gonna do. But still though, with that physical advantage, Fury can leverage it in this fight. He just have to out think Usyk in this second fight.

I remember Wilder stating in an interview that he lost a lot of energy in the ring when Fury was leaning on him against the ropes and that was a tactic missing from Fury when in his bout against Usyk. Part of the reason was because Usyk did not allow Fury to close the gap between them that often but Fury should have persisted. Usyk deserves credit for not letting Fury dominate the fight but I doubt he will be able to dictate the rematch.

He must be preparing for his IBF title defence but Dubois seems far more focused in cementing his position as undisputed heavyweight champion by setting up a fight with either Fury or Usyk next year. I am confident against Fury, Usyk or any other heavyweight that Dubois will win.

Just probably like the same fight as before? If I'm not mistaken, we have question it as there are no promotions whatsoever, until the last week or so wherein there was a massive commercial and then everyone was very hype on this fight.

But let's see, for me this is already a go, maybe they are just silent about, but in the background, I lot of works have been done already. I'm also one of those who question why Fury didn't uses his weight and put it on Usyk, like he did against Wilder. But the answer is that he did try, but Usyk is wise about it,

https://x.com/OllRad/status/1792522168946905309

Perhaps Dubois though is in the gym, preparing, I mean he should as any call that he could be the replacement of either of this fighter, then Dubois will be 100% ready.

Considering the rematch takes place next month, there has been nothing of significance being mentioned about either Fury or Usyk recently except a report on Sky Sports. I doubt this will happen but according to them Dubois could fight both Fury and Usyk. I think that is stretching the imagination somewhat because a unification fight could take place with the winner of the Fury vs Usyk rematch (providing Dubois wins his IBF title fight in February 2025).