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There is no doubt about the mind games Fury gets up to when it comes to giving press conferences and acting during the weigh-in and face off but there is also a genuine down to earth side of him too. When was supportive of Joshua (after Dubois beat him) and the kind words he said about Wilder when he himself beat him, it shows there is more to Fury than just trash talking.



In the face off against Usyk, he even refused to look at him and instead looked at the crowd and that was the first time I have even known a boxer to not bother looking at his opponent  Grin

There is no doubt in the mind of Fury he will win the rematch and I believe he will beat Usyk too. If Fury fails to beat Usyk then I am convinced Dubois will knock him out if they meet in the ring again otherwise there will probably a Fury vs Usyk trilogy. Fury knows he needs to focus on the fight otherwise his career would probably be over.

It's really unusual indeed, but then again, this could be just one of those mental games that Fury wants to play again, so yeah, mind games for him and see how Usyk is going to react. Or he might have that confident again as he has said, that in rematch, he always won the fight and so he just play it lightly in this press conference.

And maybe he is trying to convince us boxing fans that he will really win the rematch here. So he doesn't want to clown and showboat before the fight. And it is better for him to really just focus himself if he wanted to get back and avenge his defeat in the hands of Usyk.
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Yeah, at the end of it, he tries to trickle Usyk and he is like as friendly, and we haven't seen him with his other opponents as he usually trash talk them. But still no reaction from Usyk, as you have said, cold as ice and that's what he was known though.

Probably Fury has settled down in the last couple of months, already admitted that he lost the fight and everything was wrong for him going into that first fight. So most likely he is changing strategy here, trying to be jovial. But this is just the initial press conference and maybe once the fight gets closer, he might start attacking Usyk again with verbal jabs.
I need to watch this before commenting but if it played out that way, it would be highly unusual for Fury to do that. It is probably another attempt at playing mind games. Maybe he will be the complete opposite at further promotions and at the weigh-in.

It's really unusual indeed, but then again, this could be just one of those mental games that Fury wants to play again, so yeah, mind games for him and see how Usyk is going to react. Or he might have that confident again as he has said, that in rematch, he always won the fight and so he just play it lightly in this press conference.

And maybe he is trying to convince us boxing fans that he will really win the rematch here. So he doesn't want to clown and showboat before the fight. And it is better for him to really just focus himself if he wanted to get back and avenge his defeat in the hands of Usyk.
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Press conference is underway.
I was preoccupied with many things therefore did not know about this until it was mentioned in this thread. I think some of it was most probably down to me being busy away from the forum but there had to be an element of fatigue attached to it. We have all been waiting for the rematch and while we wait some of us do manage to lose a little interest. In the finals days before the fight takes place things will probably be different  Grin

Yeah, at the end of it, he tries to trickle Usyk and he is like as friendly, and we haven't seen him with his other opponents as he usually trash talk them. But still no reaction from Usyk, as you have said, cold as ice and that's what he was known though.

Probably Fury has settled down in the last couple of months, already admitted that he lost the fight and everything was wrong for him going into that first fight. So most likely he is changing strategy here, trying to be jovial. But this is just the initial press conference and maybe once the fight gets closer, he might start attacking Usyk again with verbal jabs.
I need to watch this before commenting but if it played out that way, it would be highly unusual for Fury to do that. It is probably another attempt at playing mind games. Maybe he will be the complete opposite at further promotions and at the weigh-in.
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Press conference is underway. It's just the undercard right now before the main headliners. Will be interesting to see if Fury ups the ante with the trash talk or tries to make it physical. I think he probably knows by now he can't get into Uysk's head but maybe he might try make it personal or rough him up a little in the face off to try rattle him a little. One thing I did expect from the first fight was for Fury to try make it dirty and use his weight to his advantage by leaning and grabbing on Usyk but he didn't really but mostly because Usyk is too skilled to let him do it. When Fury went in for a clinch Usyk usually saw it coming and danced around him.

No trash talk from Fury that we are expecting, except maybe saying that the Whoever he faced in the more than once has been knocked out in the rematch, so let's see if this will still holds true against Usyk.

Usyk though, coming in with dressed as the Hitman from the video game is really very scary.



So let's see what strategy be Fury using, as you have said, he didn't do any dirty tricks like he did against Wilder wherein he pushes all his weight on him early and Wilder's energy was sapped. Or uses more jab against the shorter Usyk. It might be the Usyk is too intelligent for Fury and we might see the same results here.

I didn't even recognise Usyk at first. I was like who the hell is this guy and then I realised who it was. He looked completely different with the shaved head. As cold as ice. He had a few funny lines in the press conference as well. At least Tyson is admitting defeat now and said he was beaten fair and square. He wasn't saying that two to three months ago and was making out like he was robbed by the judges. Quite unspectacular as a press conference other than the Hitman bit though. I did think Fury would try something but aside from the attempted tickling he was pretty jovial and relaxed. Maybe he might ramp it up closer to the fight.

Yeah, at the end of it, he tries to trickle Usyk and he is like as friendly, and we haven't seen him with his other opponents as he usually trash talk them. But still no reaction from Usyk, as you have said, cold as ice and that's what he was known though.

Probably Fury has settled down in the last couple of months, already admitted that he lost the fight and everything was wrong for him going into that first fight. So most likely he is changing strategy here, trying to be jovial. But this is just the initial press conference and maybe once the fight gets closer, he might start attacking Usyk again with verbal jabs.
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Press conference is underway. It's just the undercard right now before the main headliners. Will be interesting to see if Fury ups the ante with the trash talk or tries to make it physical. I think he probably knows by now he can't get into Uysk's head but maybe he might try make it personal or rough him up a little in the face off to try rattle him a little. One thing I did expect from the first fight was for Fury to try make it dirty and use his weight to his advantage by leaning and grabbing on Usyk but he didn't really but mostly because Usyk is too skilled to let him do it. When Fury went in for a clinch Usyk usually saw it coming and danced around him.

No trash talk from Fury that we are expecting, except maybe saying that the Whoever he faced in the more than once has been knocked out in the rematch, so let's see if this will still holds true against Usyk.

Usyk though, coming in with dressed as the Hitman from the video game is really very scary.



So let's see what strategy be Fury using, as you have said, he didn't do any dirty tricks like he did against Wilder wherein he pushes all his weight on him early and Wilder's energy was sapped. Or uses more jab against the shorter Usyk. It might be the Usyk is too intelligent for Fury and we might see the same results here.

I didn't even recognise Usyk at first. I was like who the hell is this guy and then I realised who it was. He looked completely different with the shaved head. As cold as ice. He had a few funny lines in the press conference as well. At least Tyson is admitting defeat now and said he was beaten fair and square. He wasn't saying that two to three months ago and was making out like he was robbed by the judges. Quite unspectacular as a press conference other than the Hitman bit though. I did think Fury would try something but aside from the attempted tickling he was pretty jovial and relaxed. Maybe he might ramp it up closer to the fight.
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Press conference is underway. It's just the undercard right now before the main headliners. Will be interesting to see if Fury ups the ante with the trash talk or tries to make it physical. I think he probably knows by now he can't get into Uysk's head but maybe he might try make it personal or rough him up a little in the face off to try rattle him a little. One thing I did expect from the first fight was for Fury to try make it dirty and use his weight to his advantage by leaning and grabbing on Usyk but he didn't really but mostly because Usyk is too skilled to let him do it. When Fury went in for a clinch Usyk usually saw it coming and danced around him.

No trash talk from Fury that we are expecting, except maybe saying that the Whoever he faced in the more than once has been knocked out in the rematch, so let's see if this will still holds true against Usyk.

Usyk though, coming in with dressed as the Hitman from the video game is really very scary.



So let's see what strategy be Fury using, as you have said, he didn't do any dirty tricks like he did against Wilder wherein he pushes all his weight on him early and Wilder's energy was sapped. Or uses more jab against the shorter Usyk. It might be the Usyk is too intelligent for Fury and we might see the same results here.
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Press conference is underway. It's just the undercard right now before the main headliners. Will be interesting to see if Fury ups the ante with the trash talk or tries to make it physical. I think he probably knows by now he can't get into Uysk's head but maybe he might try make it personal or rough him up a little in the face off to try rattle him a little. One thing I did expect from the first fight was for Fury to try make it dirty and use his weight to his advantage by leaning and grabbing on Usyk but he didn't really but mostly because Usyk is too skilled to let him do it. When Fury went in for a clinch Usyk usually saw it coming and danced around him.
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Not a bad match to be honest. Even if both of them lost their drive and abilities, one of them would have to win meaning they'll regain some of the hype and would be back in the game. That's unless they were to give a very boring fight.
Wilder's manager has cut the speculation about Wilder's retirement and there are rumours he might move to the bridgerweight (aka super cruiserweight):
https://talksport.com/boxing/2162251/deontay-wilder-kevin-lerena-weight-world-champion-retirement/
Before Wilder lost to Fury, I was always confident Wilder would knockout Joshua if that fight ever took place. Even now after being beaten by Parker) I am confident Joshua would probably be knocked out if he went in the ring with Wilder. I just do not see how Joshua will ever be taken seriously again as a heavyweight boxer no matter who he fights (after the manner in which Dubois destroyed him).

Well, Usyk won quite comfortably in the first one and the ref stopped him from getting a KO so I expect a similar result this time and maybe Usyk will get a KO for definite next time around. On the flip side, Fury will know what to expect now so may need to go for broke and try get a KO himself. He knows a loss will put him out of reach at a shot at the belt for a long time so needs to go hell for leather to try knock Usyk out but easier said than done.
That is precisely what I think Fury will do (especially after he saw the damage Dubois did to Joshua with a stunning punch in the first round) because that might be the only way he will be able to dismantle Usyk and win the fight. I think Fury will start the rematch in the same way Dubois started his fight against Joshua.
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I cannot be the only one who looks at the poll and is surprised at how alarmingly one-sided it is. Like most others that posted here, I thought it was going to be far closer than what we are seeing at the moment and now it seems highly unlikely the gap will close. 70% voted for Usyk to win whereas just 25% voted for Fury.

Votes: 20
Fury: 5
Usyk: 14
Draw: 1

Well, Usyk won quite comfortably in the first one and the ref stopped him from getting a KO so I expect a similar result this time and maybe Usyk will get a KO for definite next time around. On the flip side, Fury will know what to expect now so may need to go for broke and try get a KO himself. He knows a loss will put him out of reach at a shot at the belt for a long time so needs to go hell for leather to try knock Usyk out but easier said than done. It won't be a bad thing for him though as still the most lucrative fight in the Fury/AJ one. If he loses he should just concentrate on the big money fights and crossovers like the Ngannou fight as he probably only has a few left in him and boxers deteriorate quickly at his age/when they're pushing 40.

He can take on a tune up fight in the meantime.
If Joshua carried on boxing, who would he fight? Without a doubt Parker and Zhang are ahead of him and with no incentive to fight him they are probably going to avoid him as they try for a title fight themselves. If Wilder has the desire to carry on then that could be a potential fight but both of them have lost their spark. Even in a potential Wilder vs Joshua fight, I think Joshua could go and win it only on a points decision whereas Wilder could knock him out before it gets to the judges scorecard.

For a tune up fight he'll probably just fight someone mediocre just to keep off the ring rust. Wilder would be a good fight but very risky for AJ if he loses. Parker and Zhang are dangerous for anybody and most boxers will avoid them like the plague. The best for AJ is either just wait for the Fury fight or just take an easy fight to stay active. I still think he can beat Dubois much like he won the rematch against Ruiz.
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(...) If Wilder has the desire to carry on then that could be a potential fight but both of them have lost their spark. Even in a potential Wilder vs Joshua fight, I think Joshua could go and win it only on a points decision whereas Wilder could knock him out before it gets to the judges scorecard.

Not a bad match to be honest. Even if both of them lost their drive and abilities, one of them would have to win meaning they'll regain some of the hype and would be back in the game. That's unless they were to give a very boring fight.
Wilder's manager has cut the speculation about Wilder's retirement and there are rumours he might move to the bridgerweight (aka super cruiserweight):
https://talksport.com/boxing/2162251/deontay-wilder-kevin-lerena-weight-world-champion-retirement/
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He can take on a tune up fight in the meantime.
If Joshua carried on boxing, who would he fight? Without a doubt Parker and Zhang are ahead of him and with no incentive to fight him they are probably going to avoid him as they try for a title fight themselves. If Wilder has the desire to carry on then that could be a potential fight but both of them have lost their spark. Even in a potential Wilder vs Joshua fight, I think Joshua could go and win it only on a points decision whereas Wilder could knock him out before it gets to the judges scorecard.

Hrgovic was beaten by Joshua therefore that could be a match but if they were to meet I am sure Joshua will be knocked out again. There is no suitable name out there for Joshua to get in the ring with.

The fight between Usyk and Fury in May 2024 was fantastic. I think we will enjoy the rematch even more later this year.
If Fury had stepped up sooner then it would be have been a much better fight because Usyk won more rounds before Fury rocked him and added some suspense. Usyk being a brilliant boxer managed to repel Fury and went on to win the fight. I leaning towards Fury winning the rematch in December  Grin
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I don't think he will doubt himself. I think he can win the rematch personally. He did so against Ruiz. In the Dubois fight his legs were gone from the first round from a great punch so he was fighting the entire fight with wobbly legs. He did well to get as far as he did to be honest. He also rocked Dubois and tried to finish him off and went in for the kill but his haste made him walk right onto Dubois fist which slept him. I still think he should probably skip the rematch and just wait for the Fury fight. He can take on a tune up fight in the meantime.

You might be right about him never fully recovering from the first knock down, I had the same impression watching the fight, but, at the same time, we can't ignore the fact that he wasn't fully "in the zone" when that round 1 knock down happened. At this level, he can't allow himself to be dropped by a signalised haymaker, that wasn't even part of any combination or a counter-attack. That looked like a rookie mistake.
That being said, I think he has a fair chance of winning a rematch, he did well in the Ruiz one, and did better in the rematch against Usyk than in their first fight. I could even bet some money on him if the odds are good enough.


In other news, the IBF is at it again. After the historical, undisputed light-heavyweight world championship fight between Bivol and Beterbiev, they want to prevent Beterbiev from fighting an immediate rematch and force him to fight the mandatory challenger, Michael Eifert.
https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-news/artur-beterbiev-vs-michael-eifert-ordered-by-ibf/283214
So we have a similar scenario to what they did with Usyk, who eventually just vacated the belt.
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There is nothing Joshua can do now to force a rematch with Dubois. First of all, he simply does not want it because he knows he will lose to an opponent that has already beaten him mentally and physically, is in better overall physique, is more powerful, is technically better and is more devastating with punching power.

Second, he knows he does not have what it takes to be a world heavyweight champion again. He is older, less agile and is an easy target. As mentioned before, it seems as though lost the fight before the first round when the referee was explaining the rules because his desire and hunger is not there.

If Fury loses to Usyk in the rematch then Fury will probably get in the ring with Joshua but with no titles on the line it will simply be for nostalgia. If Fury were to beat Usyk, they that leaves a reunification fight with Dubois possible but Fury and Joshua will probably meet in the ring.

I don't think he will doubt himself. I think he can win the rematch personally. He did so against Ruiz. In the Dubois fight his legs were gone from the first round from a great punch so he was fighting the entire fight with wobbly legs. He did well to get as far as he did to be honest. He also rocked Dubois and tried to finish him off and went in for the kill but his haste made him walk right onto Dubois fist which slept him. I still think he should probably skip the rematch and just wait for the Fury fight. He can take on a tune up fight in the meantime.
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After many experts/reporters already wrote him off, AJ doesn't have many options left to pick from. Assuming he wants to keep going (and doesn't retire), if there's a chance for a rematch, he would have to take it.
It is true Joshua does not have many options. He did not ask for a rematch with Dubois because he knows a defeat will be inevitable. He cannot fight for a title because he will need to be a mandatory contender but to get there he will need at least 3-4 fights because Parker and Zhang are ahead of him and both Usyk and Dubois are miles ahead (by virtue of holding all the championship belts between them).
 
Joshua is only 35, so still far from a regular retirement age. If he can get his mentality straight, he still has potential.
Boxers older than Joshua are far more agile than him. At 35 years of age he is far too slow and he does not scare nor intimidate opponents therefore retirement is looking as a real possibility or at least a goodbye to the boxing world after he gets a chance to fight Fury.
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There is nothing Joshua can do now to force a rematch with Dubois. First of all, he simply does not want it because he knows he will lose to an opponent that has already beaten him mentally and physically, is in better overall physique, is more powerful, is technically better and is more devastating with punching power.

After many experts/reporters already wrote him off, AJ doesn't have many options left to pick from. Assuming he wants to keep going (and doesn't retire), if there's a chance for a rematch, he would have to take it.

If Fury loses to Usyk in the rematch then Fury will probably get in the ring with Joshua but with no titles on the line it will simply be for nostalgia. If Fury were to beat Usyk, they that leaves a reunification fight with Dubois possible but Fury and Joshua will probably meet in the ring.

I agree that we could see Fury Vs AJ if Fury loses, but in such case, Fury's immediate decision could be retirement (maybe temporary but still). A nostalgia fight with AJ probably won't be motivating enough for him, unless he has some time off and feels hungry again.
I don't think Fury would be interested in fighting AJ if he comes out victorious from the Usyk rematch. AJ would have to get back to the top, i.e. by accepting and winning a rematch with Dubois, but I'd imagine there will be attempts to match Dubois with a winner of Fury Vs. Usyk.

Joshua is only 35, so still far from a regular retirement age. If he can get his mentality straight, he still has potential.
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There is nothing Joshua can do now to force a rematch with Dubois. First of all, he simply does not want it because he knows he will lose to an opponent that has already beaten him mentally and physically, is in better overall physique, is more powerful, is technically better and is more devastating with punching power.

Second, he knows he does not have what it takes to be a world heavyweight champion again. He is older, less agile and is an easy target. As mentioned before, it seems as though lost the fight before the first round when the referee was explaining the rules because his desire and hunger is not there.

If Fury loses to Usyk in the rematch then Fury will probably get in the ring with Joshua but with no titles on the line it will simply be for nostalgia. If Fury were to beat Usyk, they that leaves a reunification fight with Dubois possible but Fury and Joshua will probably meet in the ring.

I wouldn't be so sure. February would be perfect for AJ but maybe he's waiting to see the outcome of the Usyk fight. If Fury loses again - which I expect he will - then there's nothing really for either Fury or AJ so they should just get the fight over and done with before it fizzles out or they get too old or one retires. It can easy happen now that Hearn and Bricktop are best mates and of course His Excellency Turki will be willing to grease all their palms with gold.

Both Hearn and Warren are teasing/hyping up the next 5v5. Both Dubois and AJ would be great additions for that or maybe even they both fight each other again. Of course you could also have AJ/FURY on it too but I think a fight of that magnitude deserves its own card.
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The IBF have ordered an eliminator fight between Agit Kabayel and Martin Bakole and they want the winner to fight Daniel Dubois. In an interview  his manager Frank Warren stated Dubois will fight in February but did not name an opponent. This really should out an end to any talk of there being a rematch between Dubois and Joshua.

If this is put in perspective, Joshua could have asked or the rematch immediately or in the weeks after the defeat but he was dragging his feet and now the IBF have stepped. Joshua did not want the rematch because he was not just beaten that night by Dubois, he was totally destroyed mentally and physically.

I wouldn't be so sure. February would be perfect for AJ but maybe he's waiting to see the outcome of the Usyk fight. If Fury loses again - which I expect he will - then there's nothing really for either Fury or AJ so they should just get the fight over and done with before it fizzles out or they get too old or one retires. It can easy happen now that Hearn and Bricktop are best mates and of course His Excellency Turki will be willing to grease all their palms with gold.

Both Hearn and Warren are teasing/hyping up the next 5v5. Both Dubois and AJ would be great additions for that or maybe even they both fight each other again. Of course you could also have AJ/FURY on it too but I think a fight of that magnitude deserves its own card.
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The IBF have ordered an eliminator fight between Agit Kabayel and Martin Bakole and they want the winner to fight Daniel Dubois. In an interview  his manager Frank Warren stated Dubois will fight in February but did not name an opponent. This really should out an end to any talk of there being a rematch between Dubois and Joshua.

If this is put in perspective, Joshua could have asked or the rematch immediately or in the weeks after the defeat but he was dragging his feet and now the IBF have stepped. Joshua did not want the rematch because he was not just beaten that night by Dubois, he was totally destroyed mentally and physically.
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Undercard has been announced:

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Serhii Bohachuk vs Israil Madrimov

Moses Itauma vs Demsey McKean

Johnny Fisher vs Dave Allen

Dennis McCann vs Peter McGrail

Isaac Lowe vs Peter McGregor

Fairly underwhelming in my opinion./

Bohachuk vs Madrimov is interesting because they both lost their titles in very close decisions. Everything else is just filler. At least I will not have to be in front of a screen for many, many hours like the Crawford vs. Madrimov card or some of the other Riyadh Season cards.

If he wins, do you guys think Usyk would be willing to fight Dubois again for the unification, or will he be looking for other options?

I thought the referee was very biased in their first fight. A rematch should happen just to clear any doubts but also because Dubois has earned the opportunity. There is nobody left for Usyk to fight so his only options would be to retire or fight Dubois. If he chose to fight somebody else it would look very bad.
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I'd rather Francis stick to the MMA. It was a one-fight wonder and AJ exposed his weaknesses. As for me, I don't have much interest in seeing Francis boxing again against any boxer. Maybe a rematch with Fury would be interesting just to see if he could perform that well again, or if he would get run over by Fury. But if Fury was to lose to Usyk again, I think the best option for him would be AJ, for whom, it would be a great chance to rebound his career after many experts wrote him off.

If he wins, do you guys think Usyk would be willing to fight Dubois again for the unification, or will he be looking for other options?

If Fury loses to Usyk again, the Fury-AJ fight will look a bit strange, don't you think? Given that they both lost two fights to Usyk. This fight will probably be of interest mainly to the British audience.
I don’t know how the fight will go, but it’s clear that no matter the outcome, Usyk, AJ, and Fury will retire within 2-3 years at most. But for the sake of money they will participate in various kinds of exhibition fights.
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