[ POLL ] The Unification Fight: FURY vs USYK 17th FEBRUARY 2024 - page 8.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on October 09, 2024, 09:26:39 AM

I doubt Fury will take the Ngannou rematch now, or if he does it will be at the tail end of hic career after the AJ fight. Too much risk but if the money is right I'm sure he will. Ngannou should just fight some other top tier boxer. Maybe Wilder or Zhang would be a good match up. Maybe even Chisora too.

I'd rather Francis stick to the MMA. It was a one-fight wonder and AJ exposed his weaknesses. As for me, I don't have much interest in seeing Francis boxing again against any boxer. Maybe a rematch with Fury would be interesting just to see if he could perform that well again, or if he would get run over by Fury. But if Fury was to lose to Usyk again, I think the best option for him would be AJ, for whom, it would be a great chance to rebound his career after many experts wrote him off.

If he wins, do you guys think Usyk would be willing to fight Dubois again for the unification, or will he be looking for other options?

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Fury seems to go where the money will take him (and that is probably true for most of the boxers out there regardless of weight division). All boxers have a finite time and time catches up with them all one day therefore money really does talk. Having said that I see no reason why he would even contemplate fighting Ngannou again, he did after all beat him in that highly dubious points decision.

If he has two or maybe three fights remaining before he retires, he will probably avoid it in order to focus big fights before he quits.

Quote from: hilariousetc on October 09, 2024, 09:26:39 AM

I doubt Fury will take the Ngannou rematch now, or if he does it will be at the tail end of hic career after the AJ fight. Too much risk but if the money is right I'm sure he will. Ngannou should just fight some other top tier boxer. Maybe Wilder or Zhang would be a good match up. Maybe even Chisora too.

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Quote from: JollyGood on August 13, 2024, 05:17:59 PM

To me it seems Ngannou is not part of the equation when it relates to the plan Fury hopes to have before he retires. I think both Fury and Joshua have expressed an interest to have a fight regardless of whether there were any titles on the line therefore maybe that will happen one day. As for now though, the pressure is on Fury because if he loses against Usyk, it will be difficult for him to continue in the sport.

To my knowledge the poll was never locked.

Quote from: pawel7777 on August 13, 2024, 03:00:00 PM

The "next few years" could man anything between 2-9 years, so it's not so much of hinting t retirement as it is just stating the obvious.
But yeah, losing the rematch to Usyk will probably cripple his career if not end it. He could still be trying to get some high profile fights though, like one against AJ (if he didn't make it to get to/win the unification fight) or maybe a quick rematch against Ngannou, just to mak a statement and wash away the bad taste after their first fight.

Te poll is now closed, but I think I'd vote for Fury.

I doubt Fury will take the Ngannou rematch now, or if he does it will be at the tail end of hic career after the AJ fight. Too much risk but if the money is right I'm sure he will. Ngannou should just fight some other top tier boxer. Maybe Wilder or Zhang would be a good match up. Maybe even Chisora too.

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To me it seems Ngannou is not part of the equation when it relates to the plan Fury hopes to have before he retires. I think both Fury and Joshua have expressed an interest to have a fight regardless of whether there were any titles on the line therefore maybe that will happen one day. As for now though, the pressure is on Fury because if he loses against Usyk, it will be difficult for him to continue in the sport.

To my knowledge the poll was never locked.

Quote from: pawel7777 on August 13, 2024, 03:00:00 PM

The "next few years" could man anything between 2-9 years, so it's not so much of hinting t retirement as it is just stating the obvious.
But yeah, losing the rematch to Usyk will probably cripple his career if not end it. He could still be trying to get some high profile fights though, like one against AJ (if he didn't make it to get to/win the unification fight) or maybe a quick rematch against Ngannou, just to mak a statement and wash away the bad taste after their first fight.

Te poll is now closed, but I think I'd vote for Fury.

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Quote from: JollyGood on August 13, 2024, 03:05:16 AM

Tyson Fury: "I’ve been in love with boxing for such a long time – from being a little boy – and I’m probably at the end of my career in the next few years. It’s been a love-hate relationship."
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For the first time in an interview with Queensberry Boxing, Tyson Fury hinted at his retirement. As he gets older the inevitable was going to happen regardless but to hear him accepting he has a short time left in boxing was poignant. Before retiring he would probably want to beat Usyk to regain all the available titles and then beat the winner of the Dubois vs Joshua fight to take the IBF title and then maybe have one title defence before retiring.

For that reason, I suppose it means he should be fully focused on winning the rematch against Usyk in December 2024 otherwise his career will probably be over immediately.

The "next few years" could man anything between 2-9 years, so it's not so much of hinting t retirement as it is just stating the obvious.
But yeah, losing the rematch to Usyk will probably cripple his career if not end it. He could still be trying to get some high profile fights though, like one against AJ (if he didn't make it to get to/win the unification fight) or maybe a quick rematch against Ngannou, just to mak a statement and wash away the bad taste after their first fight.

Te poll is now closed, but I think I'd vote for Fury.

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Tyson Fury: "I’ve been in love with boxing for such a long time – from being a little boy – and I’m probably at the end of my career in the next few years. It’s been a love-hate relationship."

For the first time in an interview with Queensberry Boxing, Tyson Fury hinted at his retirement. As he gets older the inevitable was going to happen regardless but to hear him accepting he has a short time left in boxing was poignant. Before retiring he would probably want to beat Usyk to regain all the available titles and then beat the winner of the Dubois vs Joshua fight to take the IBF title and then maybe have one title defence before retiring.

For that reason, I suppose it means he should be fully focused on winning the rematch against Usyk in December 2024 otherwise his career will probably be over immediately.

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I cannot be the only one who looks at the poll and is surprised at how alarmingly one-sided it is. Like most others that posted here, I thought it was going to be far closer than what we are seeing at the moment and now it seems highly unlikely the gap will close. 70% voted for Usyk to win whereas just 25% voted for Fury.

Votes: 20
Fury: 5
Usyk: 14
Draw: 1

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I do not know what the financial terms would have been for the rematch but they would have been included in the original deal, meaning neither party would have been able to renegotiate them after the first fight was over. I think the percentage of the fight purse was the main stumbling block for the place not to have taken place earlier as Fury was asking for a bigger share but thankfully all that is in the past. Now we can look forward to rematch in December without either boxer pulling out citing the contract.

Quote from: Julien_Olynpic on August 06, 2024, 07:06:24 AM

The fight between Usyk and Fury in May 2024 was fantastic. I think we will enjoy the rematch even more later this year. It is interesting that Usyk managed to become the third absolute world champion in two weight classes in the era of four belts. Well, there was a lot of intrigue around the May fight. It seems that Fury's team insisted on a 50% fee even in case of a loss, which, apparently, was unacceptable to Usyk's team. I wonder what the financial conditions will be in the rematch? Usyk clearly had better technical preparation. He won, albeit by split decision, but quite fairly. Here it is necessary to mention that Usyk is shorter and weighed less at the weigh-in. I think that unless something incredible happens, Usyk's chances of winning the rematch are quite decent.

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The fight between Usyk and Fury in May 2024 was fantastic. I think we will enjoy the rematch even more later this year. It is interesting that Usyk managed to become the third absolute world champion in two weight classes in the era of four belts. Well, there was a lot of intrigue around the May fight. It seems that Fury's team insisted on a 50% fee even in case of a loss, which, apparently, was unacceptable to Usyk's team. I wonder what the financial conditions will be in the rematch? Usyk clearly had better technical preparation. He won, albeit by split decision, but quite fairly. Here it is necessary to mention that Usyk is shorter and weighed less at the weigh-in. I think that unless something incredible happens, Usyk's chances of winning the rematch are quite decent.

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I agree he was impressive in his previous fight and he is capable of mounting a world title challenge if he were to win his next 4-5 fights. In my opinion you put him a little higher that I would in that mix but he were to focus on the next few opponents then maybe he will get his chance. Zhang could not handle Parker but then heavily beat Wilder in his next fight, I do not know how to rate Zhang at the moment.

Right now though, it seems the momentum is with Fury, Usyk, Dubois and Joshua and others have to wait for the opportunity of fighting for a heavyweight title.

Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on August 05, 2024, 11:48:41 PM

Bakole was very impressive this past weekend. He showed that he has very heavy hands and beat a highly touted undefeated prospect. His name is now in the mix alongside Parker, Zhang, and Kabayel as one of those guys who is on the verge of challenging for a world title. He is very similar to Zhang because he is slow and doesn’t throw many punches. With his power he is capable of knocking anybody out, but his skills are not enough to win a decision against Usyk or Fury if it went the distance.

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Quote from: JollyGood on August 05, 2024, 04:30:52 PM

Here is a report where a promoter is asking for the winner of the Fury vs Usyk rematch to fight Martin Bakole (who has a 21-1 record). I think it was more of a publicity stunt in the hope of people talking about him even though he won his fight with a strong show against Anderson on Saturday:

We do not know who the number one contender and mandatory challenger will be after Fury and Usyk meet in December but I think there are far more chances of the winner of this fight meeting the winner of the Dubois vs Joshua fight in 2025.

Bakole was very impressive this past weekend. He showed that he has very heavy hands and beat a highly touted undefeated prospect. His name is now in the mix alongside Parker, Zhang, and Kabayel as one of those guys who is on the verge of challenging for a world title. He is very similar to Zhang because he is slow and doesn’t throw many punches. With his power he is capable of knocking anybody out, but his skills are not enough to win a decision against Usyk or Fury if it went the distance.

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Here is a report where a promoter is asking for the winner of the Fury vs Usyk rematch to fight Martin Bakole (who has a 21-1 record). I think it was more of a publicity stunt in the hope of people talking about him even though he won his fight with a strong show against Anderson on Saturday:

We do not know who the number one contender and mandatory challenger will be after Fury and Usyk meet in December but I think there are far more chances of the winner of this fight meeting the winner of the Dubois vs Joshua fight in 2025.

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Fury definitely prepared much better for the fight against Usyk than he did with Ngannou. It semed as though he literally walked in to that fight thinking he was going to win in the first minutes and take the mic at centre ring to tell the world he was going to destroy Usyk. What happened against Ngannou should have taught Fury a lesson to take the next fight seriously and he did but he ended up losing on the judges scorecard.

Usyk is a brilliant fighter that adjusts his style depending on the opponent therefore I expect him to challenge Fury all the way. What will probably be different for the rematch is Fury being more determined to level the score. It will probably be another close fight and that makes it better for the fans Grin

Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on July 21, 2024, 11:50:09 PM

After the close call he had with Ngannou, I think Fury prepared much better and took the Usyk fight seriously. He was clearly in much better shape. Mentally though, he might not have been expected a small guy to be so tough and be able to hurt him the way he did. His lifestyle and the wear and tear from being in some brutal wars have also caught up to him and magnified his vulnerabilities.

The fight was still very close despite Fury almost being knocked out. It shows that Usyk also has vulnerabilities that can be exploited. When Fury used his size advantage effectively, he was battering Usyk for several rounds.

I expect for the rematch to also be a very close and competitive fight. If Fury can tighten up his defense and improve his physical condition a bit more he can pull off a win. Usyk’s strategy worked in the first fight, so I expect him to do more of the same. He will avoid clinches and pick the right moments to be more aggressive.

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Quote from: South Park on July 21, 2024, 02:58:37 PM

Quote from: JollyGood on July 20, 2024, 07:53:25 AM

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Personally, I think the fight came to fruition a few years late. If Fury and Usyk had met immediately after Usyk defeated Joshua the first time, it would have been far better for the boxers and fans. As the rematch clause was inserted which led to Usyk and Joshua fighting again, a fight should have been planned for Usyk to meet Fury immediately after that.

When they met in the unification fight, they both seemed well past their best. It is difficult to see how they will perform in their rematch in December but imagine if they had fought when they were 2 -3 years younger.

Whenever there is a delay of that kind, most of the time this means the promoters are at fault as they are playing their games to try to get more money, which is their job but it is not as if fans have to like it since they are often the reason the big fights we all want to see get delayed or do not happen at all

Promoters may be at fault at times, but the boxers may as well, no one can force them. Specifically for the drama around the matches of Fury, Usyk and Joshua, you can't blame the promoter but Fury. The guy was difficult then and wasn't sincere with his words. If you heard him speak a thing today, you would hear him speaking another the next day, it was as if the Joshua side was practically begging him to fight. For what? This frustrated the whole episode. I even thought that the fight between him and Joshua would happen before him and Usyk, but for reasons known to him, he seemed to be ignoring Joshua, only to engage in social media rants as usual.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on July 20, 2024, 07:59:35 AM

I think it’ll be closer than the poll suggests although I do accept Usyk is the favourite. I think Fury was underprepared and unmotivated for the first fight. I think he may even have underestimated Usyk and gone into it complacent, expecting an easy win.

The second fight should be better and I expect a fully focused, committed Fury eager to avenge the loss and win his belts back.

After the close call he had with Ngannou, I think Fury prepared much better and took the Usyk fight seriously. He was clearly in much better shape. Mentally though, he might not have been expected a small guy to be so tough and be able to hurt him the way he did. His lifestyle and the wear and tear from being in some brutal wars have also caught up to him and magnified his vulnerabilities.

The fight was still very close despite Fury almost being knocked out. It shows that Usyk also has vulnerabilities that can be exploited. When Fury used his size advantage effectively, he was battering Usyk for several rounds.

I expect for the rematch to also be a very close and competitive fight. If Fury can tighten up his defense and improve his physical condition a bit more he can pull off a win. Usyk’s strategy worked in the first fight, so I expect him to do more of the same. He will avoid clinches and pick the right moments to be more aggressive.

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The first time they were close to signing the deal, it was supposed to be very close and the blame was being directed towards Fury for failing to get the deal sealed. I cannot recall properly but I think the first attempt fell through because Fury wanted a much larger chunk of the fight purse as he was the WBC champion. Usyk of course held all the other belts but Fury was insisting on a totally uneven purse split.

Now it will be about legacy, egos, reputation and history because the percentage of fight purse split was agreed in the rematch clause in the original contract. For some reason I am beginning to believe more than before that Fury will win but there will not be a trilogy. Fury will go on to fight the winner of the IBF title fight between champion Dubois and Joshua. I am expecting Fury to fight Dubois for another heavyweight unification fight in 2025 and then he will retire. If Usyk defeats Fury he will have his own unification fight next year with either Dubois or Joshua and it could mean Fury taking retirement.

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Whenever there is a delay of that kind, most of the time this means the promoters are at fault as they are playing their games to try to get more money, which is their job but it is not as if fans have to like it since they are often the reason the big fights we all want to see get delayed or do not happen at all, still despite the delay at least we will get to see them fighting for a second time, and if Fury were to win we may even get a trilogy out of it, which is not that bad.

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Quote from: JollyGood on July 20, 2024, 07:53:25 AM

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Personally, I think the fight came to fruition a few years late. If Fury and Usyk had met immediately after Usyk defeated Joshua the first time, it would have been far better for the boxers and fans. As the rematch clause was inserted which led to Usyk and Joshua fighting again, a fight should have been planned for Usyk to meet Fury immediately after that.

When they met in the unification fight, they both seemed well past their best. It is difficult to see how they will perform in their rematch in December but imagine if they had fought when they were 2 -3 years younger.

Whenever there is a delay of that kind, most of the time this means the promoters are at fault as they are playing their games to try to get more money, which is their job but it is not as if fans have to like it since they are often the reason the big fights we all want to see get delayed or do not happen at all, still despite the delay at least we will get to see them fighting for a second time, and if Fury were to win we may even get a trilogy out of it, which is not that bad.

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When you look back at the way Fury dismantled everything Wilder threw at him over their trilogy, you know Fury has the tools to defeat Usyk. Without doubt there were parts in that trilogy where Wilder had opportunities and Fury was hurt but overall Fury deserved to win all the fights (even though the first was awarded as a dubious and debated draw).

Maybe you are right, Fury could have gone in to that fight expecting to win and that could have affected his training regime. Maybe the loss will give him the motivation he needs to win the titles back and then not bother with a Fury vs Usyk trilogy and instead focus on a unification fight with the winner from the Joshua vs Dubois fight (as Dubois is the IBF heavyweight champion).

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I think it’ll be closer than the poll suggests although I do accept Usyk is the favourite. I think Fury was underprepared and unmotivated for the first fight. I think he may even have underestimated Usyk and gone into it complacent, expecting an easy win.

The second fight should be better and I expect a fully focused, committed Fury eager to avenge the loss and win his belts back.

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Quote from: JollyGood on July 20, 2024, 07:53:25 AM

The poll is in favour of Usyk by a wide margin. Right now it shows Usyk:13 and Fury:5 and Draw:1

Personally, I think the fight came to fruition a few years late. If Fury and Usyk had met immediately after Usyk defeated Joshua the first time, it would have been far better for the boxers and fans. As the rematch clause was inserted which led to Usyk and Joshua fighting again, a fight should have been planned for Usyk to meet Fury immediately after that.

When they met in the unification fight, they both seemed well past their best. It is difficult to see how they will perform in their rematch in December but imagine if they had fought when they were 2 -3 years younger.

I think it’ll be closer than the poll suggests although I do accept Usyk is the favourite. I think Fury was underprepared and unmotivated for the first fight. I think he may even have underestimated Usyk and gone into it complacent, expecting an easy win.

The second fight should be better and I expect a fully focused, committed Fury eager to avenge the loss and win his belts back.

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The poll is in favour of Usyk by a wide margin. Right now it shows Usyk:13 and Fury:5 and Draw:1

Personally, I think the fight came to fruition a few years late. If Fury and Usyk had met immediately after Usyk defeated Joshua the first time, it would have been far better for the boxers and fans. As the rematch clause was inserted which led to Usyk and Joshua fighting again, a fight should have been planned for Usyk to meet Fury immediately after that.

When they met in the unification fight, they both seemed well past their best. It is difficult to see how they will perform in their rematch in December but imagine if they had fought when they were 2 -3 years younger.

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