[ POLL ] The Unification Fight: FURY vs USYK 17th FEBRUARY 2024 - page 5.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on October 17, 2024, 02:24:06 PM

He can take on a tune up fight in the meantime.

If Joshua carried on boxing, who would he fight? Without a doubt Parker and Zhang are ahead of him and with no incentive to fight him they are probably going to avoid him as they try for a title fight themselves. If Wilder has the desire to carry on then that could be a potential fight but both of them have lost their spark. Even in a potential Wilder vs Joshua fight, I think Joshua could go and win it only on a points decision whereas Wilder could knock him out before it gets to the judges scorecard.

Hrgovic was beaten by Joshua therefore that could be a match but if they were to meet I am sure Joshua will be knocked out again. There is no suitable name out there for Joshua to get in the ring with.

Quote from: Julien_Olynpic on August 06, 2024, 07:06:24 AM

The fight between Usyk and Fury in May 2024 was fantastic. I think we will enjoy the rematch even more later this year.

If Fury had stepped up sooner then it would be have been a much better fight because Usyk won more rounds before Fury rocked him and added some suspense. Usyk being a brilliant boxer managed to repel Fury and went on to win the fight. I leaning towards Fury winning the rematch in December Grin

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Quote from: hilariousetc on October 17, 2024, 02:24:06 PM

I don't think he will doubt himself. I think he can win the rematch personally. He did so against Ruiz. In the Dubois fight his legs were gone from the first round from a great punch so he was fighting the entire fight with wobbly legs. He did well to get as far as he did to be honest. He also rocked Dubois and tried to finish him off and went in for the kill but his haste made him walk right onto Dubois fist which slept him. I still think he should probably skip the rematch and just wait for the Fury fight. He can take on a tune up fight in the meantime.

You might be right about him never fully recovering from the first knock down, I had the same impression watching the fight, but, at the same time, we can't ignore the fact that he wasn't fully "in the zone" when that round 1 knock down happened. At this level, he can't allow himself to be dropped by a signalised haymaker, that wasn't even part of any combination or a counter-attack. That looked like a rookie mistake.
That being said, I think he has a fair chance of winning a rematch, he did well in the Ruiz one, and did better in the rematch against Usyk than in their first fight. I could even bet some money on him if the odds are good enough.

In other news, the IBF is at it again. After the historical, undisputed light-heavyweight world championship fight between Bivol and Beterbiev, they want to prevent Beterbiev from fighting an immediate rematch and force him to fight the mandatory challenger, Michael Eifert.
https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-news/artur-beterbiev-vs-michael-eifert-ordered-by-ibf/283214
So we have a similar scenario to what they did with Usyk, who eventually just vacated the belt.

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Quote from: JollyGood on October 16, 2024, 06:15:06 AM

There is nothing Joshua can do now to force a rematch with Dubois. First of all, he simply does not want it because he knows he will lose to an opponent that has already beaten him mentally and physically, is in better overall physique, is more powerful, is technically better and is more devastating with punching power.

Second, he knows he does not have what it takes to be a world heavyweight champion again. He is older, less agile and is an easy target. As mentioned before, it seems as though lost the fight before the first round when the referee was explaining the rules because his desire and hunger is not there.

If Fury loses to Usyk in the rematch then Fury will probably get in the ring with Joshua but with no titles on the line it will simply be for nostalgia. If Fury were to beat Usyk, they that leaves a reunification fight with Dubois possible but Fury and Joshua will probably meet in the ring.

I don't think he will doubt himself. I think he can win the rematch personally. He did so against Ruiz. In the Dubois fight his legs were gone from the first round from a great punch so he was fighting the entire fight with wobbly legs. He did well to get as far as he did to be honest. He also rocked Dubois and tried to finish him off and went in for the kill but his haste made him walk right onto Dubois fist which slept him. I still think he should probably skip the rematch and just wait for the Fury fight. He can take on a tune up fight in the meantime.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on October 16, 2024, 05:09:42 PM

After many experts/reporters already wrote him off, AJ doesn't have many options left to pick from. Assuming he wants to keep going (and doesn't retire), if there's a chance for a rematch, he would have to take it.

It is true Joshua does not have many options. He did not ask for a rematch with Dubois because he knows a defeat will be inevitable. He cannot fight for a title because he will need to be a mandatory contender but to get there he will need at least 3-4 fights because Parker and Zhang are ahead of him and both Usyk and Dubois are miles ahead (by virtue of holding all the championship belts between them).

Quote from: pawel7777 on October 16, 2024, 05:09:42 PM

Joshua is only 35, so still far from a regular retirement age. If he can get his mentality straight, he still has potential.

Boxers older than Joshua are far more agile than him. At 35 years of age he is far too slow and he does not scare nor intimidate opponents therefore retirement is looking as a real possibility or at least a goodbye to the boxing world after he gets a chance to fight Fury.

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Quote from: JollyGood on October 16, 2024, 06:15:06 AM

There is nothing Joshua can do now to force a rematch with Dubois. First of all, he simply does not want it because he knows he will lose to an opponent that has already beaten him mentally and physically, is in better overall physique, is more powerful, is technically better and is more devastating with punching power.

After many experts/reporters already wrote him off, AJ doesn't have many options left to pick from. Assuming he wants to keep going (and doesn't retire), if there's a chance for a rematch, he would have to take it.

Quote from: JollyGood on October 16, 2024, 06:15:06 AM

If Fury loses to Usyk in the rematch then Fury will probably get in the ring with Joshua but with no titles on the line it will simply be for nostalgia. If Fury were to beat Usyk, they that leaves a reunification fight with Dubois possible but Fury and Joshua will probably meet in the ring.

I agree that we could see Fury Vs AJ if Fury loses, but in such case, Fury's immediate decision could be retirement (maybe temporary but still). A nostalgia fight with AJ probably won't be motivating enough for him, unless he has some time off and feels hungry again.
I don't think Fury would be interested in fighting AJ if he comes out victorious from the Usyk rematch. AJ would have to get back to the top, i.e. by accepting and winning a rematch with Dubois, but I'd imagine there will be attempts to match Dubois with a winner of Fury Vs. Usyk.

Joshua is only 35, so still far from a regular retirement age. If he can get his mentality straight, he still has potential.

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There is nothing Joshua can do now to force a rematch with Dubois. First of all, he simply does not want it because he knows he will lose to an opponent that has already beaten him mentally and physically, is in better overall physique, is more powerful, is technically better and is more devastating with punching power.

Second, he knows he does not have what it takes to be a world heavyweight champion again. He is older, less agile and is an easy target. As mentioned before, it seems as though lost the fight before the first round when the referee was explaining the rules because his desire and hunger is not there.

If Fury loses to Usyk in the rematch then Fury will probably get in the ring with Joshua but with no titles on the line it will simply be for nostalgia. If Fury were to beat Usyk, they that leaves a reunification fight with Dubois possible but Fury and Joshua will probably meet in the ring.

Quote from: hilariousetc on October 13, 2024, 01:20:39 PM

I wouldn't be so sure. February would be perfect for AJ but maybe he's waiting to see the outcome of the Usyk fight. If Fury loses again - which I expect he will - then there's nothing really for either Fury or AJ so they should just get the fight over and done with before it fizzles out or they get too old or one retires. It can easy happen now that Hearn and Bricktop are best mates and of course His Excellency Turki will be willing to grease all their palms with gold.

Both Hearn and Warren are teasing/hyping up the next 5v5. Both Dubois and AJ would be great additions for that or maybe even they both fight each other again. Of course you could also have AJ/FURY on it too but I think a fight of that magnitude deserves its own card.

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Quote from: JollyGood on October 10, 2024, 08:28:59 AM

The IBF have ordered an eliminator fight between Agit Kabayel and Martin Bakole and they want the winner to fight Daniel Dubois. In an interview his manager Frank Warren stated Dubois will fight in February but did not name an opponent. This really should out an end to any talk of there being a rematch between Dubois and Joshua.

If this is put in perspective, Joshua could have asked or the rematch immediately or in the weeks after the defeat but he was dragging his feet and now the IBF have stepped. Joshua did not want the rematch because he was not just beaten that night by Dubois, he was totally destroyed mentally and physically.

I wouldn't be so sure. February would be perfect for AJ but maybe he's waiting to see the outcome of the Usyk fight. If Fury loses again - which I expect he will - then there's nothing really for either Fury or AJ so they should just get the fight over and done with before it fizzles out or they get too old or one retires. It can easy happen now that Hearn and Bricktop are best mates and of course His Excellency Turki will be willing to grease all their palms with gold.

Both Hearn and Warren are teasing/hyping up the next 5v5. Both Dubois and AJ would be great additions for that or maybe even they both fight each other again. Of course you could also have AJ/FURY on it too but I think a fight of that magnitude deserves its own card.

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The IBF have ordered an eliminator fight between Agit Kabayel and Martin Bakole and they want the winner to fight Daniel Dubois. In an interview his manager Frank Warren stated Dubois will fight in February but did not name an opponent. This really should out an end to any talk of there being a rematch between Dubois and Joshua.

If this is put in perspective, Joshua could have asked or the rematch immediately or in the weeks after the defeat but he was dragging his feet and now the IBF have stepped. Joshua did not want the rematch because he was not just beaten that night by Dubois, he was totally destroyed mentally and physically.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on October 09, 2024, 09:26:39 AM

https://talksport.com/boxing/2140804/tyson-fury-vs-oleksandr-usyk-ii-undercard-in-full-moses-itauma/

Undercard has been announced:

https://britishboxingnews.co.uk/app/uploads/2024/10/4C7945B4-A79C-47ED-9BE6-A519F6D0C921.jpg

Serhii Bohachuk vs Israil Madrimov

Moses Itauma vs Demsey McKean

Johnny Fisher vs Dave Allen

Dennis McCann vs Peter McGrail

Isaac Lowe vs Peter McGregor

Fairly underwhelming in my opinion./

Bohachuk vs Madrimov is interesting because they both lost their titles in very close decisions. Everything else is just filler. At least I will not have to be in front of a screen for many, many hours like the Crawford vs. Madrimov card or some of the other Riyadh Season cards.

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If he wins, do you guys think Usyk would be willing to fight Dubois again for the unification, or will he be looking for other options?

I thought the referee was very biased in their first fight. A rematch should happen just to clear any doubts but also because Dubois has earned the opportunity. There is nobody left for Usyk to fight so his only options would be to retire or fight Dubois. If he chose to fight somebody else it would look very bad.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on October 09, 2024, 02:58:53 PM

I'd rather Francis stick to the MMA. It was a one-fight wonder and AJ exposed his weaknesses. As for me, I don't have much interest in seeing Francis boxing again against any boxer. Maybe a rematch with Fury would be interesting just to see if he could perform that well again, or if he would get run over by Fury. But if Fury was to lose to Usyk again, I think the best option for him would be AJ, for whom, it would be a great chance to rebound his career after many experts wrote him off.

If he wins, do you guys think Usyk would be willing to fight Dubois again for the unification, or will he be looking for other options?

If Fury loses to Usyk again, the Fury-AJ fight will look a bit strange, don't you think? Given that they both lost two fights to Usyk. This fight will probably be of interest mainly to the British audience.
I don’t know how the fight will go, but it’s clear that no matter the outcome, Usyk, AJ, and Fury will retire within 2-3 years at most. But for the sake of money they will participate in various kinds of exhibition fights.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on October 09, 2024, 09:26:39 AM

I doubt Fury will take the Ngannou rematch now, or if he does it will be at the tail end of hic career after the AJ fight. Too much risk but if the money is right I'm sure he will. Ngannou should just fight some other top tier boxer. Maybe Wilder or Zhang would be a good match up. Maybe even Chisora too.

I'd rather Francis stick to the MMA. It was a one-fight wonder and AJ exposed his weaknesses. As for me, I don't have much interest in seeing Francis boxing again against any boxer. Maybe a rematch with Fury would be interesting just to see if he could perform that well again, or if he would get run over by Fury. But if Fury was to lose to Usyk again, I think the best option for him would be AJ, for whom, it would be a great chance to rebound his career after many experts wrote him off.

If he wins, do you guys think Usyk would be willing to fight Dubois again for the unification, or will he be looking for other options?

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Fury seems to go where the money will take him (and that is probably true for most of the boxers out there regardless of weight division). All boxers have a finite time and time catches up with them all one day therefore money really does talk. Having said that I see no reason why he would even contemplate fighting Ngannou again, he did after all beat him in that highly dubious points decision.

If he has two or maybe three fights remaining before he retires, he will probably avoid it in order to focus big fights before he quits.

Quote from: hilariousetc on October 09, 2024, 09:26:39 AM

I doubt Fury will take the Ngannou rematch now, or if he does it will be at the tail end of hic career after the AJ fight. Too much risk but if the money is right I'm sure he will. Ngannou should just fight some other top tier boxer. Maybe Wilder or Zhang would be a good match up. Maybe even Chisora too.

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https://talksport.com/boxing/2140804/tyson-fury-vs-oleksandr-usyk-ii-undercard-in-full-moses-itauma/

Undercard has been announced:

Serhii Bohachuk vs Israil Madrimov

Moses Itauma vs Demsey McKean

Johnny Fisher vs Dave Allen

Dennis McCann vs Peter McGrail

Isaac Lowe vs Peter McGregor

Fairly underwhelming in my opinion./

Quote from: JollyGood on August 13, 2024, 05:17:59 PM

To me it seems Ngannou is not part of the equation when it relates to the plan Fury hopes to have before he retires. I think both Fury and Joshua have expressed an interest to have a fight regardless of whether there were any titles on the line therefore maybe that will happen one day. As for now though, the pressure is on Fury because if he loses against Usyk, it will be difficult for him to continue in the sport.

To my knowledge the poll was never locked.

Quote from: pawel7777 on August 13, 2024, 03:00:00 PM

The "next few years" could man anything between 2-9 years, so it's not so much of hinting t retirement as it is just stating the obvious.
But yeah, losing the rematch to Usyk will probably cripple his career if not end it. He could still be trying to get some high profile fights though, like one against AJ (if he didn't make it to get to/win the unification fight) or maybe a quick rematch against Ngannou, just to mak a statement and wash away the bad taste after their first fight.

Te poll is now closed, but I think I'd vote for Fury.

I doubt Fury will take the Ngannou rematch now, or if he does it will be at the tail end of hic career after the AJ fight. Too much risk but if the money is right I'm sure he will. Ngannou should just fight some other top tier boxer. Maybe Wilder or Zhang would be a good match up. Maybe even Chisora too.

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To me it seems Ngannou is not part of the equation when it relates to the plan Fury hopes to have before he retires. I think both Fury and Joshua have expressed an interest to have a fight regardless of whether there were any titles on the line therefore maybe that will happen one day. As for now though, the pressure is on Fury because if he loses against Usyk, it will be difficult for him to continue in the sport.

To my knowledge the poll was never locked.

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The "next few years" could man anything between 2-9 years, so it's not so much of hinting t retirement as it is just stating the obvious.
But yeah, losing the rematch to Usyk will probably cripple his career if not end it. He could still be trying to get some high profile fights though, like one against AJ (if he didn't make it to get to/win the unification fight) or maybe a quick rematch against Ngannou, just to mak a statement and wash away the bad taste after their first fight.

Te poll is now closed, but I think I'd vote for Fury.

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Quote from: JollyGood on August 13, 2024, 03:05:16 AM

Tyson Fury: "I’ve been in love with boxing for such a long time – from being a little boy – and I’m probably at the end of my career in the next few years. It’s been a love-hate relationship."
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For the first time in an interview with Queensberry Boxing, Tyson Fury hinted at his retirement. As he gets older the inevitable was going to happen regardless but to hear him accepting he has a short time left in boxing was poignant. Before retiring he would probably want to beat Usyk to regain all the available titles and then beat the winner of the Dubois vs Joshua fight to take the IBF title and then maybe have one title defence before retiring.

For that reason, I suppose it means he should be fully focused on winning the rematch against Usyk in December 2024 otherwise his career will probably be over immediately.

The "next few years" could man anything between 2-9 years, so it's not so much of hinting t retirement as it is just stating the obvious.
But yeah, losing the rematch to Usyk will probably cripple his career if not end it. He could still be trying to get some high profile fights though, like one against AJ (if he didn't make it to get to/win the unification fight) or maybe a quick rematch against Ngannou, just to mak a statement and wash away the bad taste after their first fight.

Te poll is now closed, but I think I'd vote for Fury.

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Tyson Fury: "I’ve been in love with boxing for such a long time – from being a little boy – and I’m probably at the end of my career in the next few years. It’s been a love-hate relationship."

For the first time in an interview with Queensberry Boxing, Tyson Fury hinted at his retirement. As he gets older the inevitable was going to happen regardless but to hear him accepting he has a short time left in boxing was poignant. Before retiring he would probably want to beat Usyk to regain all the available titles and then beat the winner of the Dubois vs Joshua fight to take the IBF title and then maybe have one title defence before retiring.

For that reason, I suppose it means he should be fully focused on winning the rematch against Usyk in December 2024 otherwise his career will probably be over immediately.

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I cannot be the only one who looks at the poll and is surprised at how alarmingly one-sided it is. Like most others that posted here, I thought it was going to be far closer than what we are seeing at the moment and now it seems highly unlikely the gap will close. 70% voted for Usyk to win whereas just 25% voted for Fury.

Votes: 20
Fury: 5
Usyk: 14
Draw: 1

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I do not know what the financial terms would have been for the rematch but they would have been included in the original deal, meaning neither party would have been able to renegotiate them after the first fight was over. I think the percentage of the fight purse was the main stumbling block for the place not to have taken place earlier as Fury was asking for a bigger share but thankfully all that is in the past. Now we can look forward to rematch in December without either boxer pulling out citing the contract.

Quote from: Julien_Olynpic on August 06, 2024, 07:06:24 AM

The fight between Usyk and Fury in May 2024 was fantastic. I think we will enjoy the rematch even more later this year. It is interesting that Usyk managed to become the third absolute world champion in two weight classes in the era of four belts. Well, there was a lot of intrigue around the May fight. It seems that Fury's team insisted on a 50% fee even in case of a loss, which, apparently, was unacceptable to Usyk's team. I wonder what the financial conditions will be in the rematch? Usyk clearly had better technical preparation. He won, albeit by split decision, but quite fairly. Here it is necessary to mention that Usyk is shorter and weighed less at the weigh-in. I think that unless something incredible happens, Usyk's chances of winning the rematch are quite decent.

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The fight between Usyk and Fury in May 2024 was fantastic. I think we will enjoy the rematch even more later this year. It is interesting that Usyk managed to become the third absolute world champion in two weight classes in the era of four belts. Well, there was a lot of intrigue around the May fight. It seems that Fury's team insisted on a 50% fee even in case of a loss, which, apparently, was unacceptable to Usyk's team. I wonder what the financial conditions will be in the rematch? Usyk clearly had better technical preparation. He won, albeit by split decision, but quite fairly. Here it is necessary to mention that Usyk is shorter and weighed less at the weigh-in. I think that unless something incredible happens, Usyk's chances of winning the rematch are quite decent.

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I agree he was impressive in his previous fight and he is capable of mounting a world title challenge if he were to win his next 4-5 fights. In my opinion you put him a little higher that I would in that mix but he were to focus on the next few opponents then maybe he will get his chance. Zhang could not handle Parker but then heavily beat Wilder in his next fight, I do not know how to rate Zhang at the moment.

Right now though, it seems the momentum is with Fury, Usyk, Dubois and Joshua and others have to wait for the opportunity of fighting for a heavyweight title.

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Bakole was very impressive this past weekend. He showed that he has very heavy hands and beat a highly touted undefeated prospect. His name is now in the mix alongside Parker, Zhang, and Kabayel as one of those guys who is on the verge of challenging for a world title. He is very similar to Zhang because he is slow and doesn’t throw many punches. With his power he is capable of knocking anybody out, but his skills are not enough to win a decision against Usyk or Fury if it went the distance.

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