[ POLL ] The Unification Fight: FURY vs USYK 17th FEBRUARY 2024 - page 4.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on November 13, 2024, 12:31:36 PM

Wilder has now come out and stated he was fighting with a broken arm for the past two fights. He loves his excuses. https://www.boxingnews24.com/2024/11/deontay-wilder-defiant-amidst-criticism-and-excuses/

I recall Wilder holding his right arm in one of the fights (second or third) in the trilogy with Fury, clearly there was a serious problem because he could unable to throw any meaningful punches towards the latter part of the fight when that happened. If his injuries carried on in subsequent fights then he should not never have entered the ring until/unless fully healed. He really should not be making excuses for what happened in the past when he could have taken steps to ensure he only participated in bouts when he was fully fit and able.

Quote from: TravelMug on November 14, 2024, 04:07:27 AM

He lost in the first fight, so the adjustment should be on Fury and not on Usyk. The fight is not going on his way, even way before the knockdown. As far as I know, Usyk has been dominating him but he makes no adjustment in the entire fight.

I am confident we will see a different Fury in the ring when he faces Usyk for the rematch. Fury will make all the adjustments he needs to because he will be boxing as though his reputation and whole legacy depended on it and he will probably win. Usyk had the heart and tactics to win the first fight but he will not be able to withstand what Fury will throw at him in the rematch.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on November 08, 2024, 06:13:58 PM

Quote from: hilariousetc on November 08, 2024, 07:18:19 AM

I don't think Usyk has to change anything. It's more about what Fury has to change. (...)

It's funny because Fury said, in a recent interview, that he will not change anything. He said that the fight was going his way except for that knockdown. If not for that, he would have won on the judges scorecards. So, according to himself, all he has to do is fight the same way but avoid knockdown(s).
To be fair, it kind of makes sense.

He lost in the first fight, so the adjustment should be on Fury and not on Usyk. The fight is not going on his way, even way before the knockdown. As far as I know, Usyk has been dominating him but he makes no adjustment in the entire fight.

Just weird though as he has a good boxing IQ, but I guess he could be really lost the mind games pre-fight against Usyk. Because everything he throws to intimidate Usyk or get into his skin, is not working. And now we have seen during their pre-fight in this rematch, Fury is not talking that much as he knows that no matter what trash talking he did, Usyk is not moved.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on November 08, 2024, 06:13:58 PM

Quote from: hilariousetc on November 08, 2024, 07:18:19 AM

I don't think Usyk has to change anything. It's more about what Fury has to change. (...)

It's funny because Fury said, in a recent interview, that he will not change anything. He said that the fight was going his way except for that knockdown. If not for that, he would have won on the judges scorecards. So, according to himself, all he has to do is fight the same way but avoid knockdown(s).
To be fair, it kind of makes sense.

I wouldn't believe anything Fury says. In fact, when he says something I usually assume the opposite. He'd be pretty silly to go into this fight the exact same way as the exact same outcome will likely be expected. I think it's more likely that Fury doesn't want to give his game plan away so Usyk can't adapt to it. That would be the smart thing to do. Fury surely knows he needs to at least try something different. Maybe he might put on more weight or maybe he should work on his cardio. Either way I don't think either option is enough to beat Usyk. Usyk is too smart and agile to let Fury try bully him with his weight and hugging etc and he's not going to outpace him with cardio or endurance as Usyk has him beat there. I did think Fury would try play dirty in the first fight but he didn't. Maybe he should try that or test the ref with blows as low as he can go with being legal. We all know Usyk doesn't like the body shots so he should probably concentrate on that and if he can weaken him there capitalise on that.

Quote from: JollyGood on November 08, 2024, 08:41:24 AM

Even with the stunning record Wilder had before he met Fury for the first time in their trilogy, he was definitely not technically gifted and most would agree with your analogy about Wilder having devastating knockout punches (his record prior to meeting Fury cannot be denied). There is simply no comparison between Wilder and Usyk based on boxing skills alone because Usyk is technically superior however when it comes to knockout power punches, Wilder was hitting much harder.

Fury probably said that because the history of his trilogy had meaning and he nearly got knocked out in the first fight. He was seconds away from losing it when he stood up and continued boxing. I thought Fury won the fight and was robbed of victory when it was awarded as a dubious draw.

Wilder has now come out and stated he was fighting with a broken arm for the past two fights. He loves his excuses. https://www.boxingnews24.com/2024/11/deontay-wilder-defiant-amidst-criticism-and-excuses/

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Quote from: hilariousetc on November 08, 2024, 07:18:19 AM

I don't think Usyk has to change anything. It's more about what Fury has to change. (...)

It's funny because Fury said, in a recent interview, that he will not change anything. He said that the fight was going his way except for that knockdown. If not for that, he would have won on the judges scorecards. So, according to himself, all he has to do is fight the same way but avoid knockdown(s).
To be fair, it kind of makes sense.

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Even with the stunning record Wilder had before he met Fury for the first time in their trilogy, he was definitely not technically gifted and most would agree with your analogy about Wilder having devastating knockout punches (his record prior to meeting Fury cannot be denied). There is simply no comparison between Wilder and Usyk based on boxing skills alone because Usyk is technically superior however when it comes to knockout power punches, Wilder was hitting much harder.

Fury probably said that because the history of his trilogy had meaning and he nearly got knocked out in the first fight. He was seconds away from losing it when he stood up and continued boxing. I thought Fury won the fight and was robbed of victory when it was awarded as a dubious draw.

Quote from: hilariousetc on November 08, 2024, 07:18:19 AM

I don't think it's an insult, though take what Fury says with a pinch of salt. There's no way that Wilder is a better boxer than Usyk but he probably hits harder. In fact, it's kinda widely accepted that Wilder is not a great boxer, he's just a very heavy hitter with devastating knockout power and put Fury down numerous times. Usyk nearly knocked Fury down but was saved by the ref with a standing count as it was the ropes held him up. I'm kinda hoping Usyk gets the KO this time so there's no complaining from Fury that he thought he won. Whilst Fury has recently come out and said he was beaten fair and square that wasn't what he was saying before.

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Quote from: JollyGood on October 31, 2024, 02:55:21 AM

Though it was to be expected at some stage, Fury seems to have thrown an insult towards Usyk by claiming Wilder was his toughest opponent. He also stated that he took many best shots thrown by Usyk and instead of hitting the canvas he smiled back at Usyk. I do not think he was intentionally putting Usyk down, there is an element of honesty about what he Fury mentioned. If this was an attempt at mind games, I doubt this will get Usyk to change tactics in the rematch: Manchester Evening News

I don't think it's an insult, though take what Fury says with a pinch of salt. There's no way that Wilder is a better boxer than Usyk but he probably hits harder. In fact, it's kinda widely accepted that Wilder is not a great boxer, he's just a very heavy hitter with devastating knockout power and put Fury down numerous times. Usyk nearly knocked Fury down but was saved by the ref with a standing count as it was the ropes held him up. I'm kinda hoping Usyk gets the KO this time so there's no complaining from Fury that he thought he won. Whilst Fury has recently come out and said he was beaten fair and square that wasn't what he was saying before.

Quote from: TopTort777 on October 31, 2024, 06:46:39 AM

What was Usyk tactics that he is not going to change? I though he has got only one single strategy during all boxing career. Since Anatoly Lomachenko tough him and Vasily one tactics of huge number of punches and leaving attack line, Usyk has been doing it all the time. He has left Anatoly and returned to him. Everyone knows what Usyk is going to do, yet few managed to find a counter strategy to it. Dont think that Usyk is planning to "invent bicycle again" and show us something new. Usyk is 37. Few more years and it is time to retire from boxing. Huge doubts that in the end of his career he will become different, like aiming for one punch knockout in every next fight.

I don't think Usyk has to change anything. It's more about what Fury has to change. I think Fury will probably try get a KO this time and apply more pressure this time. Maybe do what I thought he would in the first fight and try weigh Usyk down but Usyk was too smart for it and didn't let fury get on top of him but Fury needs to try bully him a little otherwise it'll be the same outcome.

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What was Usyk tactics that he is not going to change? I though he has got only one single strategy during all boxing career. Since Anatoly Lomachenko tough him and Vasily one tactics of huge number of punches and leaving attack line, Usyk has been doing it all the time. He has left Anatoly and returned to him. Everyone knows what Usyk is going to do, yet few managed to find a counter strategy to it. Dont think that Usyk is planning to "invent bicycle again" and show us something new. Usyk is 37. Few more years and it is time to retire from boxing. Huge doubts that in the end of his career he will become different, like aiming for one punch knockout in every next fight.

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Though it was to be expected at some stage, Fury seems to have thrown an insult towards Usyk by claiming Wilder was his toughest opponent. He also stated that he took many best shots thrown by Usyk and instead of hitting the canvas he smiled back at Usyk. I do not think he was intentionally putting Usyk down, there is an element of honesty about what he Fury mentioned. If this was an attempt at mind games, I doubt this will get Usyk to change tactics in the rematch: Manchester Evening News

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Quote from: pawel7777 on October 25, 2024, 05:57:56 PM

He's an honest guy, I can't deny him that and that's what makes him likeable and relatable. But, at the same time, he's not coming across as very stable, you can have a different version of Fury depending on the day and his mood. One day he's humble and respectable, the other time - quite the opposite. So I think it might be hard for him to get into the right mindset on the fight day. Plus, he was really proud about his undefeated status so that loss might have made a big dent in his morale.

He is knows for his so-called outbursts (and what I would call attention-seeking). Sometimes he strings sentences along that are full of profanities rgarding his opponent and on other occasions he seems calm and wants to get down to business in the ring. That was part of what made Fury a very likeable boxers and person but at the end of the day he needs to get that transferred in to the ring when he fights Usyk otherwise his career could be over after back to back defeats.

Quote from: pawel7777 on October 25, 2024, 05:57:56 PM

Attempting to play mind games didn't work out best for him the last time around, so he should just stay 100% on the fight preparation.

This time he does seem more focused on what he is saying, maybe he is focusing 100% on the fight preparation with less two months to go.

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Quote from: JollyGood on October 25, 2024, 01:03:53 PM

There is no doubt about the mind games Fury gets up to when it comes to giving press conferences and acting during the weigh-in and face off but there is also a genuine down to earth side of him too. When was supportive of Joshua (after Dubois beat him) and the kind words he said about Wilder when he himself beat him, it shows there is more to Fury than just trash talking.

He's an honest guy, I can't deny him that and that's what makes him likeable and relatable. But, at the same time, he's not coming across as very stable, you can have a different version of Fury depending on the day and his mood. One day he's humble and respectable, the other time - quite the opposite. So I think it might be hard for him to get into the right mindset on the fight day. Plus, he was really proud about his undefeated status so that loss might have made a big dent in his morale.

Quote from: Baofeng on October 25, 2024, 06:25:32 AM

(...) And it is better for him to really just focus himself if he wanted to get back and avenge his defeat in the hands of Usyk.

Agree. Attempting to play mind games didn't work out best for him the last time around, so he should just stay 100% on the fight preparation.

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There is no doubt about the mind games Fury gets up to when it comes to giving press conferences and acting during the weigh-in and face off but there is also a genuine down to earth side of him too. When was supportive of Joshua (after Dubois beat him) and the kind words he said about Wilder when he himself beat him, it shows there is more to Fury than just trash talking.

In the face off against Usyk, he even refused to look at him and instead looked at the crowd and that was the first time I have even known a boxer to not bother looking at his opponent Grin

There is no doubt in the mind of Fury he will win the rematch and I believe he will beat Usyk too. If Fury fails to beat Usyk then I am convinced Dubois will knock him out if they meet in the ring again otherwise there will probably a Fury vs Usyk trilogy. Fury knows he needs to focus on the fight otherwise his career would probably be over.

Quote from: Baofeng on October 25, 2024, 06:25:32 AM

It's really unusual indeed, but then again, this could be just one of those mental games that Fury wants to play again, so yeah, mind games for him and see how Usyk is going to react. Or he might have that confident again as he has said, that in rematch, he always won the fight and so he just play it lightly in this press conference.

And maybe he is trying to convince us boxing fans that he will really win the rematch here. So he doesn't want to clown and showboat before the fight. And it is better for him to really just focus himself if he wanted to get back and avenge his defeat in the hands of Usyk.

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Quote from: JollyGood on October 24, 2024, 11:14:36 AM

Quote from: Baofeng on October 24, 2024, 05:35:54 AM

Yeah, at the end of it, he tries to trickle Usyk and he is like as friendly, and we haven't seen him with his other opponents as he usually trash talk them. But still no reaction from Usyk, as you have said, cold as ice and that's what he was known though.

Probably Fury has settled down in the last couple of months, already admitted that he lost the fight and everything was wrong for him going into that first fight. So most likely he is changing strategy here, trying to be jovial. But this is just the initial press conference and maybe once the fight gets closer, he might start attacking Usyk again with verbal jabs.

I need to watch this before commenting but if it played out that way, it would be highly unusual for Fury to do that. It is probably another attempt at playing mind games. Maybe he will be the complete opposite at further promotions and at the weigh-in.

It's really unusual indeed, but then again, this could be just one of those mental games that Fury wants to play again, so yeah, mind games for him and see how Usyk is going to react. Or he might have that confident again as he has said, that in rematch, he always won the fight and so he just play it lightly in this press conference.

And maybe he is trying to convince us boxing fans that he will really win the rematch here. So he doesn't want to clown and showboat before the fight. And it is better for him to really just focus himself if he wanted to get back and avenge his defeat in the hands of Usyk.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on October 23, 2024, 11:54:31 AM

Press conference is underway.

I was preoccupied with many things therefore did not know about this until it was mentioned in this thread. I think some of it was most probably down to me being busy away from the forum but there had to be an element of fatigue attached to it. We have all been waiting for the rematch and while we wait some of us do manage to lose a little interest. In the finals days before the fight takes place things will probably be different Grin

Quote from: Baofeng on October 24, 2024, 05:35:54 AM

Yeah, at the end of it, he tries to trickle Usyk and he is like as friendly, and we haven't seen him with his other opponents as he usually trash talk them. But still no reaction from Usyk, as you have said, cold as ice and that's what he was known though.

Probably Fury has settled down in the last couple of months, already admitted that he lost the fight and everything was wrong for him going into that first fight. So most likely he is changing strategy here, trying to be jovial. But this is just the initial press conference and maybe once the fight gets closer, he might start attacking Usyk again with verbal jabs.

I need to watch this before commenting but if it played out that way, it would be highly unusual for Fury to do that. It is probably another attempt at playing mind games. Maybe he will be the complete opposite at further promotions and at the weigh-in.

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Press conference is underway. It's just the undercard right now before the main headliners. Will be interesting to see if Fury ups the ante with the trash talk or tries to make it physical. I think he probably knows by now he can't get into Uysk's head but maybe he might try make it personal or rough him up a little in the face off to try rattle him a little. One thing I did expect from the first fight was for Fury to try make it dirty and use his weight to his advantage by leaning and grabbing on Usyk but he didn't really but mostly because Usyk is too skilled to let him do it. When Fury went in for a clinch Usyk usually saw it coming and danced around him.

No trash talk from Fury that we are expecting, except maybe saying that the Whoever he faced in the more than once has been knocked out in the rematch, so let's see if this will still holds true against Usyk.

Usyk though, coming in with dressed as the Hitman from the video game is really very scary.

So let's see what strategy be Fury using, as you have said, he didn't do any dirty tricks like he did against Wilder wherein he pushes all his weight on him early and Wilder's energy was sapped. Or uses more jab against the shorter Usyk. It might be the Usyk is too intelligent for Fury and we might see the same results here.

I didn't even recognise Usyk at first. I was like who the hell is this guy and then I realised who it was. He looked completely different with the shaved head. As cold as ice. He had a few funny lines in the press conference as well. At least Tyson is admitting defeat now and said he was beaten fair and square. He wasn't saying that two to three months ago and was making out like he was robbed by the judges. Quite unspectacular as a press conference other than the Hitman bit though. I did think Fury would try something but aside from the attempted tickling he was pretty jovial and relaxed. Maybe he might ramp it up closer to the fight.

Yeah, at the end of it, he tries to trickle Usyk and he is like as friendly, and we haven't seen him with his other opponents as he usually trash talk them. But still no reaction from Usyk, as you have said, cold as ice and that's what he was known though.

Probably Fury has settled down in the last couple of months, already admitted that he lost the fight and everything was wrong for him going into that first fight. So most likely he is changing strategy here, trying to be jovial. But this is just the initial press conference and maybe once the fight gets closer, he might start attacking Usyk again with verbal jabs.

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Quote from: Baofeng on October 23, 2024, 05:50:52 PM

Quote from: hilariousetc on October 23, 2024, 11:54:31 AM

https://www.youtube.com/live/zJEwWvJ7hBk?si=DRsgoeVfdrNx2-33

Press conference is underway. It's just the undercard right now before the main headliners. Will be interesting to see if Fury ups the ante with the trash talk or tries to make it physical. I think he probably knows by now he can't get into Uysk's head but maybe he might try make it personal or rough him up a little in the face off to try rattle him a little. One thing I did expect from the first fight was for Fury to try make it dirty and use his weight to his advantage by leaning and grabbing on Usyk but he didn't really but mostly because Usyk is too skilled to let him do it. When Fury went in for a clinch Usyk usually saw it coming and danced around him.

No trash talk from Fury that we are expecting, except maybe saying that the Whoever he faced in the more than once has been knocked out in the rematch, so let's see if this will still holds true against Usyk.

Usyk though, coming in with dressed as the Hitman from the video game is really very scary.

So let's see what strategy be Fury using, as you have said, he didn't do any dirty tricks like he did against Wilder wherein he pushes all his weight on him early and Wilder's energy was sapped. Or uses more jab against the shorter Usyk. It might be the Usyk is too intelligent for Fury and we might see the same results here.

I didn't even recognise Usyk at first. I was like who the hell is this guy and then I realised who it was. He looked completely different with the shaved head. As cold as ice. He had a few funny lines in the press conference as well. At least Tyson is admitting defeat now and said he was beaten fair and square. He wasn't saying that two to three months ago and was making out like he was robbed by the judges. Quite unspectacular as a press conference other than the Hitman bit though. I did think Fury would try something but aside from the attempted tickling he was pretty jovial and relaxed. Maybe he might ramp it up closer to the fight.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on October 23, 2024, 11:54:31 AM

https://www.youtube.com/live/zJEwWvJ7hBk?si=DRsgoeVfdrNx2-33

Press conference is underway. It's just the undercard right now before the main headliners. Will be interesting to see if Fury ups the ante with the trash talk or tries to make it physical. I think he probably knows by now he can't get into Uysk's head but maybe he might try make it personal or rough him up a little in the face off to try rattle him a little. One thing I did expect from the first fight was for Fury to try make it dirty and use his weight to his advantage by leaning and grabbing on Usyk but he didn't really but mostly because Usyk is too skilled to let him do it. When Fury went in for a clinch Usyk usually saw it coming and danced around him.

No trash talk from Fury that we are expecting, except maybe saying that the Whoever he faced in the more than once has been knocked out in the rematch, so let's see if this will still holds true against Usyk.

Usyk though, coming in with dressed as the Hitman from the video game is really very scary.

So let's see what strategy be Fury using, as you have said, he didn't do any dirty tricks like he did against Wilder wherein he pushes all his weight on him early and Wilder's energy was sapped. Or uses more jab against the shorter Usyk. It might be the Usyk is too intelligent for Fury and we might see the same results here.

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Press conference is underway. It's just the undercard right now before the main headliners. Will be interesting to see if Fury ups the ante with the trash talk or tries to make it physical. I think he probably knows by now he can't get into Uysk's head but maybe he might try make it personal or rough him up a little in the face off to try rattle him a little. One thing I did expect from the first fight was for Fury to try make it dirty and use his weight to his advantage by leaning and grabbing on Usyk but he didn't really but mostly because Usyk is too skilled to let him do it. When Fury went in for a clinch Usyk usually saw it coming and danced around him.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on October 18, 2024, 04:02:38 PM

Not a bad match to be honest. Even if both of them lost their drive and abilities, one of them would have to win meaning they'll regain some of the hype and would be back in the game. That's unless they were to give a very boring fight.
Wilder's manager has cut the speculation about Wilder's retirement and there are rumours he might move to the bridgerweight (aka super cruiserweight):
https://talksport.com/boxing/2162251/deontay-wilder-kevin-lerena-weight-world-champion-retirement/

Before Wilder lost to Fury, I was always confident Wilder would knockout Joshua if that fight ever took place. Even now after being beaten by Parker) I am confident Joshua would probably be knocked out if he went in the ring with Wilder. I just do not see how Joshua will ever be taken seriously again as a heavyweight boxer no matter who he fights (after the manner in which Dubois destroyed him).

Quote from: hilariousetc on October 21, 2024, 12:29:17 PM

Well, Usyk won quite comfortably in the first one and the ref stopped him from getting a KO so I expect a similar result this time and maybe Usyk will get a KO for definite next time around. On the flip side, Fury will know what to expect now so may need to go for broke and try get a KO himself. He knows a loss will put him out of reach at a shot at the belt for a long time so needs to go hell for leather to try knock Usyk out but easier said than done.

That is precisely what I think Fury will do (especially after he saw the damage Dubois did to Joshua with a stunning punch in the first round) because that might be the only way he will be able to dismantle Usyk and win the fight. I think Fury will start the rematch in the same way Dubois started his fight against Joshua.

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Quote from: JollyGood on August 10, 2024, 01:57:36 PM

I cannot be the only one who looks at the poll and is surprised at how alarmingly one-sided it is. Like most others that posted here, I thought it was going to be far closer than what we are seeing at the moment and now it seems highly unlikely the gap will close. 70% voted for Usyk to win whereas just 25% voted for Fury.

Votes: 20
Fury: 5
Usyk: 14
Draw: 1

Well, Usyk won quite comfortably in the first one and the ref stopped him from getting a KO so I expect a similar result this time and maybe Usyk will get a KO for definite next time around. On the flip side, Fury will know what to expect now so may need to go for broke and try get a KO himself. He knows a loss will put him out of reach at a shot at the belt for a long time so needs to go hell for leather to try knock Usyk out but easier said than done. It won't be a bad thing for him though as still the most lucrative fight in the Fury/AJ one. If he loses he should just concentrate on the big money fights and crossovers like the Ngannou fight as he probably only has a few left in him and boxers deteriorate quickly at his age/when they're pushing 40.

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He can take on a tune up fight in the meantime.

If Joshua carried on boxing, who would he fight? Without a doubt Parker and Zhang are ahead of him and with no incentive to fight him they are probably going to avoid him as they try for a title fight themselves. If Wilder has the desire to carry on then that could be a potential fight but both of them have lost their spark. Even in a potential Wilder vs Joshua fight, I think Joshua could go and win it only on a points decision whereas Wilder could knock him out before it gets to the judges scorecard.

For a tune up fight he'll probably just fight someone mediocre just to keep off the ring rust. Wilder would be a good fight but very risky for AJ if he loses. Parker and Zhang are dangerous for anybody and most boxers will avoid them like the plague. The best for AJ is either just wait for the Fury fight or just take an easy fight to stay active. I still think he can beat Dubois much like he won the rematch against Ruiz.

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Quote from: JollyGood on October 17, 2024, 03:24:50 PM

(...) If Wilder has the desire to carry on then that could be a potential fight but both of them have lost their spark. Even in a potential Wilder vs Joshua fight, I think Joshua could go and win it only on a points decision whereas Wilder could knock him out before it gets to the judges scorecard.

Not a bad match to be honest. Even if both of them lost their drive and abilities, one of them would have to win meaning they'll regain some of the hype and would be back in the game. That's unless they were to give a very boring fight.
Wilder's manager has cut the speculation about Wilder's retirement and there are rumours he might move to the bridgerweight (aka super cruiserweight):
https://talksport.com/boxing/2162251/deontay-wilder-kevin-lerena-weight-world-champion-retirement/

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