[ POLL ] The Unification Fight: FURY vs USYK 17th FEBRUARY 2024 - page 10.

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Usyk has to be hungry to win the rematch. He already has a reason to win the rematch because he wanted to become undisputed again at cruiserweight. Whether he can still do it or not, he has to win one fight at a time. In this fight, it's about who controls the ring. Usyk in the rematch will not just try to win rounds but to knock Fury out. He already went 12 rounds and knew he can hurt Fury. If Fury came up too heavy, maybe Usyk cannot stop him but if Fury tries to enter the rematch lighter to gain some speed, Usyk will stop him.

Quote from: JollyGood on June 14, 2024, 03:20:05 AM

Maybe I am feeling Fury will win because in the back of my mind I am hoping for a trilogy Grin

Having said that, when you put two very powerful and determined boxers in the ring, anything could happen. Regardless of the world titles on the line, a winner could literally be just one uppercut, hook or surprise punch away. Usyk deserved the win on the day but will he be as hungry and determined in the rematch as much as he was in their unification bout?

As for Fury, if he is determined to set the record straight maybe Usyk will not be able to withstand that sort of pressure and that is why boxing fans are eagerly awaiting for the rematch.

Quote from: LogitechMouse on June 13, 2024, 11:28:30 PM

He has a chance. I mean he didn't become a world champion if he can't win against other strong fighters like Usyk. I believe he can, but with I'm rooting with Usyk to win on their rematch still.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on June 13, 2024, 10:31:59 AM

Quote from: hilariousetc on June 12, 2024, 10:21:36 AM

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/28421010/tyson-fury-escorted-out-of-pub-bouncers-collapse-outside/

Tyson was kicked out of a club on Friday for being drunk. He then collapsed on the floor outside which was caught on video: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xS2Jh7dNtQY

If this is a one off then I shouldn't look too much into it but is he going to go off the rails again? Not a good look if he's going to be facing Usyk again later this year.

Hopefully that was only a one-off thing. But if that's true that he didn't drink in over a year, then it doesn't look like a good time to start.
I'm not sure if that was due to not coping with the loss too well or not, but the truth is, he was taking a lot of pride from being undefeated and that was taken away from him.
He was also emphasising his Christian faith a lot, often claiming it was the source of his success, but Usyk seemed to "outperform" him in that area too (if we could say that at all). From the outside perspective, Usyk looks much more devoted and serious in his faith.

And there is this video of Fury saying that he is back in the gym and trying to redeem himself,

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6QLi-LS9IC4

Not sure though if this is before or after the video that surfaces about him drunk from a club and obviously can't stand up by himself. Or maybe His Excellency Turki Alalshikh called him up and advises him to go back to the gym and train for the rematch.

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If Usyk wins the rematch he could easily take the path you suggested and retire to spend time with his family because he would have nothing else to prove to anybody. The dilemma he would face about retirement is to be addressed by Usyk after the winner of the rematch is announced. They had a two-fight deal therefore regardless of who wins the rematch there will not be a compulsory trilogy. Having said that I am sure in the event Usyk loses, their teams will ensure a trilogy takes place.

Quote from: TopTort777 on June 14, 2024, 04:41:10 AM

Better think about split draw and a trilogy like against Wilder Cheesy

But Fury should think quick and take decisions quick, as I dont know how much longer Usyk will be motivated to fight. He has got all belts already, got all belts in cruiserweight, Olympic games gold medal, World championship gold medal, money, undefeated. What is the reason for him to continue fighting? He has 4 kids, make a title defence and better spend rest of the time with them Cheesy

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Quote from: JollyGood on June 14, 2024, 03:20:05 AM

Maybe I am feeling Fury will win because in the back of my mind I am hoping for a trilogy Grin

Having said that, when you put two very powerful and determined boxers in the ring, anything could happen. Regardless of the world titles on the line, a winner could literally be just one uppercut, hook or surprise punch away. Usyk deserved the win on the day but will he be as hungry and determined in the rematch as much as he was in their unification bout?

As for Fury, if he is determined to set the record straight maybe Usyk will not be able to withstand that sort of pressure and that is why boxing fans are eagerly awaiting for the rematch.

Quote from: LogitechMouse on June 13, 2024, 11:28:30 PM

He has a chance. I mean he didn't become a world champion if he can't win against other strong fighters like Usyk. I believe he can, but with I'm rooting with Usyk to win on their rematch still.

Better think about split draw and a trilogy like against Wilder Cheesy

But Fury should think quick and take decisions quick, as I dont know how much longer Usyk will be motivated to fight. He has got all belts already, got all belts in cruiserweight, Olympic games gold medal, World championship gold medal, money, undefeated. What is the reason for him to continue fighting? He has 4 kids, make a title defence and better spend rest of the time with them Cheesy

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Maybe I am feeling Fury will win because in the back of my mind I am hoping for a trilogy Grin

Having said that, when you put two very powerful and determined boxers in the ring, anything could happen. Regardless of the world titles on the line, a winner could literally be just one uppercut, hook or surprise punch away. Usyk deserved the win on the day but will he be as hungry and determined in the rematch as much as he was in their unification bout?

As for Fury, if he is determined to set the record straight maybe Usyk will not be able to withstand that sort of pressure and that is why boxing fans are eagerly awaiting for the rematch.

Quote from: LogitechMouse on June 13, 2024, 11:28:30 PM

He has a chance. I mean he didn't become a world champion if he can't win against other strong fighters like Usyk. I believe he can, but with I'm rooting with Usyk to win on their rematch still.

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Quote from: JollyGood on June 11, 2024, 02:17:31 AM

Quote from: LogitechMouse on June 11, 2024, 01:46:31 AM

Fury has the power, but Usyk has the power + the speed, so I will go with Usyk with this one again and retain his belt, but I will not be surprised if we will see a trilogy on this one.

Therefore you believe Fury could win?

He has a chance. I mean he didn't become a world champion if he can't win against other strong fighters like Usyk. I believe he can, but with I'm rooting with Usyk to win on their rematch still.

Quote from: hilariousetc on June 12, 2024, 10:21:36 AM

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/28421010/tyson-fury-escorted-out-of-pub-bouncers-collapse-outside/

Tyson was kicked out of a club on Friday for being drunk. He then collapsed on the floor outside which was caught on video: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xS2Jh7dNtQY

If this is a one off then I shouldn't look too much into it but is he going to go off the rails again? Not a good look if he's going to be facing Usyk again later this year.

It was said on the video that he hasn't drink liquor for more than a year, so I guess this action of him is partly because of his defeat against Usyk. Anyway, people will just forget about what happened with him after a few weeks that's for sure, but with what happened of him on this one, I hope that he's ready with criticisms and bashes from his fans and other boxing fans as well.

As for his fight, I don't think that it will get affected just because of this incident. He can recover in months... I think.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on June 12, 2024, 10:21:36 AM

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/28421010/tyson-fury-escorted-out-of-pub-bouncers-collapse-outside/

Tyson was kicked out of a club on Friday for being drunk. He then collapsed on the floor outside which was caught on video: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xS2Jh7dNtQY

If this is a one off then I shouldn't look too much into it but is he going to go off the rails again? Not a good look if he's going to be facing Usyk again later this year.

Usyk has also been cast in his first Hollywood film playing an Ukrainian MMA fighter also starring The Rock in the main lead: https://www.thesportster.com/dwayne-the-rock-johnson-oleksandr-usyk-cast-the-smashing-machine/

We will have to wait and see, if he is just venting a little bit then there is nothing to worry about, after all who has not taken a few drinks after a difficult day at work? Fury just had the worst day of his career so he is justified to take some time to straight his mind before the rematch with Usyk, however he is not going to have a lot of time to do this, so he needs to refocus and concentrate completely on the fight, as that is the only way he will have a chance to recover the belts he lost.

I saw that video too and my initial reaction is that Fury might have lost it again mentally. I'm sure we are all familiar with him going into a lot of problems before, suffering from mental health and it was one of his darkest day. And I'm seeing here another bout of his with that inner demon that he is going to fight specially after losing the first time against Usyk.

And hopefully people around him, his family should try and salvage him this early because they will have a rematch and who knows, maybe their is also drugs that can be involved here that will really dampen his hope to win the rematch.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on June 13, 2024, 10:31:59 AM

Quote from: hilariousetc on June 12, 2024, 10:21:36 AM

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/28421010/tyson-fury-escorted-out-of-pub-bouncers-collapse-outside/

Tyson was kicked out of a club on Friday for being drunk. He then collapsed on the floor outside which was caught on video: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xS2Jh7dNtQY

If this is a one off then I shouldn't look too much into it but is he going to go off the rails again? Not a good look if he's going to be facing Usyk again later this year.

Hopefully that was only a one-off thing. But if that's true that he didn't drink in over a year, then it doesn't look like a good time to start.
I'm not sure if that was due to not coping with the loss too well or not, but the truth is, he was taking a lot of pride from being undefeated and that was taken away from him.
He was also emphasising his Christian faith a lot, often claiming it was the source of his success, but Usyk seemed to "outperform" him in that area too (if we could say that at all). From the outside perspective, Usyk looks much more devoted and serious in his faith.

I don't think this is a one-off thing, there were stories in the past about him this way as well, he was taking drugs and alcohol. He is just not handling the loss too well. A lot of these fighters have been on top and undefeated for a while thinking no one can defeat them and then somebody just shut them off and pull their asses down from their high horse and got depressed when they looked at the internet comments about them. Seems a pattern people with tremendous pride have been going through when they lose friends.

The last time, it was also postponed because of him. Would you be confident enough to put your money on this December? We are yet not sure how he'd look like.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on June 12, 2024, 10:21:36 AM

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/28421010/tyson-fury-escorted-out-of-pub-bouncers-collapse-outside/

Tyson was kicked out of a club on Friday for being drunk. He then collapsed on the floor outside which was caught on video: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xS2Jh7dNtQY

If this is a one off then I shouldn't look too much into it but is he going to go off the rails again? Not a good look if he's going to be facing Usyk again later this year.

Hopefully that was only a one-off thing. But if that's true that he didn't drink in over a year, then it doesn't look like a good time to start.
I'm not sure if that was due to not coping with the loss too well or not, but the truth is, he was taking a lot of pride from being undefeated and that was taken away from him.
He was also emphasising his Christian faith a lot, often claiming it was the source of his success, but Usyk seemed to "outperform" him in that area too (if we could say that at all). From the outside perspective, Usyk looks much more devoted and serious in his faith.

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Just imagine what people would say if Fury went further downhill and lost the plot completely whereas Usyk ends up being stereotype cast in movies where he plays the character of a boxer, fighter, bodyguard etc.

If this is a one-off he will recover from it and be in top shape for his rematch but I hope this is not a sign of things to come. Both of these boxers have a lucrative career away from the boxing ring when they retire but they have ensure they do not stray on to a bad path.

Quote from: hilariousetc on June 12, 2024, 10:21:36 AM

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/28421010/tyson-fury-escorted-out-of-pub-bouncers-collapse-outside/

Tyson was kicked out of a club on Friday for being drunk. He then collapsed on the floor outside which was caught on video: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xS2Jh7dNtQY

If this is a one off then I shouldn't look too much into it but is he going to go off the rails again? Not a good look if he's going to be facing Usyk again later this year.

Usyk has also been cast in his first Hollywood film playing an Ukrainian MMA fighter also starring The Rock in the main lead: https://www.thesportster.com/dwayne-the-rock-johnson-oleksandr-usyk-cast-the-smashing-machine/

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Quote from: hilariousetc on June 12, 2024, 10:21:36 AM

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/28421010/tyson-fury-escorted-out-of-pub-bouncers-collapse-outside/

Tyson was kicked out of a club on Friday for being drunk. He then collapsed on the floor outside which was caught on video: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xS2Jh7dNtQY

If this is a one off then I shouldn't look too much into it but is he going to go off the rails again? Not a good look if he's going to be facing Usyk again later this year.

Usyk has also been cast in his first Hollywood film playing an Ukrainian MMA fighter also starring The Rock in the main lead: https://www.thesportster.com/dwayne-the-rock-johnson-oleksandr-usyk-cast-the-smashing-machine/

We will have to wait and see, if he is just venting a little bit then there is nothing to worry about, after all who has not taken a few drinks after a difficult day at work? Fury just had the worst day of his career so he is justified to take some time to straight his mind before the rematch with Usyk, however he is not going to have a lot of time to do this, so he needs to refocus and concentrate completely on the fight, as that is the only way he will have a chance to recover the belts he lost.

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https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/28421010/tyson-fury-escorted-out-of-pub-bouncers-collapse-outside/

Tyson was kicked out of a club on Friday for being drunk. He then collapsed on the floor outside which was caught on video: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xS2Jh7dNtQY

If this is a one off then I shouldn't look too much into it but is he going to go off the rails again? Not a good look if he's going to be facing Usyk again later this year.

Usyk has also been cast in his first Hollywood film playing an Ukrainian MMA fighter also starring The Rock in the main lead: https://www.thesportster.com/dwayne-the-rock-johnson-oleksandr-usyk-cast-the-smashing-machine/

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on June 11, 2024, 01:23:32 AM

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Either I incorrectly translate or understand word meltdown, but isnt it when person goes crazy? The moment when he got bipolar disorder? The moment when he had alcohol addiction. The moment when he was so depressed, that he wanted to crash his car and commit a suicide? Last two fights shows that Fury isnt Fury used to be. There is something with his head definitely. Knockdown from Ngannou, knockdown and save by ref in fight against Usyk. What would we get from third fight? A knockout?

Fury has considerable wear and tear but he is not completely shot. If he were, Usyk wouldn’t have been so bruised up the next day. Without the knockdown, the fight would have been a 3-way split draw. It was close enough that Fury deserves some benefit of the doubt. He could make some adjustments that could result in a different outcome. I wouldn’t favor Fury in the rematch but it isn’t a foregone conclusion that Usyk will win again.

Yeap, this fight was close enough until one person knocked down other. What I see is that Fury degrade from fight to fight. Close fight but was in knockdown in last fight. Was in knockdown the fight before that. Finished Chisora only in 10th round, while Derek is 40 and lost to all other top opponents (lets just agree that Chisora isnt top anymore). Not saying that Usyk is only gaining on a contrast to Fury, but I doubt that we will see a better or new version of Fury in their rematch.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on June 11, 2024, 01:46:31 AM

Fury might have a longer reach, but Usyk is faster than him. I voted for Usyk.

Fury is bigger and has a lot of advantages on his side but not only is Usyk a little faster, he seems to be technically the better boxer too. Maybe it was a wrong decision for Fury to lose that much weight before the fight and maybe he will return heavier for the rematch.

Quote from: LogitechMouse on June 11, 2024, 01:46:31 AM

The problem with Fury is most of the time, his face is wide open, and I also saw this against Wilder, but his throwing many punches that has no power at all. Just look at how he got knocked down in the 9th round. He landed so many weak punches that left him wide open, and Usyk took advantage on it by throwing a right hook followed by a left hook that caused him to wobble, and eventually knocked down. If he will do it again in their rematch, it will be the same result. I hope Fury will not do it again.

After 9 rounds many boxers can get tired and lower their guard at the wrong time but Usyk did well in that round. If Fury had managed to press in rounds 4-6 instead of taking a step back he would have won the fight on a TKO. During those rounds it was almost all about Fury but the final four rounds it was almost all about Usyk. Fury often fights with his mouth wide open at times and it did very well for his career even with the Usyk defeat Grin

Quote from: LogitechMouse on June 11, 2024, 01:46:31 AM

Fury has the power, but Usyk has the power + the speed, so I will go with Usyk with this one again and retain his belt, but I will not be surprised if we will see a trilogy on this one.

Therefore you believe Fury could win?

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Quote from: TopTort777 on June 06, 2024, 06:04:34 AM

Quote from: JollyGood on June 06, 2024, 05:38:25 AM

Just five votes have been cast in the rematch poll and we are on 4 for Fury and 1 for Usyk.

There is something in the air about Fury possibly getting a stunning victory to exact revenge for the loss he suffered last month. Put it this way, if Usyk wins that would be the end of the matter but if Fury wins, both boxers and their teams will have to go where the money goes and will lead to a blockbuster trilogy.

We need more votes in the poll Grin

Made some correction in poll Cheesy

Who are those 4 that expect Fury to win? From the fight I saw, it did not look that Fury got something special, ace in the hole or Usyk won unfair. I just dont get what are in peoples mind. They think that Fury will not train twice as hard, but Usyk would chill till December and would not make any correction in tactics. People probably think that "yeah, now Fury has learned Usyk and know what to expect". Usyk now knows Fury also and I suspect, that this time he wont let him go in the ropes and no judge would help him.

After fight against Usyk, AJ also told that he would be ready for a rematch. But it all ended with split and "how did you beat me?".

Fury might have a longer reach, but Usyk is faster than him. I voted for Usyk.

The problem with Fury is most of the time, his face is wide open, and I also saw this against Wilder, but his throwing many punches that has no power at all. Just look at how he got knocked down in the 9th round. He landed so many weak punches that left him wide open, and Usyk took advantage on it by throwing a right hook followed by a left hook that caused him to wobble, and eventually knocked down. If he will do it again in their rematch, it will be the same result. I hope Fury will not do it again.

Fury has the power, but Usyk has the power + the speed, so I will go with Usyk with this one again and retain his belt, but I will not be surprised if we will see a trilogy on this one.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on June 10, 2024, 03:18:10 AM

Either I incorrectly translate or understand word meltdown, but isnt it when person goes crazy? The moment when he got bipolar disorder? The moment when he had alcohol addiction. The moment when he was so depressed, that he wanted to crash his car and commit a suicide? Last two fights shows that Fury isnt Fury used to be. There is something with his head definitely. Knockdown from Ngannou, knockdown and save by ref in fight against Usyk. What would we get from third fight? A knockout?

Fury has considerable wear and tear but he is not completely shot. If he were, Usyk wouldn’t have been so bruised up the next day. Without the knockdown, the fight would have been a 3-way split draw. It was close enough that Fury deserves some benefit of the doubt. He could make some adjustments that could result in a different outcome. I wouldn’t favor Fury in the rematch but it isn’t a foregone conclusion that Usyk will win again.

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I understand. Yes, it is true Fury had a lot of mental health issues and he suffered a lot. If I recall correctly his body weight increased to dangerous levels and he was losing the will the live. Thankfully with the support of a strong family and loving caring wife he managed to get himself back to a great mental and physical level which saw him defeat Wilder.

As for the knockdowns, if he does get counted out by the referee I am fairly certain the count of 10 would be while climbed back up on his feet, he would not be getting knocked out cols on the canvas. Still, I think Fury could win the rematch and take this to a trilogy.

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Either I incorrectly translate or understand word meltdown, but isnt it when person goes crazy? The moment when he got bipolar disorder? The moment when he had alcohol addiction. The moment when he was so depressed, that he wanted to crash his car and commit a suicide? Last two fights shows that Fury isnt Fury used to be. There is something with his head definitely. Knockdown from Ngannou, knockdown and save by ref in fight against Usyk. What would we get from third fight? A knockout?

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Quote from: JollyGood on June 08, 2024, 12:57:59 PM

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But wait, Fury is famous for having meltdowns.

I never saw Fury have a meltdown before, I have seen him come out with a whole lot of funny rants during interviews and crazy behaviour to grab the attention and headlines. Personally, I think most of what he does is for the cameras and is very well choreographed therefore not spontaneous but I could be wrong maybe they were meltdowns Grin

Either I incorrectly translate or understand word meltdown, but isnt it when person goes crazy? The moment when he got bipolar disorder? The moment when he had alcohol addiction. The moment when he was so depressed, that he wanted to crash his car and commit a suicide? Last two fights shows that Fury isnt Fury used to be. There is something with his head definitely. Knockdown from Ngannou, knockdown and save by ref in fight against Usyk. What would we get from third fight? A knockout?

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Quote from: inthelongrun on June 08, 2024, 08:52:42 PM

Anyways, I can see an easier win by Usyk over Fury in the rematch. Fury can trim himself down to be gain some speed but still not enough or he can gain more weight to absorb Usyk's punches but he'll be slower. I think AJ will beat Dubois. Dubois would've lost to Hrgovic and he will be stopped if there's a rematch. But Usyk if he wins over Fury and decides to continue fighting, he wanted to drop down back to cruiserweight and tries to become undisputed again which I doubt happens considering his age.

It has happened, the poll is now showing more votes for Usyk to win rather than for Fury to win (it currently stands at 5 for Usyk and 4 for Fury) therefore a slim majority at the moment agree with your views about Usyk winning the rematch. I think it will be a lot closer than people think. Fury will be extremely anxious to win the rematch and take this to a financially lucrative trilogy but keeping the money factor aside, I think Fury will be hurt by this defeat therefore the only redemption he probably sees for his ego and bragging rights would be a win.

Usyk obviously will have other idea and expects to win the rematch but sometimes matters to not unfold according to the game plan. Whatever happens it will be a good fight to watch.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on June 08, 2024, 05:47:49 AM

OK, so I was wrong and the IBF introduced the interim belt and put it on the line in Hrgovic Vs Dubois.
I'm not sure if that means that Usyk is now more or less likely to get stripped. Maybe he won't get stripped, but the purpose of interim belts was always to act as a replacement for when the original champ is unable to fight. But, if the IBF decides not to take it away from Usyk, we'll have a situation where we'll have 2 IBF title defences in parallel, one for the normal belt, and one for the interim one. So that would be quite a departure from what you'd normally expect to see.

And if Usyk wins the rematch with Fury, I have my doubts if he'll be interested in fighting the winner of Dubois Vs AJ, as he already fought both of them fairly recently (AJ twice). If Fury comes on the top in the rematch, a fight between him and Joshua (if he wins as well) would be a big one and long overdue.

I would've preferred if the IBF just follow its rules but as I also mentioned earlier, they're no longer that firm since Daryl Peoples assumed leadership. If I'm Dubois and I wanted the title shot badly, I'd be more worried that I am holding the IBF interim now, there can be more excuses for the real champion not to fight just like the case of Benavidez and the other interim belt holders in the past.

Anyways, I can see an easier win by Usyk over Fury in the rematch. Fury can trim himself down to be gain some speed but still not enough or he can gain more weight to absorb Usyk's punches but he'll be slower. I think AJ will beat Dubois. Dubois would've lost to Hrgovic and he will be stopped if there's a rematch. But Usyk if he wins over Fury and decides to continue fighting, he wanted to drop down back to cruiserweight and tries to become undisputed again which I doubt happens considering his age.

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