[ POLL ] The Unification Fight: FURY vs USYK 17th FEBRUARY 2024 - page 10.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on March 28, 2024, 10:53:42 AM

It's a 50/50 fight for me. I either think Fury will get a KO or Usyk will win on points, but I've got a feeling it could be a boring match it both fighters are just trying to win it on points, especially as they will both know there's a two-sided rematch clause so either fighter can just learn from their mistakes from the first match.

Sometimes the fights that are supposed to be blockbusters end up being the complete opposite. If they both fight to cautious extremes it could end up being a boring fight but I guess we will have to wait for it to take place before coming to any conclusion. It is after all the first heavyweight unification fight since 1999.

Quote from: hilariousetc on March 28, 2024, 10:53:42 AM

I wonder when they're gonna start ramping up the promo for this because it's become quiet again. No press conferences or undercard announced yet. Both fighters have also been silent on the promo.

Lack of hype and promotion really does not help but that is secondary to the fact an historic moment is about to happen.

Quote from: Baofeng on March 28, 2024, 11:12:06 AM

Stake had it 1.85 for Fury and 1.89 for Usyk.

In all honesty, the fight really is far too close to call. On the day and any given day, either of these two boxers can tip the balance in their favour and win.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on March 28, 2024, 10:53:42 AM

Quote from: JollyGood on March 16, 2024, 12:48:51 PM

It seems widely accepted by fans and pundits that it will be a close fight. In testament to Fury, he did brilliantly against Wilder in all three fights but it seems it might have taken a lot out of him in terms of motivation. After that trilogy he seemed to have fallen in to a flat period where he was unable to have momentum on his side. Yes he won the subsequent fights but how many of those victories had the authority of a champion?

It's a 50/50 fight for me. I either think Fury will get a KO or Usyk will win on points, but I've got a feeling it could be a boring match it both fighters are just trying to win it on points, especially as they will both know there's a two-sided rematch clause so either fighter can just learn from their mistakes from the first match. The only thing that could spice it up is Tyson could probably play dirty if Uysk is clearly beating him, which is certainly a possibility. Expect some low blows and elbows. Skybet currently have Fury as the slight favourite at 1.83 to Usyk's 2.00.

I wonder when they're gonna start ramping up the promo for this because it's become quiet again. No press conferences or undercard announced yet. Both fighters have also been silent on the promo.

Stake had it 1.85 for Fury and 1.89 for Usyk. Yeah, it could be both fighters are going to be very careful in the beginning unless Fury started hot like in the Wilder fight and really wanted to stomped his class against Usyk.

But Usyk is also very technical so it's hard for Fury to used that tactics as Usyk knows that, so no clinching for him and he wants the fight to be in the middle. I also haven't hears anything yet, it will be April next week so most likely they are working hard in the gym for now.

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Quote from: JollyGood on March 16, 2024, 12:48:51 PM

It seems widely accepted by fans and pundits that it will be a close fight. In testament to Fury, he did brilliantly against Wilder in all three fights but it seems it might have taken a lot out of him in terms of motivation. After that trilogy he seemed to have fallen in to a flat period where he was unable to have momentum on his side. Yes he won the subsequent fights but how many of those victories had the authority of a champion?

It's a 50/50 fight for me. I either think Fury will get a KO or Usyk will win on points, but I've got a feeling it could be a boring match it both fighters are just trying to win it on points, especially as they will both know there's a two-sided rematch clause so either fighter can just learn from their mistakes from the first match. The only thing that could spice it up is Tyson could probably play dirty if Uysk is clearly beating him, which is certainly a possibility. Expect some low blows and elbows. Skybet currently have Fury as the slight favourite at 1.83 to Usyk's 2.00.

I wonder when they're gonna start ramping up the promo for this because it's become quiet again. No press conferences or undercard announced yet. Both fighters have also been silent on the promo.

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I had not thought about this possibility as an outcome for when Fury and Usyk eventually get in the ring on 18th May 2024 (to have the heavyweight unification title fight that most boxing fans want to see) but Ricky Hatton suggested the could be over in a stoppage win for Usyk if the wound over the eye opens up during their clash. There is no suggestion Usyk will deliberately try to target that wound but it should have healed by that stage to the point it should not re-open easily.

Keeping that aside, footage of Fury training for the fight has gone viral as fans think Usyk will be in trouble when they meet in the ring because Fury seems to be in peak condition and fully focused on winning.

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It seems widely accepted by fans and pundits that it will be a close fight. In testament to Fury, he did brilliantly against Wilder in all three fights but it seems it might have taken a lot out of him in terms of motivation. After that trilogy he seemed to have fallen in to a flat period where he was unable to have momentum on his side. Yes he won the subsequent fights but how many of those victories had the authority of a champion?

Quote from: TravelMug on March 15, 2024, 10:48:27 PM

Yeah, probably after that performance of Tyson Fury against Ngannou, Usyk could have been more motivated than ever and see in his mind that he can beat Fury. And this could also be what the boxing community sees as well, that's why we shouldn't be surprised as the fight gets closer, Usyk could be the slight favorite as he is now inching closer with just couple of odds separating them. But so far our boxing fans here still has Fury as majority favorite.

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Quote from: JollyGood on March 15, 2024, 07:26:10 PM

The poll in this thread stands at 15 votes:

Fury win = 10
Usyk win = 5
Draw = 0

I think over time it will tilt more towards Usyk therefore will almost level out but Fury will just edge it and remain favourite. After the way Ngannou shocked him, Fury must be thinking seriously about how to make sure Usyk does not get a good start in the fight.

As for Usyk, his confidence must be high after he saw Fury knocked down by Ngannou but even he knows it will take an extremely special performance to beat Fury.

Yeah, probably after that performance of Tyson Fury against Ngannou, Usyk could have been more motivated than ever and see in his mind that he can beat Fury. And this could also be what the boxing community sees as well, that's why we shouldn't be surprised as the fight gets closer, Usyk could be the slight favorite as he is now inching closer with just couple of odds separating them. But so far our boxing fans here still has Fury as majority favorite.

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The poll in this thread stands at 15 votes:

Fury win = 10
Usyk win = 5
Draw = 0

I think over time it will tilt more towards Usyk therefore will almost level out but Fury will just edge it and remain favourite. After the way Ngannou shocked him, Fury must be thinking seriously about how to make sure Usyk does not get a good start in the fight.

As for Usyk, his confidence must be high after he saw Fury knocked down by Ngannou but even he knows it will take an extremely special performance to beat Fury.

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Quote from: Baofeng on November 16, 2023, 07:27:58 PM

As per the latest odds:

Fury: 1.62
Usyk - 2.21

Got curious when I read that Usyk is now the favorite in this fight and so I check Stake and this is the listing right now,

Fury, Tyson - 1.85
Usyk, Oleksandr - 1.89

Fury is still the favorite but Usyk is closing in and the odds is almost even now. So there is a big swing in the odds. Most likely after the AJ destroys Ngannou fight, and when bettors see how Ngannou had a close fight against Fury and then AJ just dominated Francis, maybe bettors saw that as a sign that Fury could might have a hard time or even lose against Usyk now.

What do you think could be the reasons of the bet swing in favor of Usyk here?

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This is supposed to be one of the most eagerly anticipated boxing fights in a very long time but I remember Fury vs Wilder had more media attention and buzz around it. I guess we have been close on several occasions having Fury and Usyk in the ring but been let down therefore it does not have the same eagerness now. At this moment, Joshua vs Ngannou has more boxing fans and neutrals talking about it.

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And so the eye injury has healed already,

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Tyson Fury insists that the cut that caused the postponement of his eagerly awaited fight with Oleksandr Usyk has already healed and that he is ready to stop the Ukrainian when they finally meet in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia on May 18.

https://www.boxingscene.com/fury-healed-raring-go-usyk--181888

And he still has enough time for training or could be training already as he anticipated that that cut will be healed this time. So again, there should no more excuses and no more delayed as everyone is looking for this fight come May 18th.

And Usyk could also be raring to go and it could be at his advantage to have more time in his hands to prepare for this fight.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on February 21, 2024, 12:43:29 PM

Ngannou needs to knock Fury out next time and make a statement, and I think he will try his best to do so it's not left up to the judges. I think more judges would help, but people will still be robbed.

I have a feeling there will not be a another fight for Fury after Usyk. I would not surprised at all if Fury hangs up his gloves after the first Usyk fight even if there is a rematch clause and we know they know they have a three-fight clause. No matter what Fury is stating about Joshua and Ngannou, he probably does not want to face Ngannou again and Joshua further down his pecking order.

Quote from: hilariousetc on February 21, 2024, 12:43:29 PM

I personally wouldn't put money on Parker in that fight. Parker was KO-ed by Joe Joyce and Zhang absolutely battered Joyce twice and very comfortably I might add. I'm really routing for Zhang as I think he could be very dangerous to the other heavyweights especially Tyson and the big heavyweights are gonna avoid him like the plague. A Zhang Vs Ngannou would be a slugfest. Both have heads and chins made of granite. Either way I'm looking forward very much to the Zhang/Parker fight on the undercard.

Zhang out punched Joyce in their first fight and caused a stopped because of hos swollen eye and then knocked him out on their rematch. Parker was beaten by Joyce but I think that night was for him to shine and Parker to remind himself that a loss is a punch away.

If Parker can make Zhang get tired he will win but Zhang looks like the real deal yet still unpolished and has work to go further. I think he will be a heavyweight champion within 18 months.

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Quote from: JollyGood on February 20, 2024, 07:26:33 PM

Quote from: hilariousetc on February 20, 2024, 03:27:22 PM

Tyson yesterday notified the WBC that he intends to go ahead with the Usyk fight so we can assume the fight is still on track: https://www.si.com/fannation/boxing/tyson-fury-notifies-wbc-president-mauricio-sulaiman-that-he-is-prepared-to-proceed-with-usyk-preparations

If Fury were to lose the fight he would want it to be as a result of a highly dubious points decision rather than a clean KO (or TKO) as it would allow him to claim he won but was cheated. I did read an article stating the WBC was thinking of having five ringside judges for the fight just in case the fight went the full 12 rounds and the result awarded on the judges scorecards.

Ngannou needs to knock Fury out next time and make a statement, and I think he will try his best to do so it's not left up to the judges. I think more judges would help, but people will still be robbed.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on February 20, 2024, 03:27:22 PM

It was only a month or two ago that he said he has no interest in fighting AJ and that he's not on his level. I think all those fights would be good, but I'd love to see him against someone like Zhang assuming he beats Joseph Parker next which is on the AJ/Ngannou undercard.

It is funny reading some quotes from Tyson Fury, he changes his mind far to often for anybody to take him seriously Grin

For the fights you mentioned, I will go for Ngannou to win by knockout by round 4 and for Parker to win by TKO by round 8.

I personally wouldn't put money on Parker in that fight. Parker was KO-ed by Joe Joyce and Zhang absolutely battered Joyce twice and very comfortably I might add. I'm really routing for Zhang as I think he could be very dangerous to the other heavyweights especially Tyson and the big heavyweights are gonna avoid him like the plague. A Zhang Vs Ngannou would be a slugfest. Both have heads and chins made of granite. Either way I'm looking forward very much to the Zhang/Parker fight on the undercard.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on February 20, 2024, 03:27:22 PM

Tyson yesterday notified the WBC that he intends to go ahead with the Usyk fight so we can assume the fight is still on track: https://www.si.com/fannation/boxing/tyson-fury-notifies-wbc-president-mauricio-sulaiman-that-he-is-prepared-to-proceed-with-usyk-preparations

If Fury were to lose the fight he would want it to be as a result of a highly dubious points decision rather than a clean KO (or TKO) as it would allow him to claim he won but was cheated. I did read an article stating the WBC was thinking of having five ringside judges for the fight just in case the fight went the full 12 rounds and the result awarded on the judges scorecards.

Quote from: hilariousetc on February 20, 2024, 03:27:22 PM

It was only a month or two ago that he said he has no interest in fighting AJ and that he's not on his level. I think all those fights would be good, but I'd love to see him against someone like Zhang assuming he beats Joseph Parker next which is on the AJ/Ngannou undercard.

It is funny reading some quotes from Tyson Fury, he changes his mind far to often for anybody to take him seriously Grin

For the fights you mentioned, I will go for Ngannou to win by knockout by round 4 and for Parker to win by TKO by round 8.

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Tyson yesterday notified the WBC that he intends to go ahead with the Usyk fight so we can assume the fight is still on track: https://www.si.com/fannation/boxing/tyson-fury-notifies-wbc-president-mauricio-sulaiman-that-he-is-prepared-to-proceed-with-usyk-preparations

Still a myriad of things can go wrong to not make this fight happen, but I believe Tyson wants it even if the thinks he might lose. The money is too big to not take it.

Quote from: JollyGood on February 13, 2024, 06:13:53 PM

Here is an interesting article about Fury stating he wants to fight Usyk twice, then Joshua (probably twice) and Ngannou again but is Fury just being Fury by talking about things that distracting from the real focus? Five fight plan for Tyson Fury

Call it a hunch but when I read about the unification fight I feel there is a chance Fury will pull out of the re-scheduled 18th May 2024 fight with Usyk. Hopefully it will go ahead as planned.

I mean great if true, but Fury changes his mind like the weather, and I also don't believe half of the shit he says. It was only a month or two ago that he said he has no interest in fighting AJ and that he's not on his level. I think all those fights would be good, but I'd love to see him against someone like Zhang assuming he beats Joseph Parker next which is on the AJ/Ngannou undercard.

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Here is an interesting article about Fury stating he wants to fight Usyk twice, then Joshua (probably twice) and Ngannou again but is Fury just being Fury by talking about things that distracting from the real focus? Five fight plan for Tyson Fury

Call it a hunch but when I read about the unification fight I feel there is a chance Fury will pull out of the re-scheduled 18th May 2024 fight with Usyk. Hopefully it will go ahead as planned.

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We have not see a unification fight since 1999 therefore this one is highly anticipate because of the historic element involved.

The new date has been set for 18th May 2024 but if for any reason the fight does not go ahead on that date because of either injury or anything else, it would seem then fight would not be going ahead at all. Usyk is trying to become the first heavyweight boxer trying to unify both at cruiserweight and heavyweight whereas Fury is trying to cement his own legacy.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on February 07, 2024, 07:34:28 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on February 05, 2024, 11:18:16 AM

I wrote before that Fury is a cowardly trash, so I’m not at all surprised by this news. On the contrary, I would be surprised if the fight took place.
If someone considers me biased, then for example Alexander Gvozdik also expressed doubts about this whole story (even if diplomatically, but as they say, everyone understands everything).

So you're using a biased source to confirm your own bias? Oleksandr Gvozdyk is Usyk's close friend for many years so of course he is going to cast doubt on Fury.

Quote from: KTChampions on February 06, 2024, 09:48:26 AM

In general, I am of course very surprised by this situation (in a global sense, since, in principle, I have lost interest in this clownery) because Fury is the obvious favorite, but he is simply afraid. I don't remember such a case in boxing or other sports. Avoiding a stronger opponent is reasonable and rational (albeit mean), but avoiding a (supposedly) weaker opponent is... I don’t know how to describe it.

Rejecting an unreasonable purse split when you are clearly the bigger draw isn't avoiding someone, it's common business sense. If Jake Paul agreed to fight Canelo only if he got a 50/50 split, then logically Canelo would reject that deal. Having to postpone a fight because of a harder than expected fight against a knockout artist is also not cowardly or chickening out, unless you're implying Fury intentionally allowed the record holder for most powerful punch to hit him, which would be an idiotic theory.

Freak accidents happen all the time. Errol Spence was in a horrific car accident, suffered a torn retina, was in another car accident and there are people stupid enough to say he had these incidents, some which were life threatening, because he was afraid of fighting Terence Crawford.

Each person has his own opinion and each person occupies some place in the world - he has a nationality, a country of residence, perhaps a religion, a certain level of income, certain tastes, etc. Naturally, one can say about any person on some basis that he is biased, I do not argue with that.
Fury has run away too many times (and from more than one opponent - remember the Klitschko story?) so I have reason to be biased not to believe him. For some reason, his circus fights go super smoothly (except for the fact that he likes to lie down on the canvas to rest a little), but in fights that are turning points in his career, “surprises happen.”

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on February 07, 2024, 07:34:28 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on February 05, 2024, 11:18:16 AM

I wrote before that Fury is a cowardly trash, so I’m not at all surprised by this news. On the contrary, I would be surprised if the fight took place.
If someone considers me biased, then for example Alexander Gvozdik also expressed doubts about this whole story (even if diplomatically, but as they say, everyone understands everything).

So you're using a biased source to confirm your own bias? Oleksandr Gvozdyk is Usyk's close friend for many years so of course he is going to cast doubt on Fury.

I think given the evidence presented recently we can see the injury is genuine and probably just a freak sparring accident. Had Fury just hidden away for weeks/months I would have assumed some shenanigans and thought it was a faked/feigned injury done to either stall or get out of the fight. I think Fury does want this fight even if he knows he's going to struggle or it being his biggest test. The money is just too good to turn down. Gareth A Davis has a saying for why fights do or don't happen: Money, ego, timing and he's right, but money is the biggest factor. Many fighters will avoid fights if they think they will lose or struggle but every fighter also has a price. Would I get in the ring with Fury or Usyk for a few grand? Nope. Would I do it for millions? Of course.

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Quote from: KTChampions on February 05, 2024, 11:18:16 AM

I wrote before that Fury is a cowardly trash, so I’m not at all surprised by this news. On the contrary, I would be surprised if the fight took place.
If someone considers me biased, then for example Alexander Gvozdik also expressed doubts about this whole story (even if diplomatically, but as they say, everyone understands everything).

So you're using a biased source to confirm your own bias? Oleksandr Gvozdyk is Usyk's close friend for many years so of course he is going to cast doubt on Fury.

Quote from: KTChampions on February 06, 2024, 09:48:26 AM

In general, I am of course very surprised by this situation (in a global sense, since, in principle, I have lost interest in this clownery) because Fury is the obvious favorite, but he is simply afraid. I don't remember such a case in boxing or other sports. Avoiding a stronger opponent is reasonable and rational (albeit mean), but avoiding a (supposedly) weaker opponent is... I don’t know how to describe it.

Rejecting an unreasonable purse split when you are clearly the bigger draw isn't avoiding someone, it's common business sense. If Jake Paul agreed to fight Canelo only if he got a 50/50 split, then logically Canelo would reject that deal. Having to postpone a fight because of a harder than expected fight against a knockout artist is also not cowardly or chickening out, unless you're implying Fury intentionally allowed the record holder for most powerful punch to hit him, which would be an idiotic theory.

Freak accidents happen all the time. Errol Spence was in a horrific car accident, suffered a torn retina, was in another car accident and there are people stupid enough to say he had these incidents, some which were life threatening, because he was afraid of fighting Terence Crawford.

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Quote from: btc_angela on February 05, 2024, 05:56:38 PM

The Saudi's just wanted this fight to happen, simply as that, and it's good that they have this clause, so that in this case Fury will have not any reasons to stall it again. And definitely, everything will be on the line specially for Fury, but he should really come to the fight and box.

And it seems that Fury has no more reasons or excuses to not fight. If he had this another freak accident, like "I broke my elbow during during the sparring", or "my cut is not yet healed 100%", then for us boxing fans, we can't deny that he chicken out and doesn't want to fight Usyk.

Nope. It doesn't work that way. Just re-read the previous threads and this one. Even if Fury chickens out 99 times and avoids fighting under different (or identical) pretexts, someone will always say “well, if he chickens out for the 100th time then I’ll recognize him as a coward, but for now we have to wait.”

In general, I am of course very surprised by this situation (in a global sense, since, in principle, I have lost interest in this clownery) because Fury is the obvious favorite, but he is simply afraid. I don't remember such a case in boxing or other sports. Avoiding a stronger opponent is reasonable and rational (albeit mean), but avoiding a (supposedly) weaker opponent is... I don’t know how to describe it.

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