[ POLL ] The Unification Fight: FURY vs USYK 17th FEBRUARY 2024 - page 13.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on June 12, 2024, 10:21:36 AM

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/28421010/tyson-fury-escorted-out-of-pub-bouncers-collapse-outside/

Tyson was kicked out of a club on Friday for being drunk. He then collapsed on the floor outside which was caught on video: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xS2Jh7dNtQY

If this is a one off then I shouldn't look too much into it but is he going to go off the rails again? Not a good look if he's going to be facing Usyk again later this year.

Usyk has also been cast in his first Hollywood film playing an Ukrainian MMA fighter also starring The Rock in the main lead: https://www.thesportster.com/dwayne-the-rock-johnson-oleksandr-usyk-cast-the-smashing-machine/

We will have to wait and see, if he is just venting a little bit then there is nothing to worry about, after all who has not taken a few drinks after a difficult day at work? Fury just had the worst day of his career so he is justified to take some time to straight his mind before the rematch with Usyk, however he is not going to have a lot of time to do this, so he needs to refocus and concentrate completely on the fight, as that is the only way he will have a chance to recover the belts he lost.

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https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/28421010/tyson-fury-escorted-out-of-pub-bouncers-collapse-outside/

Tyson was kicked out of a club on Friday for being drunk. He then collapsed on the floor outside which was caught on video: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xS2Jh7dNtQY

If this is a one off then I shouldn't look too much into it but is he going to go off the rails again? Not a good look if he's going to be facing Usyk again later this year.

Usyk has also been cast in his first Hollywood film playing an Ukrainian MMA fighter also starring The Rock in the main lead: https://www.thesportster.com/dwayne-the-rock-johnson-oleksandr-usyk-cast-the-smashing-machine/

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on June 11, 2024, 01:23:32 AM

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Either I incorrectly translate or understand word meltdown, but isnt it when person goes crazy? The moment when he got bipolar disorder? The moment when he had alcohol addiction. The moment when he was so depressed, that he wanted to crash his car and commit a suicide? Last two fights shows that Fury isnt Fury used to be. There is something with his head definitely. Knockdown from Ngannou, knockdown and save by ref in fight against Usyk. What would we get from third fight? A knockout?

Fury has considerable wear and tear but he is not completely shot. If he were, Usyk wouldn’t have been so bruised up the next day. Without the knockdown, the fight would have been a 3-way split draw. It was close enough that Fury deserves some benefit of the doubt. He could make some adjustments that could result in a different outcome. I wouldn’t favor Fury in the rematch but it isn’t a foregone conclusion that Usyk will win again.

Yeap, this fight was close enough until one person knocked down other. What I see is that Fury degrade from fight to fight. Close fight but was in knockdown in last fight. Was in knockdown the fight before that. Finished Chisora only in 10th round, while Derek is 40 and lost to all other top opponents (lets just agree that Chisora isnt top anymore). Not saying that Usyk is only gaining on a contrast to Fury, but I doubt that we will see a better or new version of Fury in their rematch.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on June 11, 2024, 01:46:31 AM

Fury might have a longer reach, but Usyk is faster than him. I voted for Usyk.

Fury is bigger and has a lot of advantages on his side but not only is Usyk a little faster, he seems to be technically the better boxer too. Maybe it was a wrong decision for Fury to lose that much weight before the fight and maybe he will return heavier for the rematch.

Quote from: LogitechMouse on June 11, 2024, 01:46:31 AM

The problem with Fury is most of the time, his face is wide open, and I also saw this against Wilder, but his throwing many punches that has no power at all. Just look at how he got knocked down in the 9th round. He landed so many weak punches that left him wide open, and Usyk took advantage on it by throwing a right hook followed by a left hook that caused him to wobble, and eventually knocked down. If he will do it again in their rematch, it will be the same result. I hope Fury will not do it again.

After 9 rounds many boxers can get tired and lower their guard at the wrong time but Usyk did well in that round. If Fury had managed to press in rounds 4-6 instead of taking a step back he would have won the fight on a TKO. During those rounds it was almost all about Fury but the final four rounds it was almost all about Usyk. Fury often fights with his mouth wide open at times and it did very well for his career even with the Usyk defeat Grin

Quote from: LogitechMouse on June 11, 2024, 01:46:31 AM

Fury has the power, but Usyk has the power + the speed, so I will go with Usyk with this one again and retain his belt, but I will not be surprised if we will see a trilogy on this one.

Therefore you believe Fury could win?

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Quote from: TopTort777 on June 06, 2024, 06:04:34 AM

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Just five votes have been cast in the rematch poll and we are on 4 for Fury and 1 for Usyk.

There is something in the air about Fury possibly getting a stunning victory to exact revenge for the loss he suffered last month. Put it this way, if Usyk wins that would be the end of the matter but if Fury wins, both boxers and their teams will have to go where the money goes and will lead to a blockbuster trilogy.

We need more votes in the poll Grin

Made some correction in poll Cheesy

Who are those 4 that expect Fury to win? From the fight I saw, it did not look that Fury got something special, ace in the hole or Usyk won unfair. I just dont get what are in peoples mind. They think that Fury will not train twice as hard, but Usyk would chill till December and would not make any correction in tactics. People probably think that "yeah, now Fury has learned Usyk and know what to expect". Usyk now knows Fury also and I suspect, that this time he wont let him go in the ropes and no judge would help him.

After fight against Usyk, AJ also told that he would be ready for a rematch. But it all ended with split and "how did you beat me?".

Fury might have a longer reach, but Usyk is faster than him. I voted for Usyk.

The problem with Fury is most of the time, his face is wide open, and I also saw this against Wilder, but his throwing many punches that has no power at all. Just look at how he got knocked down in the 9th round. He landed so many weak punches that left him wide open, and Usyk took advantage on it by throwing a right hook followed by a left hook that caused him to wobble, and eventually knocked down. If he will do it again in their rematch, it will be the same result. I hope Fury will not do it again.

Fury has the power, but Usyk has the power + the speed, so I will go with Usyk with this one again and retain his belt, but I will not be surprised if we will see a trilogy on this one.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on June 10, 2024, 03:18:10 AM

Either I incorrectly translate or understand word meltdown, but isnt it when person goes crazy? The moment when he got bipolar disorder? The moment when he had alcohol addiction. The moment when he was so depressed, that he wanted to crash his car and commit a suicide? Last two fights shows that Fury isnt Fury used to be. There is something with his head definitely. Knockdown from Ngannou, knockdown and save by ref in fight against Usyk. What would we get from third fight? A knockout?

Fury has considerable wear and tear but he is not completely shot. If he were, Usyk wouldn’t have been so bruised up the next day. Without the knockdown, the fight would have been a 3-way split draw. It was close enough that Fury deserves some benefit of the doubt. He could make some adjustments that could result in a different outcome. I wouldn’t favor Fury in the rematch but it isn’t a foregone conclusion that Usyk will win again.

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I understand. Yes, it is true Fury had a lot of mental health issues and he suffered a lot. If I recall correctly his body weight increased to dangerous levels and he was losing the will the live. Thankfully with the support of a strong family and loving caring wife he managed to get himself back to a great mental and physical level which saw him defeat Wilder.

As for the knockdowns, if he does get counted out by the referee I am fairly certain the count of 10 would be while climbed back up on his feet, he would not be getting knocked out cols on the canvas. Still, I think Fury could win the rematch and take this to a trilogy.

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Either I incorrectly translate or understand word meltdown, but isnt it when person goes crazy? The moment when he got bipolar disorder? The moment when he had alcohol addiction. The moment when he was so depressed, that he wanted to crash his car and commit a suicide? Last two fights shows that Fury isnt Fury used to be. There is something with his head definitely. Knockdown from Ngannou, knockdown and save by ref in fight against Usyk. What would we get from third fight? A knockout?

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Quote from: JollyGood on June 08, 2024, 12:57:59 PM

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But wait, Fury is famous for having meltdowns.

I never saw Fury have a meltdown before, I have seen him come out with a whole lot of funny rants during interviews and crazy behaviour to grab the attention and headlines. Personally, I think most of what he does is for the cameras and is very well choreographed therefore not spontaneous but I could be wrong maybe they were meltdowns Grin

Either I incorrectly translate or understand word meltdown, but isnt it when person goes crazy? The moment when he got bipolar disorder? The moment when he had alcohol addiction. The moment when he was so depressed, that he wanted to crash his car and commit a suicide? Last two fights shows that Fury isnt Fury used to be. There is something with his head definitely. Knockdown from Ngannou, knockdown and save by ref in fight against Usyk. What would we get from third fight? A knockout?

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Quote from: inthelongrun on June 08, 2024, 08:52:42 PM

Anyways, I can see an easier win by Usyk over Fury in the rematch. Fury can trim himself down to be gain some speed but still not enough or he can gain more weight to absorb Usyk's punches but he'll be slower. I think AJ will beat Dubois. Dubois would've lost to Hrgovic and he will be stopped if there's a rematch. But Usyk if he wins over Fury and decides to continue fighting, he wanted to drop down back to cruiserweight and tries to become undisputed again which I doubt happens considering his age.

It has happened, the poll is now showing more votes for Usyk to win rather than for Fury to win (it currently stands at 5 for Usyk and 4 for Fury) therefore a slim majority at the moment agree with your views about Usyk winning the rematch. I think it will be a lot closer than people think. Fury will be extremely anxious to win the rematch and take this to a financially lucrative trilogy but keeping the money factor aside, I think Fury will be hurt by this defeat therefore the only redemption he probably sees for his ego and bragging rights would be a win.

Usyk obviously will have other idea and expects to win the rematch but sometimes matters to not unfold according to the game plan. Whatever happens it will be a good fight to watch.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on June 08, 2024, 05:47:49 AM

OK, so I was wrong and the IBF introduced the interim belt and put it on the line in Hrgovic Vs Dubois.
I'm not sure if that means that Usyk is now more or less likely to get stripped. Maybe he won't get stripped, but the purpose of interim belts was always to act as a replacement for when the original champ is unable to fight. But, if the IBF decides not to take it away from Usyk, we'll have a situation where we'll have 2 IBF title defences in parallel, one for the normal belt, and one for the interim one. So that would be quite a departure from what you'd normally expect to see.

And if Usyk wins the rematch with Fury, I have my doubts if he'll be interested in fighting the winner of Dubois Vs AJ, as he already fought both of them fairly recently (AJ twice). If Fury comes on the top in the rematch, a fight between him and Joshua (if he wins as well) would be a big one and long overdue.

I would've preferred if the IBF just follow its rules but as I also mentioned earlier, they're no longer that firm since Daryl Peoples assumed leadership. If I'm Dubois and I wanted the title shot badly, I'd be more worried that I am holding the IBF interim now, there can be more excuses for the real champion not to fight just like the case of Benavidez and the other interim belt holders in the past.

Anyways, I can see an easier win by Usyk over Fury in the rematch. Fury can trim himself down to be gain some speed but still not enough or he can gain more weight to absorb Usyk's punches but he'll be slower. I think AJ will beat Dubois. Dubois would've lost to Hrgovic and he will be stopped if there's a rematch. But Usyk if he wins over Fury and decides to continue fighting, he wanted to drop down back to cruiserweight and tries to become undisputed again which I doubt happens considering his age.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on June 07, 2024, 04:23:25 AM

But wait, Fury is famous for having meltdowns.

I never saw Fury have a meltdown before, I have seen him come out with a whole lot of funny rants during interviews and crazy behaviour to grab the attention and headlines. Personally, I think most of what he does is for the cameras and is very well choreographed therefore not spontaneous but I could be wrong maybe they were meltdowns Grin

Quote from: satscraper on June 07, 2024, 05:17:27 AM

The weak part of Usyk's body is a torso thus should FURY punch it frequently Usyk could reel. Probably this is patrimony of his childhood. After match I have read Usyk's biography and learnt that being in child ages he pфв health problem related with his lungs. Nevertheless, I will keep my fingers crossed for him in rematch.

Now that Fury and Usyk have been in the ring for 12 rounds they must know a lot more about each other than before including when and where to hit as well as other tactics. We will see what they have learned about each other when they enter the ring for the rematch in December.

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OK, so I was wrong and the IBF introduced the interim belt and put it on the line in Hrgovic Vs Dubois.
I'm not sure if that means that Usyk is now more or less likely to get stripped. Maybe he won't get stripped, but the purpose of interim belts was always to act as a replacement for when the original champ is unable to fight. But, if the IBF decides not to take it away from Usyk, we'll have a situation where we'll have 2 IBF title defences in parallel, one for the normal belt, and one for the interim one. So that would be quite a departure from what you'd normally expect to see.

And if Usyk wins the rematch with Fury, I have my doubts if he'll be interested in fighting the winner of Dubois Vs AJ, as he already fought both of them fairly recently (AJ twice). If Fury comes on the top in the rematch, a fight between him and Joshua (if he wins as well) would be a big one and long overdue.

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The weak part of Usyk's body is a torso thus should FURY punch it frequently Usyk could reel. Probably this is patrimony of his childhood. After match I have read Usyk's biography and learnt that being in child ages he had health problem related with his lungs. Nevertheless, I will keep my fingers crossed for him in rematch.

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Quote from: JollyGood on June 06, 2024, 04:27:09 PM

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After fight against Usyk, AJ also told that he would be ready for a rematch. But it all ended with split and "how did you beat me?".

After he was beaten for the second time (in the rematch), Joshua seemed to have suffered some sort of mental meltdown. When he took the microphone in the ring and asked Usyk how he managed to beat him, it was a sad sight. Joshua stated something he was the one that was bigger and stronger yet he lost.

If the rematch between Fury and Usyk goes ahead we will not see Fury or Usyk having a meltdown in defeat.

But wait, Fury is famous for having meltdowns. However, I am more curious if we would get anything new in a rematch. Btw, Usyk never has never lost in rematches. Joshua, amateur career, won twice Beterbiev. Each time he was better in a rematch. Lets look on this from Fury point of view. He think he would because he won some rounds in their first fight? So far not a single heavyweight showed a real challenge for Usyk. Only in cruiserweights, a fight against Mairis Briedis was the most difficult for Usyk during professional career.

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Quote from: Kemarit on June 06, 2024, 05:42:14 PM

Why you surmise that Fury will have a stunning victory in the rematch, besides the biggest purse in boxing in the trilogy?

I did not summarise, I stated he could possibly win the rematch. Likewise, Usyk could also win or the other alternative is a draw.

Quote from: Kemarit on June 06, 2024, 05:42:14 PM

Well the poll is now at 4-4 therefore the members that believe Usyk will win have started to cast their votes Grin

There were 21 votes cast in the previous poll (for the first fight) and it was heavily in favour of Fury to win 14-7 which made it 66% of the voters believed Fury was going to win but just 33% believed Usyk was going to win. This time the polling is equal at 50% each.

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Quote from: JollyGood on June 06, 2024, 05:38:25 AM

Just five votes have been cast in the rematch poll and we are on 4 for Fury and 1 for Usyk.

There is something in the air about Fury possibly getting a stunning victory to exact revenge for the loss he suffered last month. Put it this way, if Usyk wins that would be the end of the matter but if Fury wins, both boxers and their teams will have to go where the money goes and will lead to a blockbuster trilogy.

Why you surmise that Fury will have a stunning victory in the rematch, besides the biggest purse in boxing in the trilogy? We haven't seen Fury beaten and response to the next fight. Maybe he will be like Wilder as well when he beat him and took everything from Wilder as Deontay was never be the same again and had mental breakdown. Same with AJ, when Usyk beat him, he had some sort of Psychological meltdown, although he was able to recover unlike Wilder.

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We need more votes in the poll Grin

I submitted my vote and it will be Usyk for me all the way.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on June 06, 2024, 06:04:34 AM

After fight against Usyk, AJ also told that he would be ready for a rematch. But it all ended with split and "how did you beat me?".

After he was beaten for the second time (in the rematch), Joshua seemed to have suffered some sort of mental meltdown. When he took the microphone in the ring and asked Usyk how he managed to beat him, it was a sad sight. Joshua stated something he was the one that was bigger and stronger yet he lost.

If the rematch between Fury and Usyk goes ahead we will not see Fury or Usyk having a meltdown in defeat.

Quote from: btc_angela on June 06, 2024, 06:23:58 AM

I cast my vote for a Usyk win, he already defeated Fury in the first fight and I doubt that he can make the necessary adjustment in the rematch.

At least the votes in the poll are increasing Grin

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Quote from: JollyGood on June 06, 2024, 05:38:25 AM

Just five votes have been cast in the rematch poll and we are on 4 for Fury and 1 for Usyk.

There is something in the air about Fury possibly getting a stunning victory to exact revenge for the loss he suffered last month. Put it this way, if Usyk wins that would be the end of the matter but if Fury wins, both boxers and their teams will have to go where the money goes and will lead to a blockbuster trilogy.

We need more votes in the poll Grin

I cast my vote for a Usyk win, he already defeated Fury in the first fight and I doubt that he can make the necessary adjustment in the rematch. Although if we talk about how rich will be that trilogy, who knows, maybe Usyk will give him a slack (not saying that he will intentionally take a dive) and then win in the judges card.

But barring all circumstance, I don't see the Ukrainian willing to do that for the sake of money. He is too proud to be the HW unified champion and it's been a long time since we see it. So I will say that Usyk finished Fury again and again, proved that he is the best HW in this new era.

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Quote from: JollyGood on June 06, 2024, 05:38:25 AM

Just five votes have been cast in the rematch poll and we are on 4 for Fury and 1 for Usyk.

There is something in the air about Fury possibly getting a stunning victory to exact revenge for the loss he suffered last month. Put it this way, if Usyk wins that would be the end of the matter but if Fury wins, both boxers and their teams will have to go where the money goes and will lead to a blockbuster trilogy.

We need more votes in the poll Grin

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Who are those 4 that expect Fury to win? From the fight I saw, it did not look that Fury got something special, ace in the hole or Usyk won unfair. I just dont get what are in peoples mind. They think that Fury will not train twice as hard, but Usyk would chill till December and would not make any correction in tactics. People probably think that "yeah, now Fury has learned Usyk and know what to expect". Usyk now knows Fury also and I suspect, that this time he wont let him go in the ropes and no judge would help him.

After fight against Usyk, AJ also told that he would be ready for a rematch. But it all ended with split and "how did you beat me?".

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Just five votes have been cast in the rematch poll and we are on 4 for Fury and 1 for Usyk.

There is something in the air about Fury possibly getting a stunning victory to exact revenge for the loss he suffered last month. Put it this way, if Usyk wins that would be the end of the matter but if Fury wins, both boxers and their teams will have to go where the money goes and will lead to a blockbuster trilogy.

We need more votes in the poll Grin

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