[ POLL ] The Unification Fight: FURY vs USYK 17th FEBRUARY 2024 - page 13.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on May 17, 2024, 03:55:45 AM

You can say that Fury was unprepared against Francis, but you cannot predict his performance in this fight based on that fight. Against Usyk, Fury will be well prepared, knowing that his opponent is not a first-time boxer and that the fight is a big chance to make history in one of the biggest rivalries. I like both fighters and still have not been able to settle on the one I like to win, so I will just be enjoying the fight because it will surely be entertaining.

Fury totally avoided the staredown during their last press conference, looking away from Usyk's eyes during the staredown. Fury said

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He must have avoided eye contact to maintain the confidence he has in his abilities.

I don't know, Fury is actually very cunning and that's why he manages to stay on top for so long. He fully lives up to his name, like a clever gypsy who always finds a way out of any situation.

In addition, he has a very strong punch and strong willpower, remember the fight with Wilder, when he got up every time. Now Wilder is not taken so seriously, because after the last fights you can see how bad his defense is, it was spectacular, but at the same time stupid.

Fury is a very, very experienced fighter, although he looked very bad in the fight with Ngannou, but this could served as a good tip for him, and he prepared more thoroughly for the fight with Usik. I think that he was dragging out this fight for a reason, waiting until he was completely physically ready to withstand all 12 rounds.

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Quote from: JollyGood on May 18, 2024, 04:22:58 AM

How can someone be 35 years old and have had 35 fights already winning 34, makes him a really dangerous fighter with Knockouts (24) even more than the career fight that his opponent Usyk has had (21). The statistics favor Fury more, and if Usky will win, then he is a very good fighter.

Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on May 18, 2024, 12:39:39 AM

Having a weight advantage is definitely beneficial. If it weren’t, we wouldn’t see so many fighters try to negotiate a catchweight or a rehydration clause when they have to fight somebody who is bigger.

Since weight has an advantage, I think Fury will be the winner of the fight.

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I think the match is some hours to come. Fury has remain unbeatable and I read that Usyk has been unbeatable also but we all respect the more success of Fury. I would wish someone among them should become the winner of this coming match. If anyone among them would be the winner, I will say the unbeatable days of Fury is over as I guess that Usyk would be able to defeat him today. I go for Usyk.

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^^ I will go as well with Fury winning in a very close fight, a decision win could be UD or MD, 8-4 rounds for Fury.

Usyk might fade in the later rounds and then Fury taking over the championship rounds, and as per Stake, the odds for Fury is 1.79 and Usyk at 1.92. So it seems bettors are putting their money on Fury after the weigh-in as it was used to be 50/50 odds.

Fury by decision is 3.15, best of luck to all bettors!!!

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Many people are giving their views about who they think the winner will be:

Who is backing Fury
Frank Warren
Lennox Lewis
Deontay Wilder
Mike Tyson
Naseem Hamed
Simon Jordan
Ricky Hatton

Who is backing Usyk
Anthony Joshua
Tony Bellew
Evander Holyfield
George Groves
Malik Scott

Who is undecided
Eddie Hearn
Frazer Clarke

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The fact Lennox Lewis, Deontay Wilder, Naseem Hamed and Mike Tyson have backed Fury to win is to be noted. It was not a surprise to see Joshua backing Usyk to win because he was comprehensively defeated by Usyk twice but when Bellew backed Usyk it was also to be noted.

This fight is too close to call but I am now edging towards Fury to win on a highly contentious points decision.

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Quote from: JollyGood on May 18, 2024, 04:22:58 AM

Usyk weighed in at 16st (224lb) and that is his heaviest ever. He probably needed the extra weight to counter the weight advantage Fury has.

Some media are reporting 223lb, some 223.5lb, I'm not sure if there has been an official correction announcement, but it's still not that much heavier than what we saw against AJ or Dubois. So we know what to expect from Usyk.

Quote from: JollyGood on May 18, 2024, 04:22:58 AM

Fury weighed in at 18st 7lb (262lb) and that was his lightest in four years but he is in very good physical condition and still much heavier that Usyk.

I'm not 100% convinced that dropping that much weight is a good tactic, but I guess he and his team know better.
It's not like it'll make him faster than Usyk. Now he'll still be a bit slower, but will have less advantage of weight and power.

Quote from: JollyGood on May 18, 2024, 04:22:58 AM

When Fury finally managed to be bothered to look at Usyk at the weigh-in it lasted around two seconds because he immediately pushed Usyk. They have to be separated but both were shouting at each other from a distance.

To me, it's pretty clear that Fury just wants to get in Usyk's head to shift the chance on his side a little bit. There's no other reason for him (or his father) to act that hostile, especially when he stated multiple times that he has nothing but respect for Oleksandr.

I think it's a 50/50 fight and that's what makes it more interesting.
I made a tiny bet on a draw just for a laugh.

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Usyk weighed in at 16st (224lb) and that is his heaviest ever. He probably needed the extra weight to counter the weight advantage Fury has.

Fury weighed in at 18st 7lb (262lb) and that was his lightest in four years but he is in very good physical condition and still much heavier that Usyk.

When Fury finally managed to be bothered to look at Usyk at the weigh-in it lasted around two seconds because he immediately pushed Usyk. They have to be separated but both were shouting at each other from a distance.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on May 18, 2024, 01:21:22 AM

It appears that the Tyson Fury has taken his training more serious for this fight against Usyk. Did I see that there was abdominal muscles in Fury's midsection? Did these abdominal muscles appear when Fury fought Francis Ngannou? I reckon Fury appears to be more slimmer for this fight vs. Usyk than the fight against Ngannou hehehe. I predict this fight against Usyk will be a similar performance Tyson Fury has done against Wladimir Klitschko.

Hahaha...abdominal muscles? Maybe he recently had an abdominal muscle surgery that is out of the media space...lol Frankly, your shape as a boxer doesn't determine your winning. Even the weight loss is relative in nature and not about the weight loss in all cases, it depends on the fight. It also depends on how you can use it to your advantage, especially to the disadvantage of your opponent if you can manage it well which should have been detected during training, it's a plus in this case.

But I will not neglect the fact that he would have made many adjustments having studied the previous fight of Usyk and a suggestion of weight loss might have been made. Yet, this doesn't necessarily mean a plus because some boxers can still use your weight loss against you if they know how to do so.

Regardless, the bout is finally today, many hours time though, another event that will take sleep off my eyes. It is a must-watch for me.

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Many were quite surprised by Usyk steping on scale and showing almost 6kg (or 12.5 pounds) heavier than in his fights against Joshua or Dubois, but it turned out to be a mistake caused my miscommunication between the supervisor and Michael Buffer.
His actual weight was not 233.5 pounds (106kg) but 223 pounds (101kg).

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/boxing/usyk-weight-wrong-fury-weighin-b2547157.html

For comparison, Fury is 262 pounds (119kg), so heavier by 39 pounds (almost 18kg).

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It appears that the Tyson Fury has taken his training more serious for this fight against Usyk. Did I see that there was abdominal muscles in Fury's midsection? Did these abdominal muscles appear when Fury fought Francis Ngannou? I reckon Fury appears to be more slimmer for this fight vs. Usyk than the fight against Ngannou hehehe. I predict this fight against Usyk will be a similar performance Tyson Fury has done against Wladimir Klitschko.

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Quote from: Queentoshi on May 17, 2024, 05:53:34 PM

I have a question to ask the experts since I have been thinking of it since I saw the headline, How can the weight of the fighter affect his fight?

Tyson Fury's weight was reported as 262lbs while his Oleksandr Usyk weighed 233.5lbs which is less than Fury's weight. Does lighter weight make you a better boxer who will find it easier to move, or does light weight mean that punches have lesser power? I am a bit confused, help me understand.

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Having a weight advantage is definitely beneficial. If it weren’t, we wouldn’t see so many fighters try to negotiate a catchweight or a rehydration clause when they have to fight somebody who is bigger.

In Fury’s most notable wins, against Deontay Wilder, the weight difference played a key role in his victory. Instead of trying to outbox Wilder from the outside, Fury fought at a close distance and made it very physical fight. In the end, the second and third fights both resulted in Wilder being severely battered.

Fury’s ability to impose his size is why he was so heavily favored when this fight was initially announced. Those odds have narrowed considerably after Fury showed some signs of decline in his previous fight. In just a few hours we will know for sure if the big man is still capable of using his size advantage effectively or will Usyk be able to nullify it with speed and movement.

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Quote from: Queentoshi on May 17, 2024, 05:53:34 PM

Quote from: Baofeng on May 17, 2024, 02:54:06 PM

Right, when we have seen recently about fighters having a long stare-down of 3-4 minutes and I thought this will be the new trend obviously you wanted to look at your opponents eye and try to intimidate him somewhat and read what's on his mind.

I have a question to ask the experts since I have been thinking of it since I saw the headline, How can the weight of the fighter affect his fight?

Tyson Fury's weight was reported as 262lbs while his Oleksandr Usyk weighed 233.5lbs which is less than Fury's weight. Does lighter weight make you a better boxer who will find it easier to move, or does light weight mean that punches have lesser power? I am a bit confused, help me understand.

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I'm not a boxing expert but I will just throw my my sats here,

a. lighter fighter might have the advantage as far as movement goes, and Usyk might have a advantage as he can move around and get away from Fury's power. But also remember that Usyk is not a natural HW, is is just a blown up CW.

b. heavier boxer in his case Fury will have the more power obviously, and he can used his weight to sap all the energy of Usyk as he might try to muscle him up in the clinch. And additional weight might only means that he can take the power of Usyk and not be affected by it.

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Quote from: Baofeng on May 17, 2024, 02:54:06 PM

Right, when we have seen recently about fighters having a long stare-down of 3-4 minutes and I thought this will be the new trend obviously you wanted to look at your opponents eye and try to intimidate him somewhat and read what's on his mind.

I have a question to ask the experts since I have been thinking of it since I saw the headline, How can the weight of the fighter affect his fight?

Tyson Fury's weight was reported as 262lbs while his Oleksandr Usyk weighed 233.5lbs which is less than Fury's weight. Does lighter weight make you a better boxer who will find it easier to move, or does light weight mean that punches have lesser power? I am a bit confused, help me understand.

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We do not know what the real reason was for Fury to totally ignore Usyk instead of staring at each other but I do not think it was because he was scared. If anything, Fury looked very relaxed and in some way was at ease with himself and I think that must have been his plan. Usyk also did not deviate from his plan, which was show Fury he was interested in the mind games.

It was refreshing to see a different style of face-off, if the fight turns out to be a total boring encounter at least we can look back on the face-off and laugh.

Quote from: Baofeng on May 17, 2024, 02:54:06 PM

Right, when we have seen recently about fighters having a long stare-down of 3-4 minutes and I thought this will be the new trend obviously you wanted to look at your opponents eye and try to intimidate him somewhat and read what's on his mind.

Now comes this biggest fight in recent years in the heavyweight division, but Fury doesn't want to look at Usyk and just totally ignore him. But still though, Usyk goes to the motions, or maybe Fury is really scared and doesn't have the guts to look at Usyk eye to eye?

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Quote from: JollyGood on May 17, 2024, 10:57:21 AM

Two heavyweight champions at the weight-in was supposed to be seriousThe weight-in was hilarious, it has to be one of the funniest ones I have ever seen. At one point Fury decided to completely ignore Usyk instead of having a genuine face-off, it was really funny to watch.

While Fury was playing mind games, Usyk did not want to take his eyes away from Fury but Fury had other plans. When interviewed afterwards, Fury joked he did not look at Usyk because he was a "scary looking dude" Grin

All jokes aside, Usyk looks focused and believes he will win the fight tomorrow, just one look at him you can see he means business and he is determined. The same for Fury, he is playing the jokes and mind games but he looks confident he will win the fight, he also is just as determined. Not long to go now.

Right, when we have seen recently about fighters having a long stare-down of 3-4 minutes and I thought this will be the new trend obviously you wanted to look at your opponents eye and try to intimidate him somewhat and read what's on his mind.

Now comes this biggest fight in recent years in the heavyweight division, but Fury doesn't want to look at Usyk and just totally ignore him. But still though, Usyk goes to the motions, or maybe Fury is really scared and doesn't have the guts to look at Usyk eye to eye?

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Two heavyweight champions at the weight-in was supposed to be seriousThe weight-in was hilarious, it has to be one of the funniest ones I have ever seen. At one point Fury decided to completely ignore Usyk instead of having a genuine face-off, it was really funny to watch.

While Fury was playing mind games, Usyk did not want to take his eyes away from Fury but Fury had other plans. When interviewed afterwards, Fury joked he did not look at Usyk because he was a "scary looking dude" Grin

All jokes aside, Usyk looks focused and believes he will win the fight tomorrow, just one look at him you can see he means business and he is determined. The same for Fury, he is playing the jokes and mind games but he looks confident he will win the fight, he also is just as determined. Not long to go now.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on May 17, 2024, 02:49:59 AM

I can not say that I a huge boxing expert, but I notice that Usyks weak spot are body shots. Dubois landed a clear shot (imho it was clean), Briedis gave him a hard fight with body punches when he was in cruiserweight, and in amateur career Beterbiev found that weak spot also. But Fury, as a really huge guy and heavy hitter, going to cause lots of troubles if he even land a punch to the block. Usyks feature is landing lots of punches, long combos and a win by points. Amazingly, but Fury can do the same and in high tempo. I expect Fury to win by TKO.

I think everyone is vulnerable to a body shot, specially if you are hit on that sweet spot. But there is a video of Dubois landing that questionable body shot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssVX2FQdMiw

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P.S. However, I notice in media, that they already agreed for a rematch. Does it means the fight will be fixed and we get a draw ? Cheesy

Nah, a lot of pride in the line, I don't think that anyone will give someone inch of advantage and make the judges score it a draw. There will be someone to be declared a winner in this highly anticipated fight and for the unification in this division.

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Quote from: Inwestour on May 17, 2024, 03:02:16 AM

Fury's last fight with Ngannou showed that Fury was not in very good shape at that time, let's see how he prepared for this fight. Usyk most likely won’t allow a scuffle with him, the fight will be measured and perhaps more cautious, but Fury loves dirty tricks, we’ll see.

You can say that Fury was unprepared against Francis, but you cannot predict his performance in this fight based on that fight. Against Usyk, Fury will be well prepared, knowing that his opponent is not a first-time boxer and that the fight is a big chance to make history in one of the biggest rivalries. I like both fighters and still have not been able to settle on the one I like to win, so I will just be enjoying the fight because it will surely be entertaining.

Fury totally avoided the staredown during their last press conference, looking away from Usyk's eyes during the staredown. Fury said

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"He's a scary looking dude,"

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He must have avoided eye contact to maintain the confidence he has in his abilities.

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On the press conference and stare downs I saw a totally different Fury. Obvious that he did not take Ngannou seriously. There were no belts on the line, so why push hard yourself when you get paid anyway. This time it is different. Whoever wins will get all the belts. Anyway, I expect Fury to land a lot of body shots, and in the second half of the fight Usyk will brake. On one hand it is circling around your opponent and spam punches, other thing is that your huge opponent is able to do the same. On the paper I dont see Usyks advantages. If this was Olympic boxing or amateur, when they win by points, Usyk would win. In profs, where damage matters, Fury wins.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on May 17, 2024, 02:49:59 AM

I can not say that I a huge boxing expert, but I notice that Usyks weak spot are body shots. Dubois landed a clear shot (imho it was clean), Briedis gave him a hard fight with body punches when he was in cruiserweight, and in amateur career Beterbiev found that weak spot also. But Fury, as a really huge guy and heavy hitter, going to cause lots of troubles if he even land a punch to the block. Usyks feature is landing lots of punches, long combos and a win by points. Amazingly, but Fury can do the same and in high tempo. I expect Fury to win by TKO.

P.S. However, I notice in media, that they already agreed for a rematch. Does it means the fight will be fixed and we get a draw ? Cheesy

It's simple, they agreed on a rematch because they know whoever wins this fight, the rematch will bring even more money. Grin

Usik's advantage is that he is faster, but Fury has very strong punches, so Usik will dodge and wear Fury out, and if he does it well, Fury will not be able to knock him out. But I doubt that Usyk is strong enough to knock out Fury, so maybe we’ll see a draw.

Fury's last fight with Ngannou showed that Fury was not in very good shape at that time, let's see how he prepared for this fight. Usyk most likely won’t allow a scuffle with him, the fight will be measured and perhaps more cautious, but Fury loves dirty tricks, we’ll see.

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