Topic: Potential Match Fixing involving Finnish teams FC Futura and Ilves-Kissat - page 11. (Read 2839 times)

OP thank you for your response, I not only appreciate it, but I think you have provided good answers and responses.

I believe Fairlay's suggestion to mediate with AskGamblers is the best one, they are known for having an objective view of things. However, I have no idea how their process works, I can only think of them because of past mentions, not from personal experience.

If you both prefer that someone trustworthy from the forum is also helpful, I personally can recommend several people active in gambling and who have handled similar cases, not to mention they are highly knowledgeable about sportsbetting. These are jeremypwr, LFC_Bitcoin, buwaytress, Trofo, cryptofrka.

This is not me saying they will do it, but me saying if anything like this happened to me, I would prefer them more than any moderator or lawyer to assist on my behalf I don't know if they will accept if you request

All of those cases could involve match fixing but there is always going to be the "could be" not a clear evidence. The bettor was winning huge amounts and the bookmakers weren't happy with those huge winnings. I know the matches were very suspicious but still it's hard to prove that in actual there was any kind of match fixing involved.

Guy wins some money on a book and they accuse him of fixing whole football games 

So if i lose money on your site can i accuse you of fixing against me ?

Anyhow, i hope fairlay will pursue some legal action against those teams/players.
Put your money and reputation where your mouth is, not just use it to deny winnings to your players.

Unfortunately I can't see my bets from 2019 on Fairlay (the website doesn't show it for some reason) and naturally I don't even remember what bets I took there 5 years ago. So i can not comment on that.

As I mentioned before I lost some in 2019 on Fairlay and forgot about your site for some time, as at that time I didn't find it too user friendly and glitchy.

Of course I didn't feel comfortable to bet big amounts on Fairlay in 2019 as it was still a pretty new entity not known on the market. But even considering all of this, I still deposited 0.331 BTC at that time.

I have many accounts in many different bookmakers and naturally I bet different things in all of them. It depends on the offer availability, odds, limits, so on and so on.
If you need, I will provide you with evidence of these accounts.

The amounts I bet on Fairlay are not the biggest amounts I have taken on the other sport events. 

For example, here is a screenshot of a bet I took recently on Usyk - Fury box match. As you can see, this single bet was 50+ thousands of USD. 

https://imgur.com/U6znWq2

The second screenshot is the bet history of this bookmaker (BetInAsia) for some years. As you can see I literally make hundreds (sometimes thousands) of bets per year, so it's not humanly possible to remember what I bet where 5 years ago.

https://imgur.com/IwRyZY9

If you want, I can provide year by year screenshots with match details and you will see that I mostly bet football. 

This is of course not the only bookmaker i use, but it is the easiest i can show bet history to you. 

I just don't understand why you need this, what does it prove or not prove. I bet big, most of the time as big as a bookie allows me.

Maybe Fairlay had lower limits 5 years ago, that's why i stopped using it. Maybe I stopped using it because I lost, and I felt unlucky.

I really don't remember. I didnt even visit your website for years. But when i accidently remembered about it, I found out that you have nice limits in live betting.

I decided to deposit a little and try to bet from there. You say the bets are significantly big, but the risk was very small. I only deposited 0.075 BTC and everything else was profit.

Small risk, big reward. 

Fairlay doesn't have a reputation on the market unfortunately, so I considered it a risky bookmaker, so I deposited only a little.

@newfish1 wouid you agree  to have askgamblers.com as arbitrator in this case?

Further questions regarding your account.    



Why have you bet mainly on basketball in 2019, not used your account for years and now switched to soccer all of the sudden with these high amounts in these specific leagues?

Why didn't you do any other significant bets before?  

This is not the behaviour  we see from any other user.  


Do you have accounts under your name at other bookmakers and would you feel comfortable sharing them and your betting history there?

It's pretty damn obvious that almost all casinos would find these bets suspicious to be honest which is why proof isn't really required here. Betting on lower level leagues reduces your account health drastically in any sport.

Fairlay clearly pointed out the links in an organised manner which is why op is an a tough situation regardless of whether he was aware of the fixed matches or not. His chances of recovering his money are pretty slim in my opinion.

Casinoguru and Askgambler works perfectly as reputable arbitrator since it’s the most used arbitrator of users that have issue that can’t be resolved here due to the verifying of sensitive proofs here that contains user data.

I’m curious about this case, why does only your casino make this match considered firmly as fixed match while other casino doesn’t make an annual like your for the same match. Can you provide proof that other casino marked this same match as highly suspicious as per your opening statement?

Thank you for taking interest in this case. Allegations are made against me, so I think Fairlay has to prove I am guilty. Before doing that, they have to prove that the teams and players involved are guilty. Federations dont prove, polices dont prove, Fairlay wants to prove. Good luck with that ...

Unfortunately in the modern society, we are so used to the fact that casinos, bookmakers are always winning, that it becomes very suspicious, often proclaimed criminal, when an individual finally beats them (mind you, this is only a one case where I won money, I could be a big losing gambler in other bookies/casinos). Personally, it is very sad for me.

This is a very curious fact, that Fairlay forgets to mention
You can also ask them if they know of any governing body, or law enforcing agency, that is investigating these matches. Or it is only them  


I am sorry, there is so much to write, so much to explain. Unfortunately (well, actually luckily for me) imho Fairlay has so many "bloopers" in their initial accusations, that it will take a lot of time for me to go through all of them and finally get to my betting strategy for others to better understand it. Just please note, that in no time during my recent betting on Fairlay I risked more than my initial deposit of 0.075 BTC (as explained in detail here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.64141482). Of course, eventually the betting strategy will be explained also. With links, data, numbers and so on. Just the way Fairlay likes it

As mentioned before (and Fairlay strangely emphasizes this fact tying me in some absurd accusations, i exposed it here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.64141823) I am proudly from Ukraine.

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yes, there were some cases with table tennis.

But, this situation is very different.

In table tennis you have 1 player versus 1 player
Those tournaments were created by bookmakers and involved only amateur players and didnt have a status of official tournaments
Those tournaments were not sanctioned or governed by any official table tennis federation

In my case we are talking about official football tournaments that are part of their respective countries' league systems.

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Thank you for your interest in my case.

Imho, Fairlay pushing these ideas concerning me being the same nationality as some players in some teams is very disturbing actually.

I literally destroyed all those arguments in my other post (details here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.64141823)

A quite remember me with the case (STAKE).

But the match-fixing is on some (Tennis Table) tournaments. A small tournament or random tournament is being put on (Stake) especially in Russian, the person tried to do everything like payment and other things via stake.

And, the fund getting seize.

As I mentioned in my first message (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.64141482), I can only speak for myself and present facts proving my actions were not illegal or even not wrong according to Fairlay's terms and conditions.

Fairlay says that they believe many matches where i had bets on were "fixed".

I am not a member of any football federation, I am also not a member of any law enforcing agency, that is why I can not be 100% sure any game was or was not "fixed".

That is why I can only share with you some of my observations concerning these games.

The first one, and the most obvious - FC Futura

Is one of the main evils in Fairlay's opinion.

I have bets on 3 games with FC Futura involved. 1 game with very big profit (1.1 BTC), and 2 games with very very small profit where the main bets were actually a push (a situation where the result of my bet is a "draw", where I win 0 and lose 0 on a certain bet).

But during the same time period this same team had other games, and the results of those games are 

3-7 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2024/04/20/finland/kakkonen/futura/pepo/4323156/

1-6 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2024/05/25/finland/kakkonen/futura/fc-reipas/4323181/

my point is, if I was "fixing" these games, why didn't I try to make money here also? To me the answer is obvious, this team Futura, is just a bad team, they just keep conceding goals with high volume.

They are in last place in their division, 4 points from 7 games, -14 goal difference. That says a lot.

Also, check this out

1-4 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2023/07/09/finland/kakkonen/futura/finland-nurmijarven-jalkapalloseura/4032703/

0-3 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2023/07/15/finland/kakkonen/futura/fc-reipas/4032709/

1-6 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2023/07/22/finland/kakkonen/pepo/futura/4032714/

0-5 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2023/07/29/finland/kakkonen/futura/pk-keski-uusimaa-kerava/4032720/

0-5 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2023/08/05/finland/kakkonen/jippo/futura/4032724/

this is their 5 games in a row during last season, and just before those games they had these

1-6 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2023/05/18/finland/kakkonen/pk-35-ry/futura/4032669/

1-5 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2023/05/31/finland/suomen-cup/pallo-iirot/futura/4075684/

And Fairlay says that 1-6 they lost on May 12th, a match where i made the most profit is suspicious. For me, it looks like a normal result for this Futura team, especially against one of the best teams in their division.

In their post Fairlay made a big emphasis on the fact that there are many Ukrainian players in FC Futura, and they also mentioned that I am Ukrainian. Fairlay was implying that I had a good opportunity to "fix" the result of Futura's games, because many of the players are the same nationality as I am.

I find these comments and allegations very very concerning, due to these facts:

1. Earlier I listed 7 matches (with proof links) of FC Futura just last season where they lost by big margins (most common 1-6, 0-5, exactly as the match where I won my bets), its is very easy to see that in those matches no Ukrainian players have participated

2. Some of the other allegedly "fixed" games where I have made most money were from the leagues of Brazil and Colombia, for example. No Ukrainian players participated in them.

So why is Fairlay using these incriminations because I am Ukrainian

I admire the Fairlay platform and the whole idea, I think it is very well thought of and made. It is evidently made by IT and Crypto specialists because some of the comments they made in their post about a sport Football are just funny.

Let's look at the video highlights they noted as "prove" of my wrongdoings:
1. 16th minute – FC FUTURA player Bazhan getting a direct red card for unnecessary foul (1:35 in highlights)
well, this one is actually proves that my bet was a good one, as, as posted by Fairlay, i have made my bets after the red card with the odds provided by bookmakers. A Ukrainian betting against a team after a Ukrainian gets a red card ? But according to how bookmakers work, odds are already adjusted after a red card. Everything is correct here

2. 25th minute – FC FUTURA player Moyseev getting a yellow card for unnecessary foul (2:05 in highlights)what is this about? A yellow card in football doesn't mean anything and the resulting free kick evidently did not lead to any danger. If he wanted to "fix" the game, why didn't he get a second yellow card to be ejected? Why post here a simple foul which resulted in no danger and no serious punishment? Just because he is Ukrainian?

3. 29th minute – FC FUTURA player Sinitsyn scoring a rather clumsy own goal (2:25 in highlights) and Also, FC FUTURA goalkeeper Kazakov was not putting much effort in doing his job.
its football, its normal, especially considering this is 3-4-5th Divisions in Finland, these are amateurs. Take a look at this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMS36VyuY1A , all fixed by Ukrainians ?

Seriously, I don't see a single solid piece of evidence that there was anything wrong here. Of course Fairlay can say that FC Futura was fixing games last year also (actually if they check Futura's results from even earlier seasons, they would see the same pattern), but my question is then - Why is FC Futura still playing in the Finland Football Federation sanctioned official tournament. Where there were no arrests, no fines, no investigation, nothing ?

A lot of text from Fairlay, a lot of numbers (some of which are altered in their favor, as proven in https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.64141508), a lot of links, videos.

But those are all about nothing, just placeholders ...

Personally, this does look suspicious to me. However, one has to provide proof if making allegations, that is the way it works. Innocent until proven guilty. I think both sides must now provide verifiable proof of betting history. It doesn't look good if things are altered.

Maybe if one or two bookmakers can make an enquiry into the league and check, and see if other suspicious behaviour is replicated on other platforms?

While user has not offered any explanation for this betting history, he says he will explain the strategy. If user is from Finland or Brazil it makes sense but seems user is not?

Hello, thank you for taking interest in this case. I have just started to present my side of the story and it will take me some time. I have yet to explain what betting strategy I used, but will do it in the later posts.

From those posts the whole situation will be understood better.

But i can tell you, that this time around (on the contrast to the first time I made deposits (bigger deposits) to Fairlay) I actually won the vast majority of my bets and made a very nice profit.

But, as I proved in my last post (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.64141508), that did not stop Fairlay from altering my bet history and making it look like all my bets on the alleged "fixed" games were won

more to follow ...

This exact information is what I’m asking to Fairlay on my above post since we should check first all the bet history of the account involved because there’s a chance that you only got lucky on the winning bets while you still have a lot of bet on other matches that loss.

If you can prove that you have other bet with same amount on different match then it’s time for you to present your proof here. Took a screenshot of your bet history including the questionable matches here so that we can analyze your betting pattern.

Use talkimg.com to upload your screenshot if ever you save them before fairlay ban your account.

Hahaha, almost missed it, i just noticed, this is really ridiculous. 

Apparently Fairlay tried to trick the bitcointalk community into thinking that all the bets i have taken on these allegedly fixed games were won. The following is a copy/paste of the part of the bet history Fairlay posted in their original post:

FC Kontu vs. FC Finnkurd   1.943   FC Kontu +0.75   31.00   05/09/2024 11:14   31.00   05/09/2024 12:28
FC Kontu vs. FC Finnkurd   2.640   FC Kontu +0.25   29.00   05/09/2024 11:13   29.00   05/09/2024 11:43
FC Kontu vs. FC Finnkurd   3.050   FC Kontu +0.0   29.11   05/09/2024 11:11   29.11   05/09/2024 11:43

Here it looks like I have won all of these bets, when in fact I have lost all of them. Here is the result of this game, please note that i have bet on FC Kontu team, which lost 2-5

https://nr.soccerway.com/matches/2024/05/09/finland/kolmonen/fc-kontu/finnkurd/4313381/

I am happy I actually found this attempt to mislead all of you, but it is really sad the Fairlay team spent so much time and effort to justify their withholding my 0.8 BTC and resort to such unfair methods

I have so much more to say, so much information to present to you, that I am very tired to check all the other numbers (there are very many of them in Fairlay's post), to verify that no other attempts to mislead were made.

I have few questions for OP:
since your platform is a betting exchange, some users have placed also their bets...
@fairlay did you notice some extra-range/outliers value?
I mean, in this case, if gambler know a match is fixing he will take even lower odds since it's a sure win...
Meanwhile people that choose to bet a certain odd would avoid if it's clearly "strange value"...
other bookmakers have granted payment of these matches?
this user has only win bets?
this user has placed high amounts only in winning matches?

First thing I did not like was that the Fairlay team forgot to mention the whole information about my account in general.

They selectively posted a part of my bet history which can mistakenly lead some people to believe that my account with Fairlay was created solely for the purpose of cheating them and making money by organizing fixed matches in Finland, Brazil, Colombia and Saudi Arabia.

Of course they did not mention that my account was created almost 5 years ago and that in that time I have made a deposit of 0.331 BTC and after a series of bets was able to withdraw only about 0.184 BTC, so roughly 0.150 BTC lost.

After that I did not use Fairlay for a long time and made my next deposit only at the beginning of March.

The deposit was more than 4 times lower than the initial one.

Through a series of smaller bets (interestingly enough not mentioned by Fairlay in their presented "evidence") I was able to accumulate a little over 0.1 BTC (from the deposit of 0.075) and took a small pause.

This is where I decided to use a new, very different and very risky betting strategy, yet, this whole time I was risking only the initial deposit of 0.075 BTC (which is almost 5 times lower than the deposit to Fairlay i made almost 5 years ago).

Many more posts will follow, I just want to structure the information from my side in a better, easier to understand way.

They are unusual bets on very low quality games. You have to accept that Fairlay are justified to question your integrity.

Hi BitcoinTalk Community! as i wrote in the other thread (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.64133108), i am the person in this unfortunate situation.

The Fairlay team spent some time and performed a big job presenting you many links and a lot of information.
While this factual information may be accurate, it is certainly not complete.

I dont have the resources and manpower of a big bookmaker/exchange/casino, so please allow me some time to present you all the facts and explain the situation from my side.

For now I want to stress that from my side, and I stress this very important fact again - from my side, I have done nothing illegal or even wrong.

As I said before, please allow me time to clarify the whole situation in this thread before making any conclusions or assumptions on my case. 

Also please remember, that anybody is not guilty, unless proven guilty.

my question had no connection to the current case. I asked the same thing in the main Fairlay thread but was not answered there. That thread is not very active and before this situation the fairlay guys did not participate in it for a very long time. I just asked here to have a better chance of being answered.

I just wanted to better understand the Fairlay system itself as i heard that all of the bets are actually matched by Pinnacle. Just wanted to confirm that. Thanks