Topic: Potential Match Fixing involving Finnish teams FC Futura and Ilves-Kissat - page 6. (Read 2952 times)

For those that understand exchanges saying that Fairlay is unsafe is the same as saying Betfair is unsafe. Fairlay had 2 problems in 10 years. Fairlay doesn’t ban, they don’t limit and they rarely have a problem. Let the case play out. The red at this point is insane.

Go look at the first page of scam accusations. BetCrypto is stealing 26,000 Euros, Rollbit is stealing $64k and and BC.game is stealing 12k USDT yet Fairlay is getting red for this case.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0

I forgot about this thread, can't believe I spent my entire shift break reading it, but can't believe even more of the developments.

It is funny that firstly, they agreed on 2 people that THEY reached out to first, so obviously they went to people they thought they would get support from.

None of the people suggested, who would be more objective (because chosen neither by them or OP) was ever considered.

Funnier? The people they chose, they decided not to go with.

I don't know why crypto sportsbook doesn't want to do everything out transparently. When OP is the one with privacy at stake, and ready to do it transparently. Now private investigation.


Someone should take snapshot or info of that market. All the money related to the match should be seized. Including the pool money.

I would not be surprised if Fairlaysuppot returns in a month or so and say a competent authority has rules it to be a fixed match and they have permanently seized the funds while also keeping all the lost wagers on the match too.

Important point is they backtracked on the arbitration process. Earlier the community pointed out to them that you need 3-5 arbitrators for it to work properly, they kept insisting on one and then pulled out entirely. I sincerely hope the "facts" are not some instagram posts.

- Jay -

From reading what’s on the board, I would take the player’s side but there’s obviously more to the story. Fairlay was going to agree to binding arbitration and it wasn’t from hand picked people. That says more than anything else. Many could have arbitrated this privately instead of crucifying publicly without all the facts.

All exchanges such as Betfair have rules where they can withhold money from suspected fixing until an investigation.

At this point, it doesn't really matter whether they have I'll intentions or not to be frank because they messed their own reputation up by going back and forth on their own words for various reasons.

I felt holydarkness would be a great arbitrator too, but they kept changing their words on a whim due to which the pendulum swung in favor of the punter.

I go back to the beginning with Fairlay to the founder of Fairlay who is also the creator of Gnosis. Fairlay contacted me when this case happened and I tried to hook them up with an arbitration site but the site was unable to take the case. I told Fairlay that holydarkness would be the go to person if he wanted binding arbitration here.

Fairlay wanted a chance to present all evidence to an arbitrator, not everything in public. Unfortunately this case is being tried publicly which Fairlay never asked for. There are times when all information shouldn’t be divulged publicly. Fairlay must prove that the match was fixed but the accusations against them are false. More time is needed to let this all play out. I’m not saying that the match was fixed, but Fairlay has no ill intentions and money isn’t a problem.

FC Kiffen vs. FC Futura   2.860   FC Kiffen -4.5   100.00   05/12/2024 13:27   186.00   05/12/2024 13:55
FC Kiffen vs. FC Futura   2.840   FC Kiffen -4.5   100.00   05/12/2024 13:27   184.00   05/12/2024 13:55
FC Kiffen vs. FC Futura   2.580   FC Kiffen -4.25   100.00   05/12/2024 13:26   158.00   05/12/2024 13:55
FC Kiffen vs. FC Futura   2.860   FC Kiffen -4.5   100.00   05/12/2024 13:26   186.00   05/12/2024 13:55
FC Kiffen vs. FC Futura   2.700   FC Kiffen -4.25   130.00   05/12/2024 13:25   221.00   05/12/2024 13:55
FC Kiffen vs. FC Futura   2.790   FC Kiffen -4.25   139.00   05/12/2024 13:22   248.81   05/12/2024 13:55

0.669 btc bet, thats $44k wager on a football match with amateurs playing. Why allow such high amounts Fairlay? Pretty clear your site is being used by matchfixers.

My thought exactly as well. They way the are acting here is scary and should be a warning to every player considering to play at this site.
Nobody took a site at the beginning but these actions by OP made it easy to side with the player over this.

This thread can also be a good reference for every site such as trustpilot and others since it reflects the mindset of fairlay in the best ( or in the this case the worst ) possible manner.

I'm... regretting their decision as well. The forum [as always] are more than ready to listen from neutral ground. There are many users who are capable of doing that. Simply moving this thread to scam accusations board will invites those users' attention. Instead, they choose to "clear this up" by having an investigator [unilaterally chosen, with unknown reputation, if I may add] to look for evidence of match-fixing.

Speaking for myself, I have several questions and opinions that [I'd like to think] can add momentum to that pendulum, which is one of the reason I asked newfish1 to start "defending" himself by describing his betting strategy, one that he claimed will help him with this case.

As expected since the beginning of their approach with this which they immediately permanent ban the user account and confiscate the user funds while you mentioned yourself that other bookie graded same much except you.

I really doubt you will seek authorities for investigation since you can just be quiet and let this issue forgotten in the future. You will just keep choosing other mediator until you get someone that will agree with you.

It’s a touché that you will be the one to file an investigation on this match which you mark match fixing. 

And why should you be the only ones in the betting world be feeling aggrieved to the point of declaring this game fixed?? Is it because of the players high winning rate that your alarm bells went off and declared the players games fixed ??

Tbh, I wouldn't be surprised if you are actually investigating the player and not that the game being fixed!!

And to simply all this, why didn't you ask other bookies around the forum to facilitate closure of this case because they too likely had this game on their books and would be the best advisors for this case..

Btw hope other players that lost this bet have the wager reopened awaiting your decision on this game!

If this was what you and your team was planning to do, why on earth did you talk about arbitrators within and outside the forum earlier? You backtracked yourself and proceeded to blame posters for questioning this stuff. Weird!

Not everyone are immediately supporting the punter like myself for example since the evidence that you provided definitely makes him look shady, but a transparent arbitration process should have been utilised to solve this issue.

Couldn`t agree more, I didn`t bother responding to that poor post. They have acted as unprofessional as it gets from various angles.

General "rant": I cannot repeat often enough how sad I am about the fact that online gamblers/bettors, especially in the crypto space (but not limited to) are easily kept hostage. It`s just crazy that as a player in an online casino, as soon as you win big, you will only be happy for a little while until you start worrying if you will actually get your winnings paid out...

No one "immediately" took sides with anyone. Your conduct and actions from the beginning of the thread has been unprofessional and overall terrible, at best. Your message further shows the unprofessional-ism, expecting the "random" player to be treated as a potential criminal.

And now again you are backtracking after coming yourself to seek arbitration and will opt for some random competent authority, which you may be referring to that way cause they have showed sympathy towards your actions.

You never wanted arbitration, you wanted people to support and agree with your decision, go where you will get that validation.

- Jay -

We have made an inquiry about the match-fixing allegations with a competent authority and an investigation was started. Funds will not be released, nor any further information shared until these investigations are completed. This is standard procedure and trumps any potential arbitration process.  Thank you for your help!

On another note about the reactions so far (and this will be probably the last statement on this forum about this):

We are very sorry to see, that reputable members of this community like efialtis and others immediately take side of some random (potentially criminal) guy over a business, that has a 10-year track record of serving all customers well and fairly. There must be a lot of scammers among the crypto bookmakers to make you react like this. 

It reminds us of the degen1 case. We were also accused of stealing (6-figures) from an honest gambler by various reputable parties in the space and everyone was certain, that the only right thing to do was to pay degen1 out immediately.  We were not allowed to speak about this case back then because investigations were ongoing, but it turned out, that degen1 was indeed a criminal, who stole large amounts of money from various parties. All funds were ultimately handed over to US authorities and were hopefully used to compensate his victims.   

You may always reach us via email.

I am ready to proceed with holydarkness as the mediator.

Fairlay has my funds in their possession, so there is nothing else I can do. When they confirm, we start the mediation process. I don't control the situation.

Added as well, I did not want to go this path because the player will probably not resolve his case now - at least not here.
Fairlay wasn't on BTT anyway, so they will probably just ignore the thread (and BTT) from now on.

I'll support a flag as well if @newfish1 raises it.

Only problem is a 100 win in this case in the court of public (bitcointalk) opinion does not guarantee that he will be paid. FairlaySupport has been offline for the past 3 days, if they remain inactive here for longer we will assume they have abandoned settling this case through this forum or at all and stuck to their first decision to withhold the funds.

I will be giving them a negative tag now till we get a reasonable response back.

- Jay -

Problem is, the player doesn't need to prove anything since he is not the accuser. If anybody needs to show proof it's fairlay. They claim the game is fixed, even though no other site does. There are plenty of projects that supervise European football but no site/company flagged the game in question as far as I know.

They can't confiscate funds just because it's their opinion the game was fixed. Facts count, opinions don't matter.

Also they have nothing to say about this for days now, which is kinda strange, isn't it?

To have a better closure on his case since it was initially brought up here so it’s better to complete his case by providing necessary evidence. I don’t see the point of hiding it here if he is confident that his evidence will surely give him 100 win on his case.

Does revealing the evidence here will cause less effect when he use it again on other mediator? I think the community wants to check it too. @Holydarkness requested it too.