Topic: Potential Match Fixing involving Finnish teams FC Futura and Ilves-Kissat - page 5. (Read 2952 times)

Fairlay is lucky not to have a flag as well.
'You cheated so I won't give you the money' is a baseline for 'not to be trusted'.

Did you read the thread at all? Fairlay came here asking for a 300$ arbitrator, then reneged even from that amateur approach once they realized they don't have any support.

If you have some sort of a deal with them, which seems likely considering you're defending them for this, use that influence to tell them how inappropriate their behavior is and stop telling us that they are in the business for 10 years. If they do business like this, it's a miracle they last for 10 days.

sure, I can agree that it may be ridiculous. Just as ridiculous as fake promos as well as Kick and YouTube videos that others are putting out.


Safety is a major part of the thread. People have 3 red tags on Fairlay that are unwarranted. There needs to be some type of comparison with other books to determine a base line on “not to be trusted”. That’s my disagreement with efialtis and it’s not personal since I like and respect efialtis. It's the same with holydarkness. I trust him even though we disagree on a lot.

That user as I mentioned earlier has been trying to whitewash their (fairlay) image, and he's replies has had striking similarities with the final message the official fairlay account made here;

Rating Place has ignored all of the comments here, solely focusing on their record of safety and wanting to draw users into a competition of which website is the safest, as if any of that should have importance in this isolated case.

Read again what I wrote and please comment on that - I did not say anything related to your response to me.

So did they share the ridiculous instagram bs or not?

You are one person that understands Fairlay. One thread doesn’t define 10 years of payouts. They are the only casino/book/ sports exchange that supported hard forks, their payouts are almost immediate. They have $52m in their cold storage. I didn’t start posting in this thread until page 7 other than mentioning holydarkness. I did this to give myself time to research even though I’ve been there 10 years.

Their negatives are that they have the worst UI of all books. They have one case that needs to be cleaned up.


 I think you should look more in to Fairlay. No one that plays at Fairlay would call them a scam. They aren’t one of the crypto books here that keeps stealing money for multi-accounting and jurisdiction. If they clean up the UI and take care of the fixed match, they would be the number 1 crypto sportsbook/exchange. They could be a mix of Pinny and BetFair.

Even now as is, no one can name a safer book.

Let`s keep it real, they seriously shared some instagram posts stating something like "There`s a market selling fixed matches and team X is mentioned often"... 

Yeah. They did embarass themselves for sure by going back on their own words just because they didn't with certain viewpoints. They definitely aren't a scam site, but they will lose punters with that sort of behaviour.

Their evidence did it make it look like some of those matches were fixed though and they are a sports betting exchange(Not a bookie).

This is the scary part TBH. Seeing how they behaved here and which arguments they used/defended, you'd think they are just starting with their business.

If they are really here for 10+ years, they should know better than to say 'ooh, this looks fixed'. The lack of understanding of sports for a sports bookie is baffling as well.

There are multiple market makers. Whether Fairlay is right or wrong in the ongoing case, everyone familiar with Fairlay realizes this is not some scam operation and huge bets go through them.

Fairlay has been invite only for some time now even though that seems to be changing. I opened my account in 2014 when all could sign up. After 10 years, there is now one case that even I may disagree with Fairlay. It’s still no reason to demonize Fairlay until we know all the facts.

There are 774 BTC in Fairlay's cold storage wallet https://fairlay.com/faq/#proof-of-reserves

Well at least they openly say here that this is not the case.



Would be sad to be lied to. But that would be no surprise at this point to be honest. But yet, we will never know I guess. They tell us whatever they want, just like in this case here.

because pinnacle is the marketmaker, everybody knows that, but fairlay doesnt say it out loud 

One thing that I’d like to address to give some background on Fairlay as far as winning big. People have been betting huge amounts of money at Fairlay for 10 years. Fairlay makes money on volume. As soon as there is a huge bet at Fairlay, the line moves immediately at Pinny.

My opinion is that casino must return the bet and give an opportunity to withdraw it at least. But it would be fair to pay the prize.
I bet several times on fixed matches(i understand it later, watching the match) and lost. The bookie returned depo for the winner and didn`t cancel the other bets in these matches. Here it looks the same. When casino win - they take the money, but when they lost - they don`t want to pay. It isn`t fair.

Ahh... I see and understand the situation better now. With that info in mind, though it's rather useless right now as the wheel is already in motion, the situation will be in a much better shape if they reached out to those individuals privately, ask for mediation, and move to other individuals when the previous one refused. The possible bias from having one person influence the outcome aside, opening this thread and asking those who [by their own words] feel qualified to apply only opens to interpretation that they're open for a public investigation and mediation.

Though, if their goal is to prove that the match is fixed, I'm not sure how feasible that is. In my opinion, no one has the capacity to pass that kind of decision. Well, they have the capability to decide whether a game is fixed or not, but they're not in capacity to do so, unless they're an officials.

An outcome of investigation to fixed match should be determined through questionings all parties being involved, like the players, the bettors, and who knows who else, and I don't think someone that's not appointed officially by the league has access to do so.


Not gonna be involved on this "sub-topic", but since my name being mentioned and to clarify things... yeah, peeps didn't slip any note when he reached me, informing me about the existence of the case, he simply made me aware of the situation.

I'm not trying hard to do anything. Name how many things they have done wrong in 10 years and I'll show you any casino of your choosing that has done more wrong in the past 10 months.

I know for a fact that they were going to agree to binding arbitration with someone that wasn't hand picked. They asked me for refferals. Talk with holydarkness. I didn't try to persuade holydarkness to choose any side when I told him of the case.

Edit- there may have been changes but years ago they had 2 or 3 market makers and some type of affiliation with Pinny. If things are the same now, there is no way they are looking to scam.

I don't think enough people have used fairlay to draw an opinion about it being safe and with their conduct through this thread they will have a very low rating at this point with many users here. I'll rate almost every active casino here (except those with active scam accusation threads) above them.

It's not subjective, they have been unprofessional from the get go and have not listened to any comments made from other users here, ending it by referring to the users here as scammers was the cherry on top.

You are trying hard to whitewash their image.

Name 1 casino at BCT that is safer than Fairlay. You aren’t getting involved in that because there is no one safer. Being an exchange does help.

I’m not looking to fight either. Everyone is just posting their thoughts on this case and sometimes it doesn’t come across as the way intended.

edit- sorry that I missed part of your question.

1. As is I would agree with the player. But I still think we need to hear the whole case. Even after that I may agree with the player since the book must prove the player wrong. As far as how they have been acting, that's subjective. Even if people come to the conclusion of being unproffesional I don't think that should be a valid reason to rule either way.

2. I'm not sure what you mean by failing to answer the valid question. Which one?

3. Again, please be more specific.

They asked me and changed their mind as soon as I asked some valid questions, which by the way, remain unanswered.

No idea how you get to the conclusion that they are the safest operator in the field. The way they have presented themselves in this case is simply unprofessional and I am wondering why you`d disagree with that. I am not here to fight with you or anyone else, I have nothing to win or lose, I share my thoughts and that`s about it.

Edit: Even if the player took advantage of insider information or whatever (which could very well be the case, I even wrote that), it doesn`t change the fact that they aren`t acting professionally.

Edit 2: You seem to ignore the valid questions that remain unanswered and don`t take any of that into consideration.

Edit 3: Would you mind responding to our questions/remarks, too - thank you.   I am not going to get involved in stuff such as "name a site that`s safer" - you can`t be serious.

Fairlay started the thread looking for a credible person to arbitrate. They didn’t ask the whole forum as I’d assume that some personal information may be discussed. Fairlay asked efialtis to arbitrate. Truth be told, out of every casino, sportsbook and exchange here, Fairlay is the safest and it’s not close. They aren’t stealing money for jurisdiction or multi-accounting.

The other cases are still open with only 1 or 0 replies from the site. Totally different than this case here where the site is basically banning a player over an own opinion.

That's why Fairlay got the red for their behaviour in this thread. They decided a game is fixed because they say so. There is no other site having having the same opinion. Game wasn't flagged, no other bookie cancelled the game.
Also they came here and were open to find a mediator, when they didn't like the opinion of the mediator they suggested themselves they quickly went back from that, which is also very strange.

By the way, Fairlay started this discussion here.
Anyway, let's see how this whole story plays out. There is nothing decided yet. A red tag can be changed but I think it is fair at this point to warn players when a site is acting like that. Just my personal opinion.