Topic: Potential Match Fixing involving Finnish teams FC Futura and Ilves-Kissat - page 4. (Read 2952 times)

LMAO, written like this, I can't help but feeling guilty for [allegedly] contributing on beating a dead horse. I agreed that the thread serve not much of a purpose after fairlay abandoned their initial plan and leave us hanging with no updates of their PI.

In my defense, though, the last dialogs did not happen exclusively between me and peeps, others are also engaged with him and I'm simply [attempting to] straighten some facts and state the obvious when the narrative and ideas started to swayed left and right.

Until recently I haven’t mentioned Fairlay in 10 years other than have their name in the rating guide and they don’t have a rating. Fairlay never asked for support, they asked for a referral. I gave out holydarkness as a referral. I stated I don’t know who is right. I have a bad habit of going off topic, ask those in scam accusations where most of my posts now come from.

• Putting the burden of helping the case move ahead on the player and not the platform that has reneged on their own proposed means of settlement and not taken any of the numerous advice that have been given by potential arbitrators they themselves had recommended.

• Construing people's words to make it seem they are subtly in support of Fairlay

• Diverting from the actual case and trying to drag others into a reputation tussle.

It's not out of place to assume Fairlay requested you come to the thread and defend them fteebthey decided they were digging bigger holes for themselves with their conduct and no one is going to tag you for your opinion on an open case.

Yep, everything has been said here.


This got my blood boiling a bit though.
I never said the games were rigged, I said games in amateur leagues have a higher chance of being rigged than in professional sports.
For that conclusion you only need a few healthy brain cells, nothing else.

Doesn't mean you get to combine the two and put incorrect conclusions into my mouth.

On point.
It also seems like this thread has just become a person conversation back and forth between Rating place and holydarkness, this doesn't help this case at all and only makes it more complicated.
I am not sure if the fairlay person will even come back at one point. The damage o their reputation in this forum is already done, and they did it to themselves which is the funniest part of it. Perfect example how to NOT address/handle a situation.

This entire drama reached a dead end sometime back itself when Fairlay decided to go back on their own words and arbitrate through some other means which they may or may not have actually done.

Also, newfish revealing his identity won't affect this entire drama in the slightest as holydarkness pointed out.

What good does it bring? Revealing his true identity. Fairlay hired a private investigator with an aim to prove that the match was fixed. I don't think that investigator will bother to read here and put newfish1's defense as a point of consideration, and I am sure him doxxing himself will not be in any part that the PI's findings report. If any, it'll just make newfish1's situation worse by having his true identity revealed to an open forum.

I think we’re at a dead end here. We don’t know what happened and won’t know unless newfish were to reveal his true identity. I don’t know who is right and have nothing more to add.

I'll advise not to. Unless Vurtnex can describe in public on how exactly will he help. I think, judging from the newbie account and that above being his first post, the likelihood of him trying to scam you is quite big.

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Vurtnex, please elaborate more, lest people consider you're a scammer and should be approached with caution.

@newfish1 contact me, I will try to help you

Hi guys,
i haven't posted anything as I was busy fixing the Ukrainian game in Euro 2024 yesterday. Had to pay a very big sum of money to our goalkeeper (he plays in Real Madrid, so he requested a very big bribe to let those goals in).

As I mentioned before, my last attempt to communicate with Fairlay was before all this bad publicity and all the tags. I did not want to taint their reputation or anything like that, so I proposed to them, that I would bet an insane amount of around 700 000 USD before being able to withdraw funds from them (and bet on the EURO 2024 tournament, biggest betting market possible).

They refused.

On a side note, I guess any person can do a two week research, and still miss the fact that one of 2  teams with Ukrainian players just a season before lost 4-34 in goals over 7 games without Ukrainian players

But, it is always easier to bring up the Ukrainian agenda.

A bystander could even think about a ruzzian or beloruzzian connection here ...

Just saying ...

How do you propose that investigator to unearth this "any type of affiliation"? Certainly it is a common understanding and agreement that shared nationality shouldn't be a strong enough proof of affiliation?

Should he inquired to Finnish DVV, see if he shared lineage with one of the player? Or perhaps, since he can't get an official warrant to scrutinize newfish1's personal things, hack into the his phone and search for his communication history, see if there any trace of communication between him and the involved players?

If the player has any type of affiliation with the other Ukrainian players then he’s obviously guilty. Fairlay can’t allow fixed games or they will never get volume in anything except something such as NFL or EPL. As soon as we get the background of the player we will know. That information should be limited to as few people as possible. The arbitrator should get that. It’s the exact same thing as Jontay Porter and co. Investigations aren’t public knowledge until some time after the crime.

Why not assume that fairlay actually made a deal with their player behind the screen, and then to safe face and to avoid any questions further about the case, they made that post of cessation?

The military police may have caught a game4a and sent him to the front
if he has left his home, he will be caught. and it can only be spread to women who will gather and get him out

And that is the extent of the capacity of arbitrator that fairlay choose, any arbitrator they choose, really, be it the one newfish1 agreed [efialtis and me] or the one they unilaterally choose, or the ones that [let's suppose] they finally decide to choose together later in the future: reasoning why the bets should be confiscated or paid.

This is not like a case of late-betting accusation that can be validated through matching the time of the player placing bets and the actual playtime, where the result pulled will be an absolut, a yes or a no. Nor a case of multi-acc that [privately or publicly] the casino can provide their findings and detection that matched one account to other, where the arbitrator will then validate those matches.

On this case, the arbitrator can't decide whether the game is rigged or not and that decision be taken as a fact to made a ruling. All they can do is take a spin into the case, walk through it, and pull their opinion and reason to justify why newfish1 should or should not be paid. That's the extent of what he can do, ethically.

With above statements as basis, then a question that I believe should be valid to be asked will be: then why bother looking for an independent arbitrator while all the independent people here [they're not affected at any degree with the outcome of this case, nor related to any party, thus safe to assume they're independent bodies] already take a look into the case, walk through it, and pull their opinion and reason why a step should be taken instead of the other?

Go with the majority decision, case closed. That simple.

The quote from Fairlay was long ago where they put out their email. In this thread, Fairlay did state that they found someone. You make all valid points. I've been posting points for Fairlay as it seems that the forum has turned on Fairlay and want to post counter points. I still haven't come out and said that they player is guilty although the more that I look into it and think about it, the player seems guilty. Even if guilty can Fairlay take his money? According to the ToS, yes. In the decision by the arbitrator, it would be nice to see his reasoning.

If I were going to be involved in match fixing and wanted to bet a nice sum, Fairlay is the first place I'd bet because you can use crypto and they are probably the most anonymous place to bet. Another thing that I'd like to find out, was there a substantial amount of money bet at other books. There are a few more unknowns to come to a conclusion.

As I previously said, the decision of the game being rigged or not should come from the officials, the one who held that match. It doesn't matter, it shouldn't matter, whether we believe a game is rigged or not, and it shouldn't be used by fairlay to make a ruling.

A simple example that come from the top of my head, basically any UFC match, you'll hear [for instance], "Silva got robbed", "what a daylight robbery", "there is no way he win that two rounds. The judge must be sleeping the whole time", "fire that judge, he's clearly paid" across the social media platform. People basically giving their opinion that the game is rigged, that the jury is not fair. Does that mean the match got annulled? No.

Let's go for something more on point, one that come to my mind when I typed above paragraph, a PFL match between Anthony Pettis v. Stevie Ray, fast forward to minutes 10:45. I remember there was an outrage on many social media, saying that there is no way it's a submission, some analyze that it's a very good and modified twister submission, some even asked if Pettis accidentally got a stomach cramp or something in the spirit of giving a benefit of doubt. Some argued that Pettis is a known gambler [he actually made it public through some posts of this activity on his social media] and the odds are very high on him, so he do the math and find a way to blank-blank-blank.

But let's suppose that above match is what being discussed here between fairlay and newfish1. Can fairlay really appointed someone to watch the video, do their investigation, ask a martial art master, a black belt BJJ sensei, or whatever he will do to get into a decision, and then fairlay use that decision as the final verdict? All while the official actually decided that the game is normal?

Bottomline: no one should have the capacity to made the ruling other than the PFL themselves. And likewise, no one should be able to decide the outcome of those Finnish games without a thorough and direct investigation to the parties being involved. So, going back to where I start this long paragraph, it doesn't really matter if two, three, or ten people agree, the decision should only come from the officials, after a thorough investigation.


Is it a fact? Do you know first-hand-ly that they're still looking for an arbitrator? If it's an assumption, why not assume that fairlay actually cut a deal with newfish1? Anyone notice that newfish1 is awfully silent? His last online date [as per the time this post made] was 10 June, one day before fairlay made their post to withdraw themselves and unilaterally choose an arbitrator.

Why not assume that fairlay actually made a deal with their player behind the screen, and then to safe face and to avoid any questions further about the case, they made that post of cessation?

1. We agree the games were rigged. At least you don’t deny it.
2. Fairlay put up an email address if someone wanted to arbitrate in private and no one did it. 3. Fairlay didn’t want to fully communicate with you, I or anyone else publicly and I’d assume privately if they weren’t the agreed arbiter.
4. There are rules against those that rig games.
5. The punter and most involved in fixing the matches in post 1 are Ukrainian.

This goes back to 2018 but still happening. https://www.rferl.org/amp/ukraine-accuses-35-football-clubs-hundreds-of-players-officials-with-match-fixing/29243784.html

We just need to know more about the punter.

Edit- when Jontay Porter of the NBA was accused earlier this year of rigging sports bets, DraftKings didn’t pay him although other sportsbooks paid.

Why is there a need for quotes? I did not create a narrative, I invited Fairlay to communicate more clearly and transparently from the beginning. The narrative created itself - because Fairlay acts the way they do.
They copied Instagram posts as proof that games are rigged, juggled between potential arbitrators and failed to communicate properly on their strategy going forward. The general consensus is that they don't give a s%&t.

It is also borderline criminal to decide the game is rigged without evidence.

I don't really care if the game is rigged, of course games in amateur sports can be rigged.
That's why you don't allow a 100k$ bet on such markets. If you do - pay up.

You can't have an opinion about it though, you need to have confirmation from the governing body.

You keep saying that I'm taking Fairlay's side. I have never taken Fairlay's side. The thread started May 29. I did 2 weeks of research before making any comments. Then said I'd take the player's side even though there are games that are obviously fixed. It’s just that the standard is high to call fix and would like to see more evidence. How did this player come about knowing the game was rigged or if he was even aware. Full betting history is needed along with his background.

Give quotes where Fairlay has been unprofessional since people keep repeating it. Please show actual quotes instead of creating a narrative.

Is there anyone that thinks none of these games were rigged?