Topic: ⚽ Premier League 2023/2024 Discussion Thread ⚽ - page 7. (Read 57948 times)

Yep, that's true. Bookmakers estimate Liverpool's chances at 2.25 and City's at 3.25, meaning the combined probability of one of the pair becoming champions is 75%. They also leave Arsenal with certain chances, but apparently only out of respect 
The only thing that can break the "logical development of events" is injuries. As we have seen in the last two years, the game calendar is overloaded and players get serious injuries in huge numbers. This can knock any top club out of the race.

When I say unexpected I actually feel that in the end it's not Manchester United who are unexpected because the performance remains the same as before even if it's worse for now but in this case I don't say it's unexpected because in the end it's just like usual for them.

Instead, when I say unexpected for now I am more focused on Nottingham Forrest at the start of this season because indeed for now they are an unexpected club for me because seeing the performance they have is very contrary to what they showed last season.

Although this condition may only be temporary for them, it is still difficult to predict that a club with a lack of resources like them can ultimately be better than a club that is richer in terms of finance and squad owned.

I know you are right, some people just don't want Manchester City to defend their title again this season and they think this is an opportunity for other teams including Liverpool and others. But still, Manchester City have proven to us that they are able to fix the problem of less consistent performance in the first half of the season and they also experienced this last season.

Manchester City and Liverpool currently have a 5 point gap in the standings and I don't think this is an impossible gap to overcome. Manchester City just needs to improve their performance and wait for Liverpool's mistakes, this will increase the pressure on Liverpool.

That is correct, people do not realize what they are doing at this point, they think that this will be something that will change a lot but in reality it didn't change at all. City will end up getting better near the end of the season when everyone else gets worse. That's what happened last season as well, we have seen City drop to as low as third, and Arsenal vs Liverpool became the talk for many people, in the end the other two lost and City ended up getting the title again.

Consistency is the key, and just because they lost some games, doesn't mean that City can't figure out a way to replace Rodri and get the win. I believe we are going to end up with a lot better results for them when they are given the chance. Of course this isn't really something that will take a long time, we just need to focus on what kind of recovery they will have and how. Pep is a master coach, he knows what to do and I bet that he will figure out a way that will shock the world.

It cannot also be said to be a seasonal disease but it is undeniable that for now even though Pep can mix his squad well when there are no several important players, especially for the midfield, in the last few seasons, especially in the last 2 seasons, they have always experienced problems of decline in performance, especially when there are no KDB and Rodri in their squad and it still cannot be controlled by Pep until now even though he has been looking for new options by bringing Kovavic from Chelsea but the situation has not experienced many significant changes.

As for the problem of this competition, it still looks quite reasonable even though now Liverpool seems to be running alone with a gap of 5 points but with a long schedule especially now that we will only just start in the middle of the season I think this is still very fixable especially 5 points is not something that is actually too worried because they even felt they had a bigger gap 2 seasons ago when Arsenal outperformed even up to 10 points.

Even if that's the case, there still have to be changes made because even though this seems to be catchable but when Pep and Manchester City can't make changes to improve the chaotic performance in recent weeks it will clearly become a more serious problem if left unchecked.

I must say you're correct but then, this same squad won games and scored many goals with this same set of players last season. Its good to see some names back from injury so they can do what they did last season. Again,  the tactics of Mikel Arteta has gradually become too defensive and boring. Maybe were going to see a different Arsenal come next week against Notin Forest at home. Good the club captain is safe and fit for that game.

They've done quite well this season and on their position, Remember I guess Aston Villa if I'm not wrong was somewhere in this type of position they're now last season but when it gets to a particular point in the season, the positions get chosen and then teams will know where they belong to, But It will be interesting to see them finish up in a that position at the end of the season if possible.

From the statistics that's provided in the table, Arsenal though didn't have a change their position have had a lesser number of points than Manchester City who were leading the league table after 11 games last season. Arsenal after 11 games last season had 24 points points but have been able to garner 19 after playing same number of games this season while Manchester City who lost one just place from their position of last season have been able to pick 23 points this season as against their 27 points after 11 league games last season.
I think English Premier League this season will be more competitive than it's been on recent years which I think will make it even more interesting.

Nottingham Forest's temporary achievement this season is indeed good. Their player Chris Wood has scored 8 goals in 11 matches. He performed better than last season which scored 14 goals throughout the season. I'm sure he can still add to his goals. Their game is quite good, they managed to hold Chelsea and Brighton to a draw when playing away, even giving Liverpool their first defeat in 11 matches. Nottingham Forest is developing very well, hopefully, they can maintain it considering the season is still long and many matches might be quite difficult for them.

The performance of the English league teams is quite interesting to see when entering the current international break, although there are still many possibilities for changes to occur after the league resumes, but so far Nottingham is the team that has surprised us the most with their improved performance, they has now shown that they can compete with big teams in the top 4 zone although I doubt if they can be consistent until the end of the season.

Everton, on the other hand, have not changed and learned from the experience of last season, this season they are back to a slow start to the league and if that continues then it seems that the luck to avoid relegation like last season will be difficult for us to see.

Liverpool have shown that the change of coach has actually given them a positive impact, previously many doubted that Slot could bring Liverpool better than Klopp this season, but in the meantime they are able to lead the EPL and also UCL.

While for Arsenal, Manchester City and Aston Villa, it looks like this season they won't be able to repeat what they achieved last season, apart from a significant drop in their consistency at the moment, I think player injuries will be the main factor that prevents them from being better than last season.

Arsenal have be unable to accompany anything tangible for their self and after the much struggling they are still unable to win the premier league trophy, everything looks faster than last season and no one expected to see arsenal like this especially their fans and I pity them because with all there confidence of winning the premier league we still have not seen the title in their hand, it is just has if arsenal and is fans are dreaming and the earlier they wake up from that dream because arsenal have been dreaming from a very long time and they will find it hard to bring it to reality, because they keep doing the same thing every season so their is no hope for arsenal again especially for this season.

Arsenal have been on a chase for a long time and I can say fully say that this is the worst season for them and they are struggling really hard, and even the red card affected them a lot and the pattern that arteta came with also reduced their performance.

At this moment, I am not happy with Arsenal as their performances have dropped this season. I was expecting Arsenal to be in greater form than the last two seasons and to try to win the Premier League this season because of more signings. However, with the results they are getting, their chances of winning the Premier League title this season are decreasing as Liverpool continues to increase the points gap between them.

This season should have been a great one for Arsenal, as Manchester City is not in great form. Manchester City has been their biggest problem over the past two seasons, and now that City is not in top form, Arsenal is also messing up and still seems likely to miss this great opportunity. Arsenal needs to be serious; otherwise, it is possible they may not even end up in the top four, especially since other teams are currently so serious.

What I noticed was Nottingham Forest. A very striking sight occurred in the table standings 2023/24 - 2024/25. This is a good progress shown by Nottingham Forest.
Besides Nottingham Forest, Everton is also my concern. If Everton remains like now, maybe they are at the end of the season to fight not to be degraded.
For Liverpool, we always monitor it. The new season Arne Slot is happy but we don't expect much to him.

Yes, about the team that has better results than other teams until mid-season, then that team will have a very good chance of getting the trophy. So yes, I will also be able to admit that Liverpool have a chance to get the trophy this season, and also be the first season for Arne Slot with impressive success. About Nottingham, I think a few days ago at least I saw someone discussing Nottingham.

But the point is, as far as I'm concerned the underdogs won't be able to maintain their position in the best position in the table. Because at least, basically they don't have the same good squad depth and thus, it would be possible for them to then decline. But at least, although Nottingham managed to finish in the top zone of the table, but to finish in the top four  I think it will still be difficult for Nottingham.

Chelsea have really had a tough time in their last 5 games, and the most unfortunate thing is that they failed to get full points when they played against Nottingham Forest. I know that Nottingham Forest have been quite impressive so far, but Chelsea have the advantage of playing at home in that match. If only they had better effectiveness I think they would have won that match.


I have no idea how long they will be able to maintain their good run, but what is clear is that they really know how to surprise. Forest not only managed to hold Chelsea to a draw, but they also managed to beat Liverpool, even though Liverpool was playing at home in that match.

I'm really satisfied with seeing Chelsea in 3rd place for now. Because I have really missed to see them being more competitive in the PL. However I can't say they have been doing pretty good on the recent weeks. 3 draws and 1 lose in the last 5 games...    This is really worrying as a Chelsea fan here.

All of those games were tough ones though. But you just can't make an excuse for those poor results anyway. It looks like they still struggle in big games which keeps them away from the PL title race.


I'm also surprised with that. Nottingham are like reborn these days. This performance is promising for a European competition ticket but I know it is still early to talk about such things. 

I also agree with you, it seems that Arsenal's hopes of competing for the EPL trophy can be said to have failed considering Arsenal's performance is back in the spotlight after they failed to show their best performance which resulted in them being nine points behind the first rank, maybe their target this season is to be in the top 4. Liverpool this season is very strong, if they can be consistent they can win the trophy from Man City this season especially Man City is having serious problems after experiencing four consecutive defeats.

Arsenal's poor performance record due to the effectiveness of the attack seems to be a big problem for the arena, although they create many opportunities but Arsenal sometimes cannot make the most of their opportunities and instead have difficulty scoring goals at the end of the match. Actually if you think about it Arteta never learns from his mistakes, From last season the problem is still the same which is needing a pure striker. But what can you do, every time the player transfer is opened Arteta never seriously looks at the striker.

This season, Arsenal's illness has relapsed more quickly than expected, Arsenal has started to lag behind Liverpool who currently still dominate the standings. The performance is very different from the previous two seasons, even though Arsenal were very active in the transfer market last summer, but it did not help much. I also think Arsenal's declining performance is due to mental factors, even though Arteta has fought hard to make Arsenal a team capable of maintaining competition in the title race, but they always fail at the end of the season. This time their target is very far from expectations, at least they must try to finish in the top four so they can appear in the UCL next season.

I've been watching PL for a long time now and it seems to have its own patterns. Any team that plays dominantly until the middle of the season has a very good chance of winning the league title. Based on the current case study in the PL standings, I personally think Liverpool has a better chance of winning. BTW, talking about the standings, why is no one talking about Nottingham Forest? They have been great so far.

Nothing always goes smoothly for every team, and Manchester City may be in a slump right now, but things will improve soon as it happens to all teams. And as we know many Manchester City players are injured which makes them decline, but I don't believe that because Manchester City always have good backup players and also have almost the same quality if there are good players who are injured. It is true what you said Manchester City are still in second place in the standings and that is a good thing, and if Manchester City make changes they will be far behind Liverpool who are currently in good form and are at the top of the standings, and being 5 points behind is not an easy thing for Manchester City especially if Liverpool can maintain or improve their performance.
And for me among the others, the most surprising one is Notthingham Forest and this is a dark horse to watch out for.