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I agree that Man City is not really regressing, it's just that with Liverpool back on track and in their most consistent form, so Man City existence looks like it is regressing, when in fact it is not too significant. Regardless I'm quite happy with Liverpool's comeback as a reminder to Man City that they can't hold onto the Premier League forever.

Let’s leave Liverpool excellent start to the season aside and focus on the fact that both Manchester city and Arsenal are having a very bad start to the year. I wouldn’t say that Manchester City is actually regressing but certainly they have been poor which in like the entire period since Pep took over Manchester city, they have never lost four times in row with even humiliating results like that against sporting Lisbon and bowing out of the carling cup like they did. So there is actually a very big decline in Manchester city performance, although against Tottenham who for like two seasons back now have been a very big obstacle to Manchester city but with them also finding it hard to win games I think could be the game where Manchester city kick start their season back
Premier League competition is always tough so Manchester City dropped points in some matches early on and taking advantage of this opportunity Liverpool went well above the points but later on it will be difficult for Manchester City to get these points again. In other seasons Manchester City has topped the points table with more points than all other teams but this season we see Liverpool occupying that position of Manchester City. If Manchester City is not able to change their performance quickly then they may fall behind by more points before the end of the mid season so Manchester City must be careful in the upcoming matches so that they can perform well in their next competitions.
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The 2024/2025 Premier League is shaping up to be another exciting season. Manchester City remains the team to beat, but Arsenal, Liverpool, and Manchester United are all strong contenders for the title. The fight for Champions League spots will be intense, with Tottenham and Chelsea aiming for a bounce-back season. Brighton and Newcastle continue to impress, while relegation battles could be fierce for clubs like Sheffield United and Luton. Fans of Liverpool, Manchester United, and Arsenal are especially hyped for the competition this year!
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While I can see why people may think that Nottingham Forrest and Arsenal have a similar amount of points, it's also not an easy thing to suggest that they are same quality level of team, it's clear that we are seeing a lot bigger differences and not going to be that easy neither.

We should be focusing on how to get better results for the long term and we could potentially make that work for the longer term as well. Not an easy task at all, and could definitely be a bigger deal than most people are expecting, but that doesn't mean that we are going to see a simple solution to any of this neither.

We need to make sure that things are looking differently and we could potentially make a bigger return for betting on Arsenal, that's what gambling would suggest.

Normally we all know the huge difference of squad value between these teams. But sometimes it isn't all about the squad quality. Arsenal are having a really tough time these days. They couldn't get a win for 4 weeks... This is just too much for a team in the title race. At the moment, they aren't much of a title challenger though considering Liverpool have made the gap 9 points.  Tongue

Nottingham are really surprising so far. But we haven't even reached the end of the first half of the season. Will they be able to keep this up that long? I doubt that for now but I'm not against it.
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This kind of competition is what is expected, Liverpool return makes Man City have to reflect more on their abilities, they have to realize that the sky will not always be cloudy. What Man City experienced this season was clearly beyond their expectations because so far Arsenal has been their only toughest competitor, but Liverpool is not Arsenal, they performed very consistently and Arne Slot immediately made an evaluation after they lost to Nottingham Forest and now they have not been touched by defeat including in the UCL. The EPL is not the Bundesliga where one team can dominate by retaining the trophy for 11 consecutive seasons or Seria A when Juventus won the Scudetto for 9 consecutive seasons, Man City must realize that.
The point is in the Premier League if you always appear consistent every season by winning trophies, don't be satisfied and think you will always be safe. This is the most competitive league and every club can give a surprise at any time, for example this season no one expected that Nottingham Forest could reach 5th position from 11 matches that have been played so that they are in the top team environment of the standings. Because if you look back to last season, Nottingham Forest was almost relegated and finally finished in 17th position as the last club. Therefore the Premier League is more interesting than other Leagues in Europe.
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I agree that Man City is not really regressing, it's just that with Liverpool back on track and in their most consistent form, so Man City existence looks like it is regressing, when in fact it is not too significant. Regardless I'm quite happy with Liverpool's comeback as a reminder to Man City that they can't hold onto the Premier League forever.
This kind of competition is what is expected, Liverpool return makes Man City have to reflect more on their abilities, they have to realize that the sky will not always be cloudy. What Man City experienced this season was clearly beyond their expectations because so far Arsenal has been their only toughest competitor, but Liverpool is not Arsenal, they performed very consistently and Arne Slot immediately made an evaluation after they lost to Nottingham Forest and now they have not been touched by defeat including in the UCL. The EPL is not the Bundesliga where one team can dominate by retaining the trophy for 11 consecutive seasons or Seria A when Juventus won the Scudetto for 9 consecutive seasons, Man City must realize that.
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The problem faced by Manchester City this season is not just injuries to several key players, Liverpool increasing performance is also a factor that Manchester City is starting to have difficulty dominating the standings. If Liverpool had not performed as well as they have this season, Manchester City might still be at the top of the standings. Now Arne Slot is a big threat to Guardiola in dominating the EPL, Liverpool is still consistently maintaining its best performance and this is clearly not good news for Manchester City.

There is no way Liverpool performance has in anyway affected Manchester city. Manchester city and Liverpool hasn't played each other this season. They are two different clubs and they have their distinct ways of achieving their goals. Manchester city performance this season is mainly attributed to their players being injured. Lasting season Arsenal performed far better than Liverpool is doing this season, why didn't it affect Manchester city to be having bad results? I have never seen where another team good performance is responsible for another bad performances. A team suddenly starts performing badly once they lose their to players either through injuries or through sales. But in the case of Manchester city, injury is the primary source of their bad performances currently.

You are right, Liverpool performance is in no way connected to Manchester City bad condition. If not for the injured players, we haven't seen Manchester City lose four games in a row in a long time. However, last season, as Arsenal were challenging Manchester City for the league's top spot, they also took over the league from them. But Manchester City refuses to give up because the team has the best players fit and fought hard to defeat Arsenal at the end of the season. Liverpool currently leads the league because of injuries in Manchester City's squad. But if Doku, Grealish, and Rúben Días are fully recovered, Manchester City can fight for their place at the top of the league.

On the other hand, we're not sure if Liverpool will continue their excellent pattern until the end of the season, like they did last season, because Manchester City is a stubborn team. Liverpool's play declined towards the end of the previous season under Klopp, and Manchester United was the team that eliminated them from the FA Cup. Maybe now that they have a new manager, they can win the league title, which they won last in the past five seasons.
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Actually, playing 11 matches is not enough to say that Man City cannot perform like last season because Man City's important players were injured at the beginning of this season which caused their performance to decline, on the other hand, Liverpool players are fit and important players have contributed since the beginning of the season, that's what makes Liverpool's performance impressive, just wait when Man City players have recovered and returned to the field, you might see Man City's performance like last season.
The problem faced by Manchester City this season is not just injuries to several key players, Liverpool increasing performance is also a factor that Manchester City is starting to have difficulty dominating the standings. If Liverpool had not performed as well as they have this season, Manchester City might still be at the top of the standings. Now Arne Slot is a big threat to Guardiola in dominating the EPL, Liverpool is still consistently maintaining its best performance and this is clearly not good news for Manchester City.

There is no way Liverpool performance has in anyway affected Manchester city. Manchester city and Liverpool hasn't played each other this season. They are two different clubs and they have their distinct ways of achieving their goals. Manchester city performance this season is mainly attributed to their players being injured. Lasting season Arsenal performed far better than Liverpool is doing this season, why didn't it affect Manchester city to be having bad results? I have never seen where another team good performance is responsible for another bad performances. A team suddenly starts performing badly once they lose their to players either through injuries or through sales. But in the case of Manchester city, injury is the primary source of their bad performances currently.
This is an important warning for Man City that this season they must work hard to maintain their dominance after a series of positive results experienced by Liverpool under the direction of Aren Slot. And indeed the decline experienced by Man City at this time the main factor is some important players who are injured but if we see they are a big team and trained by an experienced coach they should at least be able to maintain a slightly more stable appearance and not experience 4 consecutive defeats at the beginning of the season, Pep must understand that in this increasingly dense schedule he should not only rely on core players, the second layer must also play a role in every match he plays, or indeed Pep this season has run out of his genius ideas.
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Actually, playing 11 matches is not enough to say that Man City cannot perform like last season because Man City's important players were injured at the beginning of this season which caused their performance to decline, on the other hand, Liverpool players are fit and important players have contributed since the beginning of the season, that's what makes Liverpool's performance impressive, just wait when Man City players have recovered and returned to the field, you might see Man City's performance like last season.
The problem faced by Manchester City this season is not just injuries to several key players, Liverpool increasing performance is also a factor that Manchester City is starting to have difficulty dominating the standings. If Liverpool had not performed as well as they have this season, Manchester City might still be at the top of the standings. Now Arne Slot is a big threat to Guardiola in dominating the EPL, Liverpool is still consistently maintaining its best performance and this is clearly not good news for Manchester City.

There is no way Liverpool performance has in anyway affected Manchester city. Manchester city and Liverpool hasn't played each other this season. They are two different clubs and they have their distinct ways of achieving their goals. Manchester city performance this season is mainly attributed to their players being injured. Lasting season Arsenal performed far better than Liverpool is doing this season, why didn't it affect Manchester city to be having bad results? I have never seen where another team good performance is responsible for another bad performances. A team suddenly starts performing badly once they lose their to players either through injuries or through sales. But in the case of Manchester city, injury is the primary source of their bad performances currently.
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Actually, playing 11 matches is not enough to say that Man City cannot perform like last season because Man City's important players were injured at the beginning of this season which caused their performance to decline, on the other hand, Liverpool players are fit and important players have contributed since the beginning of the season, that's what makes Liverpool's performance impressive, just wait when Man City players have recovered and returned to the field, you might see Man City's performance like last season.
The problem faced by Manchester City this season is not just injuries to several key players, Liverpool increasing performance is also a factor that Manchester City is starting to have difficulty dominating the standings. If Liverpool had not performed as well as they have this season, Manchester City might still be at the top of the standings. Now Arne Slot is a big threat to Guardiola in dominating the EPL, Liverpool is still consistently maintaining its best performance and this is clearly not good news for Manchester City.

Why blame Liverpool for Manchester City's current problems? Isn't it the duty of any club to perform to their full potential in the league and provide fierce competition and that is what Liverpool have done this season under Arne Slot.
Man City's decline has nothing to do with Liverpool's improving performance if Man City had performed consistently they would not be below Liverpool and would have the same or more points so they should evaluate their mistakes and start competing fairly in the title race this season.
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Things are stacking up nicely for Liverpool, this weekend they are playing an away game against Southampton, who are at the very bottom of the table with only one win and one draw in 11 games. It doesn't get any easier than that.
Meanwhile, their biggest rival, Man City will be desperate for a win over Tottenham after the horrible 4 matches losing streak. It may not be easy though, Tottenham is not doing that well in the league (10th place) but can be very dangerous. In their last game three weeks ago, Man City got beaten 2-1 in the EFL Cup game which marked the beginning of that 4 losses run.
A similar thing with Arsenal, they haven't won any of their last 3 games and have something to prove, but they're facing Nottm Forest, who are the dark horse of this season, so anything can happen.

Liverpool is having one of their best season ever, being at the top of the League and also leading in the Champion League table is not easy, Liverpool has a good performance under their new Coach and they deserve the credit, Liverpool did not sign players like the other teams did before the League should start but they are having a good performance that shows that Arn slot is a good coach, I don't think there will be any team that can challenge Liverpool and stop them from winning the League trophy this season, even Manchester City can't stop them.

Manchester City will end in second position or third position this season and I can even bet about that because Manchester City has not been playing well like the way they did last season, Arsenal is the one that is supposed to use the advantage that Liverpool has this season to win the League trophy but they fail by not be able to defeat some teams, For some of us that thinking Nottingham forest is having a good performance and they can end up in a third or fourth position in the League table we should not expect much from Nottingham forest because I am doubting that they will end up in seven positions.
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Liverpool not looking worse is as important as City looking worse. If Liverpool didn't do well because of the managerial change nobody would be shocked about it, it was clear that we would see them not do that great and it would be understandable, but that doesn't mean that we are going to just accept what Liverpool is doing as normal, that's not really that normal and it's understandable to say that what the yare doing even after a managerial change is still a big deal.

City is doing worse because they are missing one of the most important players they have and that is why they had some trouble recovering, they may not do great for a while, they will eventually start winning games of course but they are not doing great so far, they need to recover and if anyone can do that, I bet that Pep can do that because that dude is probably the greatest manager ever and that is why he will figure out a way to get the title again, it will be even harder job to keep at the top spot for Liverpool.
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Actually, playing 11 matches is not enough to say that Man City cannot perform like last season because Man City's important players were injured at the beginning of this season which caused their performance to decline, on the other hand, Liverpool players are fit and important players have contributed since the beginning of the season, that's what makes Liverpool's performance impressive, just wait when Man City players have recovered and returned to the field, you might see Man City's performance like last season.
The problem faced by Manchester City this season is not just injuries to several key players, Liverpool increasing performance is also a factor that Manchester City is starting to have difficulty dominating the standings. If Liverpool had not performed as well as they have this season, Manchester City might still be at the top of the standings. Now Arne Slot is a big threat to Guardiola in dominating the EPL, Liverpool is still consistently maintaining its best performance and this is clearly not good news for Manchester City.

I agree with you that the Manchester City problem this season is not just caused by injuries because Manchester City has a good squad depth that could help Manchester City improve their performance, but they are still finding it difficult to win their matches in the Premier League when their key players are injured. Even though Liverpool were not performing well this season and not topping the Premier League table, Manchester City's bad performance this season will still show because Manchester City have not lost 4 consecutive matches in a season since Pep Guardiola became Manchester City head coach. Maybe Pep Guardiola's time at Manchester City is coming to an end, and Manchester City need another coach that will help them challenge for the Premier League title.
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I agree that Man City is not really regressing, it's just that with Liverpool back on track and in their most consistent form, so Man City existence looks like it is regressing, when in fact it is not too significant. Regardless I'm quite happy with Liverpool's comeback as a reminder to Man City that they can't hold onto the Premier League forever.

Let’s leave Liverpool excellent start to the season aside and focus on the fact that both Manchester city and Arsenal are having a very bad start to the year. I wouldn’t say that Manchester City is actually regressing but certainly they have been poor which in like the entire period since Pep took over Manchester city, they have never lost four times in row with even humiliating results like that against sporting Lisbon and bowing out of the carling cup like they did. So there is actually a very big decline in Manchester city performance, although against Tottenham who for like two seasons back now have been a very big obstacle to Manchester city but with them also finding it hard to win games I think could be the game where Manchester city kick start their season back
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Things are stacking up nicely for Liverpool, this weekend they are playing an away game against Southampton, who are at the very bottom of the table with only one win and one draw in 11 games. It doesn't get any easier than that.
Meanwhile, their biggest rival, Man City will be desperate for a win over Tottenham after the horrible 4 matches losing streak. It may not be easy though, Tottenham is not doing that well in the league (10th place) but can be very dangerous. In their last game three weeks ago, Man City got beaten 2-1 in the EFL Cup game which marked the beginning of that 4 losses run.
A similar thing with Arsenal, they haven't won any of their last 3 games and have something to prove, but they're facing Nottm Forest, who are the dark horse of this season, so anything can happen.
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Liverpool good team will play against Southampton full strength team. But we know that Liverpool team is favorite because they are doing great in last matches and they have good ranking .  Liverpool is present at the top of points table and all teams are impressed by the performance of Liverpool team. Liverpool won most of matches of 1st in Premier League and they have 28 points on points table and Man City team is is very far and Liverpool doing progress ,so there is no chance of  first position of Man City.Southampton full strength team should work on their defense because if they make their defense strong,they can win this match because Liverpool team will take that team as a small team.

Liverpool's performance this season has been really good, they were making the new manager feel very happy by winning their games and becoming first in the league. They seem to be the favorite to win the league championship this season. However, we shouldn't put Manchester City away just yet because they haven't completed half of the season's games, and they are 5 points behind Liverpool at the top of the league. There is an opportunity for Manchester City to close the gap before the season finishes, if they get back to their winning ways, I am confident that they can secure the top league position from Liverpool since we don't know what strategies Guardiola will come up with.

However, Liverpool's next away game will be with Southampton, and knowing that Manchester United has been playing poorly and defeated them by three goals, it is clear that Liverpool will be able to gain points against them to increase the league standings points from Manchester City. Arne Slot may decide not to utilize his first-tier players in order to prevent any injuries due to their next Champions League match against Real Madrid.
No doubt, Liverpool full strength football team is doing great in this season but they can lose next matches because every team has good time and every team has bad time but now we are watching how far  Liverpool full strength team will have good time. Man City is good team of that tournament and they will win next matches abd that want to get first position but I think we will be very close to Liverpool because in the next matches, points table ranking will be change and we will see excellent performance by side of Man City. Man City is properly prepared for next match which it will play against Tottenham Hotspur . That will be hard match of the tournament but winner will be Man City as expected.
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While I can see why people may think that Nottingham Forrest and Arsenal have a similar amount of points, it's also not an easy thing to suggest that they are same quality level of team, it's clear that we are seeing a lot bigger differences and not going to be that easy neither.

We should be focusing on how to get better results for the long term and we could potentially make that work for the longer term as well. Not an easy task at all, and could definitely be a bigger deal than most people are expecting, but that doesn't mean that we are going to see a simple solution to any of this neither.

We need to make sure that things are looking differently and we could potentially make a bigger return for betting on Arsenal, that's what gambling would suggest.
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The problem faced by Manchester City this season is not just injuries to several key players, Liverpool increasing performance is also a factor that Manchester City is starting to have difficulty dominating the standings. If Liverpool had not performed as well as they have this season, Manchester City might still be at the top of the standings. Now Arne Slot is a big threat to Guardiola in dominating the EPL, Liverpool is still consistently maintaining its best performance and this is clearly not good news for Manchester City.
I agree that Man City is not really regressing, it's just that with Liverpool back on track and in their most consistent form, so Man City existence looks like it is regressing, when in fact it is not too significant. Regardless I'm quite happy with Liverpool's comeback as a reminder to Man City that they can't hold onto the Premier League forever.

Yes indeed, if Manchester City has a poor performance and is outside the top four, then it might be called a setback or maybe also a collapse. But at this moment, although Manchester City are being seen as having a declining performance, but in fact Manchester City are still in second place. Thus, then of course Manchester City are still on the path of trophy hunting this season. Thus, Liverpool also still have to be careful, because Manchester City are still very likely to recover quickly to create a closer gap to threaten Liverpool's position at the top of the standings.

After all, Liverpool and Manchester City only have a gap of five points and of course, such a point gap is still classified as a close point gap and it is still very possible to overtake. Because after all, basically Pep Guardiola is also still in the Manchester City coaching chair and thus, Manchester City will still always have a chance to get good results. But indeed, I also really hope for success for Liverpool this season, because Liverpool also have good results in the Champion League so far.
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The problem faced by Manchester City this season is not just injuries to several key players, Liverpool increasing performance is also a factor that Manchester City is starting to have difficulty dominating the standings. If Liverpool had not performed as well as they have this season, Manchester City might still be at the top of the standings. Now Arne Slot is a big threat to Guardiola in dominating the EPL, Liverpool is still consistently maintaining its best performance and this is clearly not good news for Manchester City.
I agree that Man City is not really regressing, it's just that with Liverpool back on track and in their most consistent form, so Man City existence looks like it is regressing, when in fact it is not too significant. Regardless I'm quite happy with Liverpool's comeback as a reminder to Man City that they can't hold onto the Premier League forever.
Manchester City is obviously regressing, I don't know why you guys want to make it look like they are in their good form. Since the reign of Pep Guardiola in Manchester City this is the worst performance he has gotten losing 4 consecutive matches. I remember clearly in the past seasons that Manchester City dominated, they didn't dominate in isolation, because both Arsenal and Liverpool were also in the race maybe towards the 11th hour Manchester City will outsmart them. So it is important that we acknowledge that Manchester City is having a poor performance this time around and if they did not change from this performance, it will be difficult for them to win this season English Premier League.
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Liverpool's performance in the first 11 games of last season and the points they had are similar to what they have seen this season. However, the biggest proof that Manchester City is not able to perform like last season this season is the points table of this season. Liverpool and Manchester City have played equal number of matches in the Premier League with Liverpool topping the points table with 28 points while Manchester City are second in the points table with 23 points. That is, by playing this small number of matches, a big gap of five points has been created between Manchester City and Liverpool. If Liverpool performs like this until the end of the season, on the contrary, if Manchester City does such a messy performance, it goes without saying that Liverpool's title will be confirmed a few matches before the end of the season.
Actually, playing 11 matches is not enough to say that Man City cannot perform like last season because Man City's important players were injured at the beginning of this season which caused their performance to decline, on the other hand, Liverpool players are fit and important players have contributed since the beginning of the season, that's what makes Liverpool's performance impressive, just wait when Man City players have recovered and returned to the field, you might see Man City's performance like last season.
I agree with you because this is not the first time we have seen Manchester City perform like this, and they end up winning the Premier League title. I know that Manchester City's performance will change for good if their key players return from injury, but before then they should try and keep a close with Liverpool; if not, it will be difficult for them to overtake Liverpool in the Premier League table. Manchester City's next match is against Tottenham Hotspur; if they fail to beat Tottenham Hotspur at Etihad Stadium and Liverpool beat Southampton, the point gap between Liverpool and Manchester City in the Premier League table will be way too much, which will make it difficult for Manchester City to win the league even though their key players regain fitness.
Manchester City performed well last season and they won the Premier League title but they have to wait till the last match to win their title last season. However, although Manchester City performed relatively well in the last season, this season Manchester City is not able to perform as well as last season. If we discuss the last three seasons of Manchester City, then we can see that the performance of Manchester City has decreased gradually. Manchester City did not have to wait until the end of the season to win the Premier League title in the 22/23 season, but Manchester City struggled a bit in the 23/24 season. Manchester City is seen to struggle more in the 24/25 season than the 23/24 season. If this continues, we may not see Manchester City as Premier League champions this season.
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The problem faced by Manchester City this season is not just injuries to several key players, Liverpool increasing performance is also a factor that Manchester City is starting to have difficulty dominating the standings. If Liverpool had not performed as well as they have this season, Manchester City might still be at the top of the standings. Now Arne Slot is a big threat to Guardiola in dominating the EPL, Liverpool is still consistently maintaining its best performance and this is clearly not good news for Manchester City.
I agree that Man City is not really regressing, it's just that with Liverpool back on track and in their most consistent form, so Man City existence looks like it is regressing, when in fact it is not too significant. Regardless I'm quite happy with Liverpool's comeback as a reminder to Man City that they can't hold onto the Premier League forever.
This season we began to see a tremendous increase in the competition that occurred in the league, the improved performance of Liverpool and several other teams forced Manchester City now to work hard to be able to maintain their dominance, last season they only get 3 defeats throughout the season, while this season they have actually won 2 defeats at the beginning of the season, so it cannot be denied if Manchester City performance has experienced a significant setback today, regardless of the ability shown by Liverpool this season.
To be honestly, I hope if this season I will see another team that becomes the champion, because if manchester city managed to win the league 5 times in a row of course the EPL is now not different like ligue 1 and bundesliga in my opinion.
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