United really really needed a win, and even a draw looks like an ok thing, so that's probably why they played much better than they normally do. Even though Liverpool is a great team, I do not think that they could end up playing that greatly towards a team that is trying to avoid relegation and fighting with 100% to do better.
A few losses here, and a few draws there and United could have been much lower, so they need all the points they can get. Meanwhile, Liverpool is in lead comfortably so they do not care about the results individually all that much, as long as they do fine in general they should win the league, so there wasn't anything extra for this game, it is not some derby or anything like that neither, hence it didn't really feel that differently for them at all. I believe we could do fine but we need to just realize that Liverpool may end up not caring too much if the point gap doesn't close, only start caring again if any team gets too close.
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We have this idea that Manchester United is a bad team and when Liverpool can't win against this team, many of us say that Liverpool's performance is bad, but in reality, Liverpool's performance is not bad. Manchester United performed really well against Liverpool and Liverpool should be thanked that they did not lose against Manchester United. Apart from Manchester United's match, Liverpool has performed well in all the other matches. If Liverpool could not maintain the consistency of good performance so far, then they would not be able to hold the top position of the points table even in the middle of the season. The way they are performing I want them to maintain this consistency till the end.
We have this idea that Manchester United is a bad team and when Liverpool can't win against this team, many of us say that Liverpool's performance is bad, but in reality, Liverpool's performance is not bad. Manchester United performed really well against Liverpool and Liverpool should be thanked that they did not lose against Manchester United. Apart from Manchester United's match, Liverpool has performed well in all the other matches. If Liverpool could not maintain the consistency of good performance so far, then they would not be able to hold the top position of the points table even in the middle of the season. The way they are performing I want them to maintain this consistency till the end.
Liverpool was the least expected club to be on fire but they are gradually becoming weak and there consistency seems to have been affected, but they are the one to hopefully win the premier league because we the city are still at the point of recovery and am not bothered about what Manchester City is playing because it started when the season started so am not even surprised with what ever performance they will display and I don't even think there hope of winning but I think things will still get better eventually, and what transpired between Liverpool and Manchester United is not somthing that is expected but football it sometimes happens the way things changed so fast in that game how the United were able to equalize was an impressive game coming from
Them and a lot of people would have lost bet because of how the game changed so fast.
Liverpool are not slowly getting weaker in the Premier League but they are slowly becoming a stronger team, perhaps you can clearly understand that if you look at their performances in recent times. Many people have discussed the match in which Liverpool drew against Manchester United And they think Liverpool are getting weaker. In fact, no team can win all the matches in football, Maybe that's not even possible. According to the statistics of that match between Liverpool and Manchester United, Liverpool performed well, yet they unexpectedly drew the match against Manchester United. Everyone may be surprised to see a match between Liverpool and Tottenham today, because Liverpool lost 1-0 to Tottenham in that match. That match was the semi-final match of the EFL Cup.Them and a lot of people would have lost bet because of how the game changed so fast.
Liverpool was the least expected club to be on fire but they are gradually becoming weak and there consistency seems to have been affected, but they are the one to hopefully win the premier league because we the city are still at the point of recovery and am not bothered about what Manchester City is playing because it started when the season started so am not even surprised with what ever performance they will display and I don't even think there hope of winning but I think things will still get better eventually, and what transpired between Liverpool and Manchester United is not somthing that is expected but football it sometimes happens the way things changed so fast in that game how the United were able to equalize was an impressive game coming from
Them and a lot of people would have lost bet because of how the game changed so fast.
Liverpool are not slowly getting weaker in the Premier League but they are slowly becoming a stronger team, perhaps you can clearly understand that if you look at their performances in recent times. Many people have discussed the match in which Liverpool drew against Manchester United And they think Liverpool are getting weaker. In fact, no team can win all the matches in football, Maybe that's not even possible. According to the statistics of that match between Liverpool and Manchester United, Liverpool performed well, yet they unexpectedly drew the match against Manchester United. Everyone may be surprised to see a match between Liverpool and Tottenham today, because Liverpool lost 1-0 to Tottenham in that match. That match was the semi-final match of the EFL Cup.Them and a lot of people would have lost bet because of how the game changed so fast.
Honestly, I personally am not surprised by that draw result because I also always consider about failure. But yes, because I also bet on Liverpool, at least there will be a sense of disappointment because I lost the bet, but even so I still accept the results and even, in another post I also really appreciate Manchester United and I also said that Manchester United deserves points. Because indeed, even though the team has good dominance by being strong at the top of the standings, it will not make the team always win every match it plays, so this draw is certainly a common result.
Honestly everyone did think about "yeah it could happen" levels and that s not really shocking but that doesn't mean that it was a guaranteed thing. When a team does amazingly, everyone starts to wait for them to finally start to lose and that eventually always happens. No team goes unbeaten forever, I mean in theory even Leverkusen did lose, maybe took them whole season to lose but they did.And in 99.99% of the cases it happens within the season, and draws are even more common and easier as well, every team gets that. So what I see here is that it just eventually caught up to them and I believe they are just reaching to that point where they are not really playing as well as they used to, at least not for that game at all. But this isn't going to change easily at all, it is going to be very tough to see for most of these teams because we are not going to see them changing to worse or better over just one game.
But there is now a special case where a team goes unbeaten and has yet no chance anymore to win the title. Serie A club Juventus Turin has more draws after 19 games than I have ever seen, which implies that not losing games doesn't make you a winning team. Liverpool though can be satisfied with a draw from to time, it doesn't change their trajectory towards the title as they are a winning team overall.
Leverkusen was kind of different because that loss against Atalanta cost them a precious title. I am sure they would have preferred to lose two Bundesliga games instead and take the title regardless. That would have not given them the record as the team going unbeaten for a whole season, but they would have won the minor triple instead consisting of Bundesliga, DFB Pokal and Europa League.
It really depends in which games you lose or have to be satisfied with a draw. As long as Liverpool doesn't get as many draws as Juventus, a point is rather a point won for them instead of two points lost.
Kelvin Debruyne's injury problems is not responsible for Manchester City's poor run of form because last season when he was injured, he missed many games and they did well without him. Manchester City poor performance is mainly due to the absence of Rodri and also because they've been selling key players without any replacement. KD has been crucial in city's success but I think his days at the club is coming to an end. His reoccurring injuries is a major concern and City may decide to path ways with him this season or next.
Underperforming players affected Manchester City and how they player, crucial players projecting the tactics of Pep Guardiola affected him and his approach likewise set up to games in the Premier League competition, it has nothing to do with the absence of Rodri. But why buildup your squad around a certain player? I don't think he's the central issue why they're not doing so well no more. I thought so before but no more. Saw Kyle Walker flop countless games, Jack Grealish useless, IIkay Gundugan having no pace to keep up in the Premier League and also Erling Haaland, didn't you notice how his goal converting rate reduced drastically? They have to let go of some dead woods and buildup properly again.
Honestly, I personally am not surprised by that draw result because I also always consider about failure. But yes, because I also bet on Liverpool, at least there will be a sense of disappointment because I lost the bet, but even so I still accept the results and even, in another post I also really appreciate Manchester United and I also said that Manchester United deserves points. Because indeed, even though the team has good dominance by being strong at the top of the standings, it will not make the team always win every match it plays, so this draw is certainly a common result.
Honestly everyone did think about "yeah it could happen" levels and that s not really shocking but that doesn't mean that it was a guaranteed thing. When a team does amazingly, everyone starts to wait for them to finally start to lose and that eventually always happens. No team goes unbeaten forever, I mean in theory even Leverkusen did lose, maybe took them whole season to lose but they did.And in 99.99% of the cases it happens within the season, and draws are even more common and easier as well, every team gets that. So what I see here is that it just eventually caught up to them and I believe they are just reaching to that point where they are not really playing as well as they used to, at least not for that game at all. But this isn't going to change easily at all, it is going to be very tough to see for most of these teams because we are not going to see them changing to worse or better over just one game.
Liverpool was the least expected club to be on fire but they are gradually becoming weak and there consistency seems to have been affected, but they are the one to hopefully win the premier league because we the city are still at the point of recovery and am not bothered about what Manchester City is playing because it started when the season started so am not even surprised with what ever performance they will display and I don't even think there hope of winning but I think things will still get better eventually, and what transpired between Liverpool and Manchester United is not somthing that is expected but football it sometimes happens the way things changed so fast in that game how the United were able to equalize was an impressive game coming from
Them and a lot of people would have lost bet because of how the game changed so fast.
Liverpool are not slowly getting weaker in the Premier League but they are slowly becoming a stronger team, perhaps you can clearly understand that if you look at their performances in recent times. Many people have discussed the match in which Liverpool drew against Manchester United And they think Liverpool are getting weaker. In fact, no team can win all the matches in football, Maybe that's not even possible. According to the statistics of that match between Liverpool and Manchester United, Liverpool performed well, yet they unexpectedly drew the match against Manchester United. Everyone may be surprised to see a match between Liverpool and Tottenham today, because Liverpool lost 1-0 to Tottenham in that match. That match was the semi-final match of the EFL Cup.Them and a lot of people would have lost bet because of how the game changed so fast.
Liverpool was the least expected club to be on fire but they are gradually becoming weak and there consistency seems to have been affected, but they are the one to hopefully win the premier league because we the city are still at the point of recovery and am not bothered about what Manchester City is playing because it started when the season started so am not even surprised with what ever performance they will display and I don't even think there hope of winning but I think things will still get better eventually, and what transpired between Liverpool and Manchester United is not somthing that is expected but football it sometimes happens the way things changed so fast in that game how the United were able to equalize was an impressive game coming from
Them and a lot of people would have lost bet because of how the game changed so fast.
Liverpool are not slowly getting weaker in the Premier League but they are slowly becoming a stronger team, perhaps you can clearly understand that if you look at their performances in recent times. Many people have discussed the match in which Liverpool drew against Manchester United And they think Liverpool are getting weaker. In fact, no team can win all the matches in football, Maybe that's not even possible. According to the statistics of that match between Liverpool and Manchester United, Liverpool performed well, yet they unexpectedly drew the match against Manchester United. Everyone may be surprised to see a match between Liverpool and Tottenham today, because Liverpool lost 1-0 to Tottenham in that match. That match was the semi-final match of the EFL Cup. Them and a lot of people would have lost bet because of how the game changed so fast.
When a team is leading, it's quite easy to get complacent and start getting draws and losses because in most cases they already know that they are good and even if they lose like two in a row they could end up with title contending.
So right now, Liverpool could lose two in a row after this game they could still do great and probably even lead the league, so they do not really care and losing that care ends up being very important for them. If they end up losing out like that, it's not really that simple because they can't give up all together because that would be terrible but at the same time there are few games throughout the season they could just end up not caring at all for those few games. In the end, just focus on overall situation and if you can do much better if you could focus on all games type of situation.
So right now, Liverpool could lose two in a row after this game they could still do great and probably even lead the league, so they do not really care and losing that care ends up being very important for them. If they end up losing out like that, it's not really that simple because they can't give up all together because that would be terrible but at the same time there are few games throughout the season they could just end up not caring at all for those few games. In the end, just focus on overall situation and if you can do much better if you could focus on all games type of situation.
Honestly I would be very okay with watching a title competition until the end of the season.
Therefore seeing Liverpool stumbling isn't a problem to me. When it comes to how long they will keep it up, I'm also curious. In the end Arne Slot is in his first season in the Premier League managing a this big team for the first time in his manager career. As a young manager (46) at the same time, we all must be curious how quick he will handle it.In the meantime maybe Arsenal could also catch up with them more if they don't mess up too. I know Nottingham Forest also have the same points with them but I can't be sure whether they would last that long in top 4. But I admit they have really capable players.
When a team is leading, it's quite easy to get complacent and start getting draws and losses because in most cases they already know that they are good and even if they lose like two in a row they could end up with title contending.
So right now, Liverpool could lose two in a row after this game they could still do great and probably even lead the league, so they do not really care and losing that care ends up being very important for them. If they end up losing out like that, it's not really that simple because they can't give up all together because that would be terrible but at the same time there are few games throughout the season they could just end up not caring at all for those few games. In the end, just focus on overall situation and if you can do much better if you could focus on all games type of situation.
So right now, Liverpool could lose two in a row after this game they could still do great and probably even lead the league, so they do not really care and losing that care ends up being very important for them. If they end up losing out like that, it's not really that simple because they can't give up all together because that would be terrible but at the same time there are few games throughout the season they could just end up not caring at all for those few games. In the end, just focus on overall situation and if you can do much better if you could focus on all games type of situation.
Any thoughts on Arsenal losing the 1 leg EFL cup semi-final game to Newcastle 0-2 in front of their own audience? Is it because they didn't take it seriously (they had some players from the bench) or is Newcastle just overall a better team recently.
When I watch the highlight, seem like Arsenal is unlucky on their home. They have several time get chance to create the goal, but the squad is look hard to break newcastle defenders. I don't know it's because Bukayo Saka is Absent, or because Arsenal let them win to adjust several tournament that make them fatigue if there are too many matches to play ahead. But so far, Newcastle is playing better than Arsenal, Isak is good, He is become man of the match which always gave chance to create over 2 goals. Nottingham Forest and EPL
We actually need no more evidence to understand that Nottingham Forest did not come to joke this season. Most times I asked myself question to why small teams like Nottingham Forest will be getting it right this season while big teams like Manchester United will be struggling. I personally believe that this is about building for the future. When Nottingham Forest gained promotion to the English Premier League, the match 23 signings and we laughed at them because the assignments were not popular kind of superstars. Little did we know that they were building a formidable team, and today I can tell you that with the rate Nottingham Forest is playing, they will definitely make top four this season because they are not in any European competition that will give them much distraction. They are exerting same energy Leicester city exerted years back.
We actually need no more evidence to understand that Nottingham Forest did not come to joke this season. Most times I asked myself question to why small teams like Nottingham Forest will be getting it right this season while big teams like Manchester United will be struggling. I personally believe that this is about building for the future. When Nottingham Forest gained promotion to the English Premier League, the match 23 signings and we laughed at them because the assignments were not popular kind of superstars. Little did we know that they were building a formidable team, and today I can tell you that with the rate Nottingham Forest is playing, they will definitely make top four this season because they are not in any European competition that will give them much distraction. They are exerting same energy Leicester city exerted years back.
Nottingham Forest's plan this season is to stay in the Premier League. But it seems they have done more than that, not only have they avoided the threat of relegation like they did last season, but they have also become a very strong team, in fact they are the only team to beat Liverpool this season, and maybe this victory is what makes them appear so confident in every match. Currently Nottingham Forest is more than just a dark horse, Nottingham Forest is really competing tightly at the top of the standings.
And in the near future Nottingham Forest will meet Liverpool again in the second round of the Premier League, this will be a very exciting match to watch. Liverpool whose consistency has been a little shaky lately, where they had to share points when facing Man United and most recently Liverpool also had to lose narrowly to Spurs in the League Cup. With what Liverpool have experienced lately, I am sure that Nottingham Forest will win again over Liverpool. I will bet on nottingham forest...
I am still trying to find out of this is true but if it is then is a big embarrassment for Arteta, I have heard news that he actually blamed the ball for Arsenal's disgraceful performance against Newcastle yesterday.
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I just looked it up and yup, he did blame the EFL cup balls (produced by Puma) for being different than the ones used in the Premier League (manufactured by Nike):
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11670/13285096/mikel-arteta-arsenal-boss-says-carabao-cup-ball-was-a-factor-in-his-sides-wasteful-finishing-against-newcastle
To be fair to him, he didn't blame it on the ball entirely but just mentioned it as a contributing factor. The truth is, the ball was the same for both teams and if Newcastle could score, then so should Arsenal.
Any thoughts on Arsenal losing the 1 leg EFL cup semi-final game to Newcastle 0-2 in front of their own audience? Is it because they didn't take it seriously (they had some players from the bench) or is Newcastle just overall a better team recently.
I know the EFL cup is not a priority for the top Premier League clubs, but it would be strange to get this far to just drop out without a fight.
Meanwhile, Tottenham just took a 1-0 lead against Liverpool in today's game.
I am still trying to find out of this is true but if it is then is a big embarrassment for Arteta, I have heard news that he actually blamed the ball for Arsenal's disgraceful performance against Newcastle yesterday. I know the EFL cup is not a priority for the top Premier League clubs, but it would be strange to get this far to just drop out without a fight.
Meanwhile, Tottenham just took a 1-0 lead against Liverpool in today's game.
Even if Newcastle were in form there is no excuse for Arteta and his boys not to score at least a goal against Newcastle knowing how much they need to win a trophy.
There is still another leg but with what I watched yesterday I kind of feel that Newcastle are still favourite to win the second leg.
Any thoughts on Arsenal losing the 1 leg EFL cup semi-final game to Newcastle 0-2 in front of their own audience? Is it because they didn't take it seriously (they had some players from the bench) or is Newcastle just overall a better team recently.
I know the EFL cup is not a priority for the top Premier League clubs, but it would be strange to get this far to just drop out without a fight.
Meanwhile, Tottenham just took a 1-0 lead against Liverpool in today's game.
I know the EFL cup is not a priority for the top Premier League clubs, but it would be strange to get this far to just drop out without a fight.
Meanwhile, Tottenham just took a 1-0 lead against Liverpool in today's game.
While you are not far from the truth, it didn't occur in the same vein with me. Haven't seen the level at which Liverpool have performed strongly this season, I didn't see it coming for Manchester United to draw with them. I believe that every match comes with its uniqueness based on the performance level of the team at a given time. So, I saw a better performance opportunity for Liverpool to win over Manchester United in the last match but that didn't not happen, couples with the fact that Liverpool was playing home at the Anfield stadium, I saw that as another hedge over the Red Devils. Well, for both teams, I will say well done. They both did well in their individual capacities as clubs.
Some people might not believe that Liverpool isn't they well but I'm very flabbergasted they have only loss one game in the whole of this season including other leagues ttey have appeared, the season isn't coming yet to an end but if we are going to be sincere about Liverpool, they have everything needed to win the Premier League this season because they didn't just wake upto be hoping there, last few seasons was every difficult got them but they are better now.
Manchester United had grace to be able to draw with Liverpool else it would have been another waste for the club. Even by that, Liverpool over came and equalized that goal when the match was already coming to an end. If they were quick to score a goal, it would have been the opposite because I don't Manchester United will be that lucky to come out of their that match and think they are going to draw, most often it's Liverpool that wins their game.
Nottingham Forest and EPL
We actually need no more evidence to understand that Nottingham Forest did not come to joke this season. Most times I asked myself question to why small teams like Nottingham Forest will be getting it right this season while big teams like Manchester United will be struggling. I personally believe that this is about building for the future. When Nottingham Forest gained promotion to the English Premier League, the match 23 signings and we laughed at them because the assignments were not popular kind of superstars. Little did we know that they were building a formidable team, and today I can tell you that with the rate Nottingham Forest is playing, they will definitely make top four this season because they are not in any European competition that will give them much distraction. They are exerting same energy Leicester city exerted years back.
Is there any team that doesn’t crave for success at the highest level? Now you know why the Premier League is regarded as the most competitive league in the world. Nottingham Forest performance so far in the epl has been outstanding where they have managed to gather over 40 points in 20 games which some big teams cannot be able to achieve. I think their aim is to finish strongly on the standings that will automatically see them play Champions League football, to me I see it as a reality if they keep on this good form till the end.We actually need no more evidence to understand that Nottingham Forest did not come to joke this season. Most times I asked myself question to why small teams like Nottingham Forest will be getting it right this season while big teams like Manchester United will be struggling. I personally believe that this is about building for the future. When Nottingham Forest gained promotion to the English Premier League, the match 23 signings and we laughed at them because the assignments were not popular kind of superstars. Little did we know that they were building a formidable team, and today I can tell you that with the rate Nottingham Forest is playing, they will definitely make top four this season because they are not in any European competition that will give them much distraction. They are exerting same energy Leicester city exerted years back.
There are always surprises in the Premier League, in the last few seasons we have been surprised by the performance of Leicester City, a team that has managed to make new history in the world of football, because they have just been promoted to the Premier League, they immediately won the title. And even though they were absent for one season in the Premier League, they were able to return the following season. However, it is very unfortunate that this season they have experienced a series of bad results, and are threatened with relegation.
And for this season, perhaps the surprise is Nottingham Forest, where they performed beyond expectations. Quite surprising considering that last season they were only able to finish in 17th place, and were almost relegated. The changes made by Nottingham Forest are truly significant, because they are not only able to survive in the highest caste competition in the Premier League, but they have also become a truly frightening specter for big clubs, and are currently able to compete closely in the top position.
While you are not far from the truth, it didn't occur in the same vein with me. Haven't seen the level at which Liverpool have performed strongly this season, I didn't see it coming for Manchester United to draw with them. I believe that every match comes with its uniqueness based on the performance level of the team at a given time. So, I saw a better performance opportunity for Liverpool to win over Manchester United in the last match but that didn't not happen, couples with the fact that Liverpool was playing home at the Anfield stadium, I saw that as another hedge over the Red Devils. Well, for both teams, I will say well done. They both did well in their individual capacities as clubs.
Both teams played relatively balanced in that match, I saw Manchester united performance was very good in defense and attack therefore they were able to balance their strength with Liverpool. If you look at the pace of both of them of course Liverpool is in its best form but unfortunately they were unable to beat Manchester United.Manchester United has not found a good strategy from their new coach, but with the game they showed against Liverpool of course it was getting better compared to previous matches. Manchester united needs a more productive striker in scoring goals, so they must be able to take advantage of the January transfer market to find a new striker.
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