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Quote from: Woodie on January 06, 2025, 10:01:04 AM

To be honest Manchester United surprised me and a lot of other people after holding hot favourite Liverpool to share the points.
Perhaps the bad weather caused by snow❄️ could have helped them, but they surely played better and almost got maximum point's against the Reds...and more surprisingly was one of the unlikely goal scorer by Martinez who got the opener before Gapko got Liverpool back in the game almost immediately, and Utd players should be blam themselves for allowing that goal to come so sooner, otherwise good game.

The weather was a bit bad but just like Liverpool played in this bad weather so Manchester United played in this bad weather so aside from the weather we have to discuss how any team performed in this match. Undoubtedly, Manchester United performed well at Liverpool's ground considering Liverpool.
Liverpool have won most of the matches of the season and they were at the top of the points table and again this match was played at their home ground everyone had Liverpool ahead of Manchester United at the start of the match. But Manchester United have proved that no team is difficult for them. Manchester United have seen a very competitive performance in this match. Of course, they have to maintain the consistency of this tough competition, only then they can improve further.

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Quote from: Amphenomenon on January 06, 2025, 12:00:22 PM

They didn't just steal a point at Anfield, they did even almost got all 3 points if not for that costly missed by Harry Maguire.

Manchester United played well in the match, their performance in the match was a surprising one because most people didn’t expect Manchester United to get a draw in the match. Due to their performance in their previous matches, lots of people were expecting the match to be an easy win for Liverpool, but they couldn’t get a win in the match, they had to struggle before they could get a draw in the match.

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Quote from: Amphenomenon on January 06, 2025, 12:00:22 PM

In their next Epl game against Southampton I don't expect much from them though.

Manchester United might end up finding it difficult to win against Southampton. I won’t be surprised if they end up losing the match or playing draw in the match, because Manchester United performed well against Liverpool, It doesn’t mean the same thing will happen in their next match.

Including myself who did not expect them to be able to match their match against Liverpool. Liverpool captain Van Dijk said his feelings of disappointment for failing to win his match yesterday but still felt quite lucky to be able to bring home a point after Harry Maguire wasted a great opportunity in the final minutes towards the end of the match, maybe if Maguire had managed to take advantage of that opportunity Manchester United would have celebrated.

Although the results of yesterday's match against Manchester United were better than before, Amorim still felt disappointed with their development. Even though I think that they were able to match Liverpool, it was quite good development, but it does not mean that the same thing will happen in the next match.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on January 06, 2025, 12:15:29 PM

I can't agree more!

Liverpool were definitely not good enough. Who would have thought they would struggle against one of the worst versions of Manchester United? Especially while having a wonderful season...

I think Liverpool has performed quite well. They dominated the match, they only wasted some opportunities to score more goals.
The season isn't over yet, you can't state that Liverpool is like finishing this season with a wonderful result. Even if Liverpool looks perfectly in the first half of the season, we don't know what will happen in the second half of the season. However, I'm sure Liverpool will keep playing consistently.

Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on January 06, 2025, 12:15:29 PM

I really liked Amorim's game this time. The players look much better in games against big clubs of the PL.

It is surprising that you are amazed with Amorim's game. Cheesy

Have you checked his stats since he managed Man United? I personally assume he isn't better that Ten Hag.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on January 06, 2025, 12:15:29 PM

This is mostly due to the lack of quality in their squad I'm afraid. Sad

I don't find it good for a club like Manchester United. I hope Amorim will make it a little better until the end of this month.

You can't totally blame the players. It is also the lack of coach capability. Amorim applies no proper strategy and formation. It makes Man United players to play under performance. They have improved well under Van Nistelrooy's management, now they are decreasing their performance again. It is because the players feel uncomfortable with Amorim's approach. TBH, I doubt that Amorim will make this team to perform better.

Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on January 06, 2025, 12:15:29 PM

They have no money problem already.

The fact that they have no money anymore. Grin

That is a great summary here for everyone who is still delusional enough to think that anything has changed for Manchester United yet, but realistically looking at the results, I doubt anyone thought that Amorim would arrive at Manchester United and out of nothing turn the team into a real Premier League competitor again. I think this is not Amorim's fault by the way because my feeling is that Manchester United doesn't have the players to compete on the best level. They have far too many players who seem to have the potential, but seldomly tap into it and play to the best of their abilities. Amorim has most likely been deluded by the money and the name that the club has made for itself in the past. But this is not the Manchester United when players like Wayne Rooney were in their prime in the old days. This is the Manchester United that has players like Rashford who play one good game and two bad games repeatedly.

They need an overhaul on many positions or otherwise Amorim won't have a chance no matter whether he makes adjustments here and there or changes training methods. That's not the real problem they have.

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Quote from: Amphenomenon on January 06, 2025, 12:00:22 PM

They didn't just steal a point at Anfield, they did even almost got all 3 points if not for that costly missed by Harry Maguire.

Manchester United played well in the match, their performance in the match was a surprising one because most people didn’t expect Manchester United to get a draw in the match. Due to their performance in their previous matches, lots of people were expecting the match to be an easy win for Liverpool, but they couldn’t get a win in the match, they had to struggle before they could get a draw in the match.

Harry Maguire lost a great chance towards the ending of the second half of the match, if he had converted the opportunity into a goal, then Manchester United would have gone away with three points in the match, but Maguire wasted the opportunity. To be honest, Maguire played well in the match, he was able to block some shots from getting to the goalkeeper. Harry Maguire played well in the match.

Quote from: Amphenomenon on January 06, 2025, 12:00:22 PM

In their next Epl game against Southampton I don't expect much from them though.

Manchester United might end up finding it difficult to win against Southampton. I won’t be surprised if they end up losing the match or playing draw in the match, because Manchester United performed well against Liverpool, It doesn’t mean the same thing will happen in their next match.

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Quote from: RockBell on January 06, 2025, 04:37:25 PM

When ever I see a Manchester United fan I always feel pity for them best the last two previous seasons is just as bad as it is now nothing have really changed and at some point they were even doing better than Chelsea but not now again Chelsea is far better than them,

By now they should have adopted to there performance the better they accept it and there and work on there self because Manchester United is losing there reputation as the red devil.

We don't need to feel petty for fans because they are only supporters and the only people that deserves the petty is the club and players instead because they are the ones receiving the heat because even as Manchester United is doing but rarely will you see somebody having a sleepless night or refusing to do anything because of what is happening, so actually the only effect I can see is people being disappointed and wishing to see the club come back again nothing else, actually Manchester United has lost there name Red devil do to there failure because I no that before it was red devils on the way but now the name does no longer match with them, though Amorim can still make them improve like Chelsea from next season.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on January 06, 2025, 12:15:29 PM

I can't agree more!

Liverpool were definitely not good enough. Who would have thought they would struggle against one of the worst versions of Manchester United? Especially while having a wonderful season...

I really liked Amorim's game this time. The players look much better in games against big clubs of the PL. But they can't keep it up consistently throughout a season. This is mostly due to the lack of quality in their squad I'm afraid. Sad

I don't find it good for a club like Manchester United. I hope Amorim will make it a little better until the end of this month. They have no money problem already. Erik ten Hag splurged on unnecessary players. Hopefully Amorim won't repeat the same mistake. He needs to keep the club alive in the PL this season.

I don't think Liverpool really struggled in that match, every team can face what Liverpool has face in that match. Beside, they have lost only one game this season and when you check the team they lost too, they are in relegation zone, that's Southampton sitting in 20th and you wondered how they did it but you know that football is football and it's better that they don't lose, it was draw that other teams still need more time to points to come close.

Manchester united is happy but what is ahead of them is bigger than what they just achieved against Liverpool. One pint is juts a mockery to Liverpool but they have lost 4 games before that match and they all look excited like they have been moved to the top of the table, reminiscing number 13th place for more than 2 month and this is what they are using as stand ovation when literally the team is suffering and malfunctioning.

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Quote from: reagansimms on January 06, 2025, 09:14:49 AM

Before this match was played, Manchester United had always lost in four matches in all competitions, but when playing at Anfield, Amorim's troops managed to show something different, they managed to make Liverpool have trouble and ended the match with a score of 2-2. Liverpool struggled to control the game after going 2-1 up as Manchester United players continued to press by sending direct passes into their defensive area. This strategy was very effective and they managed to steal a point at Anfield and end their poor results in the last four matches.

When ever I see a Manchester United fan I always feel pity for them best the last two previous seasons is just as bad as it is now nothing have really changed and at some point they were even doing better than Chelsea but not now again Chelsea is far better than them, it take a high love of a die hard fan to continue supporting that club because even when they are able to draw Liverpool I was not moved because I don't know how it happened but seems to be that luck was just on there side if not we all know how Manchester United have been seriously affected by this.

And they played strategically with Liverpool but am not surprised at all because of to much disappointment we have gotten from them, imagine them been at the 13 position that is like worse for there kind of reputation but they look helpless and as if there is no longer solution for them, even with the fact that they have gotten new coach, their is no difference.

By now they should have adopted to there performance the better they accept it and there and work on there self because Manchester United is losing there reputation as the red devil.

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We actually need no more evidence to understand that Nottingham Forest did not come to joke this season. Most times I asked myself question to why small teams like Nottingham Forest will be getting it right this season while big teams like Manchester United will be struggling. I personally believe that this is about building for the future. When Nottingham Forest gained promotion to the English Premier League, the match 23 signings and we laughed at them because the assignments were not popular kind of superstars. Little did we know that they were building a formidable team, and today I can tell you that with the rate Nottingham Forest is playing, they will definitely make top four this season because they are not in any European competition that will give them much distraction. They are exerting same energy Leicester city exerted years back.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on January 06, 2025, 12:15:29 PM

I can't agree more!

Liverpool were definitely not good enough. Who would have thought they would struggle against one of the worst versions of Manchester United? Especially while having a wonderful season...

I think Liverpool has performed quite well. They dominated the match, they only wasted some opportunities to score more goals.
The season isn't over yet, you can't state that Liverpool is like finishing this season with a wonderful result. Even if Liverpool looks perfectly in the first half of the season, we don't know what will happen in the second half of the season. However, I'm sure Liverpool will keep playing consistently.

Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on January 06, 2025, 12:15:29 PM

I really liked Amorim's game this time. The players look much better in games against big clubs of the PL.

It is surprising that you are amazed with Amorim's game. Cheesy

Have you checked his stats since he managed Man United? I personally assume he isn't better that Ten Hag.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on January 06, 2025, 12:15:29 PM

This is mostly due to the lack of quality in their squad I'm afraid. Sad

I don't find it good for a club like Manchester United. I hope Amorim will make it a little better until the end of this month.

You can't totally blame the players. It is also the lack of coach capability. Amorim applies no proper strategy and formation. It makes Man United players to play under performance. They have improved well under Van Nistelrooy's management, now they are decreasing their performance again. It is because the players feel uncomfortable with Amorim's approach. TBH, I doubt that Amorim will make this team to perform better.

Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on January 06, 2025, 12:15:29 PM

They have no money problem already.

The fact that they have no money anymore. Grin

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Quote from: Woodie on January 06, 2025, 10:01:04 AM

This was suppose to say "Manchester United were unlucky and Liverpool were also lucky" because we all watched this game and Liverpool were below the standard we know of how the play unlike struggling Utd that came with their A game and shocked us all with their superb game.

I can't agree more!

Liverpool were definitely not good enough. Who would have thought they would struggle against one of the worst versions of Manchester United? Especially while having a wonderful season...

I really liked Amorim's game this time. The players look much better in games against big clubs of the PL. But they can't keep it up consistently throughout a season. This is mostly due to the lack of quality in their squad I'm afraid. Sad

I don't find it good for a club like Manchester United. I hope Amorim will make it a little better until the end of this month. They have no money problem already. Erik ten Hag splurged on unnecessary players. Hopefully Amorim won't repeat the same mistake. He needs to keep the club alive in the PL this season.

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Quote from: hahay on January 06, 2025, 11:04:59 AM

There will be a match between Wolves vs Nottingham, about head to head with draws result often occur for their matches. However, at this moment Nottingham is in third place with 37 points, and Wolves is in 17th place with only 16 points. If I only consider their trends so far this season, even though Nottingham is playing away, I personally still believe Nottingham will win.

I don’t think wolves will be able to get a win in the match, their performance has been so poor this season, they are currently in 17th position which is very close to relegation zone, any slight mistake from them, we will see them in relegation zone. The best thing which Nottingham forest should do is not to underestimate them, because we have seen wolves give some clubs difficult time, wolves were able to secure a win against, Manchester United, Leicester City, played draw against Tottenham, and were able to get a draw when they played the first leg against Nottingham forest, so wolves is not a club which Nottingham forest should underestimate, so that they won’t end up being surprised.

Nottingham Forest is currently in 3rd position. I know they can’t win the league title, but if they are really dedicated and are working hard, they should be able to qualify for the Champions League. All they should do is make sure they keep on winning most of their matches, which I know is what’s going to be their target.

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Basically Manchester United performance was very good last night, Ruben Amorim men were able to hold the standings holder, Liverpool, although only bringing home 1 point but this is a good thing for Manchester United of course, players will be more confident to face the next match.

Before this match was played, Manchester United had always lost in four matches in all competitions, but when playing at Anfield, Amorim's troops managed to show something different, they managed to make Liverpool have trouble and ended the match with a score of 2-2. Liverpool struggled to control the game after going 2-1 up as Manchester United players continued to press by sending direct passes into their defensive area. This strategy was very effective and they managed to steal a point at Anfield and end their poor results in the last four matches.

They didn't just steal a point at Anfield, they did even almost got all 3 points if not for that costly missed by Harry Maguire.

I spoke about Manchester United giving their all in that game if they just don't want to be humiliated and I can say Liverpool didn't expect this from them, I guessed they thought this would be an easy win but against rivalry teams Manchester United often try to do well. In their next Epl game against Southampton I don't expect much from them though.

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Quote from: hahay on January 06, 2025, 11:04:59 AM

There will be a match between Wolves vs Nottingham, about head to head with draws result often occur for their matches. However, at this moment Nottingham is in third place with 37 points, and Wolves is in 17th place with only 16 points. If I only consider their trends so far this season, even though Nottingham is playing away, I personally still believe Nottingham will win.

However, even though they have a very large distance in the standings, it seems that Nottingham is also not fully projected to win if I use the odds as a reference. Because after all, Wolves have also managed to not lose in their last three matches, and that is another input to consider whether Nottingham will really succeed in winning or not in this match, because it seems that Wolves may also slowly rise.

Nottingham could literally catch up with Arsenal, which I think is an impressive fact. I hope they can maintain the momentum and achieve something great this season. I think it is great for a league if an underdog team like Nottingham can cause other teams to raise their eyebrows. Nottingham in the Champions League next season, why not. I think there annual budget for players is like one third of that of the clubs like Chelsea and Liverpool and other high calibre teams. It is a bit similar to what Leicester City has once done, but in that season when they won the Premier League title, the difference was that there was not a dominant team like Liverpool now is. But still I think the Champions League is possible for them.

It's strange though to see that they have by far the worst offense, but if they score they can apparently handle those leads very well and bring it home. The game against the Wolves is a great chance to increase the distance to Chelsea and Newcastle.

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Quote from: Ondekinecakabilirim on January 06, 2025, 10:19:20 AM

There is only one match in the English Premier League today. Wolverhampton will play against Nottingham Forest. Wolverhampton started to get very good results under the management of Vitor Pereira. They have 7 points in their last 3 games. They beat Leicester City and Manchester United. They drew with Tottenham. Vitor Pereira has touched them with a magic touch. On the other hand, Nottingham Forest have won their last 5 matches. They are currently 3rd in the league. And if they win this match, they will reach the same points with Arsenal. This is a match between two teams that have been playing good football lately. Nottingham Forest are close to victory. But I will bet on both teams to score a goal.

This is a very important match for Nottingham Forest, because by winning this match, they will not only get the same points as Arsenal, but will also maintain their position in third place in the standings, because considering the distance between Nottingham Forest and Chelsea is very thin, only one point apart, as well as Newcastle which is only 2 points apart. With tight competition, Nottingham Forest must get full points in every match.

Furthermore, if we look at the statistics between Nottingham Forest and Wolves, of course Nottingham is more favored than Wolves, and hopefully this is not only on paper, but also their absence on the field. This is an opportunity for Nottingham Forest to get 3 full points, because if we look at the next match, they will face a fairly difficult team, namely Liverpool.

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Quote from: Pandorak on January 06, 2025, 08:41:33 AM

Quote from: abhiseshakana on January 06, 2025, 06:57:41 AM

I agree with you and that was really beyond expectation. I thought this match would be a massacre because Man United's performance was very bad before, while Liverpool is in the opposite form. But unexpectedly Man United played quite well and they didn't make things easy for Liverpool. This cannot be used as a sign that they will get better, but at least they are showing good progress from before.

Now it remains to be seen whether Amorim can maintain this progress, or perhaps he will spring a surprise by bringing a new player to Old Trafford.

Basically Manchester United performance was very good last night, Ruben Amorim men were able to hold the standings holder, Liverpool, although only bringing home 1 point but this is a good thing for Manchester United of course, players will be more confident to face the next match.

To be honest i was a bit surprised when the game was about to end, Harry Maguire almost made a goal, he looked free there, no one was guarding him, but his shot went high over the goal, for a few moments i was pensive, if it had been a goal, this would have been the main topic.

I am totally impressed and happy with the result of the game. It didn’t come as a surprise to me though because the Manchester United I know is known for doing well in big games like this. Only wished they won this game I would have been the happiest person on earth. Good job Amorim and the entire Manchester United team, they pushed Liverpool so hard at Anfield I could see Liverpool players in fear when Manchester United scored the first goal.

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Quote from: hahay on January 06, 2025, 11:04:59 AM

There will be a match between Wolves vs Nottingham, about head to head with draws result often occur for their matches. However, at this moment Nottingham is in third place with 37 points, and Wolves is in 17th place with only 16 points. If I only consider their trends so far this season, even though Nottingham is playing away, I personally still believe Nottingham will win.

However, even though they have a very large distance in the standings, it seems that Nottingham is also not fully projected to win if I use the odds as a reference. Because after all, Wolves have also managed to not lose in their last three matches, and that is another input to consider whether Nottingham will really succeed in winning or not in this match, because it seems that Wolves may also slowly rise.

Wolves will try to get the best result in the match. They successfully scored to hold Tottenham to a draw and beat United. Nottingham may have given us a lot of surprises this season with the results in the standings, but hopefully, they can maintain that.
Nottingham should have the advantage in the match considering some of the performances shown, they only lost badly when facing strong teams like Arsenal and Man City. They can even get an advantage from Liverpool. This season they are extraordinary, hopefully, it can continue in the match against Wolves.

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Most people are going to bet against a MU that has not Been Able to win for anything in the world and they are or are going to do it against the number 1 in the table , it is very easy to establish that Liverpool will run over them, although there have been cases where the Last one in the table is capable of beating the first one in the table, for me it will not be a very Complicated match for Liverpool if they play as they have played in the last matches, but if they change strategies and get confident they can go down and end up losing against MU, in the same way these PL matches make Sunday a much more pleasant day.

Manchester United are going through a very difficult time, if I'm not mistaken, these are the most difficult times for the team in their entire history. And Liverpool are in optimal shape and beat all opponents both in the Premier League and in the Champions League, so I think they will have no difficulty beating such a Manchester United. Actually, after the dismissal of ten Hag, Manchester United became even worse, so I don't see any reason why they could beat Liverpool.

It's true that Manchester United are going through a difficult time. They are not performing consistently at the moment but yesterday they unexpectedly performed very well against Liverpool. Before the start of this match, many Liverpool fans thought that they could easily win against Manchester United. But Manchester United came out strong yesterday and looked like they might win the game. Especially the most important turning point in the match between Liverpool and Manchester United was Lisandro Martinez's goal. We saw that Manchester United draw against Liverpool in that match held at Anfield.

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There will be a match between Wolves vs Nottingham, about head to head with draws result often occur for their matches. However, at this moment Nottingham is in third place with 37 points, and Wolves is in 17th place with only 16 points. If I only consider their trends so far this season, even though Nottingham is playing away, I personally still believe Nottingham will win.

However, even though they have a very large distance in the standings, it seems that Nottingham is also not fully projected to win if I use the odds as a reference. Because after all, Wolves have also managed to not lose in their last three matches, and that is another input to consider whether Nottingham will really succeed in winning or not in this match, because it seems that Wolves may also slowly rise.

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Basically Manchester United performance was very good last night, Ruben Amorim men were able to hold the standings holder, Liverpool, although only bringing home 1 point but this is a good thing for Manchester United of course, players will be more confident to face the next match.

Before this match was played, Manchester United had always lost in four matches in all competitions, but when playing at Anfield, Amorim's troops managed to show something different, they managed to make Liverpool have trouble and ended the match with a score of 2-2. Liverpool struggled to control the game after going 2-1 up as Manchester United players continued to press by sending direct passes into their defensive area. This strategy was very effective and they managed to steal a point at Anfield and end their poor results in the last four matches.

I think Man United deserved that 1 point because they tried very hard to make it happen. It was quite unfortunate that Maguire could not take advantage of a good chance, but with the high pressure in that match, I can see why Maguire failed to score. Even though they could only get 1 point, but it was good progress.

Not just any team can hold Liverpool to a draw at Anfield and it's quite rare to see Liverpool feeling nervous, but that's exactly what happened when Man United managed to break the deadlock.

Liverpool is not a team to be pressured, they can play comfortably in all their matches, they sometimes lose points against most teams, even in those matches they play quite well.
Manchester United was able to disrupt Liverpool's game yesterday, Manchester United perhaps even had a chance to win, Maguire spent generously in the match.
He probably thought that the chance to win would be enough in a draw.

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Quote from: Woodie on January 04, 2025, 12:43:19 PM

Great to see Haaland getting more than one goal and most importantly team Manchester City winning another one...but their defense needs some work because better teams than Westham will easily get goals over them.

Of course, it was great to watch Haaland score a brace against West Ham after suffering in the previous games. Haaland has had some difficult times this season since he hasn't scored as many goals as he normally does. Haaland was the top scorer in the Premier League for the previous two seasons, but Mohamed Salah presently leads the Premier League goal scorer with 18 goals, while Haaland has 16 goals. There is a chance Haaland may defeat Salah before the season ends, but it is too early to make the prediction considering Salah is in top form this season.

Quote from: pawel7777 on January 04, 2025, 05:33:05 PM

It looks like Man City is back and hopefully the worst is behind them. A convincing 4-1 win over West Ham although I'm slightly concerned about West Ham having more shots on goal.
Unfortunately it's too late for the Citizens to hope for defending their Premier League title, but at least they should be able to put up a good fight for the top 4.

Manchester City was lucky to win against West Ham by scoring four goals, leading in ball possession and seven shots on target, compared to West Ham's four and one goal. However, we cannot be sure that Manchester City will be able to compete for the title after winning the game against West Ham; they need to win four or five straight games before we can be sure that they will be able to do so this season because they haven't added any players.

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