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We actually need no more evidence to understand that Nottingham Forest did not come to joke this season. Most times I asked myself question to why small teams like Nottingham Forest will be getting it right this season while big teams like Manchester United will be struggling. I personally believe that this is about building for the future. When Nottingham Forest gained promotion to the English Premier League, the match 23 signings and we laughed at them because the assignments were not popular kind of superstars. Little did we know that they were building a formidable team, and today I can tell you that with the rate Nottingham Forest is playing, they will definitely make top four this season because they are not in any European competition that will give them much distraction. They are exerting same energy Leicester city exerted years back.

Is there any team that doesn’t crave for success at the highest level? Now you know why the Premier League is regarded as the most competitive league in the world. Nottingham Forest performance so far in the epl has been outstanding where they have managed to gather over 40 points in 20 games which some big teams cannot be able to achieve. I think their aim is to finish strongly on the standings that will automatically see them play Champions League football, to me I see it as a reality if they keep on this good form till the end.

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Bournemouth have lost their reserve striker. Enes Ünal was injured in training, tearing his right anterior cruciate ligament. He will need surgery and is likely to miss the season. He didn't get many chances in the starting 11 at Bournemouth, but he was coming on later and scored 2 goals last month. He couldn't show his La Liga performance here. I'm not sure if he will be able to stay in the Premier League next season after this injury. He's also an important player for the Turkish national team. We didn't see enough of him in the Premier League but hopefully he can come back strong.

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Quote from: Dump3er on January 08, 2025, 10:28:27 AM

But I think it is still too early to call out that Manchester City is back in the game. The game against West Ham was a major change of their situation into a positive direction, but it was still not the strong old Manchester City that everyone knows.

Winning against West Ham was a nice one for Manchester City, which we can see that Manchester City’s performance has improved, but just as you said, we can’t just conclude that they are back to form. Manchester City has been able to get a win in their last two matches, but they played against weak teams. Let’s see how their subsequent matches will be, and let’s see how they are going to perform when they play against top teams before we can conclude that they are back to form or not, but I can see improvement in their performance, because they do lose and draw against even weak teams before, but now they are beginning to win.

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Quote from: iBaba on January 08, 2025, 12:26:45 PM

While you are not far from the truth, it didn't occur in the same vein with me. Haven't seen the level at which Liverpool have performed strongly this season, I didn't see it coming for Manchester United to draw with them. I believe that every match comes with its uniqueness based on the performance level of the team at a given time. So, I saw a better performance opportunity for Liverpool to win over Manchester United in the last match but that didn't not happen, couples with the fact that Liverpool was playing home at the Anfield stadium, I saw that as another hedge over the Red Devils. Well, for both teams, I will say well done. They both did well in their individual capacities as clubs.

Liverpool was the least expected club to be on fire but they are gradually becoming weak and there consistency seems to have been affected, but they are the one to hopefully win the premier league because we the city are still at the point of recovery and am not bothered about what Manchester City is playing because it started when the season started so am not even surprised with what ever performance they will display and I don't even think there hope of winning but I think things will still get better eventually, and what transpired between Liverpool and Manchester United is not somthing that is expected but football it sometimes happens the way things changed so fast in that game how the United were able to equalize was an impressive game coming from
Them and a lot of people would have lost bet because of how the game changed so fast.

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Quote from: kawetsriyanto on January 06, 2025, 03:43:38 PM

It is surprising that you are amazed with Amorim's game. Cheesy

Have you checked his stats since he managed Man United? I personally assume he isn't better that Ten Hag.

I didn't say anything like I like him generally. I only talked about his work against Liverpool. I guess nobody can be against that otherwise we watched different games. Grin

Aside from that I agree, he isn't more successful than Erik ten Hag at the moment. But I would really like to see what he does after reshaping the squad a little in transfer windows.

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The fact that they have no money anymore. Grin

I don't know, the owners are really rich. As long as they don't break the FFP rules I think they will give Amorim also a good budget. Grin

Erik ten Hag wasted hundreds of millions so I hope Amorim won't do the same thing.

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Quote from: TastyChillySauce00 on January 08, 2025, 12:48:09 PM

De Bruyne's injury still impacting club's performance. He often contributed a lot when he's fit. The club being so clueless when he was not playing as they have no good break line passer other than him. Despite often missed the games, but he still contributes to the club.

De Bruyne has been an important player for Manchester City for long, he is among the key players Manchester City depends on whenever they are in need of goals, and his contribution when he is fit is even more better than any other player playing in his position in the whole Premier League; that is why even if Pep Guardiola is saying that they can do without him, I do believe some times, but when they face big opponents, they struggle to create chances.

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Missing important pivot between him and Rodri gave City lots of impact, yet they won't stuck in the same place forever. I believe Pep has found solution over this.

This is also De Bruyne's last season in City.

No permanent solution yet, they are just trying to recover from their poor performance as Pep has realized that he has to improvise if he really want his job.
With Rodri and De Bruyne all fit, Manchester City can never be in this current position, which simply means that the team depend on them. If City can sign some good players in their positions, they can do well again and fight for the title.

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Quote from: iBaba on January 08, 2025, 12:26:45 PM

Quote from: len01 on January 07, 2025, 02:20:33 PM

But I am one of the bettors who do not believe in Liverpool's victory when facing Man United. And in the previous thread I expressed my doubts and concerns about the match. Because my thinking says a draw can happen when both teams know each other's weaknesses. So a draw should not be a painful surprise for bettors. Everyone must have the same hope to see MU return to its glory days. But unfortunately all of that requires a very long process and requires several seasons depending on how Amorim manages the Man United squad.

While you are not far from the truth, it didn't occur in the same vein with me. Haven't seen the level at which Liverpool have performed strongly this season, I didn't see it coming for Manchester United to draw with them. I believe that every match comes with its uniqueness based on the performance level of the team at a given time. So, I saw a better performance opportunity for Liverpool to win over Manchester United in the last match but that didn't not happen, couples with the fact that Liverpool was playing home at the Anfield stadium, I saw that as another hedge over the Red Devils. Well, for both teams, I will say well done. They both did well in their individual capacities as clubs.

Honestly, I personally am not surprised by that draw result because I also always consider about failure. But yes, because I also bet on Liverpool, at least there will be a sense of disappointment because I lost the bet, but even so I still accept the results and even, in another post I also really appreciate Manchester United and I also said that Manchester United deserves points. Because indeed, even though the team has good dominance by being strong at the top of the standings, it will not make the team always win every match it plays, so this draw is certainly a common result.

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The Belgian midfielder played an important role in the last match Manchester City played and Manchester City won by a big margin. His injury problems as well as his lack of form combined have led Manchester City to underperform in several matches. With this same team and if De Bruyne's performance remains unchanged, they will do well in the upcoming matches. Manchester City will continue to do well as long as De Bruyne and the rest of the 10 players play, but when the players try to play other strategies without this player, their chances of doing well will decrease.

Kelvin Debruyne's injury problems is not responsible for Manchester City's poor run of form because last season when he was injured, he missed many games and they did well without him. Manchester City poor performance is mainly due to the absence of Rodri and also because they've been selling key players without any replacement. KD has been crucial in city's success but I think his days at the club is coming to an end. His reoccurring injuries is a major concern and City may decide to path ways with him this season or next.

De Bruyne's injury still impacting club's performance. He often contributed a lot when he's fit. The club being so clueless when he was not playing as they have no good break line passer other than him. Despite often missed the games, but he still contributes to the club.

Missing important pivot between him and Rodri gave City lots of impact, yet they won't stuck in the same place forever. I believe Pep has found solution over this.

This is also De Bruyne's last season in City.

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Quote from: bitgolden on January 07, 2025, 12:33:23 AM

To be honest, United doesn't go too low, but they do not get better neither, they end up losing and then winning and keeping their position at the moment. They are still 13th and they were at that level for a while, so I am not really expecting them to be all that different. My best guess would be 10th, and worst would be 15th, that's where they will finish, I bet that they won't finish 9th, and I bet that they won't finish 16th, that much is obvious from how they are playing.

Obviously not everyone thinks the same and I am sure that there are a lot of people who think differently, but I am pretty sure that we are going to end up like this without a doubt. Everyone talks about how bad they are, but nobody realizes Spurs are just one point and place above, they are not doing that good neither, this season has been a bit different for that reason.

In as much as Manchester United performance this season so far has been mixed performance and have seen their position remain stagnant for some period of time, that doesn't mean they will not have progress in the league. Manchester United still remains a top club in England and it would be foolish for people to undermine their ability to finish in a more safer zone that might see them qualify for an European football next season.

I think with Ruben Amorim at the helm of affairs at Manchester United, they will able to finish in a more better position and am sure that they will play champions League football next season.

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Quote from: Dump3er on January 08, 2025, 10:28:27 AM

Quote from: CLS63 on January 07, 2025, 04:02:49 PM

Manchester City have finally started to win in the league. Together with the impressive win against West Ham the win streak is 2 matches now. By the way I liked their game in the last match. There was some good progress. Guardiola was complaining about injuries and underlining the need of signing new players. But clearly they can actually win under the circumstances. I think there was some psychological issues among the players before and we will see if it is really solved on the upcoming days.

By the way Nottingham Forest really impress me this season. I wonder what they will do against Liverpool next week.

But I think it is still too early to call out that Manchester City is back in the game. The game against West Ham was a major change of their situation into a positive direction, but it was still not the strong old Manchester City that everyone knows. West Ham had almost twice as many shots and quite high ball possession. Now this doesn't matter too much as Guardiola wants the results to be good rather than any other statistics like ball possession, but in the long run it does have an impact in my opinion as Manchester City's indistinguishable strength came from overwhelming dominance and high efficiency. They are still not there yet again.

In the next three weeks they can confirm the positive development if they beat or at least don't lose against PSG, Chelsea and Arsenal.

Exactly, you can say Manchester City are back in form, but with how they play their two league matches against Leicester and West Ham, you will definitely feel that Guadiola are getting back to there best form because their performance was very good on the pitch, and if they can continue performing like this, I am sure they can get trophy before this season ends, and the league has not turned Liverpool on yet, so if Liverpool can probably deform in the competition Manchester City can probably come back to the top, but that will be a difficult moment because Liverpool still have one upstanding games and if they on it that league will be Liverpool on.

With how Liverpool is playing this season, I don't believe they will lose any games; they are in consistent form, and any club they meet can only draw, not defeat. And they play Tottenham tonight in the cup, but I am confident that Liverpool will win easily because Tottenham is no longer in top form and is playing poorly. I am confident that Liverpool will win both the first and second legs. Let's see who will play in the final; since Arsenal lost to Newcastle in the first leg yesterday, let's see how Liverpool and Tottenham perform tonight and who will have the potential to win EFL Cup today.

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Quote from: len01 on January 07, 2025, 02:20:33 PM

But I am one of the bettors who do not believe in Liverpool's victory when facing Man United. And in the previous thread I expressed my doubts and concerns about the match. Because my thinking says a draw can happen when both teams know each other's weaknesses. So a draw should not be a painful surprise for bettors. Everyone must have the same hope to see MU return to its glory days. But unfortunately all of that requires a very long process and requires several seasons depending on how Amorim manages the Man United squad.

While you are not far from the truth, it didn't occur in the same vein with me. Haven't seen the level at which Liverpool have performed strongly this season, I didn't see it coming for Manchester United to draw with them. I believe that every match comes with its uniqueness based on the performance level of the team at a given time. So, I saw a better performance opportunity for Liverpool to win over Manchester United in the last match but that didn't not happen, couples with the fact that Liverpool was playing home at the Anfield stadium, I saw that as another hedge over the Red Devils. Well, for both teams, I will say well done. They both did well in their individual capacities as clubs.

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Quote from: RockBell on January 07, 2025, 03:33:19 PM

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I think most of us who bet on that match would have lost money and I'm sure of it, because most of us would have preferred to bet on Liverpool given the poor performance of Manchester United, but what was seen in that match actually very surprising to us where Liverpool actually faced great difficulties to beat the Red Devils, I even think that Liverpool in that match almost lost if Maguire could maximise the chances he got towards the end of the match, just like you, I also hope that they can continue to maintain their performance and also an impressive game like against Liverpool, because if they can show a solid game like that in the next match then I am quite sure that they can win.

Everyone believed that there is no way that Manchester United would have been able to draw Liverpool and behold they were able to actually win so there is going to be a lot of pressure on Manchester United and 90 % of bets will go for Liverpool because they are doing better than Manchester United so there was much trust given to Liverpool but at the end of the day look at what happened Manchester United was able to draw them.

Manchester United were able to take their chances and defend well against Liverpool and honestly we have never seen them play with such a great performance in previous matches this season, although they failed to win over Liverpool, but the draw they got in the match was a positive result and could be a good motivation and capital for their next match.

Quote from: samuraijin on January 08, 2025, 10:40:36 AM

It's only a matter of time to see Manchester United back on track in the hands of Amorim, The philosophy has been found to lift Manchester United's game in the middle of this season, indeed no one expected them to be able to hold a draw not only you but I was also surprised to see Manchester United's game last week, actually Manchester United could have won the match and embarrassed Liverpool at home but Harry Maguire's shot soared high above the Liverpool goalpost.

In that match manchester united has shown an extraordinary mentality, especially with their current condition which is surprisingly able get a draw from team which very solid and impressive like liverpool this season, although in that match they showed a lot of improvement, but I hope they don't repeat the mistakes that happened previously, previously we saw them rise by beating manchester city, but after that they slumped again before finally getting 1 point at anfield, I think amorim needs to improve their current consistency to be able to win the remaining matches this season.

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Quote from: RockBell on January 07, 2025, 03:33:19 PM

Quote from: Palakka on January 07, 2025, 12:16:55 PM

I think most of us who bet on that match would have lost money and I'm sure of it, because most of us would have preferred to bet on Liverpool given the poor performance of Manchester United, but what was seen in that match actually very surprising to us where Liverpool actually faced great difficulties to beat the Red Devils, I even think that Liverpool in that match almost lost if Maguire could maximise the chances he got towards the end of the match, just like you, I also hope that they can continue to maintain their performance and also an impressive game like against Liverpool, because if they can show a solid game like that in the next match then I am quite sure that they can win.

Everyone believed that there is no way that Manchester United would have been able to draw Liverpool and behold they were able to actually win so there is going to be a lot of pressure on Manchester United and 90 % of bets will go for Liverpool because they are doing better than Manchester United so there was much trust given to Liverpool but at the end of the day look at what happened Manchester United was able to draw them.

It's only a matter of time to see Manchester United back on track in the hands of Amorim, The philosophy has been found to lift Manchester United's game in the middle of this season, indeed no one expected them to be able to hold a draw not only you but I was also surprised to see Manchester United's game last week, actually Manchester United could have won the match and embarrassed Liverpool at home but Harry Maguire's shot soared high above the Liverpool goalpost.

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Quote from: CLS63 on January 07, 2025, 04:02:49 PM

Manchester City have finally started to win in the league. Together with the impressive win against West Ham the win streak is 2 matches now. By the way I liked their game in the last match. There was some good progress. Guardiola was complaining about injuries and underlining the need of signing new players. But clearly they can actually win under the circumstances. I think there was some psychological issues among the players before and we will see if it is really solved on the upcoming days.

By the way Nottingham Forest really impress me this season. I wonder what they will do against Liverpool next week.

But I think it is still too early to call out that Manchester City is back in the game. The game against West Ham was a major change of their situation into a positive direction, but it was still not the strong old Manchester City that everyone knows. West Ham had almost twice as many shots and quite high ball possession. Now this doesn't matter too much as Guardiola wants the results to be good rather than any other statistics like ball possession, but in the long run it does have an impact in my opinion as Manchester City's indistinguishable strength came from overwhelming dominance and high efficiency. They are still not there yet again.

In the next three weeks they can confirm the positive development if they beat or at least don't lose against PSG, Chelsea and Arsenal.

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Quote from: Hanadawa on January 08, 2025, 07:32:01 AM

The results of this week's matches were really beyond my expectations. The match between Liverpool and Manchester United will be an exciting match to watch but I didn't expect United to be able to hold Liverpool to a draw at Anfield. Liverpool performed impressively in their previous matches. They beat Tottenham with a score of 3-6 and they beat West Ham with a big score of 5-0. They are really in their best form to score many goals. But United were able to hold Liverpool to a draw. This result is certainly not good for Liverpool who are in their momentum. On the contrary, this result can increase Manchester United's confidence in the next match.

Our team still has a good points difference with the competing teams. Moreover, the result against Manchester United was only a draw, not a defeat, so we also did not lose any points.
In terms of numbers, the draw against Manchester United made Liverpool fail to widen the gap in points with the second-placed team so it can be said that Liverpool should have been able to be more than 6 points from Arsenal.

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On the other hand, Nottingham Forest is still continuing their positive trend. I am really impressed with their performance. It seems like they will be able to finish in the top 4 of the standings at the end of the season.

Nottingham Forest until their 20th match is still okay. Later in the 21st match Liverpool will challenge them to test how consistent they are this season.
They have been great so far, I admit. In the last match, they were also able to secure 3 points because they won 3 goals over Wolverhampton. If they are able to secure points again against Liverpool, the top four position might be secured.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on January 07, 2025, 05:35:13 PM

I guess I have no choice but to admit I was wrong regarding Manchester United. I predicted it will be a walk in a park for Liverpool and an easy 3 points, but Amorim's team played really well on Sunday. I would even risk saying they've been slightly better than Liverpool, at least in creating goal-scoring chances. They could've even won it if Maguire didn't wasted a brilliant chance at the end of the game. A draw is a fair result.

And a very well done to Nottm Forest on their 6th straight win. They don't always impress with their style but are very effective. Thanks to the 3 points they earned by beating Wolves, they are now at 3rd place with the same number of points as Arsenal. I still don't think they will make it till the end of the season in the top 4 but who knows.

The results of this week's matches were really beyond my expectations. The match between Liverpool and Manchester United will be an exciting match to watch but I didn't expect United to be able to hold Liverpool to a draw at Anfield. Liverpool performed impressively in their previous matches. They beat Tottenham with a score of 3-6 and they beat West Ham with a big score of 5-0. They are really in their best form to score many goals. But United were able to hold Liverpool to a draw. This result is certainly not good for Liverpool who are in their momentum. On the contrary, this result can increase Manchester United's confidence in the next match.
On the other hand, Nottingham Forest is still continuing their positive trend. I am really impressed with their performance. It seems like they will be able to finish in the top 4 of the standings at the end of the season.

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Quote from: mammusu on January 07, 2025, 06:15:59 AM

Manchester United performed very impressively in their last match, although they failed to get 3 points in that match but at least a draw against Liverpool will be a better motivation for them to face the next match.
The situation faced by amorim is certainly very challenging especially with a position that is slightly above the relegation zone at this time, But I think with the poor performance and position of the team left by ten hag previously, of course whoever coaches manchester united will find it difficult to revive them at this time including amorim, so I think no matter how bad they end up at the end of the season later, it will certainly be difficult for us to see amorim fired.

They are not afraid, that's the whole point of what Amorim brought to the team. They were too frigid and rusty and they didn't had courage and confidence at all before Amorim joined and while their talent isn't that high and we all know they are bunch of bad players but Amorim made them think that they can, and that's the feeling every team needs, the feeling of "we can", and that's what United has now. How do we know this?

It doesn't matter if they are playing at relegation level team, or Liverpool, on the last minutes even Maguire was high up and trying to score and they were taking risks to get three points. That's not something old United would do, you wouldn't see them fighting until the last whistle, they would not even be this close normally to be fair, but they didn't just accepted 2-2 as a good result against Liverpool, and they desired for that goal to make them get three points, which is the whole point of how they are looking better.

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I guess I have no choice but to admit I was wrong regarding Manchester United. I predicted it will be a walk in a park for Liverpool and an easy 3 points, but Amorim's team played really well on Sunday. I would even risk saying they've been slightly better than Liverpool, at least in creating goal-scoring chances. They could've even won it if Maguire didn't wasted a brilliant chance at the end of the game. A draw is a fair result.

And a very well done to Nottm Forest on their 6th straight win. They don't always impress with their style but are very effective. Thanks to the 3 points they earned by beating Wolves, they are now at 3rd place with the same number of points as Arsenal. I still don't think they will make it till the end of the season in the top 4 but who knows.

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Quote from: Fuso.hp on January 06, 2025, 08:35:22 AM

The Belgian midfielder played an important role in the last match Manchester City played and Manchester City won by a big margin. His injury problems as well as his lack of form combined have led Manchester City to underperform in several matches. With this same team and if De Bruyne's performance remains unchanged, they will do well in the upcoming matches. Manchester City will continue to do well as long as De Bruyne and the rest of the 10 players play, but when the players try to play other strategies without this player, their chances of doing well will decrease.

Kelvin Debruyne's injury problems is not responsible for Manchester City's poor run of form because last season when he was injured, he missed many games and they did well without him. Manchester City poor performance is mainly due to the absence of Rodri and also because they've been selling key players without any replacement. KD has been crucial in city's success but I think his days at the club is coming to an end. His reoccurring injuries is a major concern and City may decide to path ways with him this season or next.

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Manchester City have finally started to win in the league. Together with the impressive win against West Ham the win streak is 2 matches now. By the way I liked their game in the last match. There was some good progress. Guardiola was complaining about injuries and underlining the need of signing new players. But clearly they can actually win under the circumstances. I think there was some psychological issues among the players before and we will see if it is really solved on the upcoming days.

By the way Nottingham Forest really impress me this season. I wonder what they will do against Liverpool next week.

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