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Happening right now is Newcastle United leading Asernal in a fiercely contending Battle and at the moment, Newcastle United is leading Arsenal with 1 goal, this is a chance that Newcastle players are ready to protect to walk away with the available points for this game, and from the look of things now that we heading to the half time it likely that Asernal may bear the loses in this match, since time and chances are becoming smaller for Asernal to make an equalizing goals scores in this match.

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Quote from: Palakka on January 07, 2025, 12:16:55 PM

Quote from: mamesso on January 07, 2025, 08:11:06 AM

If the opponent was not Liverpool, maybe MU would have won the game. The players really showed something different at Anfield, they played very disciplined and their attacks were very effective. This is the kind of game that the board of directors expects from Amorim, hopefully he can make MU perform better in the next match.

I think most of us who bet on that match would have lost money and I'm sure of it, because most of us would have preferred to bet on Liverpool given the poor performance of Manchester United, but what was seen in that match actually very surprising to us where Liverpool actually faced great difficulties to beat the Red Devils, I even think that Liverpool in that match almost lost if Maguire could maximise the chances he got towards the end of the match, just like you, I also hope that they can continue to maintain their performance and also an impressive game like against Liverpool, because if they can show a solid game like that in the next match then I am quite sure that they can win.

If we think about the chance that Maguire had in injury time, obviously, it was a golden opportunity that would have made Maguire a hero by beating Liverpool at Anfield. But yes, it's unfortunate that Maguire was in that position because if another player was in that position and not Maguire, then I'm sure another player would have been able to maximize that golden opportunity to turn it into a goal and seal the victory for Manchester United. But even so, even though I also lost the bet because I chose Liverpool -1.5, but by watching Manchester United play and Onana's few saves, then I personally admit that Manchester United have a good effort and deserve to get points.

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Quote from: Palakka on January 07, 2025, 12:16:55 PM

I think most of us who bet on that match would have lost money and I'm sure of it, because most of us would have preferred to bet on Liverpool given the poor performance of Manchester United, but what was seen in that match actually very surprising to us where Liverpool actually faced great difficulties to beat the Red Devils, I even think that Liverpool in that match almost lost if Maguire could maximise the chances he got towards the end of the match, just like you, I also hope that they can continue to maintain their performance and also an impressive game like against Liverpool, because if they can show a solid game like that in the next match then I am quite sure that they can win.

Everyone believed that there is no way that Manchester United would have been able to draw Liverpool and behold they were able to actually win so there is going to be a lot of pressure on Manchester United and 90 % of bets will go for Liverpool because they are doing better than Manchester United so there was much trust given to Liverpool but at the end of the day look at what happened Manchester United was able to draw them.

Liverpool did not take them seriously if not they would have been able to win them, because we all know the existing conditions of Manchester United so they have been struggling ever since and imagine out of five games Manchester United have only one draw, that is the worst have seen they have been unable to win any game how they are able to draw Liverpool is what is still surprising me, am not that surprised because anything can always happen but did not expect it from a club like Liverpool to be drawing a club like Manchester United.

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Quote from: Inwestour on January 07, 2025, 04:29:07 AM

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To be honest, United doesn't go too low, but they do not get better neither, they end up losing and then winning and keeping their position at the moment. They are still 13th and they were at that level for a while, so I am not really expecting them to be all that different. My best guess would be 10th, and worst would be 15th, that's where they will finish, I bet that they won't finish 9th, and I bet that they won't finish 16th, that much is obvious from how they are playing.

Obviously not everyone thinks the same and I am sure that there are a lot of people who think differently, but I am pretty sure that we are going to end up like this without a doubt. Everyone talks about how bad they are, but nobody realizes Spurs are just one point and place above, they are not doing that good neither, this season has been a bit different for that reason.

Manchester United have lost 4 of their last 5 games and tied once in the last round with Liverpool, in fact they can go even lower, but where to go, only the relegation zone and if this happens then Amorim will be fired immediately. I even think that even without this, the management of Manchester United is already thinking about how suitable Amorim is for their team as a coach, because the results are very bad.

When I check they have 1 win and 1 tie with 3 losses in the last 5 games, meaning they got 4 points out of 5 games, out of possible 15 points. I agree that 4/15 isn't good and they need to do better, but some of those games were games they could have won, and if they won just one more game, they would have been 7 points in 5 games and I think for a team that is looking for a midtable finish (that is what they will probably do) then that is not bad at all.

I can see how they are going to end up with a result that will be probably better in the near future and I think we are going to see them do as fine as it gets, so it is not really that shocking at all. I expect at least 7 maybe even 10 points out of their next 5 league games, they are good enough to pull that off.

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Quote from: KingsDen on January 06, 2025, 03:59:12 PM

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We actually need no more evidence to understand that Nottingham Forest did not come to joke this season. Most times I asked myself question to why small teams like Nottingham Forest will be getting it right this season while big teams like Manchester United will be struggling. I personally believe that this is about building for the future. When Nottingham Forest gained promotion to the English Premier League, the match 23 signings and we laughed at them because the assignments were not popular kind of superstars. Little did we know that they were building a formidable team, and today I can tell you that with the rate Nottingham Forest is playing, they will definitely make top four this season because they are not in any European competition that will give them much distraction. They are exerting same energy Leicester city exerted years back.

Yes, you are absolutely right. Nottingham Forest's performance so far this season has been nothing short of brilliant. However why they are undinaiable in in good form, it's unlikely that we will witness another surprise Premier League title win like Leicester City's incredible triumph in the 2015/2016 season.

The current Premier League landscape remains very competitive with dominant teams like Liverpool, Arsenal all performing at their highest level, these teams possess depth, world class players and resources that makes it challenging for Nottingham forest to replicate Leicester City's onetime success in the Premier League. In as much as Nottingham forest's current form is very impressive, I think their main focus should be trying to secure a strong finish this season, potentially qualifying for an European competition next season and continue to build on their recent success.

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Quote from: Palakka on January 07, 2025, 12:16:55 PM

Quote from: mamesso on January 07, 2025, 08:11:06 AM

If the opponent was not Liverpool, maybe MU would have won the game. The players really showed something different at Anfield, they played very disciplined and their attacks were very effective. This is the kind of game that the board of directors expects from Amorim, hopefully he can make MU perform better in the next match.

I think most of us who bet on that match would have lost money and I'm sure of it, because most of us would have preferred to bet on Liverpool given the poor performance of Manchester United, but what was seen in that match actually very surprising to us where Liverpool actually faced great difficulties to beat the Red Devils, I even think that Liverpool in that match almost lost if Maguire could maximise the chances he got towards the end of the match, just like you, I also hope that they can continue to maintain their performance and also an impressive game like against Liverpool, because if they can show a solid game like that in the next match then I am quite sure that they can win.

But I am one of the bettors who do not believe in Liverpool's victory when facing Man United. And in the previous thread I expressed my doubts and concerns about the match. Because my thinking says a draw can happen when both teams know each other's weaknesses. So a draw should not be a painful surprise for bettors. Everyone must have the same hope to see MU return to its glory days. But unfortunately all of that requires a very long process and requires several seasons depending on how Amorim manages the Man United squad.

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Quote from: mamesso on January 07, 2025, 08:11:06 AM

If the opponent was not Liverpool, maybe MU would have won the game. The players really showed something different at Anfield, they played very disciplined and their attacks were very effective. This is the kind of game that the board of directors expects from Amorim, hopefully he can make MU perform better in the next match.

I think most of us who bet on that match would have lost money and I'm sure of it, because most of us would have preferred to bet on Liverpool given the poor performance of Manchester United, but what was seen in that match actually very surprising to us where Liverpool actually faced great difficulties to beat the Red Devils, I even think that Liverpool in that match almost lost if Maguire could maximise the chances he got towards the end of the match, just like you, I also hope that they can continue to maintain their performance and also an impressive game like against Liverpool, because if they can show a solid game like that in the next match then I am quite sure that they can win.

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Quote from: Olatundespo on January 07, 2025, 10:45:24 AM

Manchester United are in good spirits after a draw with top-placed Liverpool, but the fans are fed up with coach ruben amorim. Their performance has not improved much over the years. Most of the criticism is to be blamed on the coach. The team management is divided on whether the coach is actually responsible for the team's poor state. United performance has been very poor for several years and amorim has taken charge of the team. More than a year has passed but the team has not been able to make any noticeable improvement. Amorim is trying to motivate the team even criticizing the team as a strategy and focusing on training. Manchester United will take on Arsenal in the FA Cup next Sunday and they will play against Southampton in the next match. Fans are waiting for how well Coach amorim team can perform in the upcoming matches.

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For Real? They should have bloody won the game against Liverpool if Harry Maguire had just sent that ball into the next. O that's a fat lie there my man, only fans who are dump in the head will blame and fault Ruben Amorim honestly. How many managers been sacked and criticized over the years? And you still blame Ruben Amorim? I doubt you're even a Manchester United fan and even of you're one, it's a big shame you don't know nothing about Man United. They wad able to salvage a point against Liverpool so I'm not so worried about the next game facing Arsenal on God.

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Quote from: Roseline492 on January 07, 2025, 10:23:14 AM

Yes if it was some other club Manchester United would have won the match on the Anfield because the challenge was much for Liverpool but they prevail. Arsenal is playing their semi-finals today with Newcastle United on the EFL league, the semi finals fixture is Liverpool to play with Tottenham Hotspur but Liverpool match is tomorrow being 8 January and after meeting the first time they will all meet again while those that was playing at home will be the away team, is very interesting, so actually Arsenal or Liverpool will win the cup because Newcastle United and Tottenham Hotspur is not a contender.

What’s if it was some other team they will have won like all the other clubs haven’t been to this ground this season and lost, if I can remember the only team to have beaten Liverpool all season is Nottingham Forest and they did at Anfield, Nottingham Forest on the other are just six points behind Liverpool which tells you how good they are this season and how good you need to be to defeat Liverpool. For me Manchester United would’ve won that game not because Liverpool were bad that day but because Manchester United stepped up their game. You can clearly see that if they can continue to play better like they did against Liverpool and Manchester City they would have been in a better position but they still just lack consistency from their game.

As for the EFL semi final i will personally not jump into conclusion that it will be a Liverpool vs Arsenal final because the other two contenders aren’t just push overs. For me the club I will easily rule out is Tottenham due to their poor performance but as for Newcastle they currently one of the most in form teams in the league and with the away Arsenal are playing this days I personally think they stand a better chance to go to the final

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Quote from: Inwestour on January 07, 2025, 04:29:07 AM

Quote from: bitgolden on January 07, 2025, 12:33:23 AM

To be honest, United doesn't go too low, but they do not get better neither, they end up losing and then winning and keeping their position at the moment. They are still 13th and they were at that level for a while, so I am not really expecting them to be all that different. My best guess would be 10th, and worst would be 15th, that's where they will finish, I bet that they won't finish 9th, and I bet that they won't finish 16th, that much is obvious from how they are playing.

Obviously not everyone thinks the same and I am sure that there are a lot of people who think differently, but I am pretty sure that we are going to end up like this without a doubt. Everyone talks about how bad they are, but nobody realizes Spurs are just one point and place above, they are not doing that good neither, this season has been a bit different for that reason.

Manchester United have lost 4 of their last 5 games and tied once in the last round with Liverpool, in fact they can go even lower, but where to go, only the relegation zone and if this happens then Amorim will be fired immediately. I even think that even without this, the management of Manchester United is already thinking about how suitable Amorim is for their team as a coach, because the results are very bad.

Manchester United are in good spirits after a draw with top-placed Liverpool, but the fans are fed up with coach ruben amorim. Their performance has not improved much over the years. Most of the criticism is to be blamed on the coach. The team management is divided on whether the coach is actually responsible for the team's poor state. United performance has been very poor for several years and amorim has taken charge of the team. More than a year has passed but the team has not been able to make any noticeable improvement. Amorim is trying to motivate the team even criticizing the team as a strategy and focusing on training. Manchester United will take on Arsenal in the FA Cup next Sunday and they will play against Southampton in the next match. Fans are waiting for how well Coach amorim team can perform in the upcoming matches.

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Quote from: mamesso on January 07, 2025, 08:11:06 AM

If the opponent was not Liverpool, maybe MU would have won the game. The players really showed something different at Anfield, they played very disciplined and their attacks were very effective. This is the kind of game that the board of directors expects from Amorim, hopefully he can make MU perform better in the next match.

Yes if it was some other club Manchester United would have won the match on the Anfield because the challenge was much for Liverpool but they prevail. Arsenal is playing their semi-finals today with Newcastle United on the EFL league, the semi finals fixture is Liverpool to play with Tottenham Hotspur but Liverpool match is tomorrow being 8 January and after meeting the first time they will all meet again while those that was playing at home will be the away team, is very interesting, so actually Arsenal or Liverpool will win the cup because Newcastle United and Tottenham Hotspur is not a contender.

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Quote from: junder on January 06, 2025, 08:55:27 PM

Including myself who did not expect them to be able to match their match against Liverpool. Liverpool captain Van Dijk said his feelings of disappointment for failing to win his match yesterday but still felt quite lucky to be able to bring home a point after Harry Maguire wasted a great opportunity in the final minutes towards the end of the match, maybe if Maguire had managed to take advantage of that opportunity Manchester United would have celebrated.

Although the results of yesterday's match against Manchester United were better than before, Amorim still felt disappointed with their development. Even though I think that they were able to match Liverpool, it was quite good development, but it does not mean that the same thing will happen in the next match.
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Ruben Amorim has learnt from the Manchester City game earlier already and can't just believe that his team are ready, they need to be consistent for at least like 5 games before he may sees that there have been an actual improvement on the team.

Manchester United has never been consistent I hope he can speak to his men to continue well even in their next EPL match against Southampton.

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Quote from: kawetsriyanto on January 06, 2025, 03:43:38 PM

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I think Liverpool has performed quite well. They dominated the match, they only wasted some opportunities to score more goals.

If the opponent was not Liverpool, maybe MU would have won the game. The players really showed something different at Anfield, they played very disciplined and their attacks were very effective. This is the kind of game that the board of directors expects from Amorim, hopefully he can make MU perform better in the next match.

Quote from: kawetsriyanto on January 06, 2025, 03:43:38 PM

The season isn't over yet, you can't state that Liverpool is like finishing this season with a wonderful result. Even if Liverpool looks perfectly in the first half of the season, we don't know what will happen in the second half of the season. However, I'm sure Liverpool will keep playing consistently.

The recent draw suggests they will experience the same thing in their next game, the EPL has some strong teams and Liverpool could drop points against them. Although Liverpool managed to get through the first half of the season with extraordinary performance, there is no guarantee that they will be able to maintain their performance.

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Quote from: Stable090 on January 06, 2025, 06:13:46 PM

Quote from: Amphenomenon on January 06, 2025, 12:00:22 PM

They didn't just steal a point at Anfield, they did even almost got all 3 points if not for that costly missed by Harry Maguire.

Manchester United played well in the match, their performance in the match was a surprising one because most people didn’t expect Manchester United to get a draw in the match. Due to their performance in their previous matches, lots of people were expecting the match to be an easy win for Liverpool, but they couldn’t get a win in the match, they had to struggle before they could get a draw in the match.

Of course the result surprised everyone especially playing at Anfield stadium which is famously haunted by opponents. Moreover, the performance between Liverpool and Manchester United this season is very far but Manchester United beyond predictions was able to get points at Liverpool's home. But unfortunately Manchester United's performance was inconsistent even though they had changed coaches as in other big matches where at that time after defeating Manchester City, then in the next few matches Manchester United actually lost. The momentum of the draw obtained at Liverpool's home ground should have continued to be increased by Manchester United to continue to achieve positive results to improve their ranking because if not, it is not impossible that Manchester United will potentially experience relegation this season.

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Quote from: Inwestour on January 07, 2025, 04:29:07 AM

Quote from: bitgolden on January 07, 2025, 12:33:23 AM

To be honest, United doesn't go too low, but they do not get better neither, they end up losing and then winning and keeping their position at the moment. They are still 13th and they were at that level for a while, so I am not really expecting them to be all that different. My best guess would be 10th, and worst would be 15th, that's where they will finish, I bet that they won't finish 9th, and I bet that they won't finish 16th, that much is obvious from how they are playing.

Obviously not everyone thinks the same and I am sure that there are a lot of people who think differently, but I am pretty sure that we are going to end up like this without a doubt. Everyone talks about how bad they are, but nobody realizes Spurs are just one point and place above, they are not doing that good neither, this season has been a bit different for that reason.

Manchester United have lost 4 of their last 5 games and tied once in the last round with Liverpool, in fact they can go even lower, but where to go, only the relegation zone and if this happens then Amorim will be fired immediately. I even think that even without this, the management of Manchester United is already thinking about how suitable Amorim is for their team as a coach, because the results are very bad.

Manchester United performed very impressively in their last match, although they failed to get 3 points in that match but at least a draw against Liverpool will be a better motivation for them to face the next match.
The situation faced by amorim is certainly very challenging especially with a position that is slightly above the relegation zone at this time, But I think with the poor performance and position of the team left by ten hag previously, of course whoever coaches manchester united will find it difficult to revive them at this time including amorim, so I think no matter how bad they end up at the end of the season later, it will certainly be difficult for us to see amorim fired.

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Quote from: bitgolden on January 07, 2025, 12:33:23 AM

To be honest, United doesn't go too low, but they do not get better neither, they end up losing and then winning and keeping their position at the moment. They are still 13th and they were at that level for a while, so I am not really expecting them to be all that different. My best guess would be 10th, and worst would be 15th, that's where they will finish, I bet that they won't finish 9th, and I bet that they won't finish 16th, that much is obvious from how they are playing.

Obviously not everyone thinks the same and I am sure that there are a lot of people who think differently, but I am pretty sure that we are going to end up like this without a doubt. Everyone talks about how bad they are, but nobody realizes Spurs are just one point and place above, they are not doing that good neither, this season has been a bit different for that reason.

Manchester United have lost 4 of their last 5 games and tied once in the last round with Liverpool, in fact they can go even lower, but where to go, only the relegation zone and if this happens then Amorim will be fired immediately. I even think that even without this, the management of Manchester United is already thinking about how suitable Amorim is for their team as a coach, because the results are very bad.

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Quote from: TastyChillySauce00 on January 07, 2025, 02:12:04 AM

Seeing how terrible Manchester United's results under Amorim. He deserves to be sacked. I don't even see any positivity on his club. His club is worsening everyweek.

Their draw against Liverpool feels like a win, which is degrading their standard. The better for them to sack him and entire players, then rebuild it again.

It's embarassing if they will get another losses.

There isn't a way for Manchester United to sack him ever right now. They have paid a fee to get him released from Sporting and you can bet that he has an expensive clause in his contract if they would sack home before the contract expires. It is reported that they paid €12 million for him and I think they pay him around €25 million in salaries for his 2.5 years contract.

But apart from the financial burden, this would be highly dubious and come across as incompetent if they take action against ten Hag, get a new coach while the season is running and then sack that new coach in less than two months. It would be funny to be honest, but no they are not going to do that.

But do you actually think that Amorim is to blame? Ten Hag left behind a big mess and Amorim was supposed to clean that up, but is it possible with the same players that ten Hag deemed worthy of playing in the Premier League to clean up that mess and play for titles? That's not clear-sighted I think. It had to happen this way and maybe Manchester United's focus is already put on next season while they try to keep the damage as low as possible this season.

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Quote from: kawetsriyanto on January 06, 2025, 03:43:38 PM

Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on January 06, 2025, 12:15:29 PM

I can't agree more!

Liverpool were definitely not good enough. Who would have thought they would struggle against one of the worst versions of Manchester United? Especially while having a wonderful season...

I think Liverpool has performed quite well. They dominated the match, they only wasted some opportunities to score more goals.
The season isn't over yet, you can't state that Liverpool is like finishing this season with a wonderful result. Even if Liverpool looks perfectly in the first half of the season, we don't know what will happen in the second half of the season. However, I'm sure Liverpool will keep playing consistently.

Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on January 06, 2025, 12:15:29 PM

I really liked Amorim's game this time. The players look much better in games against big clubs of the PL.

It is surprising that you are amazed with Amorim's game. Cheesy

Have you checked his stats since he managed Man United? I personally assume he isn't better that Ten Hag.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on January 06, 2025, 12:15:29 PM

This is mostly due to the lack of quality in their squad I'm afraid. Sad

I don't find it good for a club like Manchester United. I hope Amorim will make it a little better until the end of this month.

You can't totally blame the players. It is also the lack of coach capability. Amorim applies no proper strategy and formation. It makes Man United players to play under performance. They have improved well under Van Nistelrooy's management, now they are decreasing their performance again. It is because the players feel uncomfortable with Amorim's approach. TBH, I doubt that Amorim will make this team to perform better.

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The fact that they have no money anymore. Grin

Seeing how terrible Manchester United's results under Amorim. He deserves to be sacked. I don't even see any positivity on his club. His club is worsening everyweek.

Their draw against Liverpool feels like a win, which is degrading their standard. The better for them to sack him and entire players, then rebuild it again.

It's embarassing if they will get another losses.

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Quote from: bitgolden on January 07, 2025, 12:33:23 AM

To be honest, United doesn't go too low, but they do not get better neither, they end up losing and then winning and keeping their position at the moment. They are still 13th and they were at that level for a while, so I am not really expecting them to be all that different. My best guess would be 10th, and worst would be 15th, that's where they will finish, I bet that they won't finish 9th, and I bet that they won't finish 16th, that much is obvious from how they are playing.

They can not satisfy with a position in mid of table and see it's fine for them. Especially after they already spent a lot of money for developments in coaches, player transfers and salary for their players, coaches and staffs, their rank so far is very terrible. Even a position on in top four is a failure, and now we are talking about lower positions like 6th, 9th, 10th as their success in this season. Seriously, it's not what Manchester United I know with Alex Ferguson or Jose Mourinho.

Quote from: Litzki1990 on January 06, 2025, 11:47:47 PM

The weather was a bit bad but just like Liverpool played in this bad weather so Manchester United played in this bad weather so aside from the weather we have to discuss how any team performed in this match. Undoubtedly, Manchester United performed well at Liverpool's ground considering Liverpool.
Liverpool have won most of the matches of the season and they were at the top of the points table and again this match was played at their home ground everyone had Liverpool ahead of Manchester United at the start of the match. But Manchester United have proved that no team is difficult for them. Manchester United have seen a very competitive performance in this match. Of course, they have to maintain the consistency of this tough competition, only then they can improve further.

Weather is bad or good for both teams and they all play in same condition in a same match. Liverpool did not play too well like expectation and Manchester United outperformed so that 1 point is very deserved for Manchester United and Amorim in this hard time. One point from a strong opponent like Liverpool can help Manchester United a lot in their confidence, and this draw can be a light at the end of tunnel for them. At least it's one of hope for their improvements in coming matches.

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To be honest, United doesn't go too low, but they do not get better neither, they end up losing and then winning and keeping their position at the moment. They are still 13th and they were at that level for a while, so I am not really expecting them to be all that different. My best guess would be 10th, and worst would be 15th, that's where they will finish, I bet that they won't finish 9th, and I bet that they won't finish 16th, that much is obvious from how they are playing.

Obviously not everyone thinks the same and I am sure that there are a lot of people who think differently, but I am pretty sure that we are going to end up like this without a doubt. Everyone talks about how bad they are, but nobody realizes Spurs are just one point and place above, they are not doing that good neither, this season has been a bit different for that reason.

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