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Quote from: Lannakosa on January 06, 2025, 06:13:07 AM

Quote from: blue Snow on January 05, 2025, 07:03:54 PM

Even they are bad, they were able to get 1 point on Liverpool's home last night. This is an accomplishment in amidst their poor performance on the previous match. I don't now what kind of criteria for management to put the player on market, because some of them still fits for the team, a player like Amad Diallo, Mazraoui, and Dalot is look good playing last night. So I think the management should think it who is worthy because if they sell the wrong one, it will interfere with MU's performance next.

One good match is not an indicator, but it can be a start. I will say honestly I did not expect that Manchester United would be able to play at least a draw against Liverpool and it seems that everyone thought so, and maybe Liverpool underestimated the guests. Before this Manchester United received 4 defeats and for Amorim it was very bad, he urgently needed to change something, and a draw with Liverpool will add confidence to him, but the most important thing is that they stop losing in the next games.

I agree with you and that was really beyond expectation. I thought this match would be a massacre because Man United's performance was very bad before, while Liverpool is in the opposite form. But unexpectedly Man United played quite well and they didn't make things easy for Liverpool. This cannot be used as a sign that they will get better, but at least they are showing good progress from before.

Now it remains to be seen whether Amorim can maintain this progress, or perhaps he will spring a surprise by bringing a new player to Old Trafford.

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Quote from: hahay on January 04, 2025, 12:50:39 PM

If Chelsea fails to bounce back, then I am sure that Chelsea will also fail to finish in the top four. Because after all, if I consider Chelsea's last four matches, at least Chelsea only played against mediocre teams that on paper Chelsea has a good chance of maintaining its winning streak. But yes, I personally might be quite surprised after five consecutive wins, but for the last four matches Chelsea has not had a win at all. Thus, of course Manchester City who are basically in a bad trend, still have a big chance to be able to return to the top four and make Chelsea get out of the top four as time goes by.

Chelsea's performance has fallen in the previous four games, I wasn't expecting such a poor performance from the club at this time, they've only played a few games this season, yet they can't keep their winning streak. Chelsea’s performance lately was bad; they were defeated by Fulham and Ipswich, a team struggling to avoid relegation, the most unexpected thing is that Manchester United, who were poorer than Chelsea, did not lose to Ipswich.

However, Chelsea could lose their chances of making it to the top four. Chelsea began the season with an amazing performance, defeating some clubs that we had hoped could be the right candidates to compete with Liverpool for the title, but at this point, I do not believe we have confidence in Chelsea as a title contender this season because their performance is becoming weak. I observed some strange comments from Chelsea supporters criticizing the manager, and Maresca made it clear that they are not competing for the title.

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Quote from: blue Snow on January 05, 2025, 07:03:54 PM

Even they are bad, they were able to get 1 point on Liverpool's home last night. This is an accomplishment in amidst their poor performance on the previous match. I don't now what kind of criteria for management to put the player on market, because some of them still fits for the team, a player like Amad Diallo, Mazraoui, and Dalot is look good playing last night. So I think the management should think it who is worthy because if they sell the wrong one, it will interfere with MU's performance next.

One good match is not an indicator, but it can be a start. I will say honestly I did not expect that Manchester United would be able to play at least a draw against Liverpool and it seems that everyone thought so, and maybe Liverpool underestimated the guests. Before this Manchester United received 4 defeats and for Amorim it was very bad, he urgently needed to change something, and a draw with Liverpool will add confidence to him, but the most important thing is that they stop losing in the next games.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on January 06, 2025, 04:18:14 AM

Quote from: SatoPrincess on January 06, 2025, 04:04:34 AM

The Liverpool and Manchester United game ending in a draw favored Arsenal to closing up the gap from Liverpool. Arsenal are looking good on the table but their performance against Brighton was awful. I expected better this season especially after maintaining outstanding performances and winning rate in the last two seasons I was thinking the team will replicate them this season where Manchester City are falling behind. Arsenal needs to be consistent if they want to race Liverpool for the trophy this season.

Exactly my thoughts and expectations for Arsenal this season, but unfortunately, their performance in last two seasons were really great compared to their awful performance this season, it is really disappointing to be honest, since personally, I've envisioned Arsenal winning the Premier league title this season, and their hard work in the last two seasons finally paying off, but unfortunately again, this failed to be the case (atleast, from what we have seen so far).

But all hope are not lost I believe, with them being only 6 points behind Liverpool, its still possible for them to claim the number one spot in the league table, but unfortunately, they will have to rely on Liverpool's failure to win coming games, while they themself(Arsenal) make sure to win all their coming games.
I do not trust Arsenal to pull this off due to their inconsistencies, and Liverpool may on the other hand not give them that chance, but all the same, lets cross our fingers and see what the coming weeks holds in store.

Yes it did have a small impact, but I think Liverpool is still way too strong this season and it would take so much for Arsenal to close that gap fully. I know it is not impossible, but it would need Liverpool to drop in performance while Arsenal gets their game to the level that they failed to achieve last season and the season before.

Last season Arsenal had 89 points and yet fell short of Manchester City. I think Liverpool will finish the season around 90 points and Arsenal has 18 games to go and if they win all the games, it would give them 94 points. But how realistic is it that Arsenal wins 100% of the remaining games? It's not very likely and Chelsea is falling behind again although I thought they might play a very solid season, but they gave away 10 points in the last four games.

The other teams are irrelevant when it's about the title and Arsenal is the one team that still has a small chance, but Liverpool would have to play horrible from now on or otherwise they won't give that advantage away.

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The gap with Arsenal has dropped to 6 points for Liverpool maybe but the thing is they still have a missing game to play. It is really difficult to catch up with them, isn't it? Grin

I'm eyeing Manchester City on one hand as well. The gap is 12 points now. Can they comeback from such a huge distance? It would be their new record if they make it once again. But I don't think Liverpool will mess up that big. Even though Amorim managed to counter them, Liverpool still didn't lose the game. They really have a solid discipline with Arne Slot this season. They still move on with only 1 loss in 19 games. It really doesn't feel like they can be prevented from winning the league title. The remaining games against the top teams would also determine their fate.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on January 05, 2025, 08:09:11 PM

Quote from: Lannakosa on January 03, 2025, 08:18:07 AM

Manchester United are going through a very difficult time, if I'm not mistaken, these are the most difficult times for the team in their entire history. And Liverpool are in optimal shape and beat all opponents both in the Premier League and in the Champions League, so I think they will have no difficulty beating such a Manchester United. Actually, after the dismissal of ten Hag, Manchester United became even worse, so I don't see any reason why they could beat Liverpool.

Unfortunately things have not gone well for MU, because now everything is turning in the sense that the coach decided to change strategy and not that of Rud VanNistelroy, then in view of these things Amorim wants to make his own style of play and he does not have the time or the experience with the players to do something like that, really I think that the worst has already happened and that is that they have left Ten Hag who for me is the worst thing that has happened to this team, it is like having hired the enemy, then basically if this one is no good (Amorim) they have to look for another until they find out what it is.

Well I still think there is so much in that Manchester United team, most of the players aren’t playing for the badge, And Manchester United shouldn’t have appointed Amorim now they should’ve allowed Ruud Vanistroy to continue with the job after sacking Ten Hag, Amorim is going to continue having a difficult time at Manchester United. Amorim should’ve been appointed during the off season when he can bring in his tactics to the team and a working game plan but I still think this team will continue to struggle and when they meet the smaller teams in the league they will disappoint.

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on January 06, 2025, 04:04:34 AM

The Liverpool and Manchester United game ending in a draw favored Arsenal to closing up the gap from Liverpool. Arsenal are looking good on the table but their performance against Brighton was awful. I expected better this season especially after maintaining outstanding performances and winning rate in the last two seasons I was thinking the team will replicate them this season where Manchester City are falling behind. Arsenal needs to be consistent if they want to race Liverpool for the trophy this season.

The premier league just looks like a one horse race. Liverpool have had a good season and the team didn’t expect to be in this place at the start of the season, everybody was expecting man city and Arsenal to fight for the tittle and at this point non of them is fighting for it as of yet. Arsenal keep dropping point whenever Liverpool drops points. And they aren’t having a good game recently their performance against Brighton was below standards. And was never good enough. Saka also out with injurie is bad for them, but there is a lot of games to play. Arsenal should keep fighting.

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on January 06, 2025, 04:04:34 AM

The Liverpool and Manchester United game ending in a draw favored Arsenal to closing up the gap from Liverpool. Arsenal are looking good on the table but their performance against Brighton was awful. I expected better this season especially after maintaining outstanding performances and winning rate in the last two seasons I was thinking the team will replicate them this season where Manchester City are falling behind. Arsenal needs to be consistent if they want to race Liverpool for the trophy this season.

Manchester city was falling behind I believe the team is back on its feet. If you actually watch the match between mancity and westham then you will get to know what am really talking about and I believe the hard time is over for Manchester city and it is all going to be win, win for them. Arsenal and Liverpool are not the only clubs that is racing for the trophy. I believe Manchester city still stand a better chance to go home with the trophy despite the odds, they have done it before and I believe they can still do it again the possibilities are there.

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on January 06, 2025, 04:04:34 AM

The Liverpool and Manchester United game ending in a draw favored Arsenal to closing up the gap from Liverpool. Arsenal are looking good on the table but their performance against Brighton was awful. I expected better this season especially after maintaining outstanding performances and winning rate in the last two seasons I was thinking the team will replicate them this season where Manchester City are falling behind. Arsenal needs to be consistent if they want to race Liverpool for the trophy this season.

Exactly my thoughts and expectations for Arsenal this season, but unfortunately, their performance in last two seasons were really great compared to their awful performance this season, it is really disappointing to be honest, since personally, I've envisioned Arsenal winning the Premier league title this season, and their hard work in the last two seasons finally paying off, but unfortunately again, this failed to be the case (atleast, from what we have seen so far).

But all hope are not lost I believe, with them being only 6 points behind Liverpool, its still possible for them to claim the number one spot in the league table, but unfortunately, they will have to rely on Liverpool's failure to win coming games, while they themself(Arsenal) make sure to win all their coming games.
I do not trust Arsenal to pull this off due to their inconsistencies, and Liverpool may on the other hand not give them that chance, but all the same, lets cross our fingers and see what the coming weeks holds in store.

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Quote from: SUPERSAIAN on January 05, 2025, 05:18:11 PM

We knew that Liverpool would have high ball control and passes against Manchester United in the match, but no one expected Manchester United to get points from such a good Liverpool. Salah made great passes, if he had a good finish, he would have won this match with the clear passes he made.

It is not clear whether he will leave at the end of the year or whether they will sign a new contract, so it is too early to talk about this, but how will Liverpool replace Salah after he leaves? Liverpool cannot play the ball as fluently without Salah.

Before the match I thought Liverpool would win comfortably, but Manchester United resisted Liverpool very well. The game was played at a high tempo. Maguire missed a very clear chance in the last minute. If he had scored in that position, Manchester United fans might have better memories of him in the future. But he failed to capitalize on a very clear goal position in the last minute. By the way, I also saw some problems in the Liverpool defense. I think they need to make some important defensive signings in the winter transfer window. I think they can win the league title more easily if they strengthen their defense.

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The Liverpool and Manchester United game ending in a draw favored Arsenal to closing up the gap from Liverpool. Arsenal are looking good on the table but their performance against Brighton was awful. I expected better this season especially after maintaining outstanding performances and winning rate in the last two seasons I was thinking the team will replicate them this season where Manchester City are falling behind. Arsenal needs to be consistent if they want to race Liverpool for the trophy this season.

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Quote from: Adiljutt156 on January 05, 2025, 06:46:17 PM

The performance of Chelsea football team is very bad because that team lost last many matches and that team should try on their mistakes. They will play next match against Morecambe football team and we will get good competition between these two teams. Both teams played 1 match between each other and Chelsea football team was a winner of this match and we are watching the track record of both teams which is looking like same because Chelsea team could win only 1 match out of 5 matches and 2 matches were draw between these two teams and two matches lost by Chelsea football team. Morecambe team lost 3 matches and they won only 2 matches. But still I am thinking that Chelsea is favorite for that match because that team has more experienced and they will win this match.

We have seen Chelsea play very badly in recent few matches, but they have not lost too many matches. It is true that Chelsea did not win any of the 4 matches. Chelsea will face Morecambe football team in their next match i.e. FA cup match, this match is third round match. There are many differences between Chelsea and Morecambe in terms of experience, performance and players.

Chelsea football team has the best players and experienced players but Morecambe football team does not have the best players and experienced players. Earlier in 2021, Chelsea won against Morecambe. Chelsea have not yet lost any match against Morecambe so Chelsea will enter the field as favorites in this upcoming match.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on January 06, 2025, 01:08:29 AM

I like it when these kinds of comparisons are made with the history of football games, for me the MU players have lowered their level because of their coach, they don't give them freedom but it's because they have to respect their system, I personally would say that things are different now, Liverpool was left by a coach who for me is among the best in the world , in Exchange with MU unfortunately they came up against the worst coach of all time and from MU , so the players are there , Amorim was not satisfied with doing things well, now he changed his strategy at the worst moment , he did not leave what Nistelroy did and then this caused the results now.

Amorim's start was very bad and it is very difficult to evaluate his work in the context of one match, despite the fact that they were able to play a draw with Liverpool, this does not mean that Manchester United are now fine, this is the first point earned in the last 5 matches, since they lost the previous 4 matches. Next there will be a match with Arsenal in the FA Cup and most likely they will not be able to win this match either.

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Quote from: mamesso on January 05, 2025, 10:01:44 PM

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Quote from: Lannakosa on January 03, 2025, 08:18:07 AM

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Unfortunately things have not gone well for MU, because now everything is turning in the sense that the coach decided to change strategy and not that of Rud VanNistelroy, then in view of these things Amorim wants to make his own style of play and he does not have the time or the experience with the players to do something like that, really I think that the worst has already happened and that is that they have left Ten Hag who for me is the worst thing that has happened to this team, it is like having hired the enemy, then basically if this one is no good (Amorim) they have to look for another until they find out what it is.

Every coach certainly wants to be himself by adopting a playing style that has become his trademark. Amorim cannot be demanded to be Van Nistelrooy or any other coach because he has his own philosophy, it's just that the EPL is more competitive than the Portuguese League which makes it a bit difficult for him at Man United. A draw against Liverpool was quite good in my opinion, because they came to Anfield not as favorites, especially since they had previously lost three consecutive games in the EPL.

I don't actually think that it's about competition between the English premier league or the Portuguese league, what's the major obstacle that has been holding Amorin back at Manchester united is that the players hasn't full adapt to his playing system, and he can't achieve such excellence with the kind of players at his disposal at Manchester united, he needs at least two transfer window like this present January transfer window and during the summer to aquire his own type of players that will be able to easily blend into his playing system.
I believe that if Amorin can achieve that, he will definitely improve Manchester united more than they have ever been recently.

Then as for their game yesterday against Liverpool, to be honest here, I was really impressed by their performance at Amfield, I initially thought that Liverpool will run then over, but they not just surprised me, they also surprised most Manchester united faithful with the kind of performance they put in yesterday.

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Quote from: blue Snow on January 05, 2025, 07:03:54 PM

Quote from: Marykeller on January 05, 2025, 05:07:54 PM

It has become clear by the day that Manchester United players are no longer qualified to play for Manchester United again. Their poor performance since the era of Ten Hag till now, under Amorim as head coach is still there. It is no longer the coach is the problem, the players are the main problem. Letting all go in January, to bring in quality players should be the best approach to take for Manchester United's poor performance.

However, Mikel Obi is right in all this, and many sports analysts have been making the same suggestion for Manchester United management to sell off their old players for new players. Let's just see, the kind of players Amorim will be aiming at, and how Manchester United will like to buy them, going for higher or lesser-paid quality players. Let's just see

Even they are bad, they were able to get 1 point on Liverpool's home last night. This is an accomplishment in amidst their poor performance on the previous match. I don't now what kind of criteria for management to put the player on market, because some of them still fits for the team, a player like Amad Diallo, Mazraoui, and Dalot is look good playing last night. So I think the management should think it who is worthy because if they sell the wrong one, it will interfere with MU's performance next.

i don't know why even after what united played yesterday, we still find reasons to criticize them and make it look like they too bad. this is the same Liverpool that we all expected to trash them settling for just a single point and we still see it as though united didn't play well? when you even watch the way, they were able to press and still defend against united attack, you just have to give kudos to them because it was never an easy thing for them to do against a team like Liverpool. you could even observe that at the start, Manchester united where underrated and that is the reason why even after salah missed some chances, he still was laughing as though they were going to win the game Afterall. with this result, things are looking pretty open for teams at the top six of the table with most of them almost on a close range of point. if Nottingham Forest are able to get a lead against wolves today, they fall up to the second just six points below Liverpool and on the same point with arsenal and the battle continues getting all heated up.

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Quote from: ndutndut on January 03, 2025, 12:29:24 PM

Besides, if you think about it. Liverpool was once as bad as when Man United was at the peak of its glory in the SAF era. Liverpool has never been ranked 14th in the Premier League standings even though the coach has changed. Even in the Rafa Benitez era, Liverpool once beat Man United at Old Trafford with a score of 0-4. Moreover, now the current generation of Liverpool is above Man United.

I like it when these kinds of comparisons are made with the history of football games, for me the MU players have lowered their level because of their coach, they don't give them freedom but it's because they have to respect their system, I personally would say that things are different now, Liverpool was left by a coach who for me is among the best in the world , in Exchange with MU unfortunately they came up against the worst coach of all time and from MU , so the players are there , Amorim was not satisfied with doing things well, now he changed his strategy at the worst moment , he did not leave what Nistelroy did and then this caused the results now.

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As I said earlier in this thread we should reconsider betting on Liverpool win against Man United because this game might be a bit of a surprise and Man United will give a tough fight, I said earlier that Man United might win if not then it will be a draw and it turned out they drew 2:2 and my prediction was right to bet on BTTS or over 2.25.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on January 05, 2025, 08:09:11 PM

Quote from: Lannakosa on January 03, 2025, 08:18:07 AM

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Unfortunately things have not gone well for MU, because now everything is turning in the sense that the coach decided to change strategy and not that of Rud VanNistelroy, then in view of these things Amorim wants to make his own style of play and he does not have the time or the experience with the players to do something like that, really I think that the worst has already happened and that is that they have left Ten Hag who for me is the worst thing that has happened to this team, it is like having hired the enemy, then basically if this one is no good (Amorim) they have to look for another until they find out what it is.

Every coach certainly wants to be himself by adopting a playing style that has become his trademark. Amorim cannot be demanded to be Van Nistelrooy or any other coach because he has his own philosophy, it's just that the EPL is more competitive than the Portuguese League which makes it a bit difficult for him at Man United. A draw against Liverpool was quite good in my opinion, because they came to Anfield not as favorites, especially since they had previously lost three consecutive games in the EPL.

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Quote from: Lannakosa on January 03, 2025, 08:18:07 AM

Manchester United are going through a very difficult time, if I'm not mistaken, these are the most difficult times for the team in their entire history. And Liverpool are in optimal shape and beat all opponents both in the Premier League and in the Champions League, so I think they will have no difficulty beating such a Manchester United. Actually, after the dismissal of ten Hag, Manchester United became even worse, so I don't see any reason why they could beat Liverpool.

Unfortunately things have not gone well for MU, because now everything is turning in the sense that the coach decided to change strategy and not that of Rud VanNistelroy, then in view of these things Amorim wants to make his own style of play and he does not have the time or the experience with the players to do something like that, really I think that the worst has already happened and that is that they have left Ten Hag who for me is the worst thing that has happened to this team, it is like having hired the enemy, then basically if this one is no good (Amorim) they have to look for another until they find out what it is.

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Quote from: Marykeller on January 05, 2025, 05:07:54 PM

It has become clear by the day that Manchester United players are no longer qualified to play for Manchester United again. Their poor performance since the era of Ten Hag till now, under Amorim as head coach is still there. It is no longer the coach is the problem, the players are the main problem. Letting all go in January, to bring in quality players should be the best approach to take for Manchester United's poor performance.

However, Mikel Obi is right in all this, and many sports analysts have been making the same suggestion for Manchester United management to sell off their old players for new players. Let's just see, the kind of players Amorim will be aiming at, and how Manchester United will like to buy them, going for higher or lesser-paid quality players. Let's just see

Even they are bad, they were able to get 1 point on Liverpool's home last night. This is an accomplishment in amidst their poor performance on the previous match. I don't now what kind of criteria for management to put the player on market, because some of them still fits for the team, a player like Amad Diallo, Mazraoui, and Dalot is look good playing last night. So I think the management should think it who is worthy because if they sell the wrong one, it will interfere with MU's performance next.

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