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Quote from: hyudien on December 15, 2024, 01:34:10 PM

Nice game The Red Devils you guys worked well, this result hit Pep Guardiola hard for the 2nd time in the hands of Amorim. This was a very exciting comeback, throughout the match it was very intense so outside the guess that there would be 2 quick goals that United did after being 1 goal behind.

Man it was completely unbelievable... I love the Premier League so much because of this kind of things! Grin

I'm not a Manchester United fan but I really loved the way they made that comeback.

Guardiola was scratching his head already after the equalizer due to Nunes' huge mistake. Right after Diallo scored a great goal thanks to an amazing assist by Lisandro Martinez.

I think Diallo was the hero of the game for the Red Devils.

If I'm not wrong it is 1 win in last 11 games or something like that. It is horrible statistics for Manchester City. Until when are they going to continue like this I wonder...

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Nice game The Red Devils you guys worked well, this result hit Pep Guardiola hard for the 2nd time in the hands of Amorim. This was a very exciting comeback, throughout the match it was very intense so outside the guess that there would be 2 quick goals that United did after being 1 goal behind.

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Quote from: bitgolden on December 15, 2024, 11:44:32 AM

Robertson looks like the weak spot for Liverpool, while I do agree that he had a better than expected season, the red card is a proof that he is not their strong side, and they need someone better there without a doubt, someone faster, someone quicker there. Aside from that, their defense is too far up, which is fine when they are 11vs11 but when they were missing a player, maybe they could have pulled the defense a bit back, attacking with 10 people do provide some risks, which we have seen in this game.

Although in this match Robertson's red card was his own fault for not being able to control the ball well but I don't consider him bad overall just because he made a mistake in this match.

He was indeed one of the reasons for the draw for Liverpool in this week's match but that doesn't mean he's bad overall because in my opinion for this season he still looks quite stable in terms of performance on the pitch even on several occasions he actually became one of the players who contributed enough in providing a move to help Liverpool's attack line in terms of initiation.

The problem of players for Liverpool at this time is actually quite complex because instead of thinking about Robertson now that a replacement must be found, it would be better for them to think about how to keep the players whose contracts are running out at this time especially that it is far more important than the problem for Robertson.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on December 15, 2024, 12:36:01 PM

We're at the half-time of the Manchester Derby and the City lead 1-0 after Gvardiol's header.
I wonder what Guardiola's tactic will be after the break. Will he set his team defensively, hoping to drive the lead till the final whistle and maybe score some more from counter-attacks, or will they be playing aggressively just to make a statement.
Whatever happens, I hope we don't end up with a 1-1 draw. I'd rather have either of them to win than to split points.

I knew Manchester City will play aggressively today after some shameful defeat in the Champions League and their draw against Crystal Palace in their last Premier League encounter, and today since they are playing at the Etihad stadium, they will do everything to win the match.

Manchester United on the other hand will play with caution, Amorim will want to maintain in order not to lose his first Manchester Derby, however, it is happening now because City has taken the lead and they keep dominating the match till the end of the first half.

Can Amorim and his team respond to the goal early in the second half?
Or can Pep and his players double the lead as soon as possible?

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Quote from: Adiljutt156 on December 15, 2024, 11:29:38 AM

Nottingham Forest football team played very excellent against Aston Villa football team and that team won the match by doing 2 goals in this match. And Aston Villa football team did only 1 goal in this match. Durán did first goal of the match and after we saw two goals by players of Aston Villa football team. Milenković did second goal of the match and first goal for his team and after his goal score of both teams was equal. Elanga did last goal of the match and he did goal at 93 minutes and he played important role because that match could be draw but that player saved the match from draw.The possession percentage of both teams was good and pass of both teams were excellent and pass accuracy of both teams was comparable.

We enjoyed a match full of drama. I really don't think Nottingham Forest will be able to win this match till the end. Nottingham Forest's great performance this season has surprised us all. Aston Villa is also a strong team this season. Despite being a strong team, Aston Villa lost to Nottingham Forest in today's match/

Both teams played very carefully in the first half. Neither team conceded a goal in China. Both teams played somewhat defensively. However, the whole scenario changed in the second half after Aston Villa scored. Aston Villa striker Jhon Duran scored in the 63rd minute of the match. After conceding the goal, Nottingham Forest players increased their attack speed.
However, the interesting thing is that Nottingham Forest scored their first goal in the 87th minute of the match. After scoring the first goal in the 87th minute, Elanga scored just 6 minutes later. And Nottingham Forest went ahead in the match with a score of 2-1. Nottingham's players performed very well in today's match as usual.

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We're at the half-time of the Manchester Derby and the City lead 1-0 after Gvardiol's header.
I wonder what Guardiola's tactic will be after the break. Will he set his team defensively, hoping to drive the lead till the final whistle and maybe score some more from counter-attacks, or will they be playing aggressively just to make a statement.
Whatever happens, I hope we don't end up with a 1-1 draw. I'd rather have either of them to win than to split points.

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Quote from: Cityhunter34 on December 15, 2024, 06:14:52 AM

Liverpool played a very interesting game, even with the red card they were able to get a draw against Fulham. Indeed it was really an incredible performance from Liverpool players because considering Fulham performance in the premier league if not for the great experience of Liverpool in that game I think Fulham would have taking the lead, But Liverpool were able to create a chances and secured their title race.

Robertson was quick sent off from the pitch after the red card but they score goal less than 20 minutes after many pressure but since it was there attach that was compromised, three body men couldn't hold down Muniz Rodrigo and Fulham lead them with another goal. However, they never gave up and fought until the end and equalized the goal to end the match as draw in the 86 minutes, this is a game you see top teams played and that's what Liverpool has demonstrated.

They are still leading and that's a good thing, imagine Arne Slot coming to Premier League for the first time and he was able to win Premier League before that corner treak guy Arteta, it's going to be a big banter for Arsenal after all the struggles and yet they couldn't lift the trophy and they have been at the top of the table 3 times now. As for Manchester City performance, I understand there position; if you have been at the peak of your life and everything start falling, you will be hopeless.

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Robertson looks like the weak spot for Liverpool, while I do agree that he had a better than expected season, the red card is a proof that he is not their strong side, and they need someone better there without a doubt, someone faster, someone quicker there. Aside from that, their defense is too far up, which is fine when they are 11vs11 but when they were missing a player, maybe they could have pulled the defense a bit back, attacking with 10 people do provide some risks, which we have seen in this game.

You can say anything about Liverpool if you want, but you can't say they are playing a boring football, they are really trying to do their very best to provide entertaining football under Arne Slot, which is great to watch.

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Quote from: Oluwa-btc on December 15, 2024, 10:50:09 AM

The draw between Arsenal and Everton was something I expected last weekend when they was supposed to go against Liverpool but sadly, that game was postponed. They celebrated the draw like they won all three points, I want to see them do better even go high on the premier league standing. Mikel Arteta and his squad need to do better henceforth, I have always supported them but, they give me every reason to say Patrice Evra Is right for what he said about them. Gutted to see them not grabbing 3 points.

Everton came into the game as the underdogs and it's understandable that the celebrated the draw like they won. They came into the game wanting to get anything they can and throughout they played defensively hoping to hot Arsenal on the counter but the game was controlled very well from Arsenal but in my own opinion the did not have a striker of quality to really pressure the Everton defence.
If Arsenal are Hoping to be a contender in the English premier league they need to find a striker of quality who can be a thorn in the flesh of their opposition defence.

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Quote from: blue Snow on December 14, 2024, 07:15:00 PM

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This season is the third season for Nottingham playing in the Premier League, although in the previous two seasons Nottingham was only a promoted team that was always in the lower zone. But who would have thought that in its third season this season Nottingham would really succeed in competing in the top four zone. Also, about the match that just ended, that Nottingham also fell behind first with Aston Villa's goal in the 63rd minute, but Nottingham who played at home also still had great ambitions until Nottingham still managed to score two goals even though the match was approaching the final minutes.

Because after all, Nottingham was just able to score a goal in the 87th minute and in injury time 90+3, with results like this, Nottingham remains in fourth position with 28 points but the position is still not safe, because Manchester City also still has a very big chance to be able to overtake Nottingham because Manchester City also still has one postponed match.

At least, I regret it enough because I gave up my intention to bet on Nottingham to win, but I still took this moment to keep betting with other options.

Congratulations on your winning, I also don't expect Nottingham playing well in the 2nd half. because I saw that they were quite depressed at the beginning of the first half, especially when they conceded first. But the situation changed after Elanga goal declared offside, I see there is a new spirit that triggers goals to be created. Yes, I don't know what made them rise and turn things around so quickly. I almost back to site and want bet to draw because I am sure the match end with this. But, again, the injury time change everything, Martinez should be play like before, but he could not catch that quick ball form Elanga.

Nottingham Forest football team played very excellent against Aston Villa football team and that team won the match by doing 2 goals in this match. And Aston Villa football team did only 1 goal in this match. Durán did first goal of the match and after we saw two goals by players of Aston Villa football team. Milenković did second goal of the match and first goal for his team and after his goal score of both teams was equal. Elanga did last goal of the match and he did goal at 93 minutes and he played important role because that match could be draw but that player saved the match from draw.The possession percentage of both teams was good and pass of both teams were excellent and pass accuracy of both teams was comparable.

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Quote from: jaberwock on December 15, 2024, 10:30:09 AM

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Liverpool played a very interesting game, even with the red card they were able to get a draw against Fulham. Indeed it was really an incredible performance from Liverpool players because considering Fulham performance in the premier league if not for the great experience of Liverpool in that game I think Fulham would have taking the lead, But Liverpool were able to create a chances and secured their title race.

I would say it is not just about Liverpool or arsenal neither, it's something common for most teams to have hard time at the middle of the season because players are tired and there are also a lot of injured players in many teams as well.

PSV lost, Juventus got a tie, Bayern lost, Marseille and Monaco both got ties, Real Madrid got a tie, basically all the teams in the world that supposed to win against easier teams, ended up losing games or getting draws and that's mainly because December is quite tough, specially when it gets closer, so next week or so will be even harder if you ask me. This is why we shouldn't really consider anything further, this is normal to have something like this and we can see these type of unexpected results.

Just like you I also think that the busy schedule has had a bad impact on the big teams in the league, not just the premier league, but we can see how the title challenger teams in the top 5 European leagues actually get bad results after they only have 3 days to rest after playing in the UCL and domestic league, this is why often December, before and after boxing day is a scary weeks for every big team, not because of the possibility of losing or drawing, but the factor of prone to players injury due to tight schedules is actually something that has frightened them so far.

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Quote from: len01 on December 14, 2024, 06:15:11 PM

Arsenal vs Everton 0-0
Liverpool vs Fulham 2-2

The draw between Arsenal and Everton was something I expected last weekend when they was supposed to go against Liverpool but sadly, that game was postponed. They celebrated the draw like they won all three points, I want to see them do better even go high on the premier league standing. Mikel Arteta and his squad need to do better henceforth, I have always supported them but, they give me every reason to say Patrice Evra Is right for what he said about them. Gutted to see them not grabbing 3 points.

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Quote from: Cityhunter34 on December 15, 2024, 06:14:52 AM

Liverpool played a very interesting game, even with the red card they were able to get a draw against Fulham. Indeed it was really an incredible performance from Liverpool players because considering Fulham performance in the premier league if not for the great experience of Liverpool in that game I think Fulham would have taking the lead, But Liverpool were able to create a chances and secured their title race.

I would say it is not just about Liverpool or arsenal neither, it's something common for most teams to have hard time at the middle of the season because players are tired and there are also a lot of injured players in many teams as well.

PSV lost, Juventus got a tie, Bayern lost, Marseille and Monaco both got ties, Real Madrid got a tie, basically all the teams in the world that supposed to win against easier teams, ended up losing games or getting draws and that's mainly because December is quite tough, specially when it gets closer, so next week or so will be even harder if you ask me. This is why we shouldn't really consider anything further, this is normal to have something like this and we can see these type of unexpected results.

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Newcastle managed to defeat Leicester at home. After 4 weeks without a win, Newcastle scored 4 goals against out of form Leicester. Leicester didn't create many chances in the match, while Newcastle dominated the game. Newcastle had 27 shots and could have scored more.
Ipswich managed to defeat their relegation rivals away from home. Wolverhampton should have won this game but they were defeated at home and Ipswich took advantage to move ahead of them.

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This is a good development from Manchester United. Marcus Rashford to me has been static, he has refused to develop and it's right for Manchester united to cash in on him. Ruben Amorim has to be ruthless with his players,if he wants to achieve success at the club, and he must sell underperforming players that receives huge wages to be able to free space and generate funds to buy players that will align with his vision.

Don't think that Rashford is the player who is the cause of all the troubles for Manchester United, they can of course sell him, but it will not change anything for the better, it will only slightly relieve the wage bill, but will deprive the team of one of the forwards. It would be better for Amorim to try to reveal Rashford's full potential, than to try to sell him so quickly, although if he has already made such a decision, it is clear that he will do it.

The amount of money that Manchester United are keeping Rashford on a year, in fact, if they spend this amount of money, they will get a much better quality player who will certainly perform better than Rashford when he leaves Manchester United. Manchester United have a lot of changes to make, if they are more serious about their team then we will see a lot of changes in Manchester United next season. Manchester United has returned to good performance recently so if quality players can be brought in important places then the performance of this team will reach a better level. Manchester United is playing European League this season due to poor performance last season, if this season they can be between 1st and 5th position in the points table, but they will qualify for the Champions League again, hope the manager keeps that in mind.

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Quote from: len01 on December 14, 2024, 06:15:11 PM

Arsenal vs Everton 0-0
Liverpool vs Fulham 2-2

What happened to the performance of these two popular teams? Isn't this a disappointing surprise? Roll Eyes

I thought Arsenal and Liverpool would easily get full points to strengthen their position, but unfortunately it all ended in a draw.
Liverpool had to suffer a draw after struggling when in the first half Robertson had to leave the field and Liverpool only appeared with 10 players which gave Fulham the opportunity to score.
However, for Arsenal it seemed really difficult to score 1 goal against Everton while Arsenal chances were very big but all of that could not be utilized properly. I'm sure many bettors lost to bet on the victory of both teams.

Why are you surprised? Are not they only repeating last season result? It's common for Arsenal and Liverpool to bottle points in the middle of the season. This may last until the end of the season.

Talking about the game, Liverpool got draw after they went down with 10 players, and appreciated their efforts. It's a though game for hem considering Fulham is at their peak now.

As for Arsenal, they looked so pathetic in this game. They played with their best squad, at home, and no motivation. The worst thing is that they fought against Everton. How lucky they were for not beating Everton. Cheesy

In the end, seeing how inconsistent PL big clubs makes me think the winner can't be determined.

Liverpool played a very interesting game, even with the red card they were able to get a draw against Fulham. Indeed it was really an incredible performance from Liverpool players because considering Fulham performance in the premier league if not for the great experience of Liverpool in that game I think Fulham would have taking the lead, But Liverpool were able to create a chances and secured their title race.

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Quote from: Woodie on December 14, 2024, 11:45:20 AM

Boy oh Boy, I didn't see Liverpool falling at the hands of fulham and I know we might say that the Robetson red card changed the Reds gameplay generally...but this can't be a valid argument as teams have won games with a man down...and btw I expected Liverpool players to be hungry for a win coming from a midweek win which should have been their motivation...guess they have been brought back to reality...

Arsenal too look like they will be held by Everton who haven't allowed alot of chances to be created by the gunners, this isn't kind of results I expected to see Cry

This weekend's games are just somehow because it is not the result we all expected to see, Arsenal surprised me most because they can't defeat Everton, Everton that Manchester United defeated with 4 goals and Arsenal can't score a single goal in the match against Everton at Arsenal field, let be honest Arsenal can not win any trophy this season, even in the Champions League that they are doing well now they will not even reach the final stage of the Competition.

I was expecting Liverpool to lose a match against Fulham yesterday because Liverpool play got a red card from the beginning of the match but they still played well and equalized with 10 against 11 and drew the match, Liverpool is doing better and I hope they can continue like this and win the league, I am not a Liverpool fan but I want Liverpool to win the league so that another team will have a confidence of winning the title next season.

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Quote from: len01 on December 14, 2024, 06:15:11 PM

Arsenal vs Everton 0-0
Liverpool vs Fulham 2-2

What happened to the performance of these two popular teams? Isn't this a disappointing surprise? Roll Eyes

I thought Arsenal and Liverpool would easily get full points to strengthen their position, but unfortunately it all ended in a draw.
Liverpool had to suffer a draw after struggling when in the first half Robertson had to leave the field and Liverpool only appeared with 10 players which gave Fulham the opportunity to score.

Seeing the performance shown by fulham in the last few matches, actually the draw they got was not something that surprised me, although Liverpool was a little lame after getting a red card, but I think Liverpool has shown the character of a champion team by continuing to fight although they are outnumbered player in the match, so indeed a draw is a fair result for both teams.

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However, for Arsenal it seemed really difficult to score 1 goal against Everton while Arsenal chances were very big but all of that could not be utilized properly. I'm sure many bettors lost to bet on the victory of both teams.

For Arsenal, the draw at the emirates is clearly very disappointing, especially now that they need every point to keep catching up with Liverpool at the top of the standings, in that match they had many chances but everton's solid defence and pickford's fantastic performance made every arsenal opportunity wasted in vain, in my opinion, the faillure of the current big teams to win a natural thing considering the busy schedule they have in December.

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Quote from: len01 on December 14, 2024, 06:15:11 PM

Arsenal vs Everton 0-0
Liverpool vs Fulham 2-2

What happened to the performance of these two popular teams? Isn't this a disappointing surprise? Roll Eyes

I thought Arsenal and Liverpool would easily get full points to strengthen their position, but unfortunately it all ended in a draw.
Liverpool had to suffer a draw after struggling when in the first half Robertson had to leave the field and Liverpool only appeared with 10 players which gave Fulham the opportunity to score.
However, for Arsenal it seemed really difficult to score 1 goal against Everton while Arsenal chances were very big but all of that could not be utilized properly. I'm sure many bettors lost to bet on the victory of both teams.

They weren't going to win forever in this really competitive league of course. But I think Liverpool could have really won if it wasn't for that red card by Robertson. He should also be kept responsible for this point loss. They did their best in the last 15 minutes and even more with the stoppage time but it wasn't enough for a comeback.

Arsenal were in full control of the game against Everton however that winner didn't came no matter how hard they tried. Pickford was really one of the bests of the match with 5 saves.

Chelsea are rubbing their hands now. Grin

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Quote from: Docnaster on December 14, 2024, 04:24:48 PM

Quote from: ajanwalker on December 14, 2024, 04:14:56 PM

Today, we saw once again what a quality league the Premier League is. Liverpool drew 2-2 with Fulham in a match that was clear on paper.
Of course, the biggest factor in this was that they fell behind 0-1 in the 11th minute of the match, and shortly after this goal, A. Robertson received a red card due to the last man rule and things got worse for Liverpool, but they still did not give up the fight.
Even though they were 10 men, they fought well and made the score 1-1 at the beginning of the second half. Fulham took the lead once again in the 76th minute of the match, but Jota came on the scene in the 86th minute and scored the goal that brought Liverpool a point.
Even though it looked like Liverpool lost 2 points, they actually gained one.
Chelsea, which is going quietly in this league, is in second place and says it is in the championship race.
Tomorrow is the Manchester derby, although City is the favorite, the Red Devils may surprise.

Andy Robertson was shown the red card five minutes after Fulham scored the first goal of the game but that didn't stop the English Premier League leaders from getting an away point today. Liverpool's Arne Slot have once again shown that he's a great manager that possesses the tactical experience to get results in the most difficult situations.
Liverpool's 2:2 draw at Craven Cottage today have given Chelsea the opportunity of reducing their points difference behind Liverpool to just two points if they defeat their visitors Brentford tomorrow and considering the current form of Chelsea, I think they'll surely win that game

Liverpool are in such a good position that despite seeing the red card early, they created more chances than Fulham throughout the match. We can say that they did not experience any disadvantages due to their absence. In fact, it is a good thing that they ended the match in a draw, they almost won. Still, there are two points lost for Liverpool. If Andy Robertson had not received the red card, Liverpool would probably have won this match easily.

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