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Sir Alex Ferguson is the past and the past is only a story. What is important is the present and the future.
A series of names of coaches after Sir Alex Ferguson can indeed be considered to have failed in achieving the desired targets. For me, when the shadow of the past story is always a benchmark, then it is burdensome for the coach's psychology.

Ruben Amorim could be one of the coaches who will be challenged to reap success at Old Trafford, I hope so, but I doubt it and it is likely that his fate will be the same if the past story continues to be used as a target. It's okay, but it has to be realistic.
Whoever the coach is, as long as Manchester United's squad is not improved significantly, failure will always haunt them. It will not be easy at all to stop Manchester City's dominance in the Premier League and every team competing will admit that. If Manchester United want to win the title with their new coach, then they must ensure that their squad is better than Liverpool, Arsenal and Manchester City.

So in essence, lowering expectations for Manchester United is good advice for all fans. They don't need to expect much from the new coach and the existing squad, but they just need to hope that one day this team will compete again when the squad is really better than the current top 3 teams.
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Manchester United identity has changed completely since Alex Ferguson decided to retire in 2013. Eight managers (three of them interim managers) have been chosen as Ferguson's successors, but all of them ended in failure, including Mourinho who managed to deliver the Europa League and FA Cup titles. Now Rúben Amorim is trying his luck at Old Trafford, he will make his debut on November 24 against Ipswich Town. MU contracted him until June 2027, they also had to pay €10 million as his release clause from Sporting.

You can't compare the players Ferguson used to play Manchester United to these ones, I think that was when he had Manchester United in their peak time and those players are beast. The players we are having now are more of entertainers making huge allocation of weekly money yet couldn't win anything and we blame coaches for their error, it's not like the coach will be on the pitch, his own is to give instructions how they should play and wait for them to do as addressed.

Didn't you see how Manchester United finish Leicester City in their last match, are we going to just blame the coach. Some people were saying that it's because Erik didn't do this and that and didn't do good formation and I compare it with the last match they played against Westham and there isn't much difference in the starting, it's just players effort that change and I think it was deliberately done, those guys don't just like Erik and it's obvious.
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Update on tomorrow games lineups in the premier league Asernal, Manchester city and Liverpool are all on the line up tomorrow and if we take into account last week games outcome and how this club's played against other smaller club but with with stive resistance from those clubs, this can possibly be another weekend that will be full of surprises for this club's if care is not taking.

Although Liverpool topping the league table right now is going to be a motivation for them when playing against Brighton tomorrow, so for a bet I can give Liverpool a straight winning in the match tomorrow.
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After reading the many praises given to Man United and also the pride of Ten Hag dismissal which gave a positive result in yesterday's match, do you have confidence in the upcoming match that Man United can win against Chelsea? Even the bookmakers give the same odds between MU and Chelsea. Do you have a prediction in this match?


Manchester United is one of the top clubs in English football. Historically, it has been difficult for Chelsea to secure wins against them. I'm not surprised that bookmakers are offering similar odds, considering the fierce history between the two clubs. I believe Manchester United will have a slight advantage over Chelsea, especially as the players will be motivated to win for their interim manager, Ruud van Nistelrooy and secure their spot in the team.
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Another big game tomorrow.
Newcastle will face Arsenal at home and for the Gunnurs this can be a critical game for the entire season.
Liverpool should have ann easy game at mone against Brighton, as for Manchester City but this time in an away game.

2 interesting games also will happen Manchester United vs Chelsea and anything can happen here, and the second came Spurs vs Aston Villa with Imho, Aston Villa having an advantage.
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I think Amorim is a good appointment for United but they have been employing different managers for 10 years since Ferguson and failed. Mourinho, LVG, Ten Hag are all multiple title winners but haven’t been great for Man Utd.

Can Amorim return them to their former glories? I have my doubts but like the others before him, he will be backed in the transfer market.

I believe Mourinho was the most successful manager among the names you mentioned.I think Manchester United rushed in dismissing him.If Mourinho had been given as much time and transfer budget as Ten Hag, Manchester United would be in the title race right now. Amorim is a manager I admire, but I doubt whether he can bring Manchester United back to its former glory.
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I think Amorim is a good appointment for United but they have been employing different managers for 10 years since Ferguson and failed. Mourinho, LVG, Ten Hag are all multiple title winners but haven’t been great for Man Utd.

Can Amorim return them to their former glories? I have my doubts but like the others before him, he will be backed in the transfer market.
Manchester United have hired and fired several managers at their club in the last few seasons for success but none of the managers have achieved anything good for Manchester United. Recently Manchester United sacked Ten Hag although the manager was given enough time to prove himself before the sacking but even after that time the manager was never able to do anything good for Manchester United.

Now there are many rumors about who will be the next manager of Manchester United and many names of managers are coming in all these rumors but in the end it is certain which manager will take over the responsibility of Manchester United but no news has been received. Whoever takes charge of Manchester United will first try to groom the team and then prepare the team for the big matches.
Since Ferguson retirement, no coach has been able to bring Manchester United back to glory and they have even tried it by making many coach changes, but compared to the previous coach, I think the ten hag era is the worst era and no longer reflects Manchester United status as a big club that has been respected so far, ten Hag dismissal will be a new beginning for Manchester United today, although we don't know what will happen in the future but at least the management has taken the right steps to fired incompetent coach like Ten Hag, currently Amorim has become a strong candidate to become the next Red Devils coach and the agreement between the two parties has been established, reportedly he will start handling the team officially on November 11 so in the meantime Van Nistelrooy will be the interim coach from Manchester United.

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Chelsea will be favourites to win the games considering the change of United's management and their poor runs this season. But it seems Manchester United players are highly motivated and want to prove a point. I will bet on Chelsea but anything can happen.

Best bet would be for the both sides to score themselves on Sunday but then, you shouldn't forget that with the disastrous form of Manchester wherever they meet clubs like Liverpool,  Chelsea and Arsenal they always sit up.  Rudd will be in charge and I don't see him losing that game, I see what he's trying to do to fight for a place as assistant manager when the new manager comes into the club. In my head, it'll be a double loss for Chelsea,  losing to Newcastle United and then to Manchester United again at Old Trafford.  It could most likely be a 2-0 game.
Manchester United are going to take on Chelsea on November 3. When the match between Manchester United and Chelsea takes place, it will undoubtedly be a very competitive match for both the teams. Manchester United have not performed well in the last few matches but they have done well in the last Premier League match and they secured a big win there so will definitely want to carry that confidence into the match against Chelsea. It is difficult to predict which team will win between Chelsea and Manchester United, but since Manchester United has attacked well in the last match, it may be the right decision to bet on Manchester United. But I would refrain from betting on this match as the two teams are almost equally performing so anything can happen here.
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Well this is exactly as I said before and but it has been covered with some new pages and I'm too lazy to look for it Cheesy, the possibility of Ruben Amorim is not much different from Erik Ten Hag because in reality coaching a club as big as Manchester United is not easy, it requires a coach who has above average abilities and has experience coaching big clubs, replacing Erik Ten Hag with Ruben Amorim is like replacing an old mistake with a new mistake, I think Man United will regret being too quick in making a decision without reconsidering their decision to recruit that coach.
This is not just about the League level because it is clear that the Portuguese League cannot be compared to the English League. If based on that, of course every coach will end up badly, so instead of comparing the quality of the League why not compare Erik Ten Hag achievements at Ajax with Amorim achievements with Sporting? This comparison is clearly ridiculous, because it will bring up other ridiculous comparisons such as the quality of coach Arne Slot when he was in the Dutch League with Feyenoord. Isn't that even more irrelevant? Why can Arne Slot make Liverpool at the top of the standings while Erik Ten Hag is the opposite?

In the end what determines is the quality of the coach, not the Domestic League competition that has been played.
I can't comment much more but let's see how Ruben Amorim handles this club because honestly I still have doubts, not only because he coaches the Portuguese league but because currently Manchester United's condition is very worrying and needs a coach who has good quality.
And don't compare Man United with Liverpool because Liverpool's performance before Klopp left was still stable, so in Liverpool's current condition, of course choosing Arne Slot is not a problem, Liverpool's performance will be fine because the club already has quality players, so Arne Slot only maintains his team's performance, while for Ruben Amorim he has to overhaul several players and improve the quality of Manchester United's game and that is a more difficult task.
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Manchester United identity has changed completely since Alex Ferguson decided to retire in 2013. Eight managers (three of them interim managers) have been chosen as Ferguson's successors, but all of them ended in failure, including Mourinho who managed to deliver the Europa League and FA Cup titles. Now Rúben Amorim is trying his luck at Old Trafford, he will make his debut on November 24 against Ipswich Town. MU contracted him until June 2027, they also had to pay €10 million as his release clause from Sporting.
Sir Alex Ferguson is the past and the past is only a story. What is important is the present and the future.
A series of names of coaches after Sir Alex Ferguson can indeed be considered to have failed in achieving the desired targets. For me, when the shadow of the past story is always a benchmark, then it is burdensome for the coach's psychology.

Ruben Amorim could be one of the coaches who will be challenged to reap success at Old Trafford, I hope so, but I doubt it and it is likely that his fate will be the same if the past story continues to be used as a target. It's okay, but it has to be realistic.
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I think Amorim is a good appointment for United but they have been employing different managers for 10 years since Ferguson and failed. Mourinho, LVG, Ten Hag are all multiple title winners but haven’t been great for Man Utd.

Can Amorim return them to their former glories? I have my doubts but like the others before him, he will be backed in the transfer market.
Manchester United have hired and fired several managers at their club in the last few seasons for success but none of the managers have achieved anything good for Manchester United. Recently Manchester United sacked Ten Hag although the manager was given enough time to prove himself before the sacking but even after that time the manager was never able to do anything good for Manchester United.
Manchester United identity has changed completely since Alex Ferguson decided to retire in 2013. Eight managers (three of them interim managers) have been chosen as Ferguson's successors, but all of them ended in failure, including Mourinho who managed to deliver the Europa League and FA Cup titles. Now Rúben Amorim is trying his luck at Old Trafford, he will make his debut on November 24 against Ipswich Town. MU contracted him until June 2027, they also had to pay €10 million as his release clause from Sporting.
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Chelsea will be favourites to win the games considering the change of United's management and their poor runs this season. But it seems Manchester United players are highly motivated and want to prove a point. I will bet on Chelsea but anything can happen.

Best bet would be for the both sides to score themselves on Sunday but then, you shouldn't forget that with the disastrous form of Manchester wherever they meet clubs like Liverpool,  Chelsea and Arsenal they always sit up.  Rudd will be in charge and I don't see him losing that game, I see what he's trying to do to fight for a place as assistant manager when the new manager comes into the club. In my head, it'll be a double loss for Chelsea,  losing to Newcastle United and then to Manchester United again at Old Trafford.  It could most likely be a 2-0 game.
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Manchester United sacked Erik Ten Hag and now settles for Ruud van Nistelrooy as temporary headcoach, he has good vision and his plans to execute them wouldn't be any problem. As for the Sporting headcoach, Ruben Amorim will coming to Old Trafford November and that puts him in good stands to obtained the necessary important winnings for the club.
Ruud van Nistelrooy will face Chelsea because Amorim schedule takes over the team at the end of November, precisely when playing against Ipswich Town, so I think it's quite difficult to have a tough match at Old Trafford this weekend. Chelsea is not an easy team to beat, they are gradually improving and under the guidance of Enzo Maresca all the players seem to show significant changes, as a result I can't expect more from the hosts. Ruud van Nistelrooy needs a little miracle to be able to match Chelsea later.
Ruben Amorim said he would make a clarification about his move to Manchester United after Sporting Lisbon's game against Estrela today. Manchester United and Sporting have not also made any announcement which means negotiations are still ongoing. The coach is expected to resume during the international break between 11-19 November. This means Amorim will be in charge of his club for the games with Manchester City and Braga. On the other hand. Ruud van Nistelrooy will have to handle United for all the games till the new coach comes in.

Chelsea will be favourites to win the games considering the change of United's management and their poor runs this season. But it seems Manchester United players are highly motivated and want to prove a point. I will bet on Chelsea but anything can happen.
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I think Amorim is a good appointment for United but they have been employing different managers for 10 years since Ferguson and failed. Mourinho, LVG, Ten Hag are all multiple title winners but haven’t been great for Man Utd.

Can Amorim return them to their former glories? I have my doubts but like the others before him, he will be backed in the transfer market.
Manchester United have hired and fired several managers at their club in the last few seasons for success but none of the managers have achieved anything good for Manchester United. Recently Manchester United sacked Ten Hag although the manager was given enough time to prove himself before the sacking but even after that time the manager was never able to do anything good for Manchester United.

Now there are many rumors about who will be the next manager of Manchester United and many names of managers are coming in all these rumors but in the end it is certain which manager will take over the responsibility of Manchester United but no news has been received. Whoever takes charge of Manchester United will first try to groom the team and then prepare the team for the big matches.
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Manchester United sacked Erik Ten Hag and now settles for Ruud van Nistelrooy as temporary headcoach, he has good vision and his plans to execute them wouldn't be any problem. As for the Sporting headcoach, Ruben Amorim will coming to Old Trafford November and that puts him in good stands to obtained the necessary important winnings for the club.
Ruud van Nistelrooy will face Chelsea because Amorim schedule takes over the team at the end of November, precisely when playing against Ipswich Town, so I think it's quite difficult to have a tough match at Old Trafford this weekend. Chelsea is not an easy team to beat, they are gradually improving and under the guidance of Enzo Maresca all the players seem to show significant changes, as a result I can't expect more from the hosts. Ruud van Nistelrooy needs a little miracle to be able to match Chelsea later.
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Liverpool is also under pressure to hold on 1st stand. This shows how hard Liverpool try to equalize the score with the Parking Bus scheme where arsenal implementing it to hold their winning. When I look how hard to destroy the arsenal defense, Liverpool only rely on counter attacks, and finally succeeded after Darwin Nunez got Assist form Diaz, and to be fed to Mohammed Salah to equalize the score. Now, Liverpool's position was also shifted by Manchester City, it is becomes difficult to get it back, Liverpool are just waiting for the city lost it draw on next match which I thing it's look the mission impossible when they was on 1st stand premier league.


Honestly, for me Nuñez was the figure of the match, there is no other way, everyone played wonderfully, but I didn't see Luchito very well, and it's strange because he is very motivated, now with Mo Salah he is practically the hero of Liverpool, he's a great player with an incredible vision of football and his great plays, for me the best of the match was him, the Uruguayan was very focused, he was, however, plugged in and hot with the vision of goal, it was the most exciting match of the day, I think many were waiting for this match and boy was the wait worth it.

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Reaching to a point where United literally sacked Erik Ten Hag when they just did contract extension so recently, we need to realize that this isn't an acceptable situation at all and we are talking about a bigger deal here. We need to consider how things needs to be different this time around and they need to do a lot better.

I personally believe the best thing to do right now would be give him some time, but they can spare like at most a month, after that they need to see some results, otherwise things will not be simple at all because if they keep doing badly then they are not going to be happy with what they have at all, we need to consider how Amorim took on a job that will literally put his entire future at risk.
It is not easy to manage a club who have a great history in the past. Observers and fans will always compare a coach with the previous one who had the best performance in managing a club. This was once conveyed by Mourinho when he coached MU. The fans always compare him with Alex who has a different strategy and management in arranging MU, so that situation makes him get tense must be in accordance with what observers and fans expected. so when it is not in accordance with, they asked for him to be fired immediately.
 
So I think, everything must be move on, We must be realistic with what is manchester united has today, and don't expect too much if Amorim can fix it, because the current squad also not very good, that should be fixed immediately either along with new coach.
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After reading the many praises given to Man United and also the pride of Ten Hag dismissal which gave a positive result in yesterday's match, do you have confidence in the upcoming match that Man United can win against Chelsea? Even the bookmakers give the same odds between MU and Chelsea. Do you have a prediction in this match?


Manchester United football team is great and they played well in last match and did 5 goals in this match .Casemiro did 2 goals and he was top scorer and gave more passes in this match and I am expecting that that he will play well against Chelsea team . That match will be high voltage match but Manchester United team will win this match because they got good rhythm after Ten hag dismissel. Man United players are full confident and they are playing free of pressure and againt Chelsea they will play more batter and that will make winner.Every sportsman want to win the matches but Manchester United team has good side of players which are enthusiastic and they can play in any situation.
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Ruben Amorim has an impressive record but he has not managed a club as big as Manchester United. His unique ability to read the game and make tactical adjustments makes him an improvement to Erik Ten Hag, and he’s also one of the most sought-after coaches. All of this suggests that Manchester United’s decision to hire him will bring great value to the club and help restore Manchester United to where they belong.
All the suggested coaches are not as good as Ruben Amorim based on the stats and how his team is doing very well in their league.

Based on the performance Ten Hag displayed throughout his time in Manchester United, he can do better than Ten Hag even though coaching big teams is quite different from coaching average teams. But with the team United have now, the manager can make good adjustments as quick as possible to make the team better and recover soon before getting worse.
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The difficulty level of the Premier League is much higher than the Portuguese League. That's why Amorim, like Ten Hag who was brought from Ajax, may not give a good image. Manchester United is taking a big risk. They are bringing a coach from a small league to the team again. I thought they realized this mistake and would not make it again, I can say that I am very surprised.
Well this is exactly as I said before and but it has been covered with some new pages and I'm too lazy to look for it Cheesy, the possibility of Ruben Amorim is not much different from Erik Ten Hag because in reality coaching a club as big as Manchester United is not easy, it requires a coach who has above average abilities and has experience coaching big clubs, replacing Erik Ten Hag with Ruben Amorim is like replacing an old mistake with a new mistake, I think Man United will regret being too quick in making a decision without reconsidering their decision to recruit that coach.
Ruben Amorim has an impressive record but he has not managed a club as big as Manchester United. His unique ability to read the game and make tactical adjustments makes him an improvement to Erik Ten Hag, and he’s also one of the most sought-after coaches. All of this suggests that Manchester United’s decision to hire him will bring great value to the club and help restore Manchester United to where they belong.
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