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Quote from: Lucasgabd on January 08, 2025, 11:36:48 AM

maybe the safest way is sticking to the ones that ask no KYC.

but there are very few that we can find who does not ask for KYC , and i find it more safer when we are playing in KYC asking site .

that's true, not many websites without kyc, specially if you need one that bridges with fiat
you can find some that are permissionless for prediction markets like polymarket but they lack structure when it comes to sports betting

at the end of the day you'll have to choose if you really want to keep your privacy or if this is not that important.

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Quote from: promise444c5 on January 14, 2025, 01:26:54 PM

Looks like the most common restriction is based on location from what have been seeing so far in the comment section… I don’t think this is quite a problem if a reputable casino doesn’t allow you to register do to your location then there’s something attached to why they might not want a registration form that location, finding a way around it to proceed with your registration will later result to future restrictions especially when you’re ready to withdraw your funds.. If it’s because of privacy then KYC is not for you at all.. find a casino without the preference of KYC, there’s likely no restrictions based on location.. so you good.
Avoid VPNs it won’t end well if you’re trying to bypass restriction unless you have a clear on it from the Casino it self because it’s always against their TOS..

That is the point, mate. If the casino automatically blocks registrants coming from banned countries, this won't happen. Unfortunately, VPNs became their solution, and they believed they could hide their place forever. If they are not caught by now, it can be soon.

Casino has been wise already, and using a VPN is not a new thing for them; that is why they also use technology that could track and take them down. And aside from that, asking KYC could help to stop them. It makes no point of breaking the rules because we still get caught in the end.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on January 08, 2025, 11:36:48 AM

maybe the safest way is sticking to the ones that ask no KYC.

but there are very few that we can find who does not ask for KYC , and i find it more safer when we are playing in KYC asking site .

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Looks like the most common restriction is based on location from what have been seeing so far in the comment section… I don’t think this is quite a problem if a reputable casino doesn’t allow you to register do to your location then there’s something attached to why they might not want a registration form that location, finding a way around it to proceed with your registration will later result to future restrictions especially when you’re ready to withdraw your funds.. If it’s because of privacy then KYC is not for you at all.. find a casino without the preference of KYC, there’s likely no restrictions based on location.. so you good.
Avoid VPNs it won’t end well if you’re trying to bypass restriction unless you have a clear on it from the Casino it self because it’s always against their TOS..

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Quote from: $weetne$$ on January 12, 2025, 02:56:53 AM

We already agreed to be accountable for our mistakes and receive the appropriate punishment when we agreed to the ToS as we registered on the casino but many people still think that the casino will not punish them for disobeying the rules of the casino. Some casino allow the use of VPN but many of them do not allow and when you are caught using VPN to access the casino, your account will be blocked regardless of the amount of money that is in your account and then you lose all that money therefore before thinking about disobeying the rules and regulations of a casino, we should also think about the consequences of our actions so we do not blame the casino for being unfair when we are the ones that disobeyed their regulations.

But in such scenario, don't you think wouldn't it be unfair for a casino blocking a users account and yet not offering any means of unblocking if a valid reason is been issued by the user. Because as humans, inasmuch as I know we can not always be 100% perfect at the time, what if a gambler mistakenly logs into his/her casino while their VPN is still on, what do you think should be the faith of such gambler who did it on mistake and not purposely? Because despite the fact that a casino will always want to prevent ban evaders, the truth of the fact is that they can never be 100% effective.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on January 10, 2025, 10:35:21 PM

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We don't have to trying to register on the casino where they are clearly prohibit people that come from the blacklisted country in their list because that can give us a trouble. They can easily to block our account and our access to their site and if we still force ourselves to try, they will not let that happens. Even if in beginning, you can pass their system, that will not takes too long because when you want to withdraw your money, their system will check everything before they process the withdrawal.

It's like a mine that is clearly visible and is still trying to enter with forbidden access.
tried to make a deposit using crypto and in the end it was read by the system that using a VPN and the account was blocked,
there was no refund if it was done so it was just a waste.

But some interesting facts when I used a new online casino that banned my country, I got a message from the marketing admin himself even though my place was banned I was allowed to use a VPN, even though it was against the ToS that was clearly stated.

sometimes if a system is blocking your VPN account you can try buying a dedicated IP (instead of using the common pool ones) but this is not guaranteed to work
at the end of the day it is better to follow the rules, it works best like that...

using banned websites on your country is also quite risky

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Quote from: $weetne$$ on January 12, 2025, 02:56:53 AM

We already agreed to be accountable for our mistakes and receive the appropriate punishment when we agreed to the ToS as we registered on the casino but many people still think that the casino will not punish them for disobeying the rules of the casino. Some casino allow the use of VPN but many of them do not allow and when you are caught using VPN to access the casino, your account will be blocked regardless of the amount of money that is in your account and then you lose all that money therefore before thinking about disobeying the rules and regulations of a casino, we should also think about the consequences of our actions so we do not blame the casino for being unfair when we are the ones that disobeyed their regulations.

They are underestimate of what the casino can do when they are breaking their rules so they still abuse the system and some mistakes. But casino will not tolerate with something that breaks their rules and will do something such as block their account, ban or freeze their account and ask for the explanation from their member. But that will not happen for the restricted gamblers because they will search for the other ways to keep playing gambling on that casino. They do that because they like to stay on the casino but they don't think that is a mistake if they still do that.

Quote from: hyudien on January 12, 2025, 04:21:01 AM

If we still insist on playing at a casino that is actually inaccessible and can only be accessed using a VPN, then we must be prepared for the risks. So if one day we can no longer access it because it is blocked, while we still have some money in it, then don't look for a scapegoat to blame, because in fact we already know that. Because most of the people I see leaving negative traces are people like that, and in fact we can also see on this forum how people come with complaints even with the narrative that fraudulent casinos are people who initially did not understand the terms and conditions, because we can also see the response from the casino concerned.

If that is the case, maybe those people should not risk too much money for playing gambling so when something bad happens to them, they will not regret and can accept it because of their mistake. If casino block our account, we should thinks about what mistake that we are doing so we can ask to the support system to help us to check it and tell us so we can fix that. But if that is because we do something that breaks their rules, we must admitted and leave the casino and will not try use the casino to playing gambling. Those who come to this forum and complain about the casino should understand what is really happen to them and check if they are doing a mistake or not.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on January 12, 2025, 12:42:19 AM

Quote from: taufik123 on January 11, 2025, 01:02:09 AM

It's like a mine that is clearly visible and is still trying to enter with forbidden access.
tried to make a deposit using crypto and in the end it was read by the system that using a VPN and the account was blocked,
there was no refund if it was done so it was just a waste.

But some interesting facts when I used a new online casino that banned my country, I got a message from the marketing admin himself even though my place was banned I was allowed to use a VPN, even though it was against the ToS that was clearly stated.

If you still use VPN to access the casino but that against the ToS, that will just a matter of time to see they will ban your account and block your access. The casino can do anything with your account because they have full access to all of their members. It is better we don't take the risk to still access the casino and register just because we are tempting with the promo from the casino. Many casinos that we can do which is allow us to playing gambling so that will not worth to do to keep playing gambling when we are clearly against the ToS.

If we still insist on playing at a casino that is actually inaccessible and can only be accessed using a VPN, then we must be prepared for the risks. So if one day we can no longer access it because it is blocked, while we still have some money in it, then don't look for a scapegoat to blame, because in fact we already know that. Because most of the people I see leaving negative traces are people like that, and in fact we can also see on this forum how people come with complaints even with the narrative that fraudulent casinos are people who initially did not understand the terms and conditions, because we can also see the response from the casino concerned.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on January 12, 2025, 12:42:19 AM

If you still use VPN to access the casino but that against the ToS, that will just a matter of time to see they will ban your account and block your access. The casino can do anything with your account because they have full access to all of their members. It is better we don't take the risk to still access the casino and register just because we are tempting with the promo from the casino. Many casinos that we can do which is allow us to playing gambling so that will not worth to do to keep playing gambling when we are clearly against the ToS.

We already agreed to be accountable for our mistakes and receive the appropriate punishment when we agreed to the ToS as we registered on the casino but many people still think that the casino will not punish them for disobeying the rules of the casino. Some casino allow the use of VPN but many of them do not allow and when you are caught using VPN to access the casino, your account will be blocked regardless of the amount of money that is in your account and then you lose all that money therefore before thinking about disobeying the rules and regulations of a casino, we should also think about the consequences of our actions so we do not blame the casino for being unfair when we are the ones that disobeyed their regulations.

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Quote from: Oluwa-btc on January 10, 2025, 12:02:24 AM

Quote from: Hirose UK on November 19, 2024, 10:53:47 PM

A gambler will definitely do anything to keep playing and regardless of all the exceptions and prohibitions that have been given by gambling sites, paying money and borrowing other people identities will always be the main way for those who want to gamble without having to use their own data.

That's addiction playing here, cause after being restricted they get so uncomfortable and look for ways to keep up their gambling habits and that's what has led them to always finding a way out of everything. Most times it's not about money but one should adhere to some level of restrictions and this has been a very common issue in gambling thereby causing havoc to gambling sites.

I see those who are trying to restrict addicted gamblers as self-deceivers, they are tantamount to cutting grass at the surface without uprooting it, it will surely grow again. Gamblers have to be healed before you can have a reliable results in them, you can't restrict them as adults and expect them not to find alternatives. But if they are healed of it, you will even give them the freedom to gamble and they will see it as an abomination.

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Quote from: taufik123 on January 11, 2025, 01:02:09 AM

It's like a mine that is clearly visible and is still trying to enter with forbidden access.
tried to make a deposit using crypto and in the end it was read by the system that using a VPN and the account was blocked,
there was no refund if it was done so it was just a waste.

But some interesting facts when I used a new online casino that banned my country, I got a message from the marketing admin himself even though my place was banned I was allowed to use a VPN, even though it was against the ToS that was clearly stated.

If you still use VPN to access the casino but that against the ToS, that will just a matter of time to see they will ban your account and block your access. The casino can do anything with your account because they have full access to all of their members. It is better we don't take the risk to still access the casino and register just because we are tempting with the promo from the casino. Many casinos that we can do which is allow us to playing gambling so that will not worth to do to keep playing gambling when we are clearly against the ToS.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on January 10, 2025, 10:35:21 PM

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We don't have to trying to register on the casino where they are clearly prohibit people that come from the blacklisted country in their list because that can give us a trouble. They can easily to block our account and our access to their site and if we still force ourselves to try, they will not let that happens. Even if in beginning, you can pass their system, that will not takes too long because when you want to withdraw your money, their system will check everything before they process the withdrawal.

It's like a mine that is clearly visible and is still trying to enter with forbidden access.
tried to make a deposit using crypto and in the end it was read by the system that using a VPN and the account was blocked,
there was no refund if it was done so it was just a waste.

But some interesting facts when I used a new online casino that banned my country, I got a message from the marketing admin himself even though my place was banned I was allowed to use a VPN, even though it was against the ToS that was clearly stated.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on January 10, 2025, 08:35:51 AM

We can’t expect everyone to understand how casinos operate because some people insist they are right and have not broken any rules. They keep denying it, thinking that the casino won’t notice but they are wrong. Yes, some might get away with it for now, but it won’t last as soon they will eventually get caught.
That is why, if something is not allowed, we don’t need to force ourselves. Otherwise, we are risking our money from losing. It is already happened to others, so no one is exempt from the consequences

We can't but we can apply that to ourselves so we should understand how casinos operate. We cannot feels right with what we did before we read the TOS from the casino rules so we can understand what we can do and don't. We don't have to trying to register on the casino where they are clearly prohibit people that come from the blacklisted country in their list because that can give us a trouble. They can easily to block our account and our access to their site and if we still force ourselves to try, they will not let that happens. Even if in beginning, you can pass their system, that will not takes too long because when you want to withdraw your money, their system will check everything before they process the withdrawal.

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Quote from: Hirose UK on November 19, 2024, 10:53:47 PM

A gambler will definitely do anything to keep playing and regardless of all the exceptions and prohibitions that have been given by gambling sites, paying money and borrowing other people identities will always be the main way for those who want to gamble without having to use their own data.
Someone will not think twice, they will definitely give it because there is reward of money, especially for those who really need it and it will be difficult for gambling sites to really handle all problems like this, impossible about restrictions forever because there are many ways that gamblers can do.

You have just stated the right thing because apart from using other ways to access a casino that restricted a gambler as a result of breach of terms of service, they can abandon that casino and move to another since there are numerous casino sites to play gambling. Using other people's identities to gamble has been a long-time strategy of those who uses multiple accounts to gamble so it's not like it's something new. Some of the people they take their data to register on casino sites are even non gamblers who may be their close relatives and have no idea of what they are using that information for but since they are relatives, he can earn their trust. The truth is that just like some other platforms, there is no way casinos can handle all problems they encounter on their site.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on January 09, 2025, 04:38:09 PM

Quote from: Lucasgabd on January 07, 2025, 08:04:00 AM

for real, casinos could block VPN usage is they're concerned about it
this is a common practice nowadays and many sites block it.
though it can usually be passed by using a dedicated IP
it's a game of cat and mouse after all

Yes, but if you look at it it doesn't make sense, if a casino blocks VPNs, there are other much more famous casinos that allow the use of VPNs, so that automatically removes customers from a casino. If I see that there is a casino where my country is restricted and then I use a VPN and they still ban me, then I don't enter that casino anymore, because it's not the only one. I'm sure there are better ones. So in view of this, you have to see that there is more variety in this, and the casino is the one that loses in the end. A casino does not support itself, it needs customers , and if the customers get hostile? How would they do afterwards to attract more customers? It's like stabbing Themselves.

I'd say that most people simply don't care about privacy and will keep on using the websites anyways
it's a minor part of the public that would be more concerned about accessing with a VPN and would migrate their bets to a different house if their main one blocked VPNs
I don't know...

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on January 08, 2025, 11:36:48 AM

maybe the safest way is sticking to the ones that ask no KYC.

This is very difficult, things will always be the most difficult way for everyone, they will always require KYC , they will always require not using VPN, this is something that can never guarantee a person's Privacy , so those who like anonymity will simply not play in casinos anymore unless it is a decentralized casino.

Living now with the new rules and regulations of casinos thanks to Government Organizations and others is something that should never have been allowed , but due to all the obligations with the licenses, everything has been taken to this point.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on January 10, 2025, 07:14:40 AM

Those gamblers will not care with the exceptions and prohibitions from casino because they can find other ways to return to the casino. If they can think more about that, the casino will not let them back to their casino and will block or the worst thing that can happen is the casino can hold their funds without giving back to those gamblers. If they can realize that prohibitions is to control themselves from gambling, they should leave the casino and solve their problem first before they return to gambling. But not many gamblers realize that.

We can’t expect everyone to understand how casinos operate because some people insist they are right and have not broken any rules. They keep denying it, thinking that the casino won’t notice but they are wrong. Yes, some might get away with it for now, but it won’t last as soon they will eventually get caught.
That is why, if something is not allowed, we don’t need to force ourselves. Otherwise, we are risking our money from losing. It is already happened to others, so no one is exempt from the consequences

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Quote from: kotajikikox on November 19, 2024, 09:12:58 PM

There are multitude of reasons why a gambler may be banned in a casino. Whether it is because of suspicious activity or misconduct, the casino doesn't just ban or restrict a gambler for no valid reason. But it seems like these restricted gamblers have found a way to still gamble. There is a group of people who would "borrow" the identity of others to continue betting. They would use other people's identification documents such as passports or driver's licenses. They would give it up once the rewards have been collected.

No one want to pass kyc with there own personal documents that's why many re try to use another person documents by browsing or bought from black market. there is no problem still a casino site thik it as subspecies. They run into trouble when a casino site wants to freeze funds and verify documents when someone keeps depositing and withdrawing huge amounts of money. If the documents cannot be fully verified then they are restricted

Doesn't it mean that when your account is restricted in a casino, that means you violate some of their rules and policies, then others suddenly have their accounts banned because what is common in crypto gambling is dummy or multiple accounts like that.

Although, there are other gamblers who even if they have a kyc, it's okay with them as long as it's a reputable one and has a good background history in this field, it's okay with them and I don't have a problem with that either.

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Quote from: Oluwa-btc on January 10, 2025, 12:02:24 AM

Quote from: Hirose UK on November 19, 2024, 10:53:47 PM

A gambler will definitely do anything to keep playing and regardless of all the exceptions and prohibitions that have been given by gambling sites, paying money and borrowing other people identities will always be the main way for those who want to gamble without having to use their own data.

That's addiction playing here, cause after being restricted they get so uncomfortable and look for ways to keep up their gambling habits and that's what has led them to always finding a way out of everything. Most times it's not about money but one should adhere to some level of restrictions and this has been a very common issue in gambling thereby causing havoc to gambling sites.

Those gamblers will not care with the exceptions and prohibitions from casino because they can find other ways to return to the casino. If they can think more about that, the casino will not let them back to their casino and will block or the worst thing that can happen is the casino can hold their funds without giving back to those gamblers. If they can realize that prohibitions is to control themselves from gambling, they should leave the casino and solve their problem first before they return to gambling. But not many gamblers realize that.

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Quote from: Oluwa-btc on January 10, 2025, 12:02:24 AM

Quote from: Hirose UK on November 19, 2024, 10:53:47 PM

A gambler will definitely do anything to keep playing and regardless of all the exceptions and prohibitions that have been given by gambling sites, paying money and borrowing other people identities will always be the main way for those who want to gamble without having to use their own data.

That's addiction playing here, cause after being restricted they get so uncomfortable and look for ways to keep up their gambling habits and that's what has led them to always finding a way out of everything. Most times it's not about money but one should adhere to some level of restrictions and this has been a very common issue in gambling thereby causing havoc to gambling sites.

No doubt, excessive gambling is always wrong and one may lose money if they do not care about the gambling activities and how often they play. However if the gambler is restricted from a gambling site, he or she cannot gamble for sometime if it is a temporary ban and may never be able to play if it is a permanent ban.

As OP told how gamblers find a way to still access a site on which they are restricted, I think gamblers have all the freedom to make account on any other site and gamble there. Why it is so important to gamble on the site where they are restricted ?

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