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Quote from: summonerrk on December 17, 2024, 09:19:42 AM

I used to think that it was easy for a gambler to cheat an online casino if they banned him, because it was enough to find fake documents (there are a lot of them and they are easy to buy) and also install a VPN on your computer or smartphone.
But in fact, the casino very easily sees who is using a VPN, and this is surprising. This is the first time I saw that changing the IP address does not help. I don’t know how, probably by some unique device identification number, but not everyone bypasses the login to an online casino now. Some are prohibited from entering and this cannot be deceived or bypassed in any way.

many websites block VPNs nowadays, it's not a foolproof solution

if you really want to cheat on online gambling websites and casinos my main advice would be:
- don't do it

either stop gambling completely or go the correct way with KYC and everything they ask...
just not worth to cheat it, and it's not ethical either in case you care

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I used to think that it was easy for a gambler to cheat an online casino if they banned him, because it was enough to find fake documents (there are a lot of them and they are easy to buy) and also install a VPN on your computer or smartphone.
But in fact, the casino very easily sees who is using a VPN, and this is surprising. This is the first time I saw that changing the IP address does not help. I don’t know how, probably by some unique device identification number, but not everyone bypasses the login to an online casino now. Some are prohibited from entering and this cannot be deceived or bypassed in any way.

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Quote from: danadc on December 16, 2024, 09:36:37 AM

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Quote from: danadc on December 12, 2024, 09:56:44 AM

Doing that kind of acts is dangerous and sooner or later it will have consequences and that is something that cannot be avoided, if KYC of other people is Obtained at some point the casino will want to have more things, more requirements and the Names and personal data of the person appearing is something that should not be done, we must Remember that they are not only identification documents, some even go to videos of the person live and direct just to be able to Verify that Things are with that person, and that is to avoid this type of problems.

You are right, it is not only better, but also safer to always adhere and obey every restriction rules coming from casinos to the gamblers,, and also when the restriction is coming from the government of the country, it all depends on the sentiment of the people concerning the restriction, if generally, people accept it and ready to work with the government to ensure that defaulters are well punished, it's better to obey such restrictions as well. But if the restrictions is one that is not accepted by the masses, it simply means that alot of people will try to find alternative ways of bypassing such restriction, in such a situation, there is nothing the government can do since they can not punish everybody in the country.

Coming back to casinos restricting users of a particular country, I will never advice anyone to go against such, by finding alternative means of bypassing it, this has never ended well for most who did it.

I know that I shouldn't go against what they prohibit , because that is already in another legal issue, but it is necessary to know that prohibiting certain activities will not solve anything, on the contrary, it encourages the creation of illegal activities with respect to that, in that sense I do not blame those who want to echo their great anger, and that is where governments and People who are not pro-casinos come in, and that is something that should not be, sometimes a government what it does is give more hatred to its citizens, that is why we are the ones who must make the difference in every sense.

you can (almost) always change country
easier said than done, of course
but the tendency for countries that limit freedom is probably to have more people flying away for places where they have a better quality of life.
many times government create several problems trying to fix things

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on December 12, 2024, 10:09:28 AM

Quote from: danadc on December 12, 2024, 09:56:44 AM

Doing that kind of acts is dangerous and sooner or later it will have consequences and that is something that cannot be avoided, if KYC of other people is Obtained at some point the casino will want to have more things, more requirements and the Names and personal data of the person appearing is something that should not be done, we must Remember that they are not only identification documents, some even go to videos of the person live and direct just to be able to Verify that Things are with that person, and that is to avoid this type of problems.

You are right, it is not only better, but also safer to always adhere and obey every restriction rules coming from casinos to the gamblers,, and also when the restriction is coming from the government of the country, it all depends on the sentiment of the people concerning the restriction, if generally, people accept it and ready to work with the government to ensure that defaulters are well punished, it's better to obey such restrictions as well. But if the restrictions is one that is not accepted by the masses, it simply means that alot of people will try to find alternative ways of bypassing such restriction, in such a situation, there is nothing the government can do since they can not punish everybody in the country.

Coming back to casinos restricting users of a particular country, I will never advice anyone to go against such, by finding alternative means of bypassing it, this has never ended well for most who did it.

I know that I shouldn't go against what they prohibit , because that is already in another legal issue, but it is necessary to know that prohibiting certain activities will not solve anything, on the contrary, it encourages the creation of illegal activities with respect to that, in that sense I do not blame those who want to echo their great anger, and that is where governments and People who are not pro-casinos come in, and that is something that should not be, sometimes a government what it does is give more hatred to its citizens, that is why we are the ones who must make the difference in every sense.

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Quote from: junder on December 12, 2024, 05:23:08 AM

Quote from: Huppercase on December 11, 2024, 04:57:50 PM

If you own a company, you will understand why some of these casinos request for KYC from their users and you will understand them better. It's either you serve few people that don't want to do KYC and get pounded later by law enforcement than do the kyc and run your business free, most often everyone does KYC in every casino they play, they can't even differentiate between why it's good to KYC or the consequences of doing KYC, this is why you see KYC becomes the standard verification by casino.

If not that some of these casinos don't know how to handle data and users information, kyc actually help limit abusers from using the casino the way they like and if reduce cheating. Unless you are a pro in cheating, if there is a KYC verification in a casino, you wouldn't be able to cheat the system but just like I said some of these casino sell users information which is very bad thing, you don't know if they even follow data protection policy.

In my opinion, casinos that provide KYC and each player must fulfill this is not a problem, because KYC must also aim to maintain security as well as money laundering, so when there is a casino that has rules for its players to fulfill KYC, it is a natural thing.

With the many casinos that are indeed developing, it is possible that there are indeed casinos that have a bad reputation so that their goal is data or money laundering with the KYC required of their players, so we ourselves must be smart in choosing a casino because of course we ourselves do not want to experience any problems.

With the government’s efforts to crack down on illegal activities like money laundering, they now require all gambling sites to implement KYC verification for all users. There are no exceptions, as I know; if not during registration, casinos will surely ask for KYC during withdrawals.

If we understand the government’s purpose, we can also see why casinos do this. However, even in this situation, we must be extra cautious and stick to trusted casinos. It is very important to ensure our information doesn’t fall into the wrong hands or get used for fraudulent activities, which is very common to happen on scam sites.

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Quote from: Z_MBFM on November 19, 2024, 09:19:58 PM

No one want to pass kyc with there own personal documents that's why many re try to use another person documents by browsing or bought from black market. there is no problem still a casino site thik it as subspecies...

Such a player who uses the identity of another person to pass KYC will definitely have problems in the future when the casino blocks the withdrawal and requires to re-pass KYC. Therefore, using someone else's documents is not the right decision.

They can escape at first for cheating the process for providing the identity of other person. But once the same process will happen and the person they used before will be out of reach for them then for sure that this is the start of their misery especially if they encounter a serious problem or there's huge money stuck which they cannot get unless if they submit their KYC details.

So erase some thoughts of doing this and just follow the rules and restriction implemented since there's a lot of casino which our region is allowed.

Better choose the safest option since its not good good to take a risk and feel sorry later on once we encounter an issue to the site we are currently using.

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Quote from: Z_MBFM on November 19, 2024, 09:19:58 PM

No one want to pass kyc with there own personal documents that's why many re try to use another person documents by browsing or bought from black market. there is no problem still a casino site thik it as subspecies...

Such a player who uses the identity of another person to pass KYC will definitely have problems in the future when the casino blocks the withdrawal and requires to re-pass KYC. Therefore, using someone else's documents is not the right decision.

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Some of the games are restricted to their countries and some of the casino does not support their country at the same time reason why some of the player find a way because they would like to play yes there's other platform but of course if the casino has a really good service with tons of events and bonuses could be a reason why they urge to play more.
If the casino would like to create a move using the MAC address of the device could be additional layer on them with the IP address but still there's other catch if the player use other device and internet connection with their simcards so still there's a lot of way so why it's hard to the casino ban users.

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Quote from: kotajikikox on November 19, 2024, 09:12:58 PM

Are there other ways that a casino can ban or restrict a gambler for good?

I see from experience and cases that occur, banning users carried out by general online casinos is like the rules we know, if they are in a prohibited country and are forced to gamble once or twice, they pass, the third time may not happen again, as well as with the kyc process there are their own provisions, the casino can ban users who are detected to be cheating or breaking real rules.

I think there is no other way for casinos to prohibit users who violate their rules, apart from the rules that have been determined, it can be seen from the user's perspective that the country is legal for the casino, they are still safe for gambling activities.

Like you said this.

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This article warns people about their privacy and is encouraging us to keep our information private as to not be stolen and used by other people for any illicit activities. Some people may allow their identity to be borrowed for a price of money but remember that if one of these restricted gamblers do anything illegal with your identity, it is you who will be in trouble.

It's a pretty clear case, it backfires on ourselves.

For that reason, my assessment is, gamble according to the applicable rules and try to remain KYC in an official way, if you don't want your identity to be known, don't gamble rather than having to manipulate other people's identities.

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I'm just going to drop my own opinion and it doesn't matter, it shouldn't unless you sees things as I do.

Don't bother starting something you would probably not finish, because using VPN connection or borrowing someone's else identity can backfire big time, it could hit you so hard like making you lose access to your Big win.

All these can be prevented from the beginning, start your gambling career on a platform with clean foundation, it is too much hassle to start using VPN connection.

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I have previously seen offers on earning sites such as registering with your documents and receiving a certain amount as a prize. The amount is insignificant, but the offers are received for regions with very meager earnings, for people for whom such income can also be significant. I have seen people post documents of their relatives, including even very old people. It is funny to imagine that some ancient grandmother becomes an avid casino player. Buying such documents, people resell them further. As a rule, such discrepancies, including age, which logically should not be fond of games, and discrepancies in IP addresses, will be the primary reason for the ban for players who want to continue the game.

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Quote from: Oluwa-btc on December 12, 2024, 05:11:03 PM

Quote from: kotajikikox on November 19, 2024, 09:12:58 PM

There are other ways for a casino to ban a gambler but gamblers seem to always find a way which is just a tedious cycle for the casinos. What are your thoughts? Because even if they ban the ip address, gamblers can still use a vpn.

I believe there are always a way out of everything for gamblers when being restricted by a casino and a more reason multiple accounts are created to soot in for that demands and mostly when this happens it simply means the user is solely involved in some illegal acts that may include theft and all of that, so definately there should be a way out for such restricted gamblers but casino should be on check for that always.

Yes, gamblers who are restricted by the casino will finds a way to keeps gambling even if they needs to create other accounts. That will not stops them to enter to the casino but they don't thinks that is breaking the rule from the casino. Maybe they are aware of that but they keep doing that to fill their wanting to playing gambling. So it will not be easy to remove their accounts one by one but the casino will still make sure that they can handle that problem. If the casino found that account, they just need to ban or restrict the account so their cheating members will not have a chance to gamble.

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Quote from: madnessteat on December 12, 2024, 08:34:10 AM

Quote from: Jody.Drummer on December 12, 2024, 08:10:08 AM

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KYC is one of the regulator's tools for managing organizations that work with money, so the passage of KYC on many gambling platforms is inevitable.

The issue is that some dishonest casinos refuse to pay the gambler's winnings due to far-fetched reasons. It is a pity that the regulator does not have a tool to solve such cases. Therefore, the gambler needs to analyze the gambling sector to play only on platforms with a good reputation.

It's okay in my opinion it doesn't put players in trouble when they follow one of the rules that the casino provides (kyc). Many casinos require their visitors to do kyc for the security of their own accounts, but indeed for some people there are those who are uncomfortable with this like my friend who for some reason he really didn't want to do it when he found a casino like this, he preferred to look for another casino that did not ask him for kyc. Indeed, with the many casinos operating now, it is difficult for us to distinguish which casinos are trusted and which are fake, so we must be smart in choosing a casino so as not to experience unwanted things, such as the many advertisements that are now exposed, don't be gullible unless you are really curious that is your own right.

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Quote from: kotajikikox on November 19, 2024, 09:12:58 PM

There are other ways for a casino to ban a gambler but gamblers seem to always find a way which is just a tedious cycle for the casinos. What are your thoughts? Because even if they ban the ip address, gamblers can still use a vpn.

I believe there are always a way out of everything for gamblers when being restricted by a casino and a more reason multiple accounts are created to soot in for that demands and mostly when this happens it simply means the user is solely involved in some illegal acts that may include theft and all of that, so definately there should be a way out for such restricted gamblers but casino should be on check for that always.

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Quote from: Huppercase on December 11, 2024, 04:57:50 PM

Quote from: AmoreJaz on December 11, 2024, 03:19:29 PM

I believe you mean - only few casinos ask from their players to submit their kyc docs. But in this today's set-up, most licensed casinos are now asking KYC details from their customers for compliance. As they need to abide by the regulations mandated by their licensing authority, they need to implement their AML/KYC protocol to their clients.

If you own a company, you will understand why some of these casinos request for KYC from their users and you will understand them better. It's either you serve few people that don't want to do KYC and get pounded later by law enforcement than do the kyc and run your business free, most often everyone does KYC in every casino they play, they can't even differentiate between why it's good to KYC or the consequences of doing KYC, this is why you see KYC becomes the standard verification by casino.

If not that some of these casinos don't know how to handle data and users information, kyc actually help limit abusers from using the casino the way they like and if reduce cheating. Unless you are a pro in cheating, if there is a KYC verification in a casino, you wouldn't be able to cheat the system but just like I said some of these casino sell users information which is very bad thing, you don't know if they even follow data protection policy.

at the end of the day kyc probably hurts more than helps
because even though it can detain one abuser or another one many will pass by using fake ids, paying someone to kyc for them or simply hacking the system somehow

no system is hack-proof

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Quote from: danadc on December 12, 2024, 09:56:44 AM

Doing that kind of acts is dangerous and sooner or later it will have consequences and that is something that cannot be avoided, if KYC of other people is Obtained at some point the casino will want to have more things, more requirements and the Names and personal data of the person appearing is something that should not be done, we must Remember that they are not only identification documents, some even go to videos of the person live and direct just to be able to Verify that Things are with that person, and that is to avoid this type of problems.

You are right, it is not only better, but also safer to always adhere and obey every restriction rules coming from casinos to the gamblers,, and also when the restriction is coming from the government of the country, it all depends on the sentiment of the people concerning the restriction, if generally, people accept it and ready to work with the government to ensure that defaulters are well punished, it's better to obey such restrictions as well. But if the restrictions is one that is not accepted by the masses, it simply means that alot of people will try to find alternative ways of bypassing such restriction, in such a situation, there is nothing the government can do since they can not punish everybody in the country.

Coming back to casinos restricting users of a particular country, I will never advice anyone to go against such, by finding alternative means of bypassing it, this has never ended well for most who did it.

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Doing that kind of acts is dangerous and sooner or later it will have consequences and that is something that cannot be avoided, if KYC of other people is Obtained at some point the casino will want to have more things, more requirements and the Names and personal data of the person appearing is something that should not be done, we must Remember that they are not only identification documents, some even go to videos of the person live and direct just to be able to Verify that Things are with that person, and that is to avoid this type of problems.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on December 12, 2024, 08:10:08 AM

^

KYC is one of the regulator's tools for managing organizations that work with money, so the passage of KYC on many gambling platforms is inevitable.

The issue is that some dishonest casinos refuse to pay the gambler's winnings due to far-fetched reasons. It is a pity that the regulator does not have a tool to solve such cases. Therefore, the gambler needs to analyze the gambling sector to play only on platforms with a good reputation.

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on December 11, 2024, 03:19:29 PM

Quote from: Jody.Drummer on December 10, 2024, 11:50:06 PM

Currently, there are indeed many online casinos that are developing and we must be able to be careful in determining which casinos are indeed trusted casinos so that we can gamble comfortably, determining trusted online casinos and those that cheat seems difficult, I myself experienced this where I once experienced my winnings not being paid, it was annoying and with this experience made me careful when looking for a new online casino that I would visit.
With the many casinos that I found, only a few casinos submitted KYC to their visitors, I think that casinos that submit KYC are the ones that can be trusted because of guaranteed data security.

I believe you mean - only few casinos ask from their players to submit their kyc docs. But in this today's set-up, most licensed casinos are now asking KYC details from their customers for compliance. As they need to abide by the regulations mandated by their licensing authority, they need to implement their AML/KYC protocol to their clients.

It's not a problem, when a casino asks its players to fill out kyc then the players must fulfill it, this is not intended to make them negative because it is intended for their own safety, for some players who are usually reluctant to comply with this they will be surprised when they later experience problems either when withdrawing or others, and at that time they have no choice but to comply, I mean if it can be done at the beginning why not.
Actually it is our respective rights to comply or not, but for example when registering at a new casino and the casino asks us to fulfill kyc at the beginning then I will do it, maybe for those who are not comfortable with this have their own views why they are not happy with the casino that asks for kyc on him.

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What? Whatever could go wrong using your own KYC

I will tell you what can go wrong, you can send your own identity for verification, and they can be unaccepted for undisclosed reason. Many years ago, I have sent documents to receive tokens, but they were rejected. It was simply written "failed passing KYC". The project gave only one attempt to pass it, and they never explain why and where I have failed. Same thing can happen anywhere and with anyone. User can simply get failed to pass nobody would bother giving any explanation; sometimes they dont even have to explain anything at all. Just fail and bye-bye.

Well, maybe only in that way will gamblers really leave because they have no other way. Because usually, gamblers only have a way to use VPN for restricted areas about gambling, but when a gambling site or platform implements KYC requirements, users who previously used VPN may also be affected. Because after all, when previously they could log in with VPN but because their area has been revealed from the identity obtained, then in the end the related user will be restricted from using the gambling site. But with that, it is at least a reason for us to choose to remain anonymous because by doing so, users will remain comfortable and safe from existing restrictions.

some websites block VPNs but you are correct, sometimes all you have to do is use it
but if a gambler don't intend to KYC they should probably be playing on a different playground than risking a big win not getting paid because they didn't send their documents

better to avoid the issue from the beggining.

Thank you, if not for an ulterior motive or naivety, why are people still risking their money with casinos when they know they are flagrantly flouting their Don'ts? This is an affront, so whatever is meted to them as a consequence should be accepted without complaints. If at all you do not want to compromise your privacy, there are no-KYC casinos, or better still go for decentralised casinos where you will gamble as you like and receive the money without the KYC.

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