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Quote from: Huppercase on December 11, 2024, 04:57:50 PM

If you own a company, you will understand why some of these casinos request for KYC from their users and you will understand them better. It's either you serve few people that don't want to do KYC and get pounded later by law enforcement than do the kyc and run your business free, most often everyone does KYC in every casino they play, they can't even differentiate between why it's good to KYC or the consequences of doing KYC, this is why you see KYC becomes the standard verification by casino.

If not that some of these casinos don't know how to handle data and users information, kyc actually help limit abusers from using the casino the way they like and if reduce cheating. Unless you are a pro in cheating, if there is a KYC verification in a casino, you wouldn't be able to cheat the system but just like I said some of these casino sell users information which is very bad thing, you don't know if they even follow data protection policy.

In my opinion, casinos that provide KYC and each player must fulfill this is not a problem, because KYC must also aim to maintain security as well as money laundering, so when there is a casino that has rules for its players to fulfill KYC, it is a natural thing.

With the many casinos that are indeed developing, it is possible that there are indeed casinos that have a bad reputation so that their goal is data or money laundering with the KYC required of their players, so we ourselves must be smart in choosing a casino because of course we ourselves do not want to experience any problems.

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on December 11, 2024, 03:19:29 PM

I believe you mean - only few casinos ask from their players to submit their kyc docs. But in this today's set-up, most licensed casinos are now asking KYC details from their customers for compliance. As they need to abide by the regulations mandated by their licensing authority, they need to implement their AML/KYC protocol to their clients.

If you own a company, you will understand why some of these casinos request for KYC from their users and you will understand them better. It's either you serve few people that don't want to do KYC and get pounded later by law enforcement than do the kyc and run your business free, most often everyone does KYC in every casino they play, they can't even differentiate between why it's good to KYC or the consequences of doing KYC, this is why you see KYC becomes the standard verification by casino.

If not that some of these casinos don't know how to handle data and users information, kyc actually help limit abusers from using the casino the way they like and if reduce cheating. Unless you are a pro in cheating, if there is a KYC verification in a casino, you wouldn't be able to cheat the system but just like I said some of these casino sell users information which is very bad thing, you don't know if they even follow data protection policy.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on December 10, 2024, 11:50:06 PM

Quote from: tusandii on December 10, 2024, 10:38:16 PM

If you want to do KYC it is important to check the casino you are going to register sometimes casinos are often misused by dishonest users as a place for money laundering and also stealing other people's identities but that is in casinos that are not very well known, if the casino has many users and is guaranteed security then you don't need to worry about sending your personal data, it is also for the good of the user if they win some money they can make withdrawals without any problems and the casino does not suspect you as an active gambling user.

Currently, there are indeed many online casinos that are developing and we must be able to be careful in determining which casinos are indeed trusted casinos so that we can gamble comfortably, determining trusted online casinos and those that cheat seems difficult, I myself experienced this where I once experienced my winnings not being paid, it was annoying and with this experience made me careful when looking for a new online casino that I would visit.
With the many casinos that I found, only a few casinos submitted KYC to their visitors, I think that casinos that submit KYC are the ones that can be trusted because of guaranteed data security.

I believe you mean - only few casinos ask from their players to submit their kyc docs. But in this today's set-up, most licensed casinos are now asking KYC details from their customers for compliance. As they need to abide by the regulations mandated by their licensing authority, they need to implement their AML/KYC protocol to their clients.
And with the compliance - make sure you are submitting your credentials to a trustworthy site. At least, known reputable site and you have the intention of using it more often. Because if you will only be an occasional player and will use small amount, think before sending your details. As much as possible, limit where you submit your KYC.

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Quote from: hahay on December 10, 2024, 03:13:22 PM

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Quote from: Z390 on December 10, 2024, 01:32:47 AM

What? Whatever could go wrong using your own KYC

I will tell you what can go wrong, you can send your own identity for verification, and they can be unaccepted for undisclosed reason. Many years ago, I have sent documents to receive tokens, but they were rejected. It was simply written "failed passing KYC". The project gave only one attempt to pass it, and they never explain why and where I have failed. Same thing can happen anywhere and with anyone. User can simply get failed to pass nobody would bother giving any explanation; sometimes they dont even have to explain anything at all. Just fail and bye-bye.

Well, maybe only in that way will gamblers really leave because they have no other way. Because usually, gamblers only have a way to use VPN for restricted areas about gambling, but when a gambling site or platform implements KYC requirements, users who previously used VPN may also be affected. Because after all, when previously they could log in with VPN but because their area has been revealed from the identity obtained, then in the end the related user will be restricted from using the gambling site. But with that, it is at least a reason for us to choose to remain anonymous because by doing so, users will remain comfortable and safe from existing restrictions.

some websites block VPNs but you are correct, sometimes all you have to do is use it
but if a gambler don't intend to KYC they should probably be playing on a different playground than risking a big win not getting paid because they didn't send their documents

better to avoid the issue from the beggining.

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Quote from: tusandii on December 10, 2024, 10:38:16 PM

If you want to do KYC it is important to check the casino you are going to register sometimes casinos are often misused by dishonest users as a place for money laundering and also stealing other people's identities but that is in casinos that are not very well known, if the casino has many users and is guaranteed security then you don't need to worry about sending your personal data, it is also for the good of the user if they win some money they can make withdrawals without any problems and the casino does not suspect you as an active gambling user.

Currently, there are indeed many online casinos that are developing and we must be able to be careful in determining which casinos are indeed trusted casinos so that we can gamble comfortably, determining trusted online casinos and those that cheat seems difficult, I myself experienced this where I once experienced my winnings not being paid, it was annoying and with this experience made me careful when looking for a new online casino that I would visit.
With the many casinos that I found, only a few casinos submitted KYC to their visitors, I think that casinos that submit KYC are the ones that can be trusted because of guaranteed data security.

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I’m always very cautious when it comes to my privacy or someone asking to use my ID to get pass a verification process, regardless of who the person is and regardless of how much you may decide to offer me, I’d still turn it down, I’ve seen multiple situations where people steal or borrow other people’s identity to take up loans or to verify a casino account and use the account to launder money, endangering and risking the identity of an innocent person, I’ve seen it multiple times and it has inspired me to protect my identity with all I’ve got, so no matter who the person is, I wouldn’t release my identity because I see no reason good why anyone would want to use my ID when you can just use yours.

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Quote from: summonerrk on December 10, 2024, 09:01:52 AM

Quote from: tusandii on December 09, 2024, 09:34:48 PM

With so many people gambling, it will be difficult for casinos to check suspicious users one by one, that's why before gambling, you need to do KYC first to find out the user's identity, even though fraudulent gamblers can use other people's identities, but casinos can check every new member who registers and pay attention to how they gamble. If the gambler has indications of cheating, the casino has the right to freeze their funds and provide a statement regarding the gambling they do.

That's true, but for some reason it's often more difficult to pass KYC if you've won a big prize but don't have any verification. Then dubious casinos usually check the gambler's documents very slowly and meticulously. One of my friends advised that before depositing money on a betting platform, it's better to pass KYC in advance. It seems reasonable, but on the other hand, what's the point? After all, if you don't win anything, it turns out that you sent your data for nothing.

If you want to do KYC it is important to check the casino you are going to register sometimes casinos are often misused by dishonest users as a place for money laundering and also stealing other people's identities but that is in casinos that are not very well known, if the casino has many users and is guaranteed security then you don't need to worry about sending your personal data, it is also for the good of the user if they win some money they can make withdrawals without any problems and the casino does not suspect you as an active gambling user.

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Quote from: nara1892 on December 09, 2024, 09:15:18 PM

Yes, but I am sure that there are still some people who do not know about the dangers of giving their personal data documents to others, many of them are easily tempted by money with the scenario of exchanging their personal data for a sum of money which recently also happened in my area, there was a group of people who asked for other people's personal data with the lure of giving a sum of money which if I'm not mistaken was around $ 3, what worries me is that those who get the offer are really enthusiastic in responding to the offer and without thinking twice give their identity to others. Although so far I have not heard of anything unwanted as a result of the scenario but of course it does not mean that it is impossible for them to experience problems in the future and there is also the possibility that the problems that will occur could be much bigger and require a significant amount of money to solve the problem.

In my environment there are many people who gamble online and they will get a balance bonus when they succeed in getting friends or other people to register and gamble at their casino using a referral code, this case is almost the same as the use of personal data because sometimes the person who invites them does it themselves and indirectly knows the personal data of their friends who registered.

None other than those who share their personal data with others of course because they are tempted by the commission, with the pure commission that they will get and not to mention the commission from the first person who borrows their data who will usually offer another commission if they later succeed in winning.

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Quote from: kotajikikox on November 19, 2024, 09:12:58 PM

There are other ways for a casino to ban a gambler but gamblers seem to always find a way which is just a tedious cycle for the casinos. What are your thoughts? Because even if they ban the ip address, gamblers can still use a vpn. Are there other ways that a casino can ban or restrict a gambler for good?

The same way people who get banned on this forum may pretend to be gone but still find their way here, that's just how it is on these casino sites. When they know they have something they benefit from a place, no one would want to let go so easily. Most time s these gamblers may be drawn to the free rewards or spins they enjoy from playing at these casino and thus may not be willing to let go so easily. But to me it's just like adding firee to fire. If these casino eventually find out that it's same individual, the account might be flagged and if some funds were already deposited, it will be lost. So it's best to avoid such case scenario.

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Quote from: tusandii on December 09, 2024, 09:34:48 PM

With so many people gambling, it will be difficult for casinos to check suspicious users one by one, that's why before gambling, you need to do KYC first to find out the user's identity, even though fraudulent gamblers can use other people's identities, but casinos can check every new member who registers and pay attention to how they gamble. If the gambler has indications of cheating, the casino has the right to freeze their funds and provide a statement regarding the gambling they do.

Casino will do the right when they suspect their members has indication of cheating. The casino can check suspicious users one by one because they can monitor all of their members although they need time to check it all of them. But even the casino can do that easily, the cheat gamblers will not stop trying to abuse the system because they want to get the offers as many as they can. But if casino can be strict to those cheat gamblers, they will leave the casino with desperate because they think that they can not cheat the casino anymore.

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Some people is being banned based on the violent the rules and the regulations or the platform because once you fail not to agree with the team and condition the platform most especially casino they will think of that you are looking for a way to manipulate their system and the base on that they will not be comfortable with you any longer so that is one of the reasons they do ban some account and some people do always be greedy of having different account in one particular casino why it is written in their rules and the regulation that no person should have a dual account in their platform so once they have noticed that one person is making use of two account they will stop you not to have access to the account so many persons that experience account ban it is because of their inability to follow the rules and regulation of that particular platform

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Quote from: TopTort777 on December 10, 2024, 04:03:17 AM

Quote from: Z390 on December 10, 2024, 01:32:47 AM

What? Whatever could go wrong using your own KYC

I will tell you what can go wrong, you can send your own identity for verification, and they can be unaccepted for undisclosed reason. Many years ago, I have sent documents to receive tokens, but they were rejected. It was simply written "failed passing KYC". The project gave only one attempt to pass it, and they never explain why and where I have failed. Same thing can happen anywhere and with anyone. User can simply get failed to pass nobody would bother giving any explanation; sometimes they dont even have to explain anything at all. Just fail and bye-bye.

Well, maybe only in that way will gamblers really leave because they have no other way. Because usually, gamblers only have a way to use VPN for restricted areas about gambling, but when a gambling site or platform implements KYC requirements, users who previously used VPN may also be affected. Because after all, when previously they could log in with VPN but because their area has been revealed from the identity obtained, then in the end the related user will be restricted from using the gambling site. But with that, it is at least a reason for us to choose to remain anonymous because by doing so, users will remain comfortable and safe from existing restrictions.

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Quote from: Nwada001 on December 10, 2024, 02:00:28 PM

Quote from: tusandii on December 09, 2024, 09:34:48 PM

With so many people gambling, it will be difficult for casinos to check suspicious users one by one, that's why before gambling, you need to do KYC first to find out the user's identity, even though fraudulent gamblers can use other people's identities, but casinos can check every new member who registers and pay attention to how they gamble. If the gambler has indications of cheating, the casino has the right to freeze their funds and provide a statement regarding the gambling they do.

Sometimes the casino doesn't need to suspect the player of any fraudulent or cheating behaviour before they can conduct an investigation. Any big winning can trigger that, or if the gambler has been banned from their casino before, using the new identity to rejoin the playing pattern in particular games might be suspected, and they will ask for further verification to be sure if their suspicions are correct or not.

Its possible the casino can identify such gambker through their IP address since its assigned to only that user's device, except he changes his device or use a VPN. Sometimes KYC is the only way of determining is its the same person or not else all assumptions are just considered to be mistake. There are lots of user's of their service and and 2 or 3 person could be using the same strategy provided it brings them money. But what I suggest is, if the casino suspects any fraudulent activity by gamblers they should go ahead in freezing the account and ask for verification, but in platform where no KYC is required, I think they'll need more than suspension to freeze accounts of bettors.

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Quote from: tusandii on December 09, 2024, 09:34:48 PM

With so many people gambling, it will be difficult for casinos to check suspicious users one by one, that's why before gambling, you need to do KYC first to find out the user's identity, even though fraudulent gamblers can use other people's identities, but casinos can check every new member who registers and pay attention to how they gamble. If the gambler has indications of cheating, the casino has the right to freeze their funds and provide a statement regarding the gambling they do.

Sometimes the casino doesn't need to suspect the player of any fraudulent or cheating behaviour before they can conduct an investigation. Any big winning can trigger that, or if the gambler has been banned from their casino before, using the new identity to rejoin the playing pattern in particular games might be suspected, and they will ask for further verification to be sure if their suspicions are correct or not.

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Quote from: kotajikikox on November 19, 2024, 09:12:58 PM

There are multitude of reasons why a gambler may be banned in a casino. Whether it is because of suspicious activity or misconduct, the casino doesn't just ban or restrict a gambler for no valid reason.

I like the away you put it from your last statement. the casinos don't just ban a user without any reason, when we are gambling, we are to also pay attention to their ToS, because this will be what will determine the longevity of our stay together with them on the platform, I've seen a situation whereby some gamblers have attempted on cheating on the gambling platform by making several attempts, so those that disobey will definitely receives the consequences to their action as being banned.

that's true, but in the end of the day they make the decisions so if they want to ban an account even without providing a reason they can do it which can be unfair to the users
but I guess this is the risk you have on playing on other people's houses
right?

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Quote from: tusandii on December 09, 2024, 09:34:48 PM

Quote from: ethereumhunter on November 20, 2024, 03:14:34 AM

Gamblers will found a way to keep playing gambling without we can think how they can do that. Casino can still block them by always checking all of their members and find the suspicious thing that their members doing. Maybe the casino can know by identifying the pattern that those gamblers doing so they can ask for more verification to make sure that their members are the same person with their documents. VPN can help gamblers to keep playing gambling on the same casino but if the casino strictly to that, they will know but we don't know how the casino can find the members who break their rules.

With so many people gambling, it will be difficult for casinos to check suspicious users one by one, that's why before gambling, you need to do KYC first to find out the user's identity, even though fraudulent gamblers can use other people's identities, but casinos can check every new member who registers and pay attention to how they gamble. If the gambler has indications of cheating, the casino has the right to freeze their funds and provide a statement regarding the gambling they do.

That's true, but for some reason it's often more difficult to pass KYC if you've won a big prize but don't have any verification. Then dubious casinos usually check the gambler's documents very slowly and meticulously. One of my friends advised that before depositing money on a betting platform, it's better to pass KYC in advance. It seems reasonable, but on the other hand, what's the point? After all, if you don't win anything, it turns out that you sent your data for nothing.

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Quote from: Z390 on December 10, 2024, 01:32:47 AM

What? Whatever could go wrong using your own KYC

I will tell you what can go wrong, you can send your own identity for verification, and they can be unaccepted for undisclosed reason. Many years ago, I have sent documents to receive tokens, but they were rejected. It was simply written "failed passing KYC". The project gave only one attempt to pass it, and they never explain why and where I have failed. Same thing can happen anywhere and with anyone. User can simply get failed to pass nobody would bother giving any explanation; sometimes they dont even have to explain anything at all. Just fail and bye-bye.

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Quote from: Z_MBFM on November 19, 2024, 09:19:58 PM

Quote from: kotajikikox on November 19, 2024, 09:12:58 PM

There are multitude of reasons why a gambler may be banned in a casino. Whether it is because of suspicious activity or misconduct, the casino doesn't just ban or restrict a gambler for no valid reason. But it seems like these restricted gamblers have found a way to still gamble. There is a group of people who would "borrow" the identity of others to continue betting. They would use other people's identification documents such as passports or driver's licenses. They would give it up once the rewards have been collected.

No one want to pass kyc with there own personal documents that's why many re try to use another person documents by browsing or bought from black market. there is no problem still a casino site thik it as subspecies. They run into trouble when a casino site wants to freeze funds and verify documents when someone keeps depositing and withdrawing huge amounts of money. If the documents cannot be fully verified then they are restricted

What? Whatever could go wrong using your own KYC can also happen to the other person that gamblers used to pass KYC, this is just an act of wickedness, is the other person not a human?

I don't believe that every gamblers want to evade KYC verifications because they don't want to drop their identity, some have bad plans in mind, and moreover any online casino in 2024 that still accept ID cards only is a low rate casino, to pass KYC verifications online now has level up, no more drop just ID card and viola you passed.

KYC verifications systems this days ask for real time identity, like holding your first submitted ID card, while some even ask you to write down today's date and hold it in real time, this is because of crazy people stealing identities online.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on November 20, 2024, 03:14:34 AM

Gamblers will found a way to keep playing gambling without we can think how they can do that. Casino can still block them by always checking all of their members and find the suspicious thing that their members doing. Maybe the casino can know by identifying the pattern that those gamblers doing so they can ask for more verification to make sure that their members are the same person with their documents. VPN can help gamblers to keep playing gambling on the same casino but if the casino strictly to that, they will know but we don't know how the casino can find the members who break their rules.

With so many people gambling, it will be difficult for casinos to check suspicious users one by one, that's why before gambling, you need to do KYC first to find out the user's identity, even though fraudulent gamblers can use other people's identities, but casinos can check every new member who registers and pay attention to how they gamble. If the gambler has indications of cheating, the casino has the right to freeze their funds and provide a statement regarding the gambling they do.

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Quote from: junder on December 08, 2024, 01:11:21 AM

Good advice by suggesting him to find someone else to borrow his documents, I myself certainly do not lend documents to just anyone, only to people I trust, as I have said it is indeed quite risky but I do not forget to always consider it first because I myself do not want to experience problems with my personal data.
With what you do when a friend wants to borrow a document to verify and you do not lend it, that is the right action, because that way your documents will be safe, keep it. Maybe I myself will try to refuse my friend who borrows my documents later.

You are right because we must responsible our document and not giving easily because of a nice offers from our friends. True friend will not takes his closest friend and risk him by using his identity just to verify his account in gambling. He will understand the risk so he will not trying to force us to gives our identity to him and he will search for the other ways. You should try that because that is for your safety and stay away from the risk. I am sure you can explain that better to your friends that want to borrow your identity and they will understand your explanation.

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