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Quote from: tread93 on November 21, 2024, 12:05:25 AM

This just goes to show you how truly addictive and how much of a strong hold that gambling can have on any one person. Think about what you're saying? These folks have probably been kicked out to the curb, they have been shamed and thrown out! Yet they still come back and even risk themselves of being a complete identity fraud. Crazy stuff man.

It’s the promise of huge earnings that keep them coming back for more as well.

You might be surprised by to what lengths a person can go to just for money. That is quite literally why we have criminals that exist. The only difference I guess is some of the criminals that steal money they do it because they need the money for survival while those criminals who steal identity to win some money do it just because they want to have fun. Never mind that they could easily lose as well.

Gambling is fun and they will do anything to keep chasing that high of winning all the time. Maybe these are the people who need help.

Some people kill for money, it is definitely the root of all evil one says. I think killing for money would tear one’s soul apart. But you’re right the motives behind the criminal truly pain the pictures of one’s true intentions. These are con artists and they are usually highly versatile and it doesn’t surprise me that they really stop to no end and have thrown all morals out the window.

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Gamblers always find a way, but for how long until the casino finally discovering it and refusing to pay the gambler for his winnings? It's not a smart move to be a cheater. If a gambler was restricted for some reason, he should just accept it and move along to a new casino where is welcome. This way he will prevent a lot of headaches, since he will be playing by the terms of the platform. Therefore, they will have no excuses to deny a withdrawal, for an example.

We have already read many stories from gamblers who complained about an unfair ban or withdrawal denial, but in the end, it was discovered they were breaking the rules through the usage of VPN, multi accounts or fake IDs. It definitely doesn't worth to act like that.

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In my opinion, in such situations, the main source of problems are KYC procedures. It is the mandatory nature of these procedures that leads to individual players resorting to the services of drops (i.e. buying other people's documents).

Moreover, drops are used both in the crypto industry and in gambling. I condemn this practice, since it itself leads to big problems. One evil gives birth to another evil.

Therefore, in my opinion, you should try to avoid situations where you are required to undergo KYC procedures. You should also not use the services of drops.

You also need to protect your own documents and other personal data from theft by intruders.

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There are other ways for a casino to ban a gambler but gamblers seem to always find a way which is just a tedious cycle for the casinos. What are your thoughts? Because even if they ban the ip address, gamblers can still use a vpn. Are there other ways that a casino can ban or restrict a gambler for good?

The casino can only rely on their available tools on how they can trace their cheaters. Cheaters will always find a way, especially if they see flaws in the casino that banned them, which is why in the scam section we see casino representatives posting proofs or testimony that cheaters keep coming back because they see a flaw in the system. its important that casinos do not show how their system works to avoid cheaters studying and finding a flaw in their system.

Yeah right, there’s a lot of way to bypass casino restrictions. A cheater can simply just purchase new phone and sim card to play while KYC using friends or other family member ID that doesn’t have any idea about online casino.

As good as the online technology is, what you narrated is a disadvantage, no one actually knows the true person behind the screen, it is what they claim they are that the casino will agree to especially when they also have documents to back that up whether it's a fake or not.

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Luckily, can observe players betting habits and pattern since they are doing the same strategy that will give them advantage against the casino. Usually they have method to cheat which is why they are caught and associated to an account that previously do the same strategy that result to ban.

I know that the behavioural pattern of a casino will go a long way in detecting them but this is limited to what the account is needed for. If it is an underage who uses a fake profile, the casino will detect nothing since it is a regular account. And if it is to cheat in collecting more bonuses, the casino will still detect nothing if the money in the former account has been lost and he is using the new account. They will find no link but see a regular player.

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Quote from: Marvell1 on November 23, 2024, 08:31:46 AM

Quote from: freedomgo on November 23, 2024, 06:31:13 AM

However, in terms of risk, its not on the casino because as long as the gamblers are losing, they're welcome all the time.

If this is harmless and poses no risk to the casino, then why do casinos always find ways or if they find out players are circumventing the rules, continue to ban them?

I think it depends, as if it is a registered casino and is strictly regulated by law enforcement. They need to be strict about this, they can't just go after small profits and may pay a heavy price if law enforcement finds out they are being lax in managing their users. Casinos also have risks and that is why they are very strict about this although it cannot be completely prevented as players will have many ways to cheat, IMO.

It would be a huge mistake if the casino ignored this, but I’m sure they’re well aware of the risks. That’s why they enforce strict KYC checks before allowing withdrawals—not just because it’s legally required but also to protect their reputation, as it prevents the platform from being misused for illegal transactions.

While they can’t catch everyone, this approach definitely reduces the chances of shady activity. So, for those gamblers who don’t like the KYC process, well, they’re probably the ones most likely to try to cheat the system! Because I see the huge benefits we can get from doing this, not just for the casino but also for us players.

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Quote from: traderethereum on November 23, 2024, 06:16:21 AM

Although the casino can detected that, those gamblers will not stop for trying to do the same thing. Maybe they will try in the other casinos that they don't use before so they think that they will have the chance to pass the blocked.
But the casino smarter than we think because casino have a team that can check and identify those abuse that happen in their place. If they found their members sell their account to other people, they will not tolerate it and will ban the connection from that people.
It is never ending story between the casino and the gamblers so it will still continue. We don't have to be like them and it is better we use gambling for fun only.

Some gamblers do it without the casino finding out, it is only few people that do not use their head when they have already been caught before that they catch again. After buying casino account and they use it under covered without revealing that they are not the owners of the information that was used to complete the kyc, It is when they want to withdraw that they make a mistake by trying to withdraw a large amount instead of withdrawing in smaller values that will not raise attention to their transactions. Nobody is going to ask you to verify your identity when you withdraw $500 to $1000 but when you withdraw amount like $5000 and above, it can get to the attention of the casino or when you withdraw multiple times in a row or in a day.

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Quote from: freedomgo on November 23, 2024, 06:31:13 AM

However, in terms of risk, its not on the casino because as long as the gamblers are losing, they're welcome all the time.

If this is harmless and poses no risk to the casino, then why do casinos always find ways or if they find out players are circumventing the rules, continue to ban them?

I think it depends, as if it is a registered casino and is strictly regulated by law enforcement. They need to be strict about this, they can't just go after small profits and may pay a heavy price if law enforcement finds out they are being lax in managing their users. Casinos also have risks and that is why they are very strict about this although it cannot be completely prevented as players will have many ways to cheat, IMO.

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Quote from: Awaklara on November 23, 2024, 06:11:37 AM

Quote from: eisen33 on November 23, 2024, 06:00:04 AM

By the way, this is prohibited by the rules and if this is detected, the account will simply be blocked. And if we talk about selling an account, then most likely such an account should have a KУC, and I don’t know who could agree to sell an account with their data. I suspect that there are such people, but they simply do not understand all the responsibility that can follow. But perhaps if they are not interested in continuing to play in the future, then they will not care.

in my social media group, I met someone who was selling a casino account, one of the biggest on this forum. surely an account that has KYC and a decent monthly bonus makes a casino account valuable.
The casino clearly prohibits this, if detected by the casino the account will definitely be banned. especially with Casio which initially did not require KYC, after their regulations required KYC, maybe some people have several casino accounts that are operated by themselves.

You mentioned that you met someone who was selling an account at a casino whose account was in the VIP category on the gambling platform. Is that right? Did he tell you himself that he was selling his account? If that gambler is getting benefits from his account at a casino, it means that the benefits he is getting from the gambling casino itself are good.

How much do you think he is selling that account for? And what benefits will the buyer who buys that account get? Is it the VIP?

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Quote from: traderethereum on November 23, 2024, 06:16:21 AM

Although the casino can detected that, those gamblers will not stop for trying to do the same thing. Maybe they will try in the other casinos that they don't use before so they think that they will have the chance to pass the blocked.

You nailed it! Or maybe they stick to the same casino but use a different identity, device, and IP address. These gamblers are clever, they always have a backup plan in case something goes wrong. And these gamblers won't stop as long as there are people that are willing to supply them with the documents they need, because its just like a supply and demand thing.

However, in terms of risk, its not on the casino because as long as the gamblers are losing, they're welcome all the time.

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Quote from: eisen33 on November 23, 2024, 06:00:04 AM

Quote from: Russlenat on November 22, 2024, 09:01:43 AM

Quote from: Wapfika on November 22, 2024, 08:48:34 AM

Usually they have method to cheat which is why they are caught and associated to an account that previously do the same strategy that result to ban.

Cheaters would need to be smart enough to find someone willing to lend their account who isn’t active in gambling. Otherwise, if the person is, they might sell the account to multiple gamblers, and that’s where things get messy, imagine different people using the same identity. Total chaos. Honestly, I hadn’t thought about that kind of risk, lol. But now it’s clear how risky it is to gamble without using your real identity. If the account gets banned, it’s game over, and worse, your funds are frozen. That’s a real gut punch, especially if you’ve got a significant balance stuck in there.

By the way, this is prohibited by the rules and if this is detected, the account will simply be blocked. And if we talk about selling an account, then most likely such an account should have a KУC, and I don’t know who could agree to sell an account with their data. I suspect that there are such people, but they simply do not understand all the responsibility that can follow. But perhaps if they are not interested in continuing to play in the future, then they will not care.

Although the casino can detected that, those gamblers will not stop for trying to do the same thing. Maybe they will try in the other casinos that they don't use before so they think that they will have the chance to pass the blocked.
But the casino smarter than we think because casino have a team that can check and identify those abuse that happen in their place. If they found their members sell their account to other people, they will not tolerate it and will ban the connection from that people.
It is never ending story between the casino and the gamblers so it will still continue. We don't have to be like them and it is better we use gambling for fun only.

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Quote from: eisen33 on November 23, 2024, 06:00:04 AM

By the way, this is prohibited by the rules and if this is detected, the account will simply be blocked. And if we talk about selling an account, then most likely such an account should have a KУC, and I don’t know who could agree to sell an account with their data. I suspect that there are such people, but they simply do not understand all the responsibility that can follow. But perhaps if they are not interested in continuing to play in the future, then they will not care.

in my social media group, I met someone who was selling a casino account, one of the biggest on this forum. surely an account that has KYC and a decent monthly bonus makes a casino account valuable.
The casino clearly prohibits this, if detected by the casino the account will definitely be banned. especially with Casio which initially did not require KYC, after their regulations required KYC, maybe some people have several casino accounts that are operated by themselves.

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Quote from: eisen33 on November 23, 2024, 06:00:04 AM

Quote from: Russlenat on November 22, 2024, 09:01:43 AM

Cheaters would need to be smart enough to find someone willing to lend their account who isn’t active in gambling. Otherwise, if the person is, they might sell the account to multiple gamblers, and that’s where things get messy, imagine different people using the same identity. Total chaos. Honestly, I hadn’t thought about that kind of risk, lol. But now it’s clear how risky it is to gamble without using your real identity. If the account gets banned, it’s game over, and worse, your funds are frozen. That’s a real gut punch, especially if you’ve got a significant balance stuck in there.

By the way, this is prohibited by the rules and if this is detected, the account will simply be blocked. And if we talk about selling an account, then most likely such an account should have a KУC, and I don’t know who could agree to sell an account with their data. I suspect that there are such people, but they simply do not understand all the responsibility that can follow. But perhaps if they are not interested in continuing to play in the future, then they will not care.

They’re fully aware, but this is the route they take to keep gambling. It’s illegal, but either they don’t understand the risks or they’re simply not afraid because they haven’t been caught yet. It’s essentially stealing someone’s identity to use for gambling. However, if they buy the identity, it’s a gray area legally, though it still carries significant risks.

The biggest issue arises when casinos update their KYC requirements. If that happens, the account may no longer pass verification. Regulations aren’t fixed, they change over time, likely because casinos are catching on to schemes like this. It’s a risky game, and eventually, it might catch up with them.

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Quote from: Poker Player on November 19, 2024, 11:54:36 PM

This is a typical example of a thread where no one reads the source behind it.

And look that the article is short, eh? Four short paragraphs.

If someone had read it (apart from the OP) they would see that it's not about addicts, it's more about an organized group that the bookies have banned from playing more (which happens many times to winning bettors in sports betting) and have found a way to bypass the ban to keep making money.

True my friend, you make a good point about the OP context here being missed by some replies, just like most of the topics here where it looks hard for many members to read the whole topic.
It’s also true that the article focuses on an organized group bypassing bans rather than being about addiction specifically. These groups often consist of professional gamblers or sharp bettors who have been restricted for consistently winning. But still the issue of bypassing bans overlaps with the identity misuse which affects everyone not just addicts.
When I was gambling, I didn’t realize how easily someone could misuse such data. Now that I have stepped away, I see how important it is to safe your identity, especially with how cunning some people can be in finding loopholes.

For casinos banning someone because he is too good is tricky for both parts, but I think stronger verification methods like biometric scans or tying accounts to unique personal identifiers could help. At the same time I feel there should be more support for addicts rather than just outright bans.

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Quote from: Russlenat on November 22, 2024, 09:01:43 AM

Quote from: Wapfika on November 22, 2024, 08:48:34 AM

Usually they have method to cheat which is why they are caught and associated to an account that previously do the same strategy that result to ban.

Cheaters would need to be smart enough to find someone willing to lend their account who isn’t active in gambling. Otherwise, if the person is, they might sell the account to multiple gamblers, and that’s where things get messy, imagine different people using the same identity. Total chaos. Honestly, I hadn’t thought about that kind of risk, lol. But now it’s clear how risky it is to gamble without using your real identity. If the account gets banned, it’s game over, and worse, your funds are frozen. That’s a real gut punch, especially if you’ve got a significant balance stuck in there.

By the way, this is prohibited by the rules and if this is detected, the account will simply be blocked. And if we talk about selling an account, then most likely such an account should have a KУC, and I don’t know who could agree to sell an account with their data. I suspect that there are such people, but they simply do not understand all the responsibility that can follow. But perhaps if they are not interested in continuing to play in the future, then they will not care.

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Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on November 23, 2024, 04:34:55 AM

Quote from: pawanjain on November 22, 2024, 11:25:44 AM

Not sure why would anyone will pass their KYC documents to others just for some amount of money.
Passing our personal details can lead us to big trouble if it goes to wrong hands.
Although these gamblers are using other people's identities for gambling, it's morally a wrong thing to do.
There's no way the casino sites can tackle this situation.

As you can imagine, those who accept the money are not exactly multimillionaires. They are usually marginalised, homeless people who will do anything to get a bit of money, and if they are addicted to drugs, they don't even think about it when they are offered money that could mean weeks or months of supply.

True, as you said and I agree with that, most likely those who are willing to give their identity to others in exchange for money are people who are having problems in their financial situation, anything can be done by people who are cornered by financial problems, for them the various possible problems that can arise from such actions are another thing because the most important thing in such a situation is that they can still eat. On the other hand, the goal is good to survive without doing something that is not commendable such as stealing or other criminal acts, but of course selling or renting personal identity is also high risk.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on November 22, 2024, 09:29:40 AM

There's will be a single point of failure, most of cheaters can't survive for long.

Either they forgot to turn on VPN while accessing the casino, they use the same address which they used for their old accounts, they can't fulfill the level 3 KYC etc.

Anything is possible in internet, we could act like different person and no one might notice it. The only way to validate the person is met him in real life, but we know it's impossible in the first place.

Yeah, I agree with that. In my opinion, it's impossible to hide basic information when using the internet. One mistake will get us caught. VPN using is not an automated thing plus there will be instances where someone might use our computer, laptop, or smartphone and that's when a mistake could happen.
I've used VPN for a long time for different purposes and I can say it sometimes sucks when you are using it because of the language issues and it will put you in different directions when using the internet because they see you in a different country.
Then, there will be problem for government agencies access because you are not in using the country's IP. I had my share of problems while using it and I think it should only be used for accessing restricted places. Not a 24/7 kind of thing.

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Quote from: pawanjain on November 22, 2024, 11:25:44 AM

Not sure why would anyone will pass their KYC documents to others just for some amount of money.
Passing our personal details can lead us to big trouble if it goes to wrong hands.
Although these gamblers are using other people's identities for gambling, it's morally a wrong thing to do.
There's no way the casino sites can tackle this situation.

As you can imagine, those who accept the money are not exactly multimillionaires. They are usually marginalised, homeless people who will do anything to get a bit of money, and if they are addicted to drugs, they don't even think about it when they are offered money that could mean weeks or months of supply.

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These kinds of actions are clearly a law offense.
Its not anymore just not following some private terms but its literally a fraud. Of course this must be avoided. I know there are people that can fall for these actions due economic problems but shortcuts are never an answer.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on November 22, 2024, 09:29:40 AM

There's will be a single point of failure, most of cheaters can't survive for long.

Either they forgot to turn on VPN while accessing the casino, they use the same address which they used for their old accounts, they can't fulfill the level 3 KYC etc.

Anything is possible in internet, we could act like different person and no one might notice it. The only way to validate the person is met him in real life, but we know it's impossible in the first place.

There's no way someone is 100% consistent with being careful; eventually they'll forget something, as simple as a VPN. However, is that really an issue? People have found multiple ways to get around the system, and if they've done it once, chances are that they can do it again. In the worst-case scenario, they'll have one more banned account, and they will move to the next one shortly after. I don't believe this is a detering factor to account for. There are always workarounds, even for KYC requirements, something which isn't directly validated when signing up on a cryptocurrency casino.

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In Russia, people who borrow documents for KYC by other people are called "drops". For many people, this can be a short-term income, especially if they do not want to gamble themselves. This is a very common situation. Moreover, people borrow documents not only to pass KYC in gambling, but also, for example, to cash out cryptocurrencies. In general, I can say that casinos can fight IP address substitution, because they have a so–called "anti-fraud system" that collects complex information about the device, not just the IP address.
However, there will still be attempts to circumvent these restrictions, and each time they will be more sophisticated.
Over time, this will lead to the fact that either all bookmakers will become decentralized, or most players will leave for decentralized prediction platforms.

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