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November 29, 2024, 06:14:10 PM
Before a casino website can restrict you not to participate or associate yourself to their platform that might be a a commitment from you because I know quite well that a good casino gambling platform cannot suspend you or banned you no to deposit or gamble with them without a cogent reasons some persons do not follow the rules and the regulations of Casino gambling and that is one of the major reasons why they are restricted secondly that is on something countries that is not allowed or permitted to register in some gambling platforms but the thing is that many people use a VPN to buy caught the platform in other order to make a register that will lead them to involve in such gambling platform, if notice by the team of the gambling platform they will restrict them.
legendary
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November 29, 2024, 04:32:49 PM
In addition to what you have said. Recently we came to see that many banned or restricted gamblers bought already made level up accounts in a casino and we have seen many selling in the forum. Recently I saw one casino account seller in the service board. And because of this thread I went to look for the thread so can make some reference from it but it seen that the thread was deleted. And those accounts they are selling normal gambler will not buy them but those gamblers that have been banned and they want to go back to the casino site to continue their malicious behaviors.
This is why it's important for gamblers to use KYC on their accounts to secure them properly. Cyber scammers and account sellers are constantly looking for vulnerable accounts to hack and exploit for their own profit.

Just like someone said in this trade, whenever any illegal activity is detected on your account, you will be the one in trouble, not them. Therefore, we need to be extremely cautious when sharing our personal information with others, wherever we go, and how we handle our wallets.

Most importantly, when we are gambling, we should not get carried away by the excitement that comes with it, to the point where we are not mindful of how we handle our personal documents. This could allow someone else to access your IDs   and use them for illegal activities.

Because, indeed, banned gamblers will always look for ways to circumvent the system. That's just it. So, you need to take proactive measures from your end to protect your account and avoid being vulnerable to these account sellers and scammers.

but some smaller cassinos are also flagging accounts who perform well, right?
I mean, probably not so common but also happening
that's why it is better to focus on the main casinos

most of them will have KYC nowadays
but we have to remember that KYC is not a magical solution since people can just buy accounts and stuff.
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November 29, 2024, 07:59:39 AM
I don't know how it works, but they really do have such a tool, and I have seen it several times. Therefore, if a casino does not want to let someone onto its site, they will ban the VPN, and the player will not be able to do anything.
Though before most people sell of their documents to outsiders who are using to pass kyc to the gambling site would always tell them to using same location while using their site. What I mean is that, if someone purchase kyc documents from someone in US and he passed the kyc from the gambling site, when login he would always tell the person to use same location instead of logging-in from their country location and he would also enable VPN to suit the previous of accessing the site.
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November 29, 2024, 07:50:19 AM
There are multitude of reasons why a gambler may be banned in a casino. Whether it is because of suspicious activity or misconduct, the casino doesn't just ban or restrict a gambler for no valid reason. But it seems like these restricted gamblers have found a way to still gamble. There is a group of people who would "borrow" the identity of others to continue betting. They would use other people's identification documents such as passports or driver's licenses. They would give it up once the rewards have been collected.

This article warns people about their privacy and is encouraging us to keep our information private as to not be stolen and used by other people for any illicit activities. Some people may allow their identity to be borrowed for a price of money but remember that if one of these restricted gamblers do anything illegal with your identity, it is you who will be in trouble.

There are other ways for a casino to ban a gambler but gamblers seem to always find a way which is just a tedious cycle for the casinos. What are your thoughts? Because even if they ban the ip address, gamblers can still use a vpn. Are there other ways that a casino can ban or restrict a gambler for good?

It seems to me that in physical casinos it is absolutely impossible to get into the casino using someone else's documents, because the people at the entrance are not fools and they understand perfectly well who is in the photo and who is in front of them.
As for online casinos, I want to say that everything is not so simple. Casinos have learned to figure out perfectly what country a person using a VPN is actually from. I don't know how it works, but they really do have such a tool, and I have seen it several times. Therefore, if a casino does not want to let someone onto its site, they will ban the VPN, and the player will not be able to do anything.
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November 29, 2024, 06:35:41 AM
I thought that the documents that you mentioned are borrowed from the owner where the owner does know or have knowledge about the documents being used. After reading more, I finally get the point where the documents are being stolen by a group of people which then they use it for KYC in a casino since they are restricted in the casino that they are gambling.
Sh*ts happen all around now and what you think is legit may not be legit but the casinos will not know, this is one of the issues with the internet, you cannot ascertain the person behind the screen but assume them for what they claim they are. As for the casinos, they are exonerated by law because they are not privy to that act which is the main reason why they offer the KYC, it is not for them to actually inconvenience anyone but to obey the law of their jurisdiction. And this is why I'm not too fond of the idea of people buying verified accounts online, who knows the evil they've perpetrated to open the account and get it verified?
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November 29, 2024, 04:59:51 AM
They can’t claim they’re unaware of the risks as "ignorance of the law excuses no one". You simply can’t hand over your documents to someone under your account if you’re not the one using it, no matter how tempting the reward might seem. That’s a hard pass for anyone who values their safety and accountability.

Hopefully, desperation for quick cash doesn’t cloud their judgment. The benefits might look good at first, but the risks are far too great to ignore. It’s always better to stay cautious especially that gambling platforms are also reported to be use for money laundering. It's hard to be implicated in illegal activities you don't do.
Illiteracy and ignorance are big diseases that can make someone do this because they are not aware of the consequences. All that matters to them is what they see in front of them.

The gambler or the person making use of the document might not explain in detail the truth of what might happen if it's being used for illegal activities. I know of a story not related to this one, but the person was penalised for what he knew nothing about, but illetracy allowed him to be accused wrongly, and he admitted to what he didn't know.
When someone are in need in money, they will not care about how if they breaks the law and will still try to get the chance. They already desperate with the situation that they have so they will not think twice to let that chance go away.

All things can be done by gamblers who want to keep playing gambling in that casino including search for other people document and verify using that way. They can ask that people to use the account and verify it so that gambler can use it to play gambling.
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November 28, 2024, 10:34:23 PM
it's a free world
in a free world you should have the possibility to spend all your money, get addicted to things and ruin your family
now, is it the free world we want?
I'm not so sure

but money is a really strong force after all
Don't let the free world destroy our lives and even though money is a very powerful force that can influence people, we must have control so that unwanted things don't happen. Addiction can cause problems for anyone, especially if we are unable to control ourselves to spend money on gambling, while other people have much better control and they will try to spend money according to their ability. If we realize that Casinos do not limit someone from getting involved in gambling, then we ourselves should be able to control it, otherwise we will be faced with problems in managing the financial management that will be spent on gambling.
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November 28, 2024, 04:37:13 PM
They can’t claim they’re unaware of the risks as "ignorance of the law excuses no one". You simply can’t hand over your documents to someone under your account if you’re not the one using it, no matter how tempting the reward might seem. That’s a hard pass for anyone who values their safety and accountability.

Hopefully, desperation for quick cash doesn’t cloud their judgment. The benefits might look good at first, but the risks are far too great to ignore. It’s always better to stay cautious especially that gambling platforms are also reported to be use for money laundering. It's hard to be implicated in illegal activities you don't do.
Illiteracy and ignorance are big diseases that can make someone do this because they are not aware of the consequences. All that matters to them is what they see in front of them.

The gambler or the person making use of the document might not explain in detail the truth of what might happen if it's being used for illegal activities. I know of a story not related to this one, but the person was penalised for what he knew nothing about, but illetracy allowed him to be accused wrongly, and he admitted to what he didn't know.
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November 28, 2024, 02:59:27 PM
In addition to what you have said. Recently we came to see that many banned or restricted gamblers bought already made level up accounts in a casino and we have seen many selling in the forum. Recently I saw one casino account seller in the service board. And because of this thread I went to look for the thread so can make some reference from it but it seen that the thread was deleted. And those accounts they are selling normal gambler will not buy them but those gamblers that have been banned and they want to go back to the casino site to continue their malicious behaviors.
This is why it's important for gamblers to use KYC on their accounts to secure them properly. Cyber scammers and account sellers are constantly looking for vulnerable accounts to hack and exploit for their own profit.
You know what, many people and not only gamblers do not like KYC because they are afraid that the company will reveal their documents/information to third party for attack. And it is possible. And they believed in personal privacy. And that is why they used decentralized system of interaction and transaction. Since those casinos are centralized which has license with the government, and if the government find out that the gambler has an account with casino, then they can force the company to reveal the identity of the person. In everything there is an advantage and disadvantage. KYC is good and KYC in the the crypto market is bad. Mostly I don't like KYC in exchange but it is the easiest way to sell.
There's always those pros and cons when it comes to KYC but com in mind on why crypto gambling had become that popular just because of having that anonymity feature on which we have been that preferring into this one, until the time that these platforms or companies are starting up to ask verifications before you could be able to make withdrawal which kinda sucks. One of the main things that comes up into our minds on the moment that KYC is really that being asked is having into those possible leaked informations on which this is really something that we do mainly not that liking, thats why as much as possible we would really be trying out to deal up into things on which we know that we do really that able to prefer and trying out avoid on which we dont really like after all.
legendary
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November 28, 2024, 09:47:24 AM
In addition to what you have said. Recently we came to see that many banned or restricted gamblers bought already made level up accounts in a casino and we have seen many selling in the forum. Recently I saw one casino account seller in the service board. And because of this thread I went to look for the thread so can make some reference from it but it seen that the thread was deleted. And those accounts they are selling normal gambler will not buy them but those gamblers that have been banned and they want to go back to the casino site to continue their malicious behaviors.
This is why it's important for gamblers to use KYC on their accounts to secure them properly. Cyber scammers and account sellers are constantly looking for vulnerable accounts to hack and exploit for their own profit.
You know what, many people and not only gamblers do not like KYC because they are afraid that the company will reveal their documents/information to third party for attack. And it is possible. And they believed in personal privacy. And that is why they used decentralized system of interaction and transaction. Since those casinos are centralized which has license with the government, and if the government find out that the gambler has an account with casino, then they can force the company to reveal the identity of the person. In everything there is an advantage and disadvantage. KYC is good and KYC in the the crypto market is bad. Mostly I don't like KYC in exchange but it is the easiest way to sell.
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November 28, 2024, 09:31:24 AM
In addition to what you have said. Recently we came to see that many banned or restricted gamblers bought already made level up accounts in a casino and we have seen many selling in the forum. Recently I saw one casino account seller in the service board. And because of this thread I went to look for the thread so can make some reference from it but it seen that the thread was deleted. And those accounts they are selling normal gambler will not buy them but those gamblers that have been banned and they want to go back to the casino site to continue their malicious behaviors.
This is why it's important for gamblers to use KYC on their accounts to secure them properly. Cyber scammers and account sellers are constantly looking for vulnerable accounts to hack and exploit for their own profit.

Just like someone said in this trade, whenever any illegal activity is detected on your account, you will be the one in trouble, not them. Therefore, we need to be extremely cautious when sharing our personal information with others, wherever we go, and how we handle our wallets.

Most importantly, when we are gambling, we should not get carried away by the excitement that comes with it, to the point where we are not mindful of how we handle our personal documents. This could allow someone else to access your IDs   and use them for illegal activities.

Because, indeed, banned gamblers will always look for ways to circumvent the system. That's just it. So, you need to take proactive measures from your end to protect your account and avoid being vulnerable to these account sellers and scammers.
legendary
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November 28, 2024, 09:17:47 AM
Well with money a person's attitude and behavior can change, money changes everything but not for people who are able to maintain their common sense, I agree with you that something evil happens because of opportunity and not always about intention, on the other hand your words make a little sense that basically casinos will not be able to completely limit gamblers because after all only gamblers can make casinos continue to make a profit, so maybe the restrictions will not be maximized too much, like the discussion at the beginning that everything is possible for money or profit, that also applies to casinos.
Casinos will certainly not limit gamblers from getting involved in it because it is not in line with the business development they are trying to do on the platform. A person can only stop gambling when there is an intention to stop, the rest is no more reasonable way. Casinos also never force us to get involved in gambling and instead we ourselves come and try to bet on their site. If people think about money completely when involved in gambling then they will be very difficult to stop and generally addicted gamblers think they can make money consistently in betting but what happens is the opposite.

it's a free world
in a free world you should have the possibility to spend all your money, get addicted to things and ruin your family
now, is it the free world we want?
I'm not so sure

but money is a really strong force after all
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November 28, 2024, 08:18:21 AM
Well with money a person's attitude and behavior can change, money changes everything but not for people who are able to maintain their common sense, I agree with you that something evil happens because of opportunity and not always about intention, on the other hand your words make a little sense that basically casinos will not be able to completely limit gamblers because after all only gamblers can make casinos continue to make a profit, so maybe the restrictions will not be maximized too much, like the discussion at the beginning that everything is possible for money or profit, that also applies to casinos.
Casinos will certainly not limit gamblers from getting involved in it because it is not in line with the business development they are trying to do on the platform. A person can only stop gambling when there is an intention to stop, the rest is no more reasonable way. Casinos also never force us to get involved in gambling and instead we ourselves come and try to bet on their site. If people think about money completely when involved in gambling then they will be very difficult to stop and generally addicted gamblers think they can make money consistently in betting but what happens is the opposite.
legendary
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November 26, 2024, 03:44:21 PM
so. how can we become the house?
do you always need lots of money to be the house?
seems like these are some of the questions we should be asking instead of "in which team should I bet next?" or "how much to deposit now after I lost all my money again?"

Not sure if I woudl say this, but If you have spent time gambling in casinos, you probably already know who “the house” is. But just to clarify (and assuming you’re not being sarcastic), the house refers to the casino. They have the house edge which means the odds are stacked in their favor mathematically over the long run. That’s why most gamblers lose in the end.

It doesn’t matter how much you deposit, you can’t just go all in chasing your losses because the house has limits on how much you can bet. It’s a system designed to keep them on top, no matter what.

I know who the house is and that the house always wins and all
what I'm asking is how we normal everyday folks can open an online casino and become the house ourselves
is it possible?
how much upfront capital would we need?
do we need to get VCs and formal investment?
do you think there's still space for growth in this market?
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November 25, 2024, 06:19:10 AM
In my opinion, it's impossible to hide basic information when using the internet. One mistake will get us caught. VPN using is not an automated thing plus there will be instances where someone might use our computer, laptop, or smartphone and that's when a mistake could happen.
I've used VPN for a long time for different purposes and I can say it sometimes sucks when you are using it because of the language issues and it will put you in different directions when using the internet because they see you in a different country.
Then, there will be problem for government agencies access because you are not in using the country's IP. I had my share of problems while using it and I think it should only be used for accessing restricted places. Not a 24/7 kind of thing.
If it's only a basic information then actually it is only easy to hide it but since they are only basic a lot of people won't bother too much about them. There are still platforms that can only care less or has less security, so one mistake might still not enough for us to get caught out but we need to be careful next time if we are only doing this because of privacy concerns and not because we are a criminal that is planning to do a crime. Indeed that basically VPN's are manual but if we have a talent on coding it might be possible for us to automate it. If we don't have a talent but we have a budget we can as well hire some coders to do it for us.

As for those unattended devices and then someone uses them there are still passwords that can protect our devices and not all who use our devices has a good technical knowledge to mess up with our thing. Difference in language is only normal in VPN. It happens because we are like changing our locations in order to bypass a restriction or simply hide ourselves from someone or something.

Besides, there is still a translation that we can use if we don't understand the language that is written in our screens. Some VPN's allows us to choose a country and we can actually select our country and still gain access to local sites like government agencies as you said there for example if our goal is only to change our current IP addresses. Some VPN's can also be used to have a free internet access, so it is actually possible to use them 24/7.
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November 24, 2024, 04:43:15 PM
It's always the documents owner who will be held responsible since it's his/her own documents and the other party is only using it so there's nothing that the owner can do about being blame or forced to be responsible of something. That's one of the reason why people should always keep their privacy secured seriously. Well, casinos may find another way to determine if it's really you that is using the account although I am not sure on how they will do that.
They can’t claim they’re unaware of the risks as "ignorance of the law excuses no one". You simply can’t hand over your documents to someone under your account if you’re not the one using it, no matter how tempting the reward might seem. That’s a hard pass for anyone who values their safety and accountability.

Hopefully, desperation for quick cash doesn’t cloud their judgment. The benefits might look good at first, but the risks are far too great to ignore. It’s always better to stay cautious especially that gambling platforms are also reported to be use for money laundering. It's hard to be implicated in illegal activities you don't do.
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November 24, 2024, 04:41:39 PM
It lies now on the casino how good they are to detect the authenticity of the submitted kyc docs. Because one way not to escape from the ban is really thru submission of kyc docs, especially if the casino is a licensed one. We don't know what kind of technology they are using to determine the acceptability of your docs. But in case you will use somebody else's credentials, you are putting yourself at risk as the site can ask further details of your credentials.
Unless the casino requests further information about the gambler in the future, if not the type of information they ask for for verification, it is what anyone who wants to bypass them can easily buy from anyone unless there is a part of verification where they will ask for facial verification, which can't be manipulated (but I don't know how enhanced AIs are now); if not, that's the only form of verification.
 
I know that most platforms are used to catch identity theft, but if such occurs and the gambler got the ID document from someone close, they can always ask them to help verify that; it depends on the situation, but even so, it's still a very risky process, as the gambler can end up losing everything if they are caught.
legendary
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November 24, 2024, 04:39:53 PM
In addition to what you have said. Recently we came to see that many banned or restricted gamblers bought already made level up accounts in a casino and we have seen many selling in the forum. Recently I saw one casino account seller in the service board. And because of this thread I went to look for the thread so can make some reference from it but it seen that the thread was deleted. And those accounts they are selling normal gambler will not buy them but those gamblers that have been banned and they want to go back to the casino site to continue their malicious behaviors.
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November 24, 2024, 04:36:56 PM

Sometimes they don't just buy the documents from those who steal them to sell; some times they meet the real owners of the document to sell it to them, and they will state the main purpose of why they are using it.

One good reason that some people can do this is either they might have cheated one casino before, which made the casino ban them from playing on their platform, or they are not eligible to play due to the age limit, or the country or residence is not permitted to play in that casino. Whichever is the case, such an action will always have a repercussion, and the owner of the document for anything serious being done with it will be held responsible.
It's always the documents owner who will be held responsible since it's his/her own documents and the other party is only using it so there's nothing that the owner can do about being blame or forced to be responsible of something. That's one of the reason why people should always keep their privacy secured seriously. Well, casinos may find another way to determine if it's really you that is using the account although I am not sure on how they will do that.
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November 24, 2024, 04:35:33 PM
I thought that the documents that you mentioned are borrowed from the owner where the owner does know or have knowledge about the documents being used. After reading more, I finally get the point where the documents are being stolen by a group of people which then they use it for KYC in a casino since they are restricted in the casino that they are gambling. If I am wrong then my que is, why wouldn't they share their documents for KYC?. There's a chance that they may use for something illegal.
Sometimes they don't just buy the documents from those who steal them to sell; some times they meet the real owners of the document to sell it to them, and they will state the main purpose of why they are using it.

One good reason that some people can do this is either they might have cheated one casino before, which made the casino ban them from playing on their platform, or they are not eligible to play due to the age limit, or the country or residence is not permitted to play in that casino. Whichever is the case, such an action will always have a repercussion, and the owner of the document for anything serious being done with it will be held responsible.

It lies now on the casino how good they are to detect the authenticity of the submitted kyc docs. Because one way not to escape from the ban is really thru submission of kyc docs, especially if the casino is a licensed one. We don't know what kind of technology they are using to determine the acceptability of your docs. But in case you will use somebody else's credentials, you are putting yourself at risk as the site can ask further details of your credentials. This is what you need to prepare in case you will use fake credentials, and if you have significant amount deposited, then the likelihood to freeze or suspend your account is quite high.
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